[PADA: We are not exactly sure what the dispute is between Jaipur HKC and Akshaya Patra. What we do know for sure is -- the Jaipur HKC folks are citing the Jayapataka / Gopal Krishna / Radhanath court case as their authority. Oh great, the captain's of the bogus messiah's program are our source of info?
Sorry, none of the Prabhupadanugas accept such people as our authority. Then -- they said that Madhu Pandit das objects to Gauridas Pandit das, ok another clear mis-representation. Gauridas Pandit wrote a nice letter explaining that he is cooperating with Madhu Pandit Dasa, which is what we said all along. Unfortunately, as Madhu Pandit das has to explain below, some of the HKC folks are also citing more and more misconceptions being spread by the bogus guru -- as their authority. Perhaps that is the real root of this dispute?
Meanwhile the entire Prahlad / Janardan / etc al. group says that we are bogus because we do not accept the fact that the entire world, and ISKCON, is run by the NWO / CIA / Draco Constellation serpent demons / Illuminati / corporation worshiping / JEWISH BANKERS. Of course as soon as PADA says we should object to this Illuminati controlled corporation, especially because its a corrupt corporation, then the Prahlad / Janardan group are the first in line to say we are ruining their NWO / Illuminati controlled / Jewish bankers etc. owned CORPORATION, and in sum they complain we "destroying (corporate) ISKCON." So they are saying -- they are number one at defending corrupt corporations managed by the Illuminati.
Notice what they are saying!
(A) ISKCON is run by the Illumintati, the New World Order demons (the NWO), the Draco demons, the Jewish Bankers etc.
(B) SIMULTANEOUSLY they say -- ISKCON is "the pure golden body of Srila Prabhupada" which should not be criticized, and PADA is wrong to do that, because -- they worship corrupt institutions -- like the Illuminati does?
(C) They are giving contrary demands, which could not be followed by anyone, because their demands are mutually exclusive. Then they wonder why they get into conflicts with others? Because to start with, they are at war with themselves, they never even figured out what their position is in the first place.
Forsooth! PADA is ruining our wonderful (Illuminati controlled) ISKCON corporation! OK, they worship the deviant elite who run corrupt corporations, hey just like the Illuminati does. No wonder there is a dispute, they are citing the court case of (what they say is) the NWO's / Draco Constellation demon's / Illuminati's devotees as their authority. Sorry pal, we do not worship your Illuminati corporations. When will they EVER get this? I have to go take my percodans now, sheesh! ys pd]
[PADA NOTE: Yes, we saw that the followers of Radhanath are promoting the JFT folks writings, yep, they are helping the GBC guys, you got it. ys pd]
======================
From: Mahesh Raja <mahesh_agtsp@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Fw: http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Subject: Re: http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Prabhu, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obiesances. Hare Krsna!
I thank-you very much for your quick reply. Please post the comments from mpd on the website. This email is also going to Mpd so he can read your comments and reply you on the disagreements at Jaipur Dayalu Nitai Prabhu and the HKC Jaipur devotees. I really do not know what the situation is between them - apart from some few internet exchanges. I have somewhat busy lifestyle so do not much keep in touch with others that often--and only thru email when time allows.
What you say is a FACT that Srila Prabhupada wants us all to cooperate. So I can NOT ignore Srila Prabhupada wishes on this. So this is what I personally want to do with all the Prabhupadanugas. Although sometimes it is very very difficult because of differences - I still keep trying because of this statements:
76-01-05. Letter: Satsvarupa
Everything should be done co-operatively. "Our" and "your's" are material conceptions and have no place in our Krishna Consciousness movement. If the members of our movement are unable to co-operate it will be very difficult to spread the mission of Lord Caitanya.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION
THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
Hope that all the issues will resolved among both sides by keeping Prabhupada focused on the matter.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
===============================
From: "info@prabhupadanugas.eu" <info@prabhupadanugas.eu>
To: Mahesh Raja <mahesh_agtsp@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, 25 May 2014, 12:11
Subject: Re: http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Hare Krishna dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Of course Madhu Pandit Prabhu or his communication staff is welcome to post comments on our website directly, or send them via e-mail to info@prabhupadanugas.eu for publishing. But no problem if you are sending it, Prabhu :) So do you want me to post this as comment by Madhu Pandit Prabhu? Please
clarify your wishes.
We at prabhupadanugas.eu are trying to keep our focus on Srila Prabhupada's instructions and not to be partial, as good as possible. But we also feel obliged to the truth. Please allow me some "personal notes" in this case: It is well known that prabhupadanugas.eu always appreciated Iskcon Bangalore and Madhu Pandit's work for Srila Prabhupada and promoted him for several years. But trust needs to be earned, and faith needs to be revived constantly.
If you are in direct contact with Madhu Pandit Prabhu, then please kindly ask him why he isn't able to communicate directly with Dayalu Nitai Prabhu and the HKC Jaipur devotees about their issue with Akshaya Patra Jaipur, and getting this problem finally solved, maybe in an Istagosthi as soon as possible? So many devotees are asking me the same.
I understand that Madhu Pandit Prabhu is a very busy devotee with brimful schedule, but his continued silence about this issue, or the silence by his communication department, makes the things even worse, in
my humble opinion. It would be so easy and fast for Madhu Pandit Prabhu to at least give a word of command to Akshaya Patra Jaipur, to stop the harrassments against HKC, if an Istagosthi meeting needs some more time by his side.
These devotees from Iskcon Bangalore, Hare Krishna Community Jaipur and Akshaya Patra Jaipur should be always able to openly communicate with each other. Apparently this "cold war" is going on for about five years now - unbelievable. It needs to get solved now as soon as possible.
If Madhu Pandit Prabhu and Dayalu Nitai Prabhu can solve this issue for mutual satisfaction, the Prabhupadanuga society well be also satisfied very much. And then we can join forces again to struggle against our real problems, because we only should have the common goal to only serve Srila Prabhupada as good as possible.
Hare Krishna
Your servant
webmaster prabhupadanugas.eu
Am 25.05.2014 11:19, schrieb Mahesh Raja:
Ram Bhakta Das :
>> In Para 70 the High Court has explained as follows : "Further, Madhupandit Das, his wife Bhakti Lata Devi Dasi, his co-brother Chanchalapati Das, his wife’s sister Chamari Devi Dasi and other close associates cooked up reports specifying the names of these persons as elected office bearers of plaintiff society and filed the same in the office of Registrar of Societies for the first time on 21.08.2001 for the entire period of 12 years from 1989 to 2001. As already stated these reports are cooked up for the purpose of giving life to the defunct plaintiff society."
Here is Reply from Madhupandit:
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Madhu Pandit Dasa<mpd@iskconbangalore.org>
To: Mahesh Raja
Subject: RE:http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Please correct them that it is a big fat lie that the Bangalore Property is owned by a trust owned by MPP’s family members. The property belongs to ISKCON Society registered in Bangalore in the year 1978, much before even I joined ISKCON. But ISKCON Society at Bangalore is legally separate from ISKCON Society registered in Bombay. The dispute is whether we are a branch of Bombay Society or ISKCON Bangalore is an independent society holding and managing the properties allotted to it by the government through its own governing body consisting of 10 members elected out of 23 temple presidents. So where is the family issue? It is just false propaganda by the gurus. Ys mpd
===========================================
Mahesh Raja says:
Mahesh: We all know that there is a BIG issue in terms of Prabhupadanugas in Jaipur because there are at least 3 temples fighting for a SMALL percentage of donors. And each one wants to say they are the best. So naturally there has been tension between them—and they speak against one another. Some one says Madhu Pandit is this another say something diffferent etc etc etc.
2) It is also A FACT in India High court Judges are BRIBED to give Judgements. HOW MUCH DID BOMBAY WALAS (ANTI RITVIK GOONS) PAY THE HIGH COURT JUDGE? Let is not forget the stake is HUGE Bangalore Temple.
Just look at the ANTI RITVIK goons history for MONEY SCREWING IN ISKCON. They want TO SCREW MONEY AT ALL LEVELS:
Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
3) Ram Bhakta Das: “Now this high court order has been challenged by MPP in the Supreme Court where the decision is awaiting.”
So let us ALL see what SUPREME COURT decides. For Madhu Pandit to take it up to the SUPREME COURT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING THAT HE HAS WHICH IS WORTH FOR THE JUDGE TO HEAR. Otherwise WHY would he go to the limit of SUPREME COURT?
To come back to the ORIGIN we want to see the ALL the temples in the hands of PRABHUPADANUGAS and NOT some bunch of ANTI RITVIK GOONS.
Sorry, none of the Prabhupadanugas accept such people as our authority. Then -- they said that Madhu Pandit das objects to Gauridas Pandit das, ok another clear mis-representation. Gauridas Pandit wrote a nice letter explaining that he is cooperating with Madhu Pandit Dasa, which is what we said all along. Unfortunately, as Madhu Pandit das has to explain below, some of the HKC folks are also citing more and more misconceptions being spread by the bogus guru -- as their authority. Perhaps that is the real root of this dispute?
Meanwhile the entire Prahlad / Janardan / etc al. group says that we are bogus because we do not accept the fact that the entire world, and ISKCON, is run by the NWO / CIA / Draco Constellation serpent demons / Illuminati / corporation worshiping / JEWISH BANKERS. Of course as soon as PADA says we should object to this Illuminati controlled corporation, especially because its a corrupt corporation, then the Prahlad / Janardan group are the first in line to say we are ruining their NWO / Illuminati controlled / Jewish bankers etc. owned CORPORATION, and in sum they complain we "destroying (corporate) ISKCON." So they are saying -- they are number one at defending corrupt corporations managed by the Illuminati.
Notice what they are saying!
(A) ISKCON is run by the Illumintati, the New World Order demons (the NWO), the Draco demons, the Jewish Bankers etc.
(B) SIMULTANEOUSLY they say -- ISKCON is "the pure golden body of Srila Prabhupada" which should not be criticized, and PADA is wrong to do that, because -- they worship corrupt institutions -- like the Illuminati does?
(C) They are giving contrary demands, which could not be followed by anyone, because their demands are mutually exclusive. Then they wonder why they get into conflicts with others? Because to start with, they are at war with themselves, they never even figured out what their position is in the first place.
Forsooth! PADA is ruining our wonderful (Illuminati controlled) ISKCON corporation! OK, they worship the deviant elite who run corrupt corporations, hey just like the Illuminati does. No wonder there is a dispute, they are citing the court case of (what they say is) the NWO's / Draco Constellation demon's / Illuminati's devotees as their authority. Sorry pal, we do not worship your Illuminati corporations. When will they EVER get this? I have to go take my percodans now, sheesh! ys pd]
[PADA NOTE: Yes, we saw that the followers of Radhanath are promoting the JFT folks writings, yep, they are helping the GBC guys, you got it. ys pd]
======================
From: Mahesh Raja <mahesh_agtsp@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Fw: http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Subject: Re: http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Prabhu, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obiesances. Hare Krsna!
I thank-you very much for your quick reply. Please post the comments from mpd on the website. This email is also going to Mpd so he can read your comments and reply you on the disagreements at Jaipur Dayalu Nitai Prabhu and the HKC Jaipur devotees. I really do not know what the situation is between them - apart from some few internet exchanges. I have somewhat busy lifestyle so do not much keep in touch with others that often--and only thru email when time allows.
What you say is a FACT that Srila Prabhupada wants us all to cooperate. So I can NOT ignore Srila Prabhupada wishes on this. So this is what I personally want to do with all the Prabhupadanugas. Although sometimes it is very very difficult because of differences - I still keep trying because of this statements:
76-01-05. Letter: Satsvarupa
Everything should be done co-operatively. "Our" and "your's" are material conceptions and have no place in our Krishna Consciousness movement. If the members of our movement are unable to co-operate it will be very difficult to spread the mission of Lord Caitanya.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION
THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
Hope that all the issues will resolved among both sides by keeping Prabhupada focused on the matter.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
===============================
From: "info@prabhupadanugas.eu" <info@prabhupadanugas.eu>
To: Mahesh Raja <mahesh_agtsp@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, 25 May 2014, 12:11
Subject: Re: http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Hare Krishna dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Of course Madhu Pandit Prabhu or his communication staff is welcome to post comments on our website directly, or send them via e-mail to info@prabhupadanugas.eu for publishing. But no problem if you are sending it, Prabhu :) So do you want me to post this as comment by Madhu Pandit Prabhu? Please
clarify your wishes.
We at prabhupadanugas.eu are trying to keep our focus on Srila Prabhupada's instructions and not to be partial, as good as possible. But we also feel obliged to the truth. Please allow me some "personal notes" in this case: It is well known that prabhupadanugas.eu always appreciated Iskcon Bangalore and Madhu Pandit's work for Srila Prabhupada and promoted him for several years. But trust needs to be earned, and faith needs to be revived constantly.
If you are in direct contact with Madhu Pandit Prabhu, then please kindly ask him why he isn't able to communicate directly with Dayalu Nitai Prabhu and the HKC Jaipur devotees about their issue with Akshaya Patra Jaipur, and getting this problem finally solved, maybe in an Istagosthi as soon as possible? So many devotees are asking me the same.
I understand that Madhu Pandit Prabhu is a very busy devotee with brimful schedule, but his continued silence about this issue, or the silence by his communication department, makes the things even worse, in
my humble opinion. It would be so easy and fast for Madhu Pandit Prabhu to at least give a word of command to Akshaya Patra Jaipur, to stop the harrassments against HKC, if an Istagosthi meeting needs some more time by his side.
These devotees from Iskcon Bangalore, Hare Krishna Community Jaipur and Akshaya Patra Jaipur should be always able to openly communicate with each other. Apparently this "cold war" is going on for about five years now - unbelievable. It needs to get solved now as soon as possible.
If Madhu Pandit Prabhu and Dayalu Nitai Prabhu can solve this issue for mutual satisfaction, the Prabhupadanuga society well be also satisfied very much. And then we can join forces again to struggle against our real problems, because we only should have the common goal to only serve Srila Prabhupada as good as possible.
Hare Krishna
Your servant
webmaster prabhupadanugas.eu
Am 25.05.2014 11:19, schrieb Mahesh Raja:
Ram Bhakta Das :
>> In Para 70 the High Court has explained as follows : "Further, Madhupandit Das, his wife Bhakti Lata Devi Dasi, his co-brother Chanchalapati Das, his wife’s sister Chamari Devi Dasi and other close associates cooked up reports specifying the names of these persons as elected office bearers of plaintiff society and filed the same in the office of Registrar of Societies for the first time on 21.08.2001 for the entire period of 12 years from 1989 to 2001. As already stated these reports are cooked up for the purpose of giving life to the defunct plaintiff society."
Here is Reply from Madhupandit:
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Madhu Pandit Dasa<mpd@iskconbangalore.org>
To: Mahesh Raja
Subject: RE:http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#comment-26533
Please correct them that it is a big fat lie that the Bangalore Property is owned by a trust owned by MPP’s family members. The property belongs to ISKCON Society registered in Bangalore in the year 1978, much before even I joined ISKCON. But ISKCON Society at Bangalore is legally separate from ISKCON Society registered in Bombay. The dispute is whether we are a branch of Bombay Society or ISKCON Bangalore is an independent society holding and managing the properties allotted to it by the government through its own governing body consisting of 10 members elected out of 23 temple presidents. So where is the family issue? It is just false propaganda by the gurus. Ys mpd
===========================================
Mahesh Raja says:
Ram Bhakta Das: Bangalore property belongs to a trust owned by MPP’s family members and not the branch of Iskcon. Now this high court order has been challenged by MPP in the Supreme court where the decision is awaiting.
Mahesh: We all know that there is a BIG issue in terms of Prabhupadanugas in Jaipur because there are at least 3 temples fighting for a SMALL percentage of donors. And each one wants to say they are the best. So naturally there has been tension between them—and they speak against one another. Some one says Madhu Pandit is this another say something diffferent etc etc etc.
The issue IS: Is Madhu Pandit PRO Ritvik or ANTI Ritvik? And is he going to PUT UP the FIGHT FOR RITVIK CAUSE to the END to fight the ANTI RITVIK GOONS? THAT is the ISSUE here.
1) What “branch of Iskcon” would that be? The BOMBAY (Anti Srila Prabhupada as Diksa Guru) Anti Ritvik bunch of CROOKS? And why would he want to just give them on a plate what they have worked hard for all the years to some ANTI RITVIK CROOKS? These goons have sided AGAINST SRILA PRABHUPADA AS OUR DIKSA GURU so WHY give them ANYTHING?
2) It is also A FACT in India High court Judges are BRIBED to give Judgements. HOW MUCH DID BOMBAY WALAS (ANTI RITVIK GOONS) PAY THE HIGH COURT JUDGE? Let is not forget the stake is HUGE Bangalore Temple.
Just look at the ANTI RITVIK goons history for MONEY SCREWING IN ISKCON. They want TO SCREW MONEY AT ALL LEVELS:
Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
3) Ram Bhakta Das: “Now this high court order has been challenged by MPP in the Supreme Court where the decision is awaiting.”
So let us ALL see what SUPREME COURT decides. For Madhu Pandit to take it up to the SUPREME COURT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING THAT HE HAS WHICH IS WORTH FOR THE JUDGE TO HEAR. Otherwise WHY would he go to the limit of SUPREME COURT?
To come back to the ORIGIN we want to see the ALL the temples in the hands of PRABHUPADANUGAS and NOT some bunch of ANTI RITVIK GOONS.
No comments:
Post a Comment
Note: Only a member of this blog may post a comment.