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[PADA: Sulochana das was assassinated on May 22, 1986 in the early AM, which was just the night after the appearance of Lord Narasimghadeva. The goonda's idea was -- that they wanted it to appear he was going to be killed by Narasimghadeva Himself. Some of the "hit men" involved have subsequently become friends with PADA and the have apologized profusely for their role in all this, but they confirmed they were operating under the authority of some of the leaders at the time.
The last time we saw Sulochana das was in Berkeley right in front of the temple, merely a few days before he was assassinated. He said, "I may never see you again." He knew his time was up, they were after him. I tried to convince him to stay in Berkeley because we had allies with the police -- like Joe Sanchez -- but he said, "if we stay together, they will get (kill) both of us at once, we need to stay in separated locations, so at least one of us will survive to tell the story" and he headed off to Los Angeles. Anyway, every time Lord Narasimgha festivals come about, we remember Sulochana das because he was assassinated on the eve of that day.
I had actually tried for several years to convince Sulochana to leave New Vrndavana. I told him that this Kirtanananda has a very dangerous cult over there, he should move out and re-locate to Berkeley where we had at least some back up from the police authorities. However, his wife wanted to stay there, so he tried to stick it out.
Anyway, eventually the goondas there took his kids away from him at gun point, and after that he called me on the phone on his way to the West Coast, and he said, "we have to take these gurus down, they are kidnapping our children." So he came to California and joined me in Berkeley. He gave me custody of his big motor home which I parked in the temple's parking lot. It was still there after he was assassinated, and we were told by the police that New Vrndavana people were "doing surveillance" on the motor home, and my truck. Then, the New Vrndavana goondas came out to get me, I was next, but they were arrested by officer Joe Sanchez.
Anyway, it appears this was all destiny for both of us. Me and him had a long friendship, and we were already getting under the GBC's skin when we worked together in LA in 1976. The good news is, that since Sulochana was fighting to establish the acharya Srila Prabhupada, he will be blessed by Lord Narasimghadev for his efforts. As for the people who assassinate Vaishnavas, heaven help them, or as Jesus says "Lord forgive them for they know not what they do." ys pd]
[PADA: Sulochana das was assassinated on May 22, 1986 in the early AM, which was just the night after the appearance of Lord Narasimghadeva. The goonda's idea was -- that they wanted it to appear he was going to be killed by Narasimghadeva Himself. Some of the "hit men" involved have subsequently become friends with PADA and the have apologized profusely for their role in all this, but they confirmed they were operating under the authority of some of the leaders at the time.
The last time we saw Sulochana das was in Berkeley right in front of the temple, merely a few days before he was assassinated. He said, "I may never see you again." He knew his time was up, they were after him. I tried to convince him to stay in Berkeley because we had allies with the police -- like Joe Sanchez -- but he said, "if we stay together, they will get (kill) both of us at once, we need to stay in separated locations, so at least one of us will survive to tell the story" and he headed off to Los Angeles. Anyway, every time Lord Narasimgha festivals come about, we remember Sulochana das because he was assassinated on the eve of that day.
I had actually tried for several years to convince Sulochana to leave New Vrndavana. I told him that this Kirtanananda has a very dangerous cult over there, he should move out and re-locate to Berkeley where we had at least some back up from the police authorities. However, his wife wanted to stay there, so he tried to stick it out.
Anyway, eventually the goondas there took his kids away from him at gun point, and after that he called me on the phone on his way to the West Coast, and he said, "we have to take these gurus down, they are kidnapping our children." So he came to California and joined me in Berkeley. He gave me custody of his big motor home which I parked in the temple's parking lot. It was still there after he was assassinated, and we were told by the police that New Vrndavana people were "doing surveillance" on the motor home, and my truck. Then, the New Vrndavana goondas came out to get me, I was next, but they were arrested by officer Joe Sanchez.
Anyway, it appears this was all destiny for both of us. Me and him had a long friendship, and we were already getting under the GBC's skin when we worked together in LA in 1976. The good news is, that since Sulochana was fighting to establish the acharya Srila Prabhupada, he will be blessed by Lord Narasimghadev for his efforts. As for the people who assassinate Vaishnavas, heaven help them, or as Jesus says "Lord forgive them for they know not what they do." ys pd]
Dear PADA
ReplyDeleteIt's in Mahabharata 11.25. 38-42:
Gandhari tells Krishna that fate had favored Him and the Pandavas. The Pandavas were lucky to escape death from the hands of her son ‘the bull, strong enough to kill the gods’.
Then Gandhari collapsed in grief. Her body shivering in the grip of anger, overwhelmed with grief for her dead sons, her senses reeling she took Krishna to task.
She in her rage blamed Krishna for conspiring to destroy her family. Had He been sincere He could have prevented the war and saved everyone. She blames Krishna for his devious ways that brought death and destruction upon the Kuru clan. “You purposely destroyed the Kurus; made pretence of carrying out peace-talks.
You let the two warring kinsmen devastate each other. Now, take the result of that. I curse you. If I have been a devoted and faithful wife, may my curse come true. Krishna, mark my words, you will slay your own kinsmen. Just as Pandavas and Kurus were killing each other, your kinsmen too will kill each other. As your cousins, their sons and grandsons slay each other; you will wander about in the woods in desolation and die a lonely and ignominious death at the hands of a stranger. And your wives, having lost their sons, grandsons, brothers and dear ones shall run around the woods in desperation and grief, just as the Bharatha women are now doing”.
Gandhari syndrome. Is Puranjana suffering from this, he seems to accuse Krishna for not protecting Sulocana and of course, - Prabhupada.
Srila Vyasadeva calls it "horrible speech". When Gandhari entered the scene Arjuna was hiding behind Krishna. Vaishnavas don't mention it - Gandhari syndrome - but there seems a growing number of ISKCON drop-outs like Puranjana with similar attitude like - Gandhari.
Recently someone mentioned, girlie men and coffee-klatsch but Puranjana and his men are so much accustomed there was no response. Because they are habituated this description does not appeal.
However, this fixation that Prabhupada was poisoned leads exactly to this scenario: Krishna let it happen. Therefore Puranjana always repeats the murder of Sulocana. Underlying notion is that Krishna did not protect Sulocana. As devotees we are taught that without Krishna's sanction nothing can happen. So de facto Puranjana is accusing Krishna. And, Krishna did not protect Prabhupada. Thats where many seem to be stuck.
Crisis of faith. The amount of injustice was of such dimension that it just completely broke their heart to pieces. Prabhupada: "But even one is broken-hearted, still, he should not stop devotional service."
Dear PADA, is there a way to get this poor Puranjana out of this hole in the ground or do you think to leave them in this condition is the only option?
PADA: Yes, I was watching Mahabharata videos on youtube where some of the wives of the soldiers and kings were upset with Krishna for His allegedly instigating this war. That's sometimes the case, some people will blame Krishna for their own misfortune or the misfortune of others, that means in this example -- they did not understand that the war was the result of the motivated syndrome of their husbands.
ReplyDeleteAs for the death of Jesus, Maharaja Parisit, and many Krishna devotees who were also killed in the battle of Kurukshetra, or even Sulochana's assassination, these people are in a different category of being killed. These are people who were attacked under a different arrangement.
Of course people are killed every day, sometimes they are criminals who are shot by the police, sometimes they are police shot by the criminals. Not all deaths are equal, even in the ordinary world. We are not saying that the devotees who died at Kurukshetra were not protected by Krishna, we are saying that sometimes devotees die while fighting for the right cause. Srila Prabhupada says one of the reasons Jesus is so popular is that he was crucified while preaching about God, so these people are sometimes attacked, that does not mean that Krishna is not protecting His devotees, it means, in the material world sometimes even the devotees are attacked for preaching because, this is the material world.
The whole idea of the Gita is to be attached to Krishna and detached from matter, so detached, that maybe you'll even have to die while fighting for the right cause. In other words, do your duty to Krishna fearlessly, and whether you live or die, you are under His protection either way, because this is all part of an eternal process, there is no actual thing as death.
This is not a crisis of faith, rather some of the people who serve God are killed all over the place all the time, for example Christian missionaries or whatever it is, that does not reduce our faith, rather that increases our faith to see that people are serving God despite all obstacles, even dying while preaching. That is not reducing faith, rather that is glorious, they died while serving, that is why they get the medal of honor from Krishna. That's wonderful, they get the medal of honor, that's all there is to it. That is increasing our faith, to see the faith of others. ys pd
Thanks prabhu, thanks for telling us that Prahlad is now saying that there was no Joe Sanchez, except -- Joe Sanchez is the person who helped the FBI / Moundsville Sheriff connect the murder of Sulochana, to. Tirtha das. Joe caught Tirtha doing surveillance here in Berkeley, and he knew us and Sulochana well, and this connected the dots for the FBI.
ReplyDeleteSo yes, that means Prahlad is infuriated that Sulochana's murderer was caught thanks to Joe Sanchez. You are right, that means Prahlad loves the people who kill the devotees and he is angry Joe helped get these deviants, he wants the devotees to be murdered and have no one get caught, he wants the people who murder devotees to go scott free and that is why he is against Joe Sanchez.
You got it, he is another Kirtanananda. Why does Prahlad always want to drink the blood of the Vaishnavas, and he is infuriated when the Vaishnava killers are arrested? Good question! I think you are correct, he is another Kirtanananda, he wants to have people get away with molesting and murder and have no police to counter these crimes, yep, Kirtanananda's lovers club, they always hated Joe Sanchez. You are right! ys pd
Thanks Prahlad, I did not say that you thought Joe Sanchez was imaginary, a friend of yours said that you have been saying our accounts of that are imaginary. Anyway thanks, when we said children are being molested, you folks said we are liars, and you still say that now, and this is how people like Prahlad das caused thousands of children to be molested. As soon as we said there is a molesting program, Prahlad types shouted us down, and the real reason is pretty obvious, he loves homosexual pedophile child molester guru programs, that is why he attacks anyone who opposed his program. Why does Prahlad love child molester guru programs and he attacks anyone who exposes his program? Yep, every day Prahlad wakes up and says, wow someone is attacking my homosexual pedophile guru process, I had better check them, so we can spread more molesting around. ys pd
ReplyDeleteThat is true. PADA exposed the molesting. Prahlad people never liked that because they wanted the molesting. What sad sick perverts. These people are sick.
ReplyDeletePADA: Yes prabhu, heres what happened. In 1997 we broadly informed folks that there was a molesting program, the apparent result -- several hundred children were removed from the GBC schools by concerned parents, some schools allegedly shut down.
ReplyDeleteIn sum, PADA "liberated" children from either abusive, or potentially abusive conditions. In addition, we helped resolve a problem of other children who were prior victims suffering from fatal depression. Most folks agreed - saving children is a good plan.
Almost everyone was happy, we freed maybe hundreds of children. Ooops, some were not happy, like some of the GBC, and the Prahlad group. Immediately, the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad team were infuriated that children were going to be liberated from the abuse program. They said liberating these children is horribly wrong, exactly what their heros in Mayapura. In sum, the Prahlad team said these children should not have been liberated. They still say that we were wrong to liberate these kids.
Imagine if we liberated the 200 children from the Boko Haram cult, and saved these girls. The whole world would be happy, ecstatic really, oooops, except Prahlad and co. They would be saying that liberating children from abuse is bogus and wrong, which is what their program has said all along since 1997. Why do they love to see children in abusive conditions? Why do they oppose having children liberated from abusive conditions? Why do they think the Boko Haram program is the way children should be treated -- because saving victims is wrong? This is why more and more people are saying these people are very creepy, anti-children and apparently -- child abuse lovers. Worse, they keep telling us no one should have opposed this child abuse program, and that is what they still say today.
Then the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad team confirmed that they are still in bed with the molester messiahs when they began to promote Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta das on their web sites. Radhanath buried a pedophile in the holy dham, so now Prahlad wants us to work with that program, because his friends are promoting its cheer leader. We have to worship molesters in the holy dham, and Prahlad's team is promoting the cheer leaders of that agenda, or else we are bogus?
Then after all that, Prahlad wrote to tell us he is going to get goondas from the GBC program to come and get us. OK, he fully admits, he is still in bed with the molester messiahs and their goondas. Why don't these people know that molester messiahs is a wrong idea? Why are they now promoting Bhakta das, cheer leader for Kirtanananda's program? Why is Prahlad writing to tell us he is still sleeping in the same bed with the goondas from the molester messiahs program, proving he is still fully on board with the molester messiahs project?
OK, more and more people are saying, hey, these guys are creepy, they are pervs, they are promoting the molester messiahs program, and this all started when they were infuriated when children were liberated from their program, because they are one and the same as the creeps, perps and molesters, otherwise why are they always on the same page as the molester messiahs? Anyway, this is what happened, as soon as we liberated the children from a Boko Haram situation, Prahlad started crying buckets of tears, he is angry that children were liberated. Yes, a number of our ex-kuli friends are now saying to us, the whole pack of these guys are sick perverts, sick F****, and lots of other stuff we cannot print here.
NOT TO WORRY! Their Boko Haram program is not going anywhere though, thats for sure, we exposed it WAY TOO MUCH already, its never going to revive, we have way more people on board with us and against this pile of pervs at this point. ys pd]
Great input and yes after leaving fiskcon 14 yrs ago and being there for 9 yrs, mostly as a sankirtan devotee and then secretary of two (still active so-called gurus) sannyasis and travelling with them to so many 'zones', dhamas etc I have to admit that enough is enough. with all what available on the internet at this point of time the time will come that justice will be served....I'm preparing papers and massive counterattack towards media for example in Poland where Indradyumna is preaching and enjoying semi naked girls and sexy brahmacarinis....it will be a bomb! and a huge one as well!!!! it took years of research and lots of sleepless nights...now the time has come. we have to do it for Sulochana and others who put their health, youth and life in the process of finding out the truth...for I say the TRUTH is out there! .....we owe to them and to ourselves...media is the key. in order to catch a thief one must think like a thief...om HariHara svaha. om tat sat
ReplyDeletePRABHUPADA WOULD NOT APPROVE! Oh ye hypocrites! Ye who cannot control your own senses. So a lusty sannyasi has his problems, at least he is trying.
ReplyDelete[PADA: They are saying they are acharyas? A lusty sannyasa problem was going on in the 1970s, and no one was hurt too bad, except their female victims. The GBC's bogus acharyas have done way more damage.]
Why publicize it to the innocent karmis so they will never join? Did Prabhupada do this? Of course not. You will all take on all sorts of sinful reactions from Srila Prabhuapda and Lord Krishna there is no doubt. Your spiritual lives are presently on hold, and your future births look bleak and dim. Enjoy your time in Patalaloka.
[PADA: We had to go public, the leaders were trying to have us killed, we either went public, or died. ys pd]
Oh swell, we are like trailer trash, and the folks who are reading PADA are like the SENILE and smelly old man at the supermarket -- who is reading the "National Inquirer" at the empty cash register for hours. And this is why, you folks run downstairs every few hours -- to read PADA every day, and comment every day?
ReplyDeleteSo let us get this straight, you are saying to us, that YOU are identical to the senile and smelly old man who is reading trailer trash at the supermarket? Heh heh heh, so you are telling us -- you are actually one and the same as the senile and smelly old man at the supermarket reading the National Inquirer. When should we start the applause?
You are saying: the senile and smelly old man is your guru, you follow his footsteps. Have you ever considered getting an actual life and not accepting the senile and smelly man as your example to follow for your whole life?
And since your guru is the foolish and senile old man, you want to advise others? Maybe you should get an actual life, and quit reading the National Inquirer all day long. Are you people smoking crack? Anyway, since you are telling us you want to waste your entire life reading the National Inquirer, maybe that's because you have no actual life at all. I feel sorry for you folks, really. This is sad, you have no life of your own, so you have to read trailer trash as your only means of proving you even exist. Very sad and desperate life you have there! We will pray for you! ys pd