KVD: Dear Devotees, I have a dilemna facing me, which I am hoping we can sort out here. Jai Nitai Prabhu, the Temple President at Soho St. (London UK) has asked me not to distribute any original Bhagavad-gitas to any Iskcon devotees on Iskcon property, but devotees are always approaching me to buy an original copy from me.
Last week, Mother Sarada took two copies of the large original Bhagavad-gita from me and distributed them for £10 each which is what I normally do and she said she would give me the laxmi this week. Instead she gave the laxmi to Jai Nitai Prabhu and he is refusing to give me the laxmi now.
I suggested sitting down with all my Godbrothers and sisters and resolving the printing of Srila Prabhupada's original books by KBI and BBT so that everyone is happy. This seems to be the only way forward. So we can do that here online. If BBT can start printing KBI original books at the same prices, then I think book distribution globally will increase and everyone on the planet will get an original copy of Srila Prabhupada's books as they would like. Please feel free to comment.
KD: Yet another example of how demonic is the ISKCON GBC. I would find me another group of devotees to associate with. These ISKCON bureaucrats are totally lost.
PCJ: Think and find out why they are opposing Srila Prabhupada's original books so vehemently?
BPD: "First make yourself spiritually fit. ´Doctor, heal thyself´! First chant and dance in ecstasy like a madman, then worry about saving the rest of the world. Higher than becoming guru is to become an accomplished, fully self-realized disciple, and that hardly implies that one should pompously pose as a king with no clothes to passionately impress the little neophytes with how much one might have superficially garnered from the lines of letters on the pages of piles of books."
YAD: Actually I have researched this quite intensively, the Bhagavad gita so called original is not the original, it is merely the best of a error ridden version that iskcon was able to manifest at the time.
[PADA: Except, its the editition that was used to make thousands of devotees, and it was read and approved of by Srila Prabhupada.]
PCJ: For me, since this book is what was approved by Srila Prabhupada, and used extensively by him, its good enough!
NMD: Sorry to hear about the immaturity of the ISKCON temple president there at Soho Street, and the awful stress you are going through just to serve Srila Prabhupad. Sometimes, these institutional leaders get so wrapped up in following their 'rules' they forget the essence of what it's all about and why we are in the temple. Very sad, I hope the Tp will wake up and start acting with integrity and set the example instead of being such an ---
CPdd: Many of Srila Prabhupada's Older disciples have left the mother ship. It does not mean they are not serving Srila Prabhupada and pleasing Krsna. We already have all Prabhupada's original books, lectures, & kirtans. We don't need any institution. According to one's ability and facility, each home of a devotee is a temple. There is no need to distribute books at an iskcon ctr or to involve a third party anymore. Just continue with your sadhana privately. Be your own temple president and sankirtan leader. All Glories To Your Service! AGTSP! Hare Krsna,
MNG: The other day I saw Bhima prabhu, in charge of BBT in India, announcing to all that he has printed the original Gita and any devotee can buy from him. Why they don't do they do the same in England? Let the original writings of S.Prabhupada be distributed, almost everyone agrees...
AZP: In my opinion - the Bhagavad Gita As It Is Original 1972 by Srila Prabhupada is OK to have for historical memories, but I think the actual original is the one which is published with all the changes and amendments by BBT, and authorised by GBC, which is the highest authority in ISKCON. This was the will of Srila Prabhupada and I think we should respect this. Because when you distribute the "original" one and telling devotees that "the current one which is distributed by ISKCON is not the original" this causes conflicts and in this way, we are forgetting the principle of COOPERATION which was highly advocated by our great Spiritual Master - founder acharya - A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
KVD: Thank you to all the devotees who have commented on the above. My personal opinion is Srila Prabhupada's original books are the very best on the market and if the powers to be can print those, that will be the best. BBT India ALREADY recognizes the importance of Srila Prabhupada's original books and have done a great service in printing them. If BBT globally can do likewise, that will give Srila Prabhupada the greatest joy and the world will be restored back to normality.
Everyone is clamouring for answers and Srila Prabhupada's original books have them all. Most of my God brothers and sisters that I have spoken to still have their original books and it is those which they always refer to because they are treasures of the heart and will remain to be so as long as we live. Everyone should have an opportunity to share those, because the words of a pure devotee will never go in vain. This at least is my understanding and conviction and I beg to remain corrected if I am wrong.
CPdd: Hare Krsna Prabhus! Several years ago I assisted in creating a group of ladies to have a weekly Prabhupada night. We would bring our own book to take turns reading and we enjoyed a Prabhupada video and prasad. In the course of taking turns reading we clearly discovered that significant changes had been made to most of Srila Prabhupada's books which completely changed the meanings. Srila Prabhupada did not want his books changed, so whoever has done so has gone against the instructions of the guru and created grave offenses. It is only a matter of time before everyone has a choice what version they choose to read. AGTSP,
TD: Hare Krsna Prabhu. Just keep doing your very nice service which is certainly pleasing to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. Despite what those who deride your service say Srila Prabhupada's original Bhagavad Gita is in great demand, as you most certainly know. If, as KD says, people get the same benefit then why does this Jai Nitai feel threatened by your sincere service? To make the edited versions acceptable they must condemn the originals and those who prefer them?
It all seems very Mundane and motivated other than to actually please Srila Prabhupada. ISKCON is actually offering these books because of the actual demand for them and purchasing them from KBI. So you should confront Jai Nitai and demand your money which he has confiscated without justification and ask him to consult his Guru for clarification. Hare Krsna... All Glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada...
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: The so called BBT is really BBTI. The people behind BBTI have practically closed down Prabhupada's BBT which only exists on paper now. BBTI is not BBT. It functions in a legally different way. Therefore it is impossible to buy from BBT. You have to choose from BBTI or KBI. BBTI are in the process of destroying Srila Prabhupada's books. This is documented in detail in the below e-book:
http://arsaprayoga.com/2014/05/08/e-book-no-reply-from-bbti/
By supporting BBTI you are supporting the destruction of Srila Prabhupada's books. Therefore it is best to buy from KBI. KBI was licensed by BBTI in the mood of spiritual cooperation. This is documented here:
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../jayadvaita-swami-has.../
Regarding Jayadvaita Swami and his editing being approved no matter what he does to Srila Prabhupada's books is disproved in these two articles:
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../is-jayadvaita-swami-still-good/
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../at-that-time-your-position-is.../
E-BOOK: No Reply From BBTI
arsaprayoga.com
We have created an e-book (free of course) from some of the articles on this.
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: The BBTI are, so far, only printing the original gita. They have just begun that a few weeks back. Years before they had a another "original gita" but that version was in bad quality and many paintings were taken out and/or exchanged. So that version was not really original. But the BBTI has not only changed the Bhagavad-gita. They have changed many of Srila Prabhupada's books. Here is a list:
-Bhagavad-gita As It Is
-Sri Caitanya Caritamrita
-Nectar of Devotion
-Krishna book
-Teachings of Lord Chaitanya
-Sri Isopanisad
-Perfect questions perfect answers
-And now it looks like Srimad Bhagavatam will also be edited
This list might not be complete. So far the BBTI is only printing the original gita, so it is impossible to buy all the original books from BBTI. If we want original books we have to go to KBI, since they are the only place where they can be bought.
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa And another thing is that it is far out that a temple president is stealing your money, because he does not like Srila Prabhupada's original books being sold at the temple property. One thing is that he can decide if you can sell there or not. Fine! But that he steals your money is not vaisnava behavior.
TD: The GBC are not the highest authority in ISKCON, that is Srila Prabhupada and the GBC's authority comes from him, by his Grace if the carry out his instructions and genuinely represent him, something which is to say the least "Questionable"... Hare Krsna..
YAD: Ajita krishna das is another example of the'' anti party '' -- those whom seek to destroy iskcon like the deceased guru initiates / they seek to destroy our faith in the parampara science.
PCJ: Who to follow? Brhaspati or Shukracarya?!
CPdd: Follow Srila Prabhupada!!! Read his books, watch his dvds, listen to his lectures and his beautiful kirtans! You need not "follow" anyone else! Haribol,
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: YAD: Are you claiming I am a rtvik? Otherwise I do not understand your wild allegations.
We are supposed to follow authority, YES! But no false authority. And not follow blindly. If you want to argue that JAS and BBTI are true authorities, then feel free to do so. Then we can evaluate the evidence you present. I have presented my evidence above and on www.arsaprayoga.com to the effect that JAS and BBTI are not true authorities. Let us have a rational debate instead of just throwing wild accusation around.
Arsa-Prayoga
arsaprayoga.com
can we change Srila Prabhupada's books?
KM: To my knowledge Prabhupada didnt form the current BBTI, is that a fact? Of course Srila Prabhupada wanted that we by exclusively from BBT, but i guess He didnt count on these massive changes from His own camp. But now finally this BBTI of India has come too their senses and have just printed 100,000 of the Original BG. Victory we say!
Ajit Krsna Dasa: Dear Yuga Avatar Das! You seem to ignore my previous arguments. BBTI is not BBT. BBTI was set up after Srila Prabhupada's appearance. BBTI is not Prabhupada's BBT. That is both a historical and legal fact. KBI was licensed to print the original books. Jayadvaita Swami and the BBTI licensed KBI in a spirit of spiritual cooperation. This is documented here:
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../jayadvaita-swami-has.../
As I said earlier it is impossible to buy from the original BBT, because it exists only on paper. Since KBI is licensed by BBT (or perhaps BBTI) it is just as much the original BBT as BBTI is. In fact KBI is more the original BBT, because they print the original books.
So if you want to buy from BBT, then you must stop buying from BBTI.
Jayadvaita Swami has authorized KBI (Krishna Book Inc.) in a mood of cooperation
arsaprayoga.com Help us by "liking" and"sharing" this post! Recently BBT International (BBTI)
(YAD): "you seem to suggest that your version/ macmillan version is real one." That is the blessed one. The only one we need. YAD: "you even quote Ramesvara das on your facebook page however he does not agree with your version of events, nor does he accept the macmillian version as ''most perfect ''indeed he agrees with Jayadvaita and the BBT."
Can you prove this or is it your speculation?
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: Still, legally speaking the BBTI is different from Prabhupada's BBT. It does not run by the same rules. The BBTI can easily circumvent the rules of the BBT. They can cheat Prabhupada if they want.
In addition, there is no proof that the copyrights are with BBTI. It seems they are still with the BBT, and that the BBTI are plagiarizing Prabhupada's books.
The fact that you like a specific person does not prove that this specific person is doing good work. Your argument basically is:
1. Everyone I like is doing good work.
2. I like Jayadvaita and the BBTI crew.
3. Therefore Jayadvaita and the BBTI crew are doing good work.
I hope you can see this is not a valid or sound argument.
YAD: Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa prabhu: Yes in a mundane sense much of what you suggest is genuine however this is basically a Prabhupada disciple dispute amongst my seniors. Soon it will be my generation whom will alter and rectify anomolies as we see fit. Till then it is of little interest except to keep the integrity of the editorializing correct. Genuine Prabhupada disciples have disagreed on numerous occasions, yes some perish, some succeed, while others languish. yes in my thirty three years since taking diksa as a 19 year old in 1979 we have seen it all. We value the service of all devotees, but Krsna as time is moving on independently. So yes he is in control. He is the supreme doer.. Legal arguments and justice are seperate realities, I know this as a former lawyer myself.
[PADA: Correct, the reality is, more people want the original books. The reality is, the India BBT has recently printed them. The reality is, PADA associates also printed some originals recently. The reality is, more (most?) people agree with what we said in the early 1980s, do not change these books. ys pd]
Last week, Mother Sarada took two copies of the large original Bhagavad-gita from me and distributed them for £10 each which is what I normally do and she said she would give me the laxmi this week. Instead she gave the laxmi to Jai Nitai Prabhu and he is refusing to give me the laxmi now.
I suggested sitting down with all my Godbrothers and sisters and resolving the printing of Srila Prabhupada's original books by KBI and BBT so that everyone is happy. This seems to be the only way forward. So we can do that here online. If BBT can start printing KBI original books at the same prices, then I think book distribution globally will increase and everyone on the planet will get an original copy of Srila Prabhupada's books as they would like. Please feel free to comment.
KD: Yet another example of how demonic is the ISKCON GBC. I would find me another group of devotees to associate with. These ISKCON bureaucrats are totally lost.
PCJ: Think and find out why they are opposing Srila Prabhupada's original books so vehemently?
BPD: "First make yourself spiritually fit. ´Doctor, heal thyself´! First chant and dance in ecstasy like a madman, then worry about saving the rest of the world. Higher than becoming guru is to become an accomplished, fully self-realized disciple, and that hardly implies that one should pompously pose as a king with no clothes to passionately impress the little neophytes with how much one might have superficially garnered from the lines of letters on the pages of piles of books."
YAD: Actually I have researched this quite intensively, the Bhagavad gita so called original is not the original, it is merely the best of a error ridden version that iskcon was able to manifest at the time.
[PADA: Except, its the editition that was used to make thousands of devotees, and it was read and approved of by Srila Prabhupada.]
PCJ: For me, since this book is what was approved by Srila Prabhupada, and used extensively by him, its good enough!
NMD: Sorry to hear about the immaturity of the ISKCON temple president there at Soho Street, and the awful stress you are going through just to serve Srila Prabhupad. Sometimes, these institutional leaders get so wrapped up in following their 'rules' they forget the essence of what it's all about and why we are in the temple. Very sad, I hope the Tp will wake up and start acting with integrity and set the example instead of being such an ---
CPdd: Many of Srila Prabhupada's Older disciples have left the mother ship. It does not mean they are not serving Srila Prabhupada and pleasing Krsna. We already have all Prabhupada's original books, lectures, & kirtans. We don't need any institution. According to one's ability and facility, each home of a devotee is a temple. There is no need to distribute books at an iskcon ctr or to involve a third party anymore. Just continue with your sadhana privately. Be your own temple president and sankirtan leader. All Glories To Your Service! AGTSP! Hare Krsna,
MNG: The other day I saw Bhima prabhu, in charge of BBT in India, announcing to all that he has printed the original Gita and any devotee can buy from him. Why they don't do they do the same in England? Let the original writings of S.Prabhupada be distributed, almost everyone agrees...
AZP: In my opinion - the Bhagavad Gita As It Is Original 1972 by Srila Prabhupada is OK to have for historical memories, but I think the actual original is the one which is published with all the changes and amendments by BBT, and authorised by GBC, which is the highest authority in ISKCON. This was the will of Srila Prabhupada and I think we should respect this. Because when you distribute the "original" one and telling devotees that "the current one which is distributed by ISKCON is not the original" this causes conflicts and in this way, we are forgetting the principle of COOPERATION which was highly advocated by our great Spiritual Master - founder acharya - A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
KVD: Thank you to all the devotees who have commented on the above. My personal opinion is Srila Prabhupada's original books are the very best on the market and if the powers to be can print those, that will be the best. BBT India ALREADY recognizes the importance of Srila Prabhupada's original books and have done a great service in printing them. If BBT globally can do likewise, that will give Srila Prabhupada the greatest joy and the world will be restored back to normality.
Everyone is clamouring for answers and Srila Prabhupada's original books have them all. Most of my God brothers and sisters that I have spoken to still have their original books and it is those which they always refer to because they are treasures of the heart and will remain to be so as long as we live. Everyone should have an opportunity to share those, because the words of a pure devotee will never go in vain. This at least is my understanding and conviction and I beg to remain corrected if I am wrong.
CPdd: Hare Krsna Prabhus! Several years ago I assisted in creating a group of ladies to have a weekly Prabhupada night. We would bring our own book to take turns reading and we enjoyed a Prabhupada video and prasad. In the course of taking turns reading we clearly discovered that significant changes had been made to most of Srila Prabhupada's books which completely changed the meanings. Srila Prabhupada did not want his books changed, so whoever has done so has gone against the instructions of the guru and created grave offenses. It is only a matter of time before everyone has a choice what version they choose to read. AGTSP,
TD: Hare Krsna Prabhu. Just keep doing your very nice service which is certainly pleasing to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. Despite what those who deride your service say Srila Prabhupada's original Bhagavad Gita is in great demand, as you most certainly know. If, as KD says, people get the same benefit then why does this Jai Nitai feel threatened by your sincere service? To make the edited versions acceptable they must condemn the originals and those who prefer them?
It all seems very Mundane and motivated other than to actually please Srila Prabhupada. ISKCON is actually offering these books because of the actual demand for them and purchasing them from KBI. So you should confront Jai Nitai and demand your money which he has confiscated without justification and ask him to consult his Guru for clarification. Hare Krsna... All Glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada...
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: The so called BBT is really BBTI. The people behind BBTI have practically closed down Prabhupada's BBT which only exists on paper now. BBTI is not BBT. It functions in a legally different way. Therefore it is impossible to buy from BBT. You have to choose from BBTI or KBI. BBTI are in the process of destroying Srila Prabhupada's books. This is documented in detail in the below e-book:
http://arsaprayoga.com/2014/05/08/e-book-no-reply-from-bbti/
By supporting BBTI you are supporting the destruction of Srila Prabhupada's books. Therefore it is best to buy from KBI. KBI was licensed by BBTI in the mood of spiritual cooperation. This is documented here:
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../jayadvaita-swami-has.../
Regarding Jayadvaita Swami and his editing being approved no matter what he does to Srila Prabhupada's books is disproved in these two articles:
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../is-jayadvaita-swami-still-good/
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../at-that-time-your-position-is.../
E-BOOK: No Reply From BBTI
arsaprayoga.com
We have created an e-book (free of course) from some of the articles on this.
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: The BBTI are, so far, only printing the original gita. They have just begun that a few weeks back. Years before they had a another "original gita" but that version was in bad quality and many paintings were taken out and/or exchanged. So that version was not really original. But the BBTI has not only changed the Bhagavad-gita. They have changed many of Srila Prabhupada's books. Here is a list:
-Bhagavad-gita As It Is
-Sri Caitanya Caritamrita
-Nectar of Devotion
-Krishna book
-Teachings of Lord Chaitanya
-Sri Isopanisad
-Perfect questions perfect answers
-And now it looks like Srimad Bhagavatam will also be edited
This list might not be complete. So far the BBTI is only printing the original gita, so it is impossible to buy all the original books from BBTI. If we want original books we have to go to KBI, since they are the only place where they can be bought.
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa And another thing is that it is far out that a temple president is stealing your money, because he does not like Srila Prabhupada's original books being sold at the temple property. One thing is that he can decide if you can sell there or not. Fine! But that he steals your money is not vaisnava behavior.
TD: The GBC are not the highest authority in ISKCON, that is Srila Prabhupada and the GBC's authority comes from him, by his Grace if the carry out his instructions and genuinely represent him, something which is to say the least "Questionable"... Hare Krsna..
YAD: Ajita krishna das is another example of the'' anti party '' -- those whom seek to destroy iskcon like the deceased guru initiates / they seek to destroy our faith in the parampara science.
PCJ: Who to follow? Brhaspati or Shukracarya?!
CPdd: Follow Srila Prabhupada!!! Read his books, watch his dvds, listen to his lectures and his beautiful kirtans! You need not "follow" anyone else! Haribol,
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: YAD: Are you claiming I am a rtvik? Otherwise I do not understand your wild allegations.
We are supposed to follow authority, YES! But no false authority. And not follow blindly. If you want to argue that JAS and BBTI are true authorities, then feel free to do so. Then we can evaluate the evidence you present. I have presented my evidence above and on www.arsaprayoga.com to the effect that JAS and BBTI are not true authorities. Let us have a rational debate instead of just throwing wild accusation around.
Arsa-Prayoga
arsaprayoga.com
can we change Srila Prabhupada's books?
KM: To my knowledge Prabhupada didnt form the current BBTI, is that a fact? Of course Srila Prabhupada wanted that we by exclusively from BBT, but i guess He didnt count on these massive changes from His own camp. But now finally this BBTI of India has come too their senses and have just printed 100,000 of the Original BG. Victory we say!
Ajit Krsna Dasa: Dear Yuga Avatar Das! You seem to ignore my previous arguments. BBTI is not BBT. BBTI was set up after Srila Prabhupada's appearance. BBTI is not Prabhupada's BBT. That is both a historical and legal fact. KBI was licensed to print the original books. Jayadvaita Swami and the BBTI licensed KBI in a spirit of spiritual cooperation. This is documented here:
http://arsaprayoga.com/.../jayadvaita-swami-has.../
As I said earlier it is impossible to buy from the original BBT, because it exists only on paper. Since KBI is licensed by BBT (or perhaps BBTI) it is just as much the original BBT as BBTI is. In fact KBI is more the original BBT, because they print the original books.
So if you want to buy from BBT, then you must stop buying from BBTI.
Jayadvaita Swami has authorized KBI (Krishna Book Inc.) in a mood of cooperation
arsaprayoga.com Help us by "liking" and"sharing" this post! Recently BBT International (BBTI)
(YAD): "you seem to suggest that your version/ macmillan version is real one." That is the blessed one. The only one we need. YAD: "you even quote Ramesvara das on your facebook page however he does not agree with your version of events, nor does he accept the macmillian version as ''most perfect ''indeed he agrees with Jayadvaita and the BBT."
Can you prove this or is it your speculation?
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa: Still, legally speaking the BBTI is different from Prabhupada's BBT. It does not run by the same rules. The BBTI can easily circumvent the rules of the BBT. They can cheat Prabhupada if they want.
In addition, there is no proof that the copyrights are with BBTI. It seems they are still with the BBT, and that the BBTI are plagiarizing Prabhupada's books.
The fact that you like a specific person does not prove that this specific person is doing good work. Your argument basically is:
1. Everyone I like is doing good work.
2. I like Jayadvaita and the BBTI crew.
3. Therefore Jayadvaita and the BBTI crew are doing good work.
I hope you can see this is not a valid or sound argument.
YAD: Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dasa prabhu: Yes in a mundane sense much of what you suggest is genuine however this is basically a Prabhupada disciple dispute amongst my seniors. Soon it will be my generation whom will alter and rectify anomolies as we see fit. Till then it is of little interest except to keep the integrity of the editorializing correct. Genuine Prabhupada disciples have disagreed on numerous occasions, yes some perish, some succeed, while others languish. yes in my thirty three years since taking diksa as a 19 year old in 1979 we have seen it all. We value the service of all devotees, but Krsna as time is moving on independently. So yes he is in control. He is the supreme doer.. Legal arguments and justice are seperate realities, I know this as a former lawyer myself.
[PADA: Correct, the reality is, more people want the original books. The reality is, the India BBT has recently printed them. The reality is, PADA associates also printed some originals recently. The reality is, more (most?) people agree with what we said in the early 1980s, do not change these books. ys pd]
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