PADA: I think the real question is, and this is what even some Karmis asked us recently, why has it come down to a India High Court lawsuit to establish that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya of ISKCON as per the July 9th letter, and that the disciples of ISKCON are his?
Why didn't the disciples of Srila Prabhupada establish that themselves 35 years ago? Why is it having to be thrown at the mercy of the court, submitted by one person named MPD? Where are / were all the disciples of Srila Prabhupada? Why didn't they establish that as the legal rule of law for ISKCON all along, instead of one guy named MPD? The fact that Madhu Pandit has to be in India High court to establish that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya, and that the disciples of ISKCON are his, as per the July 9th letter -- that means -- everyone else (ok the mass of Srila Prabhupada's disciples) has failed to establish that as the legal policy of the society.
And if Madhu Pandit is the only person in high court trying to establish that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya for ISKCON, and that the initiations should be conducted as per making the initiates Srila Prabhupada's, that means everyone else failed to make that the established legal regulation of ISKCON. At least Madhu Pandit is making some attempt to have that the law of ISKCON, no one else is in court with this idea at all, period.
And if we do not want to have Srila Prabhupada established as the legal initiator of the society as per the July 9th letter, as Madhu Pandit is at least attempting, however good or bad he is otherwise, then we will simply keep the current status quo GBC guru system of initiations as the legal process of the society. Hey, if that is what we want, to have the current GBC debauchee guru system as the recognized legal system of initiations, and we want MPD's case to fail to establish that Srila Prabhupada is the initiator, then no one should complain that people are going to be initiated by fools, rogues and debauchees, because that's what we will have if we cannot establish legally that Srila Prabhupada is the initiator for the society.
Personally, I am ashamed of so many of my God brothers for not even bothering to make sure that Srila Prabhupada should be the legal initiator of his own movement, and its come down to one guy in Bangalore having to do that instead of all of us making that the legal rule all along.
So fine, if people want MPD to fail, and have the GBC gurus win, then no one should complain that rascals are sitting in the Vyasasanas of ISKCON, and sitting there legally, because we get what we desire. So for me, whatever other problems MPD has, he is the only person who has even had any slight snowball in hell chance of making Srila Prabhupada the legal initiator of ISKCON. So if we want to chop MPD's effort down, we will have rascal acharyas, and if that is what we want,, that's what we'll get. ys pd
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OK, anyway, who was first to want to save ISKCON legally, by establishing that Srila Prabhupada is the initiating guru for ISKCON in the Delhi High court? No one else is even representing ISKCON in the High Court. No one else probably ever will be in the high court. If MDP wins his case, then Srila Prabhupada will be established legally (via the July 9th letter and other Srila Prabhupada documents) as the acharya for ISKCON. And if he wins that case, then we can LEGALLY use that case as a legal precedent case in other countries -- to LEGALLY make Srila Prabhupada the acharya for ISKCON in other countries, such as USA, by citing MPD's case as precedent ruling. One of the HKC folks just wrote to tell me that my desire to see Srila Prabhupada legally established as the acharya of ISKCON makes me "Bangalore's defender." Srila Prabhupada should be the legal acharya for only Bangalore? Srila Prabhupada is not just for Bangalore? He needs to be established legally as the acharya for the whole world, not just Jaipur, not just Bangalore, and this Delhi case may be the foot hold needed to make him the legal acharya for ISKCON. That is the actual struggle for truth, Srila Prabhupada's position as legal acharya has been usurped. I simply do not get it, people are trying to stop the person who wants to legally establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya for ISKCON. OK then we will continue to have bogus people legally established as the acharyas for ISKCON, the status quo remains. If that is what people want, so be it. ys pd
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OK, anyway, who was first to want to save ISKCON legally, by establishing that Srila Prabhupada is the initiating guru for ISKCON in the Delhi High court? No one else is even representing ISKCON in the High Court. No one else probably ever will be in the high court. If MDP wins his case, then Srila Prabhupada will be established legally (via the July 9th letter and other Srila Prabhupada documents) as the acharya for ISKCON. And if he wins that case, then we can LEGALLY use that case as a legal precedent case in other countries -- to LEGALLY make Srila Prabhupada the acharya for ISKCON in other countries, such as USA, by citing MPD's case as precedent ruling. One of the HKC folks just wrote to tell me that my desire to see Srila Prabhupada legally established as the acharya of ISKCON makes me "Bangalore's defender." Srila Prabhupada should be the legal acharya for only Bangalore? Srila Prabhupada is not just for Bangalore? He needs to be established legally as the acharya for the whole world, not just Jaipur, not just Bangalore, and this Delhi case may be the foot hold needed to make him the legal acharya for ISKCON. That is the actual struggle for truth, Srila Prabhupada's position as legal acharya has been usurped. I simply do not get it, people are trying to stop the person who wants to legally establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya for ISKCON. OK then we will continue to have bogus people legally established as the acharyas for ISKCON, the status quo remains. If that is what people want, so be it. ys pd
First question is - has MPD ever mentioned in his legal suit that the purpose, intention or objective is to establish Srila Prabhupada as the legal acharya of ISKCON as it is being repeatedly said in the article above? The real fact is that the legal suit is ONLY and ONLY about the control of the Bangalore temple property - pls check the case files (and for you to make such statements as above, either you have not seen even a single legal document or are misguiding gullible devotees) - the legal suit has absolutely no mention to establish SP as the legal acharya of ISKCON. You simply seem to be such a blind follower of MPD that you think that the entire ritvik issue depends only on MPD's case - the only thing thats going to happen if MPD does win the case is that he would continue to legally enjoy the possession of the Bangalore property. There are thousands of sincere Prabhupadanugas and it is highly offensive to discredit all their contributions and only credit MPD - something that MPD has been manipulating since the beginning of his career - to step on others' heads and enjoy the glory. He is the only one in ISKCON whom foolish followers credit that MPD built Bangalore Temple, MPD started Akshaya patra, MPD did this and that - do you think nobody else has built any temple or done any exceptional devotional service in ISKCON history. the greatest servants, book distributors, and so many more have all humbly offered their seva - only MPD is the biggest trumpet blower in ISKCON history and the most offensive person who cannot work with anyone who does'nt say yes boss to him.
ReplyDeleteThe MPD lawsuit does not mention that Srila Prabhupada should be the acharya? The MPD lawsuit has submitted all the documents we posted on the harekrsna org web site starting in the 1990s, the DOM, the July 9th letter, the Will, the false appointment tape transcript and so on.
ReplyDeleteAre you saying, Srila Prabhupada's documents are faulty and should not have been submitted as evidence? Not sure what your point is? If these documents do not establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, who is established by these documents?
We said MPD is the only person in the supreme court, that is what we said, and its a fact. There are thousands of Prabhupadanugas, we never said different, you are making a straw man argument. We said he is the only person in supreme court, and he is. If you are in the supreme court, we have not heard about it, we have heard about his case, not yours.
All of the rest of us Prabhupada devotees will benefit TREMENDOUSLY if Srila Prabhupada is established in court as the acharya by using these documents. We also were the first to publish all these documents on the web starting in the 1990s, and that was our hope, that these documents would eventually be used in court. You did not even bother to collect and post all these documents on the net, never mind post them in court? How can you say the documents to establish the acharya WRITTEN BY SRILA PRABHUPADA are all about a property dispute? That is an insult to Srila Prabhupada, and that is why you cannot accomplish anything of substance, you are politicizing his documents.
What is you plan to fix things? Instead of pouring cold water on everyone else, show us a better process, lets see your web site that is publishing the documents, lets see your court case etc. As our friends as work say "talk is cheap, positive action has value." Where is your action? ys pd
There is no other lawsuit to make Srila Prabhupada the guru of ISKCON. Madhu Pandit's is the only one.
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