PADA: ISKCON India's credibility is simply going the same direction as it has everywhere else, downhill in a hurry. Notice that the India ICC bureau web site no longer shows -- who are the members. So that means our exposing these pedophile worshipers clique has worked? Some of them were complaining that they did not want their faces shown in public, because -- what?
They no longer want to show their faces?
Well jeepers, anyone who says God's chain of successors contains: illicit sex with men, women and children, and cats; drunks; Reno gamblers; and persons orchestrating murders of dissenters etc. would probably not want to be known publicly either. The India ICC folks are evidently based in Delhi, where the guru there (Gopal Krishna) orchestrated burying a pedophile and a porno swami in a samadhi in the dham. That is the ICC's scholarly idea, burying pedophiles in samadhis in the dham?
Of course, the ICC also says we Western mlecchas are bogus -- because? -- we don't place the photos of pedophiles on our altars, and kiss the feet of pedophiles and think they are the re-incarnations of Jesus?
Yep. People all over the planet are waking up gradually to the mess of the so-called "post-1977 GBC guru parampara" and it is really a dark and sordid history -- complete with: assorted illicit sex with men, women and children scandals; police raids; mass molesting; lawsuits; beatings; alienated citizens; abuse victims committing suicide; a few murdered dissenters; horrible media publicity and etc.
And that does not even count a number of folks who think that the core GBC cadre was giving Srila Prabhupada heavy metal poisoning in 1977. Where is the credibility indeed? I also know a number of "outsiders" -- includes police and media folks -- who just cannot believe all the nonsense that has been going on over here in the name of Krishna! If you love Krishna, why would you make a giant gangster program out of His movement? Even ordinary people ask me that all the time.
Then the India ICC scholarly bureau guys headed by Basu Ghosh, Bhakti Vikas swami etc. say that we need to help them keep their known pedophile messiah Lokanath swami in the acharya's seat, despite that is totally disgusting to many thousands of devotees, and there is an ever growing wave of opposition. And thus there is ongoing increased backlash, repudiation and widespread expose of their CURRENT dirty tricks. OK their credibility was already very weak all along, and now it is just vaporizing into thin air.
We just now had a nice two hour conversation with an ex-GBC follower and he is telling PADA he has to cut all connections to the GBC management and their lackeys. He is going to follow our idea to worship Srila Prabhupada and not deviants. He said when he first came to the temple there was maybe a dozen Western devotees -- and mostly Hindus, but now there is almost no Western devotees, they are gradually leaving the premises because they just don't want to follow the GBC's false guru system either. Their whole scam is being rejected more and more. And now he realizes why they all left. I told him how one of their Hindu scholars was complaining the jnana mudra is Mayavada, because it is used by Madhvacarya and Krishna when He plays His flute? Where do they find these idiots?
Anyway! Krishna Kant has been making his "Back to Prabhupada" magazine for some time now, and honestly -- he is getting to be more PADA-like with our "expose style" all the time. First of all, in 1997 Krishna Kanta told me not to post negative news, because he wants to reform these GBC guys and I am alienating them.
He wanted me to quit writing and take a vacation in the Caribbean which was the deal he had worked out with Jayapataka and co. Umm, thanks but neine danke! Krishna Kant "worked out a deal" with the GBC to send me on vacation in the Caribbean, so I could be easily disappeared, maybe kidnapped and fed to the sharks over there? Very naive.
OK but now it looks like Krishna Kanta is copying and pasting my argument that the GBC cannot take sins. Not really "my" argument, that is what Srila Prabhupada says, we neophytes cannot take sins. So he is once again copying and pasting our stuff. Which is good, but he really never gives us any credit.
And he still says we were wrong to stop the molesting and suicides process with a lawsuit, ummm -- we need to allow suicides and child molesting to continue? IRM's Kamsahanta told me the same, the child molesting lawsuit was bad because "we will lose our buildings." OK "ours" or really -- his -- buildings where he is making pedophile worship go onwards, needs to be saved? I need to save the buildings where people worship pedophiles as their messiahs?
Then Krishna Kant's disciples like Naranayan dasa Visvakarma / Sanat / Mukunda Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks all said, yep that is right! We need to continue to have suicides and molesting to "save ISKCON's buildings." Saving child molesting and suicides will save ISKCON? Save it from what? It always amazes me how these people think that adding more dead bodies to their existing pile of dead bodies is going to fix and reform ISKCON? Wait! The GBC people also said it is a bad idea to stop molesting and suicides. Who are they following?
Then Prahlad says I am copying and pasting everything and taking credit. Copying from whom? Or where? He never says? PADA's web site copies and pastes from -- which other sites? Notice, instead of his attacking the sites we allegedly borrow from and copy and paste from, he only attacks ours?
Why not attack the source? Sorry, all sorts of people are copying and pasting from PADA, including their hero Krishna Kant. Then Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad and his HKC pals make a video with their Radhanath lover's team, so they have to copy and paste form their pedophile guru lover's association to be credible. So we cannot copy and paste from Krishna, Who is saying He does not support the worship of deviants, but they are allowed to copy and paste from their pedophile guru lover's pals?
Then their pal bhakta Peter says -- he sees no problem with their promoting the pedophile guru club's cheer leaders. OK so they love children, and yet they want to suppress PADA, so children can be molested, maybe commit suicide, but if they survive, they should listen to them glorify their pedophile guru's regime's cheer leaders? Then they make pretend they wonder why almost all these ex-kids are so messed up psychologically.
So we copy and paste all our PADA stuff, but hey they forgot something important, everything in the universe is copied and pasted from some other source, ultimately -- named Krishna. We are not the doers. We simply take Krishna's idea, for example that children being molested and committing suicide is horrific and needs to be halted, and we copied and pasted His idea. Why would we not do that?
If Krishna thinks pedophile acharyas are going to hell, why would I not copy and paste His same idea? So people like Prahlad think, me copying and pasting from Krishna is a bad idea? Even the karmis know I am right, because they are also parts and parcels of Krishna, so they too are in agreement with Krishna, deviants are not Krishna's successors. This is the whole point of human life, we are supposed to copy and paste Krishna's ideas and get rid of our own independent and foolish ideas. ys pd
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Vanishing ICC Bureau?
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Oh oh, some of team Sabha (Bhaktarupa) coming to defend ICC?
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Text PAMHO:33350505 (85 lines) [W1]
From: Bhaktarupa (das) ACBSP (Puri - IN)
Date: 29-Jun-22 03:34 (09:04 +0530)
To: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [9775]
To: IIAC (ISKCON India Advisory Committee) [7414]
To: ISKCON (India) Bureau Discussions [6367]
Reference: Text PAMHO:33350485 by Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)
Subject: Ill treatment at the hands of the NA leadership
------------------------------------------------------------
Srimad Bhagavatam 4.19.34
Translation
My dear King, do not be agitated and anxious because your sacrifices have
not been properly executed due to providential impediments. Kindly take my
words with great respect. We should always remember that if something
happens by providential arrangement, we should not be very sorry. The more
we try to rectify such reversals, the more we enter into the darkest region
of materialistic thought.
Purport
Sometimes the saintly or very religious person also has to meet with
reversals in life. Such incidents should be taken as providential. Although
there may be sufficient cause for being unhappy, one should avoid
counteracting such reversals, for the more we become implicated in
rectifying such reversals, the more we enter into the darkest regions of
material anxiety. Lord Kṛṣṇa has also advised us in this connection: we
should tolerate things instead of becoming agitated.
Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das
> Home Base: ISKCON Baroda
> Camp: ISKCON Baroda
>
> Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
>
> Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
>
> Along with this I am attaching correspondence that I had with Anuttama
> Das, a member of the International GBC with oversight duties for a large
> number of temples in North America, (and he’s also ISKCON’s Minister for
> Communications, as you may be aware).
>
> The correspondence took place after he wrote me to inform me that I am
> banned from giving lectures in his zone (which itself was dishonest, since
> by the time he wrote, he was able to convince his colleagues to implement
> the ban as well, in many other places).
>
> What transpired on Sunday, May 29, at ISKCON of Delaware, a very small
> center with a small congregation and no full-time devotees, did not
> warrant this blatant injustice of a zone wide ban on my lecturing, at
> least without giving me a chance to hear my side of the story.
>
> Even if found to be in error, a warning could have been issued (which
> hadn’t been ever issued before).
>
> So the ban was announced without giving me a chance to explain what
> happened, as if I am a troublemaker or rabble rouser.
>
> I have been visiting the USA regularly for the past five and a half years,
> and have lectured in several temples there, and there has not been even
> one complaint — until now — that was brought to my notice. Despite this
> fact, Anuttama Das wrote that he had received several complaints, but did
> not bother to give details in his letter.
>
> He made all of his allegations without presenting a shred of proof.
>
> Afterwards the NA leadership council has given its approval to the type of
> “kangaroo court justice” that was dispensed by Anuttama Das.
>
> It is obvious to me that I am being targeted due to my strong opposition
> to the GBCs authorization of women diksha gurus.
>
> It is no secret that Anuttama Das is one of the main proponents of women
> diksha gurus in ISKCON.
>
> It is after discussions with some fellow bureau members and other well
> wishers that I am placing the entire episode in front of all of you
> leaders of ISKCON India.
>
> My humble request is that you go through all of what appears in the
> attached file, and consider the facts, and let me know what you think
> ought to be done here?
>
> Thanks for letting me know your feelings.
>
> Hope this meets you all well.
>
> dasanudas,
>
> Basu Ghosh Das
>
> Facebook: Basu Ghosh Das
> WhatsApp: +91-94260-54308
(Text PAMHO:33350505) --------------------------------------
------- End of Forwarded Message ------
Text PAMHO:33350505 (85 lines) [W1]
From: Bhaktarupa (das) ACBSP (Puri - IN)
Date: 29-Jun-22 03:34 (09:04 +0530)
To: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [9775]
To: IIAC (ISKCON India Advisory Committee) [7414]
To: ISKCON (India) Bureau Discussions [6367]
Reference: Text PAMHO:33350485 by Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)
Subject: Ill treatment at the hands of the NA leadership
------------------------------------------------------------
Srimad Bhagavatam 4.19.34
Translation
My dear King, do not be agitated and anxious because your sacrifices have
not been properly executed due to providential impediments. Kindly take my
words with great respect. We should always remember that if something
happens by providential arrangement, we should not be very sorry. The more
we try to rectify such reversals, the more we enter into the darkest region
of materialistic thought.
Purport
Sometimes the saintly or very religious person also has to meet with
reversals in life. Such incidents should be taken as providential. Although
there may be sufficient cause for being unhappy, one should avoid
counteracting such reversals, for the more we become implicated in
rectifying such reversals, the more we enter into the darkest regions of
material anxiety. Lord Kṛṣṇa has also advised us in this connection: we
should tolerate things instead of becoming agitated.
Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das
> Home Base: ISKCON Baroda
> Camp: ISKCON Baroda
>
> Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
>
> Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
>
> Along with this I am attaching correspondence that I had with Anuttama
> Das, a member of the International GBC with oversight duties for a large
> number of temples in North America, (and he’s also ISKCON’s Minister for
> Communications, as you may be aware).
>
> The correspondence took place after he wrote me to inform me that I am
> banned from giving lectures in his zone (which itself was dishonest, since
> by the time he wrote, he was able to convince his colleagues to implement
> the ban as well, in many other places).
>
> What transpired on Sunday, May 29, at ISKCON of Delaware, a very small
> center with a small congregation and no full-time devotees, did not
> warrant this blatant injustice of a zone wide ban on my lecturing, at
> least without giving me a chance to hear my side of the story.
>
> Even if found to be in error, a warning could have been issued (which
> hadn’t been ever issued before).
>
> So the ban was announced without giving me a chance to explain what
> happened, as if I am a troublemaker or rabble rouser.
>
> I have been visiting the USA regularly for the past five and a half years,
> and have lectured in several temples there, and there has not been even
> one complaint — until now — that was brought to my notice. Despite this
> fact, Anuttama Das wrote that he had received several complaints, but did
> not bother to give details in his letter.
>
> He made all of his allegations without presenting a shred of proof.
>
> Afterwards the NA leadership council has given its approval to the type of
> “kangaroo court justice” that was dispensed by Anuttama Das.
>
> It is obvious to me that I am being targeted due to my strong opposition
> to the GBCs authorization of women diksha gurus.
>
> It is no secret that Anuttama Das is one of the main proponents of women
> diksha gurus in ISKCON.
>
> It is after discussions with some fellow bureau members and other well
> wishers that I am placing the entire episode in front of all of you
> leaders of ISKCON India.
>
> My humble request is that you go through all of what appears in the
> attached file, and consider the facts, and let me know what you think
> ought to be done here?
>
> Thanks for letting me know your feelings.
>
> Hope this meets you all well.
>
> dasanudas,
>
> Basu Ghosh Das
>
> Facebook: Basu Ghosh Das
> WhatsApp: +91-94260-54308
(Text PAMHO:33350505) --------------------------------------
------- End of Forwarded Message ------
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My Dear Basughosh prabhu
Please accept my humble obeissances
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!!
Thanks for sharing this whole episode which is total insult not only as
individual but I feel it's for devotees who stood and fought for many
issues like FDG and HH Lokanath swami issues.
I feel it's direct attack on Indian leadership where everyone stood for
Dharma
It's great dishonor and very painfull of ill treatment on senior devotee
like you who represented and fought for many issues from Indian leadership
I humbly request ISKCON India Bureau should take up this seriously and do
needful or else more devotees will be banned whoever speaks for Dharma in
coming days.
I treat this case as not personal to you but it will effect on whole of
India leadership
YHS
Sriramadasa
Please accept my humble obeissances
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!!
Thanks for sharing this whole episode which is total insult not only as
individual but I feel it's for devotees who stood and fought for many
issues like FDG and HH Lokanath swami issues.
I feel it's direct attack on Indian leadership where everyone stood for
Dharma
It's great dishonor and very painfull of ill treatment on senior devotee
like you who represented and fought for many issues from Indian leadership
I humbly request ISKCON India Bureau should take up this seriously and do
needful or else more devotees will be banned whoever speaks for Dharma in
coming days.
I treat this case as not personal to you but it will effect on whole of
India leadership
YHS
Sriramadasa
[PADA: OK so when the India ICC Bureau finds a guru who is "voted in" by the same people who voted for their oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham acharya being reinstated -- they call that "dharma." And worse, they say people who worship Jesus are bogus mlecchas because the Western people do not worship oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham guru lineages as their messiahs. ys pd]
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