ISKCON Proposes "Guru Appointing Freeze" For 2022

Basu Ghosh: For your information, the following was NOT sent officially to the GBC, so it's a bit of a mystery as to how it reached the GBC EC! So, it is not the official, final resolution - but since it's now "in the public domain", it's close!

Basu Ghosh

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Letter PAMHO:

From: Internet: "Basu Ghosh Das" <basughoshdas@gmail.com>

Date: 07-Jan-22 06:10 (11:40 +0530)

To: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [214881]

Subject: Fwd: Forwarded as received - latest from bureau meeting

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Dear Devotees,Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila 
Prabhupada.

For your information, the ISKCON India Bureau has passed the resolution
below in response to the GBC's recent decision on Vaisnavi Diksa Gurus.

Hare Krsna,

Your servants,

Bhakti Caitanya Swami
Bhanu Swami
Revati Raman Das,
GBC Executive Committee
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Proposal on the present diksha guru system and the FDG resolution

The Bureau hereby takes cognizance of the GBCs resolution of

December 2021, authorizing Female Diksha Gurus (FDGs) in ISKCON,

Whereas, the Bureau had expressed it’s “strong opposition” to this imposition in its resolution adopted during November 2019,

Whereas, more recently the Indian Continental Committee has by a overwhelming majority has also expressed their disapproval of the December 2021 resolution of the GBC body regarding FDGs

Whereas, the ICC has rejected in principle, having the FDG system operate outside India, but not within India

Whereas, recently the ICC has passed a resolution asking that the GBC rescind their FDG resolution,

Whereas, the FDG issue can be discussed from two different sastric perspectives depending on whether we emphasize the “female” part or the “diksha guru” part:

* One with respect to the role of Vaishnavis in our society as per Krishna Conscious Vedic standards, and

* The other with respect to the nature of the current Diksha guru system the GBC has in place and the role of the Diksha guru as per that system in ISKCON

Whereas, the diksha guru system the GBC body has currently in place is not clear on many fronts, such as: the meaning of 1st and second initiations;
the relation of the two initiations to the process of giving divya jnana defining diksha as per Srila Prabhupada who quotes Srila Jiva Goswami; the place and the role of the Diksha guru as per that system in ISKCON; the qualifications of the diksha guru; the relation of this system to the larger context of Guru tatva itself as per our Siddhanta,

Whereas there is a broad feeling within the movement, internationally and in India, that the GBC installed guru system needs full clarification

Whereas Brahmatirtha das in his discussions with the Bureau on 4 January, 2022, repeatedly mentioned that the GBC also accepts that the ‘diksha guru in ISKCON’ is an issue that needs more discussion, clarity and understanding

Whereas it makes no good sense to extend the present unclear male diksha
guru (MDG) system to include FDGs, which can only further compound the
difficulties the movement is already experiencing in this regard

[PADA: We would not want to compound "the difficulties" we have already made. Yep, such as, what is a homosexual and pedophile guru lineage from God? The answer is too difficult to explain!]

Whereas clarity on the generic diksha guru issue will also naturally bring clarity to the FDG issue,

[PADA: Yep, might be a good idea to clarify what is a diksha guru before we make a pile more of them ...]

Whereas the ICC has approached the FDG issue from the perspective of the role of Vaishnavis in our society as per Krishna Conscious Vedic standards,

Whereas the Bureau is desirous to also approach the issue from the perspective of the unclear male Diksha guru system the GBC has in place presently,

Whereas the project of properly clarifying the initiation system that Srila Prabhupada wants for ISKCON, although has been attempted from various quarters within the movement, still undoubtedly requires even more effort,

[PADA: We made an attempt to clarify what is a parampara acharya, but never quite figured it out, but in the meantime we rubber stamped over 100 parampara acharyas ... who are crashing like jumbo jets -- what could go wrong pilgrims?]

Whereas already the leaders and rank and file devotees all have developed their own understanding in this matter in the meanwhile, due to the lack of the correct understanding put in the place by the GBC body,

[PADA: Right, everyone came to their own idea, some saying that Radhanath is a guru, some saying he is a deviant, and so on and so forth. There is no unified position on who is a guru across the ISKCON society. And in some places the guru camps are fighting like cats and dogs and one person from Sacramento told PADA, we cannot even start a center here because we all fight with each other ...]  

Whereas it is not clear whether there is any common core understanding within the movement, and what it is, with respect to the diksha guru system, even with respect basic terminologies and concepts (that we may be assuming to be a part of common understanding of all devotees),

[PADA: Happens all the time. ISKCON people write to PADA, and they cannot even explain what is an illicit sex with men, women and children "guru chain from Krishna." They do not even know the ABC kindergarten basics.]  

The Bureau hereby resolves to commission a systematic survey to try and determine whether there is a common core of understanding amongst members of ISKCON regarding the current diksha guru system and the role of the diksha guru in ISKCON, and what this common core comprises of, with respect to even basic terminologies and concepts.

[PADA: A survey is not the solution. You need to decide what is a guru and then tell the new people. A survey will simply give you all sorts of deviant different ideas, but not the right ideas. We already know the people in ISKCON are mostly confused and have various ideas about who is bona fide, who is not, and etc. The fight over female diksha gurus is a case in point, there is a lot of confusion, no consensus.]

Whereas, for the start, the Bureau wants to commence this survey with Bureau members, and other leaders in India, and later extend it to other devotees,

Whereas the Bureau expects the above initial study to take a maximum of one year to complete, by Gaur Purnima 2023

The Bureau also resolves to call, for this period, a moratorium on FDGs and approving all new gurus, male or female

The India Bureau hereby calls upon the GBC body to likewise call a moratorium on FDGs, and approving of any new gurus, male or female, and conduct a similar study amongst its own members and other leaders around the world.

The Bureau shall present the results of its study on the common core of understanding about the present diksha guru system amongst Indian leaders to the GBC body for discussion, and the moratorium on the FDGs shall continue until a full resolution of the diksha guru system.

ISKCON Juhu Mumbai Meeting Jan 6, 2022

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[PADA: This is interesting. "We have not studied the process of diksha guru with even the most basic terminologies and concepts." We don't even have our male guru program understood, much less under control, never mind making female gurus. Well yup!  

Thus! We have not been able to explain how our "GBC's 2/3 show of hands voted and approved gurus" i.e. "God's eternal pure devotee guru successors" keep falling down into: scandals; illicit sex with men, women and children, and maybe cats; drug taking; Vodka drinking; porno watching; gambling in Reno; dating minor aged females; having half dozen female sex partners; eating chicken salads -- and so on ad infinitum -- which is not how the word "guru" is defined almost anywhere -- even in mundane society. 

Agreed. There is no "common core" understanding of the term guru. Well yep, when many Radhanath followers think it is good to bury pedophiles in the dham, while other followers of other GBC gurus told me that is an abomination to the dham. And the list here is endless, for example many GBC gurus disapproved of Bhakti Tirtha swami's lecturing about -- the subterranean demons, the lost continent of Mu, Egyptian Gods are bona fide, space aliens are coming here to infiltrate us humans and cause troubles on planet earth, etc. Of course -- nothing of substance is ever done to correct these things -- evidently?  

Where in the Vedas do we find any of these behaviors in the "guru parampara from Krishna"? We do not. And so this is a good idea, let us put everything on hold until we can explain -- the system we already have in place -- of making falling down people if not full blown deviants into Krishna's alleged "acharyas"? 

This is a guru system which Bhakti Vikas swami himself describes as -- one after another -- "crashing jumbo jets." How can an airline function when its airliners keep crashing left, right and center -- burning up most or all the passengers? That airline will go out of business, and the chairman will go to jail for criminal negligence. 

The good news is that Bhakti Vikas and others sometimes say that we should not worship some parts of their condom-pada acharya's program, thus they are right some of the time. The bad news is, BVKS and others still want us to worship the same deviant founder fathers who originally created, sustained and covered up for their condom-pada acharya's program for years on end. 

And the GBC did not resolve these crises until thousands of people were malefic affected -- and the zones were devastated, often bankrupted, and with thousands of lives ruined, and ISKCON in the media headlines with all sorts of terrible publicity. Never mind that -- their rejecting our complaints about the child molesting then generated a $400,000,000 child molesting lawsuit -- and that issue was in all the worldwide media -- and that resulted in a financially --if not morally -- bankrupted ISKCON.

And ISKCON itself is ruined in large part as a result. A devotee sent me a history of New Vrndavana where it started to fall apart as the income went "down to a tiny trickle of what it once was in its glory days." Yep, and that happened to many / most zones, things started to fall apart -- the wheels came off and there was a big crash. And the GBC did not notice there was a problem? 

Even ordinary people on the street know this guru circus of debauchees, pedophiles, condom-padas, drunks shooting at occupied buildings etc. is not connected to the actual guru successors of the actual SUPREME GOD. Nor would such a guru clown circus give people proper knowledge aka "divyam jnanam" (the first part of diksha). 

The new ISKCON citizens are being told Krishna's gurus are often: homosexuals, pedophiles, debauchees, drunks, porno addicts, gamblers, designer drugs dealers etc. Which is one reason why ISKCON is about dead in the Western Countries, people here just do not think any of this is "guru" standard. This is not proper divyam jnanam, therefore it is not proper diksha. And if the information is bogus, then resolving the sins (the ksha in diksha) is not possible. 

Indeed, anyone who says Krishna's successor gurus are often debauchees and deviants is committing severe guru aparadha. It is one of the ten offenses to say gurus are ordinary and fallen men. Of course, the GBC does not even find ordinary men -- like my local Hindu 7-11 manager -- to be their gurus, they go way out of their way to find deviants -- like homosexuals, pedophiles, porno swamis, designer drugs business gangsters, drunks etc. to be their messiahs. 

Sulochan said a dog is more advanced than a GBC guru because a dog won't ban, beat, sue, molest and -- kill -- Vaishnavas, so the GBC is not advanced enough to worship a dog. That is correct. The correct idea is -- the guru must be a pure devotee, not a debauchee. 

That is the basic idea we were all taught early on when we were brand new bhaktas in ISKCON. We should never consider the guru as an ordinary man, conditioned soul, sexual predator, pedophile and in sum -- a fallen soul. That is called the mad elephant offense. 

Sivaram swami now admits he is a conditioned soul, thus he is "constant pain" from taking karma as a diksha guru. OK he is not authorized to be taking anyone's karma. The guru is giving pure divyam jnanam (di), and he is also absolving the sins of the aspiring devotee (ksha). AKA Diksha. But if the aspiring devotee by-passes that system and he tries to give pure divyam jnanam and absolve and / or absorb the sins of others, he will fail to save others, and fail to save himself. Rather false gurus go to hell and so do their followers. 

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Srila Prabhupada...."There is no difference between me and my picture. Therefore we should honor and keep pictures in that spirit. If we throw pictures this way and that way, that is offense. The name and picture are as good as the person in spiritual world. In the material world either picture or person, everything is illusion. The spiritual master accepts the sinful activities of his disciples from the first initiation. I may give initiation very easily, but what can I do? I am prepared to go to hell for service of Lord Caitanya."

Srila Prabhupada's letter to Mother Jadurani d.d. September 4, 1972

[PADA: Illicit sex deviants and pedophiles like Lokanath are "accepting the sins of others -- because they are another Jesus"? NOPE! They cannot resolve their own sins.]  

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GBC is still recommending people to take diksha from Jayapataka swami. So he can ingest another few million more years of bad karma from followers? Well he is already going to hell for taking sins from tens of thousands of other folks, why not add another few millions of years bad karma by adding more disciples? 

What difference does it make at this stage? Hee hee, good question. That is what someone asked, since JPS is already going to hell for millions of years with tons of accumulated karma, what is the problem if he adds a few million more years here and there by adding a few more hundreds of pounds weight to the existing tons of sins he is taking with him? 

And then again he ALSO has to go to hell for orchestrating all the banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing of Vaishnavas, also millions of years debts of karma. If they add a few more million years in the lower regions here or there, it does not even register on the karma weight scale, since he already has tons of karma weights accumulated already. Hee hee, agreed! Of course all the other GBC who supported him are co-conspirators in his karma, and they will share a room with him in Yamaraja's prison.

Anyway let us review what the problem is with their guru system, according to themselves: 

 

Whereas the diksha guru system the GBC body has currently in place is not clear on many fronts, such as: the meaning of 1st and second initiations; the relation of the two initiations to the process of giving divya jnana defining diksha as per Srila Prabhupada who quotes Srila Jiva Goswami; the place and the role of the Diksha guru as per that system in ISKCON; the qualifications of the diksha guru; the relation of this system to the larger context of Guru tatva itself as per our Siddhanta,

"Not clear" (!!!) would be an understatement. For example what are the qualifications of a diksha guru? Well first of all -- he has to be a resident of Krishna loka, he has to be fully Krishna conscious, he has to be as good as God, he has to be free from anarthas, he has to be as pure as Jesus in order to absorb sins like Jesus, and so on and so forth. Clearly the GBC gurus are not on this level.

Neophyte devotees can only act as agents / representatives / ritvik priests / laymen / Church elders / and basically -- shiksha or advisory gurus -- and not as full blown parampara members and diksha gurus. 

Some student in the Mayapur ISKCON disciples course wrote to complain to me about PADA, but he admits that he is being taught that his guru might end up being a demon or asura. What kind of religion teaches its followers that your guru is probably going to fail -- because most of our gurus have failed? In fact, your "2/3 show of hands GBC approved guru" is very likely to be -- a demon. 

OK and that begs the question, why is the GBC voting in demons or potential demons as Krishna's parampara members? There is God, He is pure, therefore His successors are often -- demons? 

Most people are not going to put their trust in such a process, indeed most people are going to joke and laugh that such a system of "most of our gurus already fell down, but just before they fell down, they voted in the current wave of gurus" even exists anywhere. It is a farce and most common people ALREADY all know that, so they are not going to be attracted. 

So this is a good proposal, put everything on hold and discuss these issues. And one of the main complaints is really -- once these gurus are in an ivory tower thinking they are as good as God -- they stop listening to the citizens and only allow their yes men into the office, and so our complaints never reach the higher echelons. Then they are more and more out of touch with the actual situation on the ground. 

For example, after so many women complained about the child molesting, then they told me how they were totally devastated that Bhakti Vikas swami would write "Women, Mothers or Masters"? They said to me -- BVKS is a huge cheer leader of a mass child abuse guru program -- and there is a ton of evidence BVKS' program in a number of cases starved, beat, molested and generally abused many of our children -- or our friend's children. 

All this because his program downplays the complaints of child molesting from us women -- and they are proud they squashed our women's complaints and allowed child beating and sexual abuse to go on left, right and center? 

And Sulochan said they are a "baby raping sampradaya." Of course we cannot listen to him, so they orchestrated killing him -- to protect their baby raping process evidently? That means -- they are out of touch. Or worse, they are actively opposing the people exposing their self-generated problems -- to the peril of the citizens -- especially children. 

Or else it means, they want to cut you and then put salt in the wounds? They did not listen to us women, or Sulochan, and then thousands of children were molested. And so now we women should just be quiet and be happy BVKS program helps orchestrate mass child neglect, with starving, beating, sexual abuse resulting in -- suicides of victims. And all that is the result of their -- not listening to us mothers? And they are proud as peacocks they caused all this terrible suffering to others? 

And so now they evidently think they did a good job by having Krishna's kids lives ruined, along with ISKCON being ruined, and the mothers of the molested kids lives being ruined etc. And they are proud of that? So that is the result of thinking one is the sum total of the demigods, when one is not. One becomes arrogant and starts to cause severe pain to others, but because one is suffering from psychopathic narcissism, one does not even know or care about the suffering of others. Many people tell me these people are criminally insane dangerous psychopaths. Worse, there are a number of people who say these leaders actually enjoy seeing others suffer. 

So all of this needs to be reviewed and repaired. And unless it is, ISKCON will simply keep going down the drain, which some people think was their goal in any event. ys pd

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