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[PADA: This is a big discussion on the process of debates in ISKCON. OK and the GBC says -- since 1978 -- that Krishna's successors, messiahs and acharyas are often -- illicit sex with men, women and children deviants; sexual predators; pedophiles; porno swamis; drug addicts; Vodka drinkers; supporters of a giant pedophile webs and nests process, and so many other things in an encyclopedia sized lists of deviations -- we could not list them here.
But we are supposed to be "independent thinkers basing discussion on Srila Prahbupada's books." OK and Prabhupada's books say that "gurus" in the above system, and participants / enablers / cheer leaders / supporters / sycophants / paid lackeys in this type of guru parampara, are all going to the lowest and most obnoxious regions -- along with their leaders.
"There is a big attrition rate among devotees," well no kidding, because anyone who disagrees with their pedophile messiah's process is booted out, sued, banned, harassed, vilified, demonized, exiled, beaten, and maybe -- shot to death. A devotee just wrote to tell me "our temple is full of violent thugs, who will beat up anyone who questions." This is the process of "Vedic debates"?
And the devotees who stayed in the pedophile's messiah's program -- are the ones who truly understood the siddhanata?, -- that pedophiles and deviants -- are, were or could have been -- links in a chain of God's successors? We are hearing properly, when we accept the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's process? And did we forget to mention, one of their gurus is alleged to be -- sex with cats? And Sivarama says he is in constant pain from taking karma, because he forgot -- neophytes are forbidden to take karma?
Where is any of this found in Srila Prabhupada's books? So this is the first problem, anyone who asks about any of this is -- shut out and shut down. And this can be a violent process as well, this regime does not shy away from beating and worse to "dissenters." This is not a free thinker's society, as we can say from the experience of thousands of people. And trying to paint this as a free thinking society is simply a honey trap to entrap more victims. ys pd]
The big leaders wanted to defend Laxmimoni. These people have no religion, no empathy and no common sense.
ReplyDeleteWhen Laxmimoni was in charge of the gurukula in Seattle in the late seventies, I was given a tour of one of the girl's ashramas. I was horrified to see a little girl standing face against the wall with underpants over her face.
When I questioned the ashrama teacher she told me that this was how they discouraged the 5 year olds from wetting their pants. Furthermore, she informed me, this girl was particularly dishonest because instead of telling her ashrama teacher she had wet her pants, she had folded them and put them in her drawers.
Who to complain to? Laxmimoni was in charge and the co-temple President was the sadistic Padyavali. And the leaders are still in sympathy with these abusers, because they are like-minded.
M Dasi: Still selling Satsvarupa's books here. "The more I chant, the drier it gets." These people are jokers when they say Srila Prabhupada is their authority. Anyone who quotes Srila Prabhupada is immediately an offender demon. There is no debate and istagosthi here. Pedophiles are gurus ... end of story.
ReplyDeleteLW: This is a little ridiculous. "Both parties" have competing quotes? No. One party says pedophiles are sometimes in Krishna's guru successor's chain. They have ... no quotes to back that up. Zero. Never did have any. Never will have any. Zero.
ReplyDeleteNor does Krishna dharma das provide any. Nor does he even hint what these quotes ... might potentially be. We need to make sure we quote from Srila Prabhupada ... but he fails to do exactly that. We need to debate ... that pedophiles are sometimes Krishna's pure devotee gurus?
There is nothing to debate here. He provides no quotes to "prove with quotes" that the GBC guru system has any authority. There are none.
Srila Prabhupada's quotes say the opposite ... bogus people are not gurus. Ever! Not now, not in 1978, not ever. There is no such thing as fallen down gurus in our parampara. There are no quotes to support their idea. The quotes say ... it is GURU APARADHA offense to consider the guru as a fallen and ordinary man. There are many quotes on both sides? Where? There are no quotes on the GBC side.
They have never shown us where a pedophile can be worshiped as the successor to Krishna. And we are the aparadha group? Which authorizes their goons to attack us?
They are bluffing. This Krishna Dharma das is trying to paint lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig. He is trying to fool people there is some honest "shastra discussion." There is none. The GBC MAFIA says we are gurus ... and even if we have pedophiles as gurus ... you have to accept or get out of ISKCON. Where is the discussion?
This whole thing is cheating and Krishna Dharma is trying to make it look like Vedic scholarly debate. Another attempt to justify all the evil coming from these bogus gurus. People who enable all this are part of the problem. And have been the whole time.
[PADA: Sulochan called them "the goody two shoes boys."]
Dear PADA: Pretty sure Krishna Dharma has financial ties to ISKCON's corrupt leaders. Many of their sycophants, lackeys, helpers, defenders, enablers, apologists -- are simply on the payroll. They always defend the indefensible because -- that is their job.
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