GBC "Bending Backwards" To Appease India ISKCON

But the GBC Body has bent over backwards to try to work with the Indian yatra on this matter

>> I beg to differ.

and the GBC's have presented the philosophy behind their position very clearly.

And that philosophy is egalitarianism, and does not represent what Srila Prabhupada taught in his books, lectures, conversations, and letters.

> They have at least twice previously resolved to implement Female Diksha Gurus / vdg but then put the matter on hold pending further discussion.

Just so it could be said that they were being fair. But in fact they never cared for the Bureau resolution of 2019, wherein it was written:

"Whereas, the members of the Bureau find the said resolution instituting female diksha gurus to contradict established vaishnava practices, traditions, and "culture of the Saraswat line of Gaudiyas" as set down in various vedic scriptures," and,
"The Bureau hereby expresses its strong opposition to the GBC resolution on
female diksha gurus, passed during their 2019 meeting, at Tirupati".

[PADA: Except the India ICC bureau already accepts and promotes a known pedophile "male body guru." So it is evidently "accepted in shastra" to promote known pedophiles as Krishna's successors and acharyas, as long as they are men? 

And hundreds of women, who complained about their pedophile program since 1978 -- were sidelined / banned / exiled due to being branded as -- the non-essential views of "women." And that is why these "GBC men" were sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse, because they rejected the complaints of the women. 

And that is also self - evidently how several thousand children were molested in and around the ISKCON society, these "men authorities" failed to listen to these women, to the peril of ISKCON, and the children of ISKCON. So let us not listen to women, and have thousands of child molesting cases crop up, then we men get sued for $400,000,000, and we men are still proud for rejecting the advice of the women? Wow, no remorse of even concept of it.] 

> The topic has been debated for many years. They can't just wait forever if they feel that the incorrect philosophical conclusions of a section of the society is hindering the fulfillment of the society's objectives. They also have a responsibility to the other yatras of the world and to other individual preachers who may disagree with some of us on this topic. And they are not telling anyone that they have to change their beliefs that are sincerely held or that ISKCON India has to change its preaching tactics. In a big society like ISKCON we have to allow for
differences of opinion. Sometimes it hurts when the GBC makes decisions, but that is part of what Srila Prabhupada's instruction to cooperate means. Don't think that others are not hurt by GBC decisions that we may like.

Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das

Your opinion, oh Bhaktarupa Prabhu, and the opinion of the GBC majority differs from what Srila Prabhupada wrote and taught. As expressed in the Bureau resolution of November 2019:

Whereas, we all know that “books are the basis”, and in our foundational book, Srimad Bhagavatam, 4.12.32, Prabhupada clearly stated that “being a woman Suniti could not be Dhruva’s diksha guru”. The Bureau finds that the said resolution instituting female diksha gurus is in our understanding a contravention of this specific instruction of Srila Prabhupada, and,

Whereas, the effort to institute female diksa-gurus in ISKCON contravenes Srila Prabhupada’s instruction to institute varnasrama-dharma as the social system for ISKCON,

Whereas, Srila Prabhupada did not confer the sacred thread to women, therefore we understand that they are thus unauthorized to confer it to others.

Srila Prabhupada clearly said that "initiation is given to the man, not to the woman":

Woman, they are generally equipped with the qualities of passion and ignorance. And man also may be, but man can be elevated to the platform of goodness. Woman cannot be. Woman cannot be. Therefore if the husband is nice and the woman follows---woman becomes faithful and chaste to the husband --- then their both life becomes successful. There are three qualities of nature = sattva, raja, tama. So rajas-tama, generally, that is the quality of woman. And man can become to the platform of goodness. Therefore initiation, brahminical symbolic representation, is given to the man, not to the woman. This is the theory.

Has the GBC been able to explain why?

No!

Srila Prabhupada quoted shastras (in his purport to CC 15. 108 - the "kiba
vipra kiba nyasi verse":

"Bhakti-sandarbha (283). As stated: dvijanam anupetanam svakarmadhyayanādisu yathadhikaro nastiīha syac

“Even though born in a brāhmaṇa family, one cannot engage in Vedic rituals without being initiated and having a sacred thread. Although born in
a brāhmaṇa family, one becomes a brāhmaṇa only after initiation and the
sacred thread ceremony. Unless one is initiated as a brāhmaṇa, one cannot
worship the holy name properly.”

According to the Vaiṣṇava regulative principles, one must be initiated as a brāhmaṇa."

Why did Srila Prabhupada and Srila Siddhanta Saraswati give the sacred
thread to non-dvijas and mleccha and yavana men, but not women?

The GBC has not explained these things. Prabhupada did not intend for women to be the gurus. Here is the proof:

Satsvarūpa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, is this school for women also, or just for men?

Prabhupāda: For men. Women should automatically learn how to cook, how to
cleanse home.

Satsvarūpa: So they don't attend varṇāśrama college?

Prabhupāda: No, no. Varṇāśrama college especially meant for the brāhmaṇa, 
kṣatriya and vaiśya. Those who are not fit for education, they are śūdras. That's all. Or those who are reluctant to take education—śūdra must. That's all. They should assist the higher class. 

[From Srila Prabhupada's morning walk at Vrindavan on March 14, 1974

What Bhima Prabhu wrote is correct. The GBC majority ought to have had the
better sense to understand just how divisive the FDG issue is. They have not, and have proven that Srila Prabhupada's words were true:

"Actually I have not given any of you sannyasa. But I am in a war with Maya,
the material energy, and I need leaders." He said, "It is called in wartime
- battlefield commission." There are no qualified leaders, but someone has
to lead the charge. So you take every fifth man. "You are now lieutenant of
the squad. He is really a private, but we make him lieutenant for the day
and he leads the charge." Then Prabhupada said, "It is to be understood that
you are not sufficiently equipped for this fight and most of you will go
down."

[From https://srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/3811].

Bhaktarupa Prabhu, I for one totally disagree with what you have written and
your outlook on the issue. ISKCON was fine without FDGs. The fact of the
matter is that in the West, our compatriots were unable to inspire a new
generation of devotees, for whatever reason, as has been the case here in
India.

That they feel that FDGs is some sort of "magic potion" that is going to
fill up their temples with new adherents is an "akaash pushpa" -- a flower
in the sky!

It was the sincere preaching efforts of the devotees in the 1960s and 70s,
who were directly inspired by Srila Prabhupada who accomplished that, and
somehow - LONG story -- it did not continue, particulary in the USA and
Western Europe (the same is not the case in Russia and the Ukraine, but it
is besides the point. Fact is that ISKCON has progressed in Eastern Europe
without FDGs).

dasabhas,

Basu Ghosh Das

> > The GBC is meant to keep the society together. Is it the business of the
> > GBC to make big big controversy? In 1976 the GBC decided all
> > householders must leave the temples which are meant only for Sannyasis
> > and Brahmacaris. The householders complained and Srila Prabhupada told
> > the GBC to drop the idea. So, here also the GBC has decided something
> > very controversial. Should the GBC as in 76 drop the idea? The vdg walas
> > might be right but it is not the time, by dint of the fact it is
> > creating such a big controversy in the society. If the Indian GBCs would
> > have voted against it this controversy would not have happened. So, now
> > the dye is cast but a question remains in the mind of every GBC that
> > voted in favor. Will the Indian Yatra simply accept the result and move
> > on? Seems that question is now answered with a big fat no.The need of
> > the hour is to dive deep into the siddhanta and come up with a clearly
> > articulated paper on initiations in ISKCON. Ys

> > Bhima das

[PADA: Except one of the main leaders of the "Female Diksha Guru" [FDG] process is Bhakti Vikas Swami's hero, mentor and sannyasa guru -- Jayapataka swami, who is based in India. JPS says he accepts the authority of the SABHA committee, not the India ICC. The SABHA is comprised of many USA leaders and tends to be aligned with Hrdayananda's sahajiya "Krishna West." 

And they are the main group promoting the FDG program. Of course Jayapataka already supported the promoting of his illicit sex with men, women and children "men gurus" previously, he just wants to add more conditioned souls to Krishna's eternal guru parampara -- now there will be conditioned souls women in their guru parampara as well. 

And the India ICC folks have never condemned Jayapataka's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara system all along, which was established in 1978, and has enjoyed Lokakanath swami's and his ISKCON ICC's ilk member's support the whole time. 

Worse, some of the India ICC Bureau people wrote to tell me that because I am not promoting their pedophile acharyas system, I am "like a bogus Christian." Ummm, the Christians are bogus because they do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children as their guru?

In fact ICC hero Lokanath swami is one of the people voted into their illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara. Later on the Lokanath / ICC ilk folks added more items to their eternal parampara from God -- such as -- sex with cats, condom-pada, porno swamis, Vodka-pada, etc. and a lot more bogus material was added to their "guru parampara from God." 

But since most women are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, they cannot be allowed to take the post of messiah in the ICC's pedophile messiah's club. We really cannot have people who are not prone to illicit sex with men, women, children, and cats, being worshiped as good as God, according to ICC high shastra standards. 

And that is why the ICC people told me "we only follow strict Vedic standards" -- such as having ISKCON children worshiping pedophiles as their acharyas. They even told me -- many children are worshiping their pedophile acharya.]

Raghubir now Bhakti Chaitanya Swami

"MY INDIA FAMILY EXPLOITING BUSINESS"

He cannot determine if pedophiles are Krishna's Gurus or not

and he needs to form a "PEDOPHILE GURU RESEARCH COMMITTEE"

And they still cannot say for sure, since 1978?

"Intelligence in the mode of passion is always working perversely. It accepts religions which are not actually religions and rejects actual religion. All views and activities are misguided. Men of passionate intelligence understand a great soul to be a common man and accept a common man as a great soul. They think truth to be untruth and accept untruth as truth. In all activities they simply take the wrong path; therefore their intelligence is in the mode of passion."

(Bhagavad-gita :- Chapter 18: Conclusion-The Perfection of Renunciation, Text 31, Purport)

Even some Hindus complain that Vaisesika cannot 

attract Western people ... and his program

"has failed in the USA"

YEP!

[TOLD YA! ys pd]

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