PADA: We keep hearing this ISKCON GBC idea, that in the eternal guru parampara from Krishna, it is common for acharyas to fall down into deviations; even illicit sex with men, women and children. And acharyas commonly become drunks, child molesters, drug addicts, criminals, Reno gamblers, child dating swamis, porno swamis, even people who fall down into eating chicken salads etc. Very common in the eternal parampara from God!
And people like Bahushira have been saying all along -- acharyas falling down is so common, it has been going on forever -- and was going on even when Lord Chaitanya was present. Wait! Srila Prabhupada says that to consider the acharyas as ordinary, common and / or fallen men is one of the ten offenses to the holy name, and indeed it is the mad elephant offense. But now all of a sudden, deviated acharyas are not only going on now, they have been going on all the time!
Notice also that Bahushira says that conditioned souls can be diksha gurus and absorb the sins of others, because they can take the role of another Jesus. And Bahushira supports guys like Trivrikrama swami, Hanumat Prakesh swami, Satsvarupa das goswami, Prithu das and many others can act as another Jesus who can absorb sins.
Wait! Srila Prahbupada says conditioned souls cannot be diksha gurus and absorb other's sins, they do not have sufficient brahmana tejyas to burn off these sins -- so they have so suffer reactions from absorbing other's sins. And in this way Bahushira is making his God brothers suffer terribly from taking sins, including getting sick, falling down and dying. And then his false Jesus' are going to hell where they have to go -- to burn off these sins. "Burning off" being the literal translation!
OK so Bahushira is killing off his own God brothers by loading them up with sins, and then packing them off to hell to burn off these sins. Then Bahushira tells people to take initiation from guys like Gopal Krishna swami, because he buries homosexuals and pedophiles and porno swamis in samadhi in the dham. Wait! Wasn't ISKCON sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse for worshiping these exact same deviants and pedophiles?
No problem, that is chump change for these ISKCON money spenders. $400,000,000? No problem, whatever it costs so we can keep our homosexual and pedophile guru lineage going on. And this lineage was going on when Lord Chaitanya was here, what is the problem? The first problem is: that in order to keep your homosexual and pedophile guru program going, your guys program is banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing the Lord's devotees to keep your good molester messiah's ship afloat.
And now, my friend who drives around the USA on his job, says everywhere he goes, the temples are empty. There is a handful of people at Mangala Arotike, sometimes only one or two people. It is evident that Bahishira's pedophile messiah's program is losing people left, right and center. And this devotee sees some imported Bengalis are doing services here and there, maybe some people imported from Poland or Ukraine. OK this is resulting from their dead idea that acharyas are often deviants. Their temples are dying.
The only good news is, the people who say acharyas are deviants are committing the mad elephant offense, so they will never be forgiven by Yamaraja and they will go where the sun never shines for a long duration, so we won't have to hear them keep telling us Krishna and His eternal chain of guru parampara are a bunch of debauchees.
Sorry, the parampara from God is as pure as God, eternally. There are no deviated acharyas. Nor are acharyas voted in, voted out, suspended, censured, removed for deviations, and excommunicated etc. This is all applied to conditioned souls, not liberated acharyas. Notice that Bahushira is not citing anything from Srila Prabhupada, especially where Srila Prabhupada says, it is the mad elephant offense to offend and criticize the acharyas, unless, you are Bahushira, then you have a license!
The other good news? Bahushira's fallen down acharyas know exactly what hellish life they will have when they leave here! They know when their temporary guru show bottle play act is over, the real fun begins, when they have to spend time in Yama's prison house. Of course Bahushira's program is promoting this art and its artist as "art from a guru from Vaikuntha." Wonder why their temples are empty?
Yes as a matter of fact we do not want to be like the bogus ritvik Christians, they will never worship illicit sex with men, women and children (and cats), even if you give them ten million dollars! Why? They are afraid of going to hell with this crew.
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LW: You mean after all their illicit sex gurus, banning, beating and killing devotees, ginormous lawsuits, murders, suicides, starving children, molesting and beating children, ruined marriages, women with no shelter -- now living like old bag ladies with no money, horrible news medias ... poisoning pure devotees ... and who knows what else, this commonly happens when people worship pure devotees?
ReplyDeleteOh no! This is the result of worship of these Bahusira people's non-devotees ... making pretend they are pure gurus ... we all know that? That is the real reason their temples are empty too. No normal person thinks this is "common activity in the parampara from God or Krishna."
They took ISKCON to hell. If going to hell is "common" after worship of pure devotees ... no one will come. At least sane people won't. If it is "common" for people ... advertised to be taking sins "like Jesus" ... to be predators and pedophiles ... then they will have pedophiles running about all over their society.
Oh yeah! I forgot. They DO have sick pedophiles running all over their society ... and even running their society as its gurus. It is "common" for people who worship pure devotees to have all these problems? Then no one will bother. Is that not the plan?
Let us advertise hell as heaven .. then no one will want to go to heaven ... and we can keep the people of earth trapped in hell here forever. Isn't that what Satan's servants wanted all along?
It is common for people who are as good as Jesus ... to be lower class scum-bags than the lowest piece if crap child molesters in prison? And that is what Bahushira thinks God wants to teach us? No, they are not going to hell, they already are hell personified.
M DASI: Someone told me Bahushira is good friends with Radhanath swami. After it was all public told ... Radhanath swami went to LA to help Ramesvara set up the murder hit on Sulochan. That is how the pedo-guru lover club deals ... with those who disagree. (???)
ReplyDeleteSame old ... same old ... creepy and crappy ideas they started in 1978. A) Homosexuals and pedos are often gurus in Krishna's chain of gurus. No worries! Pedos have always been in the chain ... after all it is eternal! Eternal and pedos? This is a dream come true for the pedo-lovers.
B) And if anyone foolishly disagrees ... they will be made out as offenders! That is offensive prabhu! And they will have the offenders banished from the kingdom, vilified, demonized, hunted down like the fox hunt, maybe killed. OK never mind ... most are just not going to go there anyway ... and what for? Mass boycotts everywhere ... like here!
They really do not have any other mantra since 1978 do they? They have countless "reforms" ... but the main idea never changes. Then they wonder why the mothers are not coming ... with their kids?
Oh here we go! Let us make women gurus ... in the homosexual and pedo guru club. That will fix everything! No ... it is even more disgusting than before. Now they want to drag us poor women into their pedo guru club webs and nests ... and get us stuck in there along with themselves.
Why do I need a pedo guru club guru certificate in the first place? Cannot wait to get mine to hang in the living room! Really! WTF! This is a pedo guru lover club ... and that is all it ever has been ... and all it ever will be. They are not going to change their main idea ... pedos are often in the parampara ... eternal and forever.
I agree ... that means they have to all go to hell for pretty much ... forever. Krishna cannot allow their pedo-lover guru club to last for long. They will end up in the sewer drains of history. Krishna does not like these pedo guru club's people ... and that is why they are being exposed everywhere, their temples are empty, and their gurus are getting sick, falling down and dying. Krishna is stomping them down ... slowly, surely and gradually. But for sure!
Of course, only an actual devotee of Krishna can see how this is working. Now I am telling my friends all about them ... so their support network just gets smaller every day. That is all we can do ... save people from their pedo guru's lover's club ... and try to get them to worship the actual parampara ... and avoid these pedo-lover's guru people.
There is no such thing as a homosexual and pedo guru parampara ... no matter how much they try to twist Krishna's words to make that happen. They are the people Srila Prabhupada warned us about ... twisting the shastra to promote deviation. And there is not much worse deviation than a pedo-lover guru club ... really ... is there?
I am glad Bahushira comes out and admits he is one with them. Let them all be counted one by one ... so we know who they are and what they are saying. We should make a special web site with all their faces and all their statements for historical record. Pedo-guru clubs are eternal ... what a sh*t piece of work this guy is.
Bhakta Jojo: Every sex perv on the planet ... and their enablers ... dreams of making sex pervs into "links" in God's eternal chain of gurus and successors. That is like the crown jewels of the sex pervs agenda. What better way to glorify sex pervs ... than to say they are eternal links and members of God's eternal guru chain ... and they keep re-appearing all the time ... eternally.
ReplyDeleteThis is an agenda. No surprise either ... Satsvarupa's art has FBI identified symbol for "little boy lovers." No surprise people in ISKCON distribute his writings all over their temples. Required reading! Their people slam his books into my face all the time!
This is all coming together really ... after it took time for some slower brains to catch up. They made sex pervs into their gurus ... and then they made their enablers and helpers into the second in command ... next in line authorities. It is a power structure ... meant to have pervs in God's line of succession. Whole foundation of their entire program. That is why they have to bury their pervs in samadhis ... to keep their bogus "eternal guru" idea going.
Who is buying it nowadays? Nearly no one. Yes ... well known fact .... their temples are nearly empty ghost towns. For these guys to keep saying there are some sex pervs in the chain of gurus from God ... has been their motto all along.
Every day they lose customers. Then they have nice big empty buildings to make into a Hindu -- rake in the dough -- business by showing the deity. They are using Krishna deity show as a business ... but the way they cleaned the decks ... by having all this child molesting ... beatings and murders ... is never going to be approved by Krishna ... or almost cent percent of the devotees of Krishna.
It is really amazing ... they do not believe in Krishna but they dress like pukka devotees. Correction. They hate Krishna and that is why they made many of the ISKCON kids also hate Hare Krishna. I have many "gurukuli" friends ... and they hate the religion ... and its leaders ... and apologists ... like Bahishira. Prime example of what they hate about Hare Krishna. They wanted ISKCON people to hate Hare Krishna and leave ... so they could empty out the buildings and cash in. And live like princes.
They really are worse than the atheists. At least atheists don't make massive level child molesting ... some murders ... and samadhi perv worship ... to conduct their business ... even if they cheat people in other ways ... they know these tactics are off limits for human beings.
Yes there are always sex pervs in the guru chain from God ... according to ... the people who hate the guru chain from God. They wanted to put Krishna's guru chain in the sewer ... which means they take their next birth in the same sewer.
First ... they need to go to the planet where people have their anus ripped open ... just like they had so many ISKCON kids anus ripped up. They need to first find out what it is like to be under their rule ... and they will. I sort of feel sorry for them. Sort of. To be honest ... they will get what they deserve ... and some of us won't be crying too bad when they do.
GKD: Dear PADA. Right, the GBC gurus lost the battle against the guru of the Christians. In the West, ISKCON has no more spiritual superiority towards the Catholic church.
ReplyDeleteEven Christians have higher moral standing than worship of deviated crazy people. If Satsvarupa can be a pure devotee ... then any fool can be one. They have no standard for pure devotee.
From spiritual point, they should relocate back to India. Actually, the Western ISKCON elite moved already to India for good. They know they cannot compete in the West with Jesus -- by GBC's enforcing worshiping of crazy and deviated people.
But the GBC became tricky and turned the Western ISKCON into a Hindu society hall process. Western ISKCON leaders getting married to Indian Vaishnavis. Constantly importing Indian devotees into the empty temples of Prabhupada's former book distributor maharatis. Many Jayapataka disciples are coming ... and many of them are very illiterate about the Krishna philosophy. They are here to get a salary and ... maybe marry a Western lady to get a immigration visa.
In the EU they play this trick of importing devotees from poor East European countries into the powerful EU social system. So the temples in Italy, France, Benelux, Germany, Scandinavia, Greece, are now packed with economic refugees from Eastern Europe. Preaching that we are not this body has become a clown academy, circus act.
Bahushira is now propagating that ISKCON is a huge success because they transformed ISKCON into a mundane business. This is their understanding of success. The Hindus are donating at western Hindu hot spots and the temples became switchyards for economic refugees.
There is no actual Western preaching even going on anymore. Bring in the Hindus for cash money is their mantra ... all over the ISKCON world. Or go to Poland and fool the poor people there who have no understanding of their evil history ... so they can be exploited.
Bahushira is their stooge scholar and enforcer. Another person who supports fools as acharyas ... so he can be elevated in their bogus guru social network. They want to be the scholars ... who supported fallen people as gurus ... and that is why Srila Prabhupada says ... Krishna casts these "false religionist scholars" down to the darkest hells. Bahushira does not want to be alone down there ... so he is taking as many others along to the darkest hells along with him that he can. That is what these false scholars always do ... they want to drag human society to hell. And they are. And he is just another one of them.
SD: There is a good reason they want us to worship their pedophile friends guru system. They want to keep the world in the mudha status, like themselves. They are envious others might worship the pure devotee and advance from the mudha plane. They are mudhas ... so they want to keep everyone else on the same platform as themselves. They think mudhas are Krishna's successors because they think God is a mudha.
ReplyDeleteThat is the business of the mudhas, they deride the acharyas and make their sexual predator friends into God's acharyas. God is a mudha, so His acharyas are also mudhas, and we will have you beaten if you disagree. Violent mudhas. They do not like the acharyas ... because they expose these mudhas. "IF THEY REMAIN PERSISTENTLY MUDHAS, WHO CAN MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND? VERY DIFFICULT."
Dr. Patel: They do not believe in what you say...
Srila Prabhupāda: Huh? That is the truth. Actually they do not know, and they cheat others, speaking about God. That is the difficulty. All rascals are doing that. And if I say, "All rascals," it is little harsh, but it has to be said. They do not know what is God, and they speak of God. Let them say frankly that "I do not know what is God." That is answered in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19]. If they are sincere, then after many, many births... Kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta... [Bg. 12.5]. They do not know, and they will not accept ācāryopāsanam. The ācārya says, Rāmānujācārya says, Madhvācārya says, big, big ācārya, Caitanya Mahāprabhu... They will not believe them. They will speculate in their nonsense speculation. This is the difficulty. Without going to the ācārya... Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. This is the Vedic process, how one can know. But they will speculate. Ciraṁ vicinvan. Athāpi te deva padāmbuja-dvayaṁ jānāti tattvam... Athāpi te deva padāmbuja-dvayam, leśānugṛhīta eva hi jānāti tattvaṁ na cānya eko 'pi ciraṁ vicinvan [SB 10.14.29]. One who has little mercy of God upon him, he can understand, but others, they can speculate for many, many births; still, they'll never be able. Athāpi te deva padāmbuja-dvayaṁ leśānugṛhīta jānāti tattvam. Leśānugṛhīta eva hi. Leśa. One cannot know God full. That is not possible because you are limited; He is unlimited. Still, if one has learned, at least if one has accepted, "Here is God, Kṛṣṇa. Bas," his knowledge is perfect. If he simply believes only that "Here is God," he can understand. They don't believe that Kṛṣṇa is God. "Eh... He may be very powerful...," so on. Kṛṣṇa says aham ādir hi devānām [Bg 10.2]. Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat [Bg. 7.7]. These rascals will not believe. "So what is there for me?" Mūḍho nābhijānāti. If they remain persistently mūḍhas, who can make them understand? Very difficult.
[Excerpt from Room Conversation-January 2, 1977, Bombay.]
AM DASI: They always says that ... it has always been in the eternal guru "tradition" ... that our gurus are sometimes having sex with men ... women ... and maybe children.
ReplyDeleteThat is what they tell me all the time. Prabhu ... this is the eternal guru tradition! The "tradition" of who? I just cannot remember where Krishna says His gurus are often sex hogs and dogs?
Srila Prabhupada says ... these hogs and dogs gurus are going to the lower plane ... but he never says this is Krishna's guru tradition.
Can anyone show that? No ... they worship sex hogs and dogs and they want others to think ... this is the guru tradition of God.
And why it is their tradition? That way ... they can pass down their worship of illicit sex gurus tradition ... to our children ... and our children's children ... and then they have their pedophiles already in samadhi ... that will be there forever in their tradition. They want our children to worship their sex hogs and dogs and pedophiles so they can make a tradition of that.
They are changing the whole tradition. The real tradition is ... people only worship the pure acharya. They hate that idea. They always tell me ... worship of the pure devotee? Bogus idea! Not in the tradition. We need to worship hogs and dogs ... and pedophile samadhi ... and that is the tradition.
Someone should be reporting these people to the child welfare department as sex deviants who are trying to corrupt our children to worship pedophiles gurus ... as "God's tradition." They are hog and dog tradition ... posing as a religion. The people who want children to worship hogs and dogs behavior are hogs and dogs themselves.
They have no religion at all. Even atheist does not worship the hogs and the dogs behavior ... they have more higher standard. Our neighbor had to get his rabbit fixed because he was jumping on all the other animals and he would even grab my leg and start his business. And this rabbit trying to have sex with everything ... is their guru?