Saturday, January 1, 2022

Sinful Acharyas Need No Attonement / ISKCON ICC

Dear Basughosh Prabhuji,

Please accept my humble obesainces. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Can you send this mail and attachment to all the Bureau Members or Bureau Conference.

Your servant,

Krishnabhakta Das.


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From: Krishna Kirti Das (Convenor, IISB) <convenor@iisb.co.in>

Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 9:05 AM

Subject: Vedic Law in Gaudiya Tradition and Lokanatha Maharaja

To: krishnabhakta das Noida Iskcon <kbd.lok@gmail.com>

Dear Krishnabhakta Prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

With regard to the impending decision regarding the case of Lokanatha Māhāraja, please find attached in this message a paper from the ISKCON India Scholars Board on the application of vyavahāra (legal procedure) and prāyaścitta (atonement / punishment) as applied in the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava tradition. The paper is brief and full of śāstric references, some of which have never been presented or translated before within our Vaiṣṇava society.

For the executive summary, please keep reading this email after my signature.

On behalf of the devotees at the ISKCON India Scholars Board, we humbly appeal to you to please carefully review these śāstric references.

Your servant, Krishna-kirti dasa

Convenor

ISKCON India Scholars Board

https://iisb.co.in

Executive Summary

- According to both Pañcarātra and Vaidika texts, prāyaścitta for a Vaiṣṇava is different from that prescribed for a non-vaiṣṇava. In the Sat-kriyā-sāra-dīpikā, Śrī Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī states that a Vaiṣṇava should perform prāyaścitta as prescribed in the Nārada-Pañcarātra texts, especially Bhāradvāja-saṁhita verses 3-22 to 25. 

He forbids the other forms of prayascitta such as charity, austerity, yajna etc., as
“smarta-kalpita-nisedhah,” what to speak of judging a Vaisnava based on mundane rules of asuric society.

- Lord Caitanya in his instructions to Sanātana Gosvāmī states that for one who has given up all activities and is engaged in devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead there is no further prāyaścitta needed. 

Even if he is involved in some sinful activity by accident. The Lord as caitya-guru, seated in his heart, will purify him. 

- Srila Sridhara Svami, Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, Srila Jiva Gosvami, and Śrīla Prabhupāda have all added that such a devotee incidentally attains the result of prayascitta by his continuous remembrance of the Lord.

- As per the Vaidika-marga, if a spiritual master is involved in accidental sinful activity such as adultery or even the killing of a brahmaṇa, he can be purified and reinstated by his disciples, or by observing total fasting etc.,

- The Agni Purāṇa forbids inflicting a punishment or prayascitta on anyone (not to mention a Vaisṇava) for the fault that has already been judged and atoned for.

- There is no mention of removing a person (Vaiṣṇava) from the position of guruship, even for sins as heinous as brahmahatya, and even a sin such
as brahmahatya does not necessarily mean that a guru is no longer bona
fide, as the example of Vaisampayana shows.

Website article:

https://iisb.co.in/2021/12/29/vedic-jurisprudence-and-atonement/

[PADA: Here we go again! We already have -- illicit sex acharyas, Vodka acharyas, porno acharyas, condom acharyas, homosexual acharyas, pedophile acharyas, sex with taxi drivers in the dham acharyas, but something is missing! Hey, someone forgot to add "sinful acharyas" to the unknown acharya's species list!

This is more or less what they said way back in the day in 1979 with Jayatirtha. Yep! He is an acharya. Yep he is very sinful! Indeed JT has been engaged in illicit sex and intoxicants, but there is no need for JT to perform any rectification or attonement -- because Krishna will rectify him from within the heart. Fer sure! 

And [yep, this IS what they said in 1979] besides, sinful acharyas need no attonement since they are already fully connected to Krishna -- so they are really not performing any sins, it just APPEARS that they are sinful! And therefore the REAL Jayatirtha is not performing these sins, the person we are seeing performing sins is the MAYA Jayatirtha -- who merely looks sinful. It is an illusion! This was the Lokanath program's argument at the time.

And top leaders like Kirtanananda said, the sinful JT is an illusion -- just like Ravana thought he had the real Sita. OK so the Lokanath / India ICC ilk program tries to lump in Jayatirtha's sins -- with Mother Sita (the consort of God) -- right out of the gate! 

Sinful people are God's successors and moreover they are exactly in the same category as Mother Sita -- the consort of God no less! And the ISKCON India ICC folks tell PADA -- since Lokanath's program is blending together illicit sex, drugs, condoms, porno, and pedophiles -- with Mother Sita -- they are doing "great preaching". What are you folks preaching over there? 

And Lokanath swami [and BVKS et al.] has been such a fool -- he has gone along with these folks who are linking (A) Mother Sita -- the consort of God -- to (B) their illicit sex with men, women and children ACHARYA's project. So Acharyas are only appearing to be sinful, therefore we should overlook their evident sins. And all of this is connected somehow to Mother Sita. WTF! 

So when we see a sinful man, his sins are an illusion, just like the Maya Sita is an illusion? And fools like Lokanath have supported these odious claims and the people promoting same. Why can't Lokanath's program understand that illicit sex, drugs, pedophiles -- and Mother Sita -- are NOT to be blended together EVER, by anyone! This is MOST SINFUL and it will never be excused by Krishna or any agents of Krishna. 

OK never mind, sign me up! I'd like my sins to be like the Mother Sita illusory form as well, that takes care of that. I am off the hook! I'm a sin-free man already! Sure, I robbed the bank, but that was my "illusory" form in the bank, and I was watching football at home in my "real" form! Just like Mother Sita has a real form and a false form! Where do they come up with this nonsense? Sinful men -- are just like Mother Sita! 

It is amazing the ISKCON India ICC / Lokanath swami / BVKS et al. "scholars" cannot distinguish what is (A) Mother Sita / acharya category of divine beings and (B) sinful -- if not illicit sex -- deviant category of fallen beings. They just blend them all together into one big sahajiya mish mash. 

Does Krishna appreciate this? Ummm, well He sends these jokers to the lowest regions of the universe, so evidently, He does not appreciate. Of course, the rascals and atheist class are always trying to link Mother Sita to their sinful activities. It is what they do. These people are called Veda Vada Rata, they link acharyas to sinful men, and thus they fall into worse hells than the normal karmi citizens -- according to shastra.

And then, how did you guess, the JT illicit sex and drugs situation simply got worse, and worse, and worse. And then JT had his head chopped off by a disgruntled disciple who was fed up with JT's illicit sex-capades. Yep! As a matter of fact the GBC was correct actually -- because Krishna did rectify their problem -- indeed He totally eliminated their problem, hee hee! Krishna said, "Hey, let Me send another bogus clown guru to the planet of worms eating rotten dog manure." See ya later! He fixed it for them! 

And in all these years since 1979 -- Lokanath swami and his India ICC partners have never explained -- why -- their program has been linking illicit sex and many assorted other "sins" to acharyas, or why their program has even linked their sex-capades JT's program as -- evidently -- the same process as Mother Sita's program? These guys never seem to explain their own position papers, lectures, statements, GBC reports etc.

And then, many other GBC "acharyas" one by one fell off the wagon and into many other scandals, but they were never required to really compensate for that either. Krishna is going to fix it! But almost always -- Krishna does not fix it, instead things generally get worse, and worse, and worse. 

OK later on they were sued for mass child abuse because yep, Lokanath's illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's program had now burst out all over the place, as it would do if people worshiped the same process. So Lokanath is a big leader of what Sulochana calls "the child raping sampradaya" -- and Lokanath is sinless? How!

And then this guru after the next guru fell down -- to the point many of them were so embarrassed or exposed -- it looked like they would have to leave in disgrace. And then this guru or that guru finally bloops out, runs off with money and / or a woman and so on. And then we find out this guru or that guru was hiding his nasty habits -- of watching porno, or having illicit sex with men and / or women and / or children and / or maybe cats etc. 

But this is all sinless because, they are acharyas? Indeed their sinful acharyas are compared to -- Mother Sita -- of all persons! Even though I am a very sinful man myself, I would NEVER DREAM of equating my sins with MOTHER SITA! Anyway! No problem, acharyas act sinfully, we should expect this, and BR Sridhara Maharaja said "none should protest." Yep, the acharya's sinful orgy partee must continue, because it is "Mother Sita's leela"! 

In fact! Bhakti Vikas swami recently admits -- ISKCON's gurus are like one big pile of crashing jumbo jets. Their gurus crash and burn one after the next, and most of the passengers are spiritually killed off and they leave ISKCON. Where does Srila Prabhupada say the guru parampara is like a constant episode of one crashing jumbo jet after another -- ad infinitum? I forgot, the kamikaze pilots who are crashing these planes -- are like Mother Sita. WHAT! 

Great! BVKS has a crashing jumbo jets guru sampradaya. Which burns out the passengers and so they leave in disgust? Welcome to Vaikuntha! Strap on your seat belt, you might be in fiery plane crash which will burn you up alive. That is what they think is -- Vaikuntha? And the kamikaze pilots who are crashing these jumbo planes full of people are -- sinless acharyas? 

Wait! That is not the process in our parampara. There are no examples of acharyas acting sinfully in our parampara from square one. Srila Prabhupada says that anyone who thinks acharyas are fallen and sinful in the first place -- is committing guru aparadha -- by thinking gurus are ordinary men who can fall into illusion and SIN -- never mind falling into illicit sex and drugs scandals, and so on. 

So it looks like they are always trying to make it look like Krishna's successors are lusty dogs, sinful people etc, and we should overlook these sins because -- acharyas are often lusty and sinful. There is no longer any standard for acharya. In fact now there is no standard even for being Mother Sita category, because they lump Her into their lusty dog process as well as the guru parampara. And the ICC thinks linking their lusty dogs to acharyas / gurus / Krishna / Mother Sita is "25 years of great preaching"? 

Wait! YES! In the normal course of events -- a kansitha Vaishnava does not have to perform attonement -- if he acts sinfully, that is one thing. But a kanistha Vaishnava is a neophyte and that is why he is acting sinfully in the first place. Thus, Jesus does not have to attone for his sins, because he is above the sinful platform. To say Jesus either has to attone or not attone for sins is a bogus argument from square one. He is NOT a sinner from square one, nor are any other acharyas.

It is not that Jesus is a lusty sinner and we should overlook his sins! That is an offense to pure devotees. OK! The lower category / class devotees are the ones who are sinners, but if the perfected devotees are also sinners, there is no progress being made -- even when one is a PHD Professor, one will be unable to pass the six grader's grammar exam.

Of course, then again if a Vaishnava acts as a sexual predator upon a young Vaishnava girl, then he has to attone for that because he has now harmed another Vaishnava person substantially. He cannot just ruin another devotee's life and then not attone for the damage that he has made to other Vaishnavas. There is no license to mistreat another Vaishnava in the process of negating attonement. 

So now we have full scale banning, beating, molesting, suing and even orchestrated assassinating Vaishnavas, and no attonement is ever required by anyone? It is all transcendental leela? It is sinless? 

Notice herein that they are EVEN giving the guru a license to kill a brahmana, and there is no attonement required for that. Now they are saying acharyas might be murderers, but so what, there is no need to fix that? Yep, you are allowed to drive your army tank over the kindergarten children waiting for the bus, but hey, no attonement is required because Krishna has authorized His acharyas to do sins, even murders. WHAT! 

Therefore, whatever evils the GBC gurus are doing is to be forgiven and not seen as a big issue. Dr. Stilson Judah told me -- this is Antinomianism, performing illegal acts and sins on the strength of religion. He said this is the most dangerous program on earth, and they will kill you if they think they can get away with it. 

But it is all sinless? 

So this is what we have come to expect from them, there is no accountability, no remorse, no compensation for the victims, just driving their army tanks over kids waiting for the bus -- and no concern for the victims or anyone else. We knew this was coming, it is what they have done the whole time. Sorry, sinful people are NOT acharyas, nor are they same category as Mother Sita. This is all deviation. ys pd

6 comments:

  1. LW: It is sahajiya. They are mixing contaminated neophyte with acharya. And mixing even abominable, demoniac, fallen, sinful activity with Mother Sita. These ICC India scholars are worse than karmis ... who know deviation is not sinless. Srila Prabhupada says, these sahajiyas are CERTAIN to be going to hell and we should avoid them. ...

    [Without serving Kṛṣṇa according to the vidhi-mārga regulative principles of the pāñcarātrika-vidhi, unscrupulous persons want to jump immediately to the rāga-mārga principles. Such persons are called sahajiyā. There are also demons who enjoy depicting Kṛṣṇa and His pastimes with the gopīs, taking advantage of Kṛṣṇa by their licentious character. These demons who print books and write lyrics on the rāga-mārga principles are surely on the way to hell. Unfortunately, they lead others down with them. Devotees in Kṛṣṇa consciousness should be very careful to avoid such demons. One should strictly follow the vidhi-mārga regulative principles in the worship of Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa, although the Lord is present in the temple as Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa includes Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa; therefore when one worships the Lord according to the regulative principles, the Lord accepts the service in the role of Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa. (Prabhupada purport SB 4:24:45-46)

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  2. I. DASI: Do Not Associate With Apa-sampradayas! There are many bogus guru cults with illicit sex gurus. Some of the cults think their foolish guru is same activity as Mother Sita ... Krishna etc. All of them are going to a dark future. Srila Prabhupada is very clear.

    I notice above they are not quoting Srila Prabhupada about this. These bogus people will be performing attonement for their next 1,000 births ... or more. They will be forced to attone by higher level.

    ... [One who is in the line of disciplic succession cannot manufacture his own way of behavior. There are many so-called followers of the Vaisnava cult in the line of Caitanya Mahaprabhu who do not scrupulously follow the conclusions of the sastras, and therefore they are considered to be apa-sampradaya, which means "outside of the sampradaya." Some of these groups are known as aula, baula, kartabhaja, neda, daravesa, sani, sahajiya, sakhibheki, smarta, jata-gosani, ativadi, cudadhari and gauranga-nagari. In order to follow strictly the disciplic succession of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, one should not associate with these apasampradaya communities. - From Srila Prabhupada's purport to Cc Adi 7.48

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  3. CB: Really not such a total shock ... some of the bogus leaders would start to say any foolish thing to keep their bogus gurus glued together ... and going for another day ... even saying illicit sex and drugs guru is the "Maya Sita." What is shocking to me is ... how do so many "senior" devotees go along with all this nonsense without protesting.

    Kirtanananda was saying illicit sex and drugs is the Maya Sita ... and his was advertised as the biggest devotee community in ISKCON at the time. The biggest ISKCON devotee community full of seniors could not spot ... the problem? I find that to be the biggest problem with ISKCON. All these foolish type things are going on ... everywhere ... leaders are blabbering offensive and nonsense about sex and drugs and ... Mother Sita (???) and so many seniors are just following the lemmings off the cliff ... without even noticing ... this is going off the cliff?

    And then they did not report the molesting to the authority either. How could anyone have tolerated listening to all this for year after year after year? And how could Lokanath swami not even notice this attack on Mother Sita is a problem either?

    The Western people had to point out this problem ... while "India scholars" like Lokanath just jump on the Mother Sita attacker band wagon ... like the rest of them. He has no idea it is his duty to defend Mother Sita ... and not be one of her attackers. That makes Lokanath big part responsible for all these offenses.

    Then seniors and Lokanath ... and ICC people ... and BVKS ... all of them ... follow the lemmings off the cliff ... while they are supposed to be saving us newer folks from these type deviations. You are right ... all this went on and on ... still is going on. Now they are trying to say acharyas are evil sinners ... even pedophiles ... even brahmana murderers ... and no one notices that is ... wrong?

    It is not only leaders who are ones to blame for this disaster ... they had lots of help ... and they still do. Now they are trying to say when acharyas are evil and sinners ... and even if they are murderers ... we should not protest. Is there anything we should protest?

    Of course as soon as we say acharyas should not be evil sinful sex fiends and murderers ... then they immediately remove us ... and keep the sinful. The sinful are the keepers ... the non-sinful have to be removed ... and then they wonder how all this happened? Even more shocking that Lokanath is still promoting these Mother Sita insulting fools and he still has no idea this is sinful and wrong after all this time. As the Gita says ... these in the modes of ignorance cannot tell right from wrong. They just don't know ... because they are ignorant ... and that proves ... they are not acharyas.

    I believe in Vedic ideas ... anyone who insults Mother Sita has a ticket to hell ... and that is why I am doing everything I can NOT to be part of their jumbo jets crashing into the lower regions. Forgive them Lord ... they are clueless.

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  4. R DASA: Sinful people are conditioned souls. They are not gurus, acharyas, the Maya Sita, or anything other than ... defective beings. Srila Prabhupada makes this very clear. Now the GBC wants to (again) say sinful people are acharyas ... but if they are sinful ... they are not acharyas ... nor can they liberate anyone else. Why do they always have to twist the simple statements ... or even reverse the simple statements? It is infuriating to see how they are always trying to change the words of the guru.

    A CONDITIONED SOUL CANNOT DELIVER ANOTHER CONDITIONED SOUL

    The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Hari, is actually the deliverer of all fallen, conditioned souls. No demigod can perform this act of delivering the conditioned souls because the demigods themselves are conditioned. A conditioned soul cannot deliver another conditioned soul. Only Kṛṣṇa or His bona fide representative can deliver him. —A. C. #Bhaktivedanta Swami #Prabhupāda (NOD Chapter 9) Note: This is taken from Bhagavatam 4.21.30

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  5. S DASI: Translation: We mistreated thousands of children ... banished thousands of devotees ... bankrupted ISKCON ... ruined Krishna's reputation in the public ... changed all the books ... made sinful people into acharyas ... but we are not held accountable because ... the Devil made me do it! No attonement ... or even apology needed! The victims can go suck a lemon.

    I think Hanuman Croatia is right ... Bhakti vikas swami is their most honest leader. He says the are making ISKCON into many fireballs jumbo jet crashes ... one after another ... killing most of those on board. I really could not have said it better myself.

    They did not even remove the women and children first like the karmis do when there is an emergency ... like the boat sinks ... these gurus sunk all on board ... including women and children. Everyone suffers equally in their system. And we do not get any attonement because ... you were meant to suffer under us ... because it is your karma!

    And you were meant to have sinful gurus too! Get over it! That is their message of hope for 2022?

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  6. krishna1008January 2, 2022 at 7:26 AM
    GKD: RE Sinful Acharyas Need No Atonement / ISKCON ICC

    Dear PADA

    Prabhupada mentions in 1970 that "the great sinister movement is within our society". As things look right now the present members in ISKCON are actually the great sinister movement. It is now all about minimizing Prabhupada and establishing that gurus are nothing but conditioned souls on the bodily platform [and acharyas are evil sinners].

    That there is no problem with this. When one argues that Christianity won, who in the West needs ISKCON gurus who might fall down with an 80% possibility? They tell you frankly that Jesus is a fabrication that never existed. So today's ISKCON are devotees who in the material world would be poor, poverty-stricken but they figure that Prabhupada's movement is a smart tool to improve your material condition. Bas. Preaching mission complete.

    That's why we never hear of any preaching results from sixty thousand JPS disciples or thirty thousand Indradyumna Swami disciples. It is all about moving to better living conditions, eating sumptuously, and sleeping.

    [PADA: Yep. For example a JPS disciple was imported over to be the temple cook, but as soon as he got his working permit green card, he left the temple and got a job cooking at a meat restaurant. He was only here to get material gains .. and have a foot in the door for USA money. No bhakti at all. Imagine calling his cooking "Krishna prasadam" when he was the cook, as they were doing.]

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