Message from Stockholm ISKCON-ites: Every Soul Matters

EVERY SOUL MATTERS

1. In 90ties, before my first book distribution marathon (which I won) - one guru gave lecture. And He said - “Every soul matters.” I took these words very seriously.

2. I know many gurus from 90ties. I know many disciples from the 90ties. I know that most of these [ISKCON] gurus do not know anything about what thousands of their disciples are doing, and so many are not even gurus anymore. And I know that most of their disciples already -- and for a prolonged period of time -- are not disciples anymore, and will never be them again. I want to ask this guru today - “How is that?”

3. So - therefore - as a father, as responsible father, I have bunch of objections - fundamental disagreements with what happening in our society. With all my soul I disagree with such gurus and with such disciples.

Every soul matters? All my sons are with me. Where are your disciples? Where are your gurus? Do you care? I care. I took these words - “every soul matters” - in to my heart. And You?

[PADA: Yes, many of the devotees who collected hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars for ISKCON were then told they had to leave because they did not support "the new gurus." So these people did not count, only their money counts. We want the money, we do not want the people who gave us the money. So they thought, if we cut the heads off the chickens, we no longer have to feed them -- then we get eggs for free. Oooops, not how it works.]

4. Gurus cannot impact their disciples. Disciples cannot impact their Gurus.
All my sons rigidly follow what I am telling them to do and what to not do.
I knew very clearly - If I will not walk my talk, I will ruin their faith, their trust, their lives.

I am a guru for my sons. Father. With personal example, with faith, with sacrifice, with everything. I did all offenses possible for to not allow anyone to drag my sons down. And most interesting part is - that the greatest danger did not came from school or “karmis” - greatest danger came from ISKCON's "devotees, disciples and gurus." For example - in school - everything is clear. If boy associates with freely wandering girl - it’s prostitution. But in ISKCON - it’s “devotional service”...

5. I know personally dozens of God brothers, who were great book distributors, much better than me, and who were great preachers for tens of years. Collecting millions. They now are poor, without jobs, without qualifications, divorced, sinking in debts, often alone... many live like a bums. What kind of “all lives matter” is this?

6. Vedic system of guru / disciple relationships is a part of natural God's given social system for humans - varnasrama dharma . Father / Son. Husband / Wife. Guru / Disciple. There is no place for crazy jumping from one to another in search after another “pure devotee”, “pure husband”, “pure wife”...

You have got Your dharma, duties - stick to it and try to realize it. But no! “Radha Krishna love”! “Pure devotion”! “Ultimate surrendering”! “Prabhupada allowed”! “Prabhupada did”! “We are higher”! “It’s not for us”... So, it seems, that for some - nothing matter. 

Therefore:

pitā'cāryaḥ suhṛtmātā bhāryā putraḥ purohitaḥ |
nādaṇḍyo nāma rājño'sti yaḥ svadharme na tiṣṭhati || Manu 8.335 ||

“Neither the father or the preceptor (guru) or the friend or the mother or the wife or the son or the priest is unpunishable for the King, when they do not keep within their duty.” Every single soul matters.

[PADA: This is largely good. Unfortunately, this devotee also thinks worship of the pure devotee is "the ritvik deviation." Every soul matters, so let us make sure they cannot connect to the parampara, and let them flounder with no spiritual shelter in the material world. That is simply giving a giant cement block garland to the suffering people who are already drowning in the material ocean. 

Sorry, we need to give them shelter of a pure devotee -- if we actually care for others. We need to care for others and the first thing to do is -- chop off their connection to Krishna via His guru parampara, by telling them that worship of Krishna's pure devotee is "the ritvik deviation." OK so if worship of Krishna's pure guru is a deviation, we are cutting them off from Krishna. How does that help them?

So he still has no idea "who" we should even offer the bhogha and the disciples to. We cannot offer bhogha and disciples to the pure devotee, we should offer things to -- nobody? That will not work as a religion. If we are not even offering bhogha to the pure devotee, then we are eating bhogha because it is not accepted by Krishna. 

If we do not have a system of offering the bhogha, the disciples, and indeed the money, the buildings -- and everything else -- to the pure devotee -- we have no system where people can connect to the parampara. Sorry, offering everything to the pure devotee is the system from time immemorial, it is not a deviation.

It is amazing to me that this devotee says that worship of the pure devotee is "not found in our parampara." Wow. So that means he has no actually named guru for others to worship -- and he will not be able to transmit his process to others. We cannot worship the pure devotee, that is never found in our parampara? 

We should worship someone else -- other than Srila Prabhupada -- but -- who is that other person? We cannot tell you, just leave ISKCON and go find another guru somewhere else. OK so that emptied out ISKCON already. We need to keep draining people out of ISKCON by telling them to go somewhere else to find a guru. OK and that makes ISKCON a ghost town. 

How does that help? That helps the bogus gurus who are glad to take ISKCON's people, and they are. A bunch of ISKCON people go to the programs of "other gurus" even around here in the Bay Area. So ISKCON keeps losing more and more and more people, how does that help anything?  

And so he claims to have something to fix this problem -- as he details above -- but his fix is to keep the same bogus process going -- false gurus and false disciples. Or even -- send them off to other religions and gurus -- who may also be bogus. Sorry, we need to have the worship of the actual guru -- who is actually in the parampara -- to fix this mess. 

Notice he never mentions who this alleged "other guru" is. Same problem we have with some of the other Scandanavia people like Torben, we need to worship someone, as long as it is not Prabhupada. OK so "who" is this other someone? Oh, he has no name, no books, no temples, no nothing, he is a phantasmagoria of nothingness. Sorry we cannot worship nothingness and go back home to Krishna. 

If every soul matters, we need to give them the process of worship of the acharya to help them, otherwise they have no shelter. To have no acharya is making a person rudderless in the storm ... that is not having concern for them, that is helping them sink in the storm. Anyway, he sees the problem, but does not see the solution. And worse, he is saying the solution cannot be applied, so that keeps the problem going.

ys pd]