PADA: In a conversation with a devotee about "karma" an ex-Jayatirtha groupie interjected into the conversation -- to inform us that the PADA editor is simply useless "third hand heresy" -- and of course this same person has said PADA is "fake news" and so on, perhaps for a decade or so. He is my sort of unofficial troll. Jayatirtha's ghost?
OK great, we are the fake news. When we asked where is the web site that contains the "real news," well there is none because he does not want to make his own commentary. Except, he wants to discredit what we are doing. So we are fake news, but there is no need to make the real news? How does that help?
Turns out he was most upset that the book "Monkey On A Stick" does not portray Jayatirtha's story properly. Agreed. There are some "creative writing problems" with that book. However, the overall message: -- (A) that the ISKCON GBC leaders are promoting sexual predators and possibly pedophiles as their messiahs from heaven aka "gurus," and (B) dissenters could end up being treated badly -- if not murdered -- is totally accurate. That was the main objective of the book, and that was accomplished.
Meanwhile, people sometimes forget that when Jayatirtha's "peace Krishnas" came to the Berkeley temple, they saw me sitting outside and said "there is that guy Puranjan, lets get that mother f**ker." And they would have. Except a couple of Hansadutta guys came out of the temple and said, "We don't really like Puranjan, but we like you guys less. And despite there is over 100 of you and only a few of us, we have the guns, so get off the property." OK and that was merely one of a number of bad encounters we had with his program. So that has been my history with this group.
And all that is because -- I cite Srila Prabhupada saying -- that when a guru has sex with a follower, it is like a father having sex with his own daughter. So that means Jayatirtha is an incestuous pedophile, according to Srila Prabhupada at least. Evidently they do not like that, but they forgot that it was not me who said that? I am citing a higher authority.
Then the Jayatirtha groupie said, despite he is always discrediting me -- he does not want to get "roped into the molesting issue." Except, if we are representing victims of pedophiles, and he is discrediting us -- then he is enabling the pedophiles by covering up their actions as "fake news." And that is why some of the members of the pedophile messiah's club cite this Jayatirtha guy against me, just like they cite other pedophile messiah's club lovers like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur guys. Children are getting molested left, right and center, but it is not a problem since it is all PADA's "fake news" and "third hand heresy etc."
Meanwhile, this Jayatirtha guy posts that we souls are all like ships in the night, and we should shine a light so others can be guided in the darkness. Wow, sign me up. Except, as soon as we shine a light on any topic, to warn people of severe danger, he shoots out our lights. And then he makes pretend he has no idea why people are crashing into rocks and icebergs in the dark.
Meanwhile, the person who was in the original conversation said they are upset that I am always posting "my personal history" with these jokers. Can't be doing that. I dunno, it is showing off maybe? Except, if this person had asked me about my history with Jayatirtha and his groupies -- like for example this "ships in the night" guy -- they would not have been confused by our exchanges. Then, evidently, all of the above blocked me from making further comment.
Right! Let us back up a bit here.
Getting back to the karma discussion, anyone who promotes a pedophile guru or de facto one -- like Jayatirtha -- and / or defends his groupies, is getting the karma of promoting pedophiles and / or their groupies. Let us not forget this is the karma of promoting pedophiles and assorted deviants -- as God's guru successors. At the same time -- anyone who says that the people exposing molesters is making "fake news and lies" -- are enablers of molesting.
And there is karma for that. Let us get back to the square one issue, no one is allowed to promote deviants as acharyas, and no one is allowed to promote their cheer leaders, enablers, sycohpants, handlers, apologists, defenders etc. either. There is karma for doing any or all of that as well.
It is amazing how someone could still be upset with Jayatirtha being not portrayed properly, in a book which says Jayatirtha is part of a pedophile guru cabal, but which is factually accurate -- at least on that point. Is it not time to move on? And yes, people who do not want to understand history, are condemned to repeat it. And when they do repeat it, they are simply getting the results of their own karma. That is how the process works.
Jayatirtha's ghost is evidently still here in the shape of some of his followers, because there are evidently people still attached to the worship of this incestuous pedophile and they are apparently sad their program was ended. Or what?
Did I forget to mention, Jayatirtha had his head chopped off slowly -- with a dull knife -- all because -- he is a sexual predator posing as a guru? Ummm, just as Srila Prabhupada says he is? History repeats, so we should be happy when someone details what it is, so we can save our ship -- and other ships -- from hitting the same rocks and icebergs -- over and over and over and over.
Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result, is called madness. We need to move onto a higher principle.
ys pd
LW: Let us study history properly ... and we find terrible rogues like: Kamsa, Ravana, Kauravas, Hiranyakasipu, many others ... have a circle of fanatical followers and "brahmana advisors" ... encouraging their foolish behavior. The associated mob of followers simply ... speeds up the death of their leader. Ditto with Jayatirtha. He has many encouraging fools from his "peace Krishna" followers ... and all they do is ... lead him marching off to the doors of death. Accelerated his demise.
ReplyDeleteAnd they still attack us "doubters." Naturally ... because they cannot admit they caused their own leader to die by their foolish encouraging his train wreck.
Right on ... there is ALSO extreme karma for encouraging ANY or ALL of these rogues. Generally Krishna ALSO kills the bogus followers ... because they are sinful co-operators. It is all the karma put together ... into one big basket ... by Krishna. And we know that nothing changes with Krishna's rules.
Now they are spreading some New Age B.S. Radhanath style crap about ships in the dark ocean ... but they created the dark ocean. And when anyone shines a light on this ... it is all "fake news" so they can keep people in the darkness. With them.
Surely Jayatirtha would know better than us small timer ... his other 10 gurus are ALL bogus too. He still throws ISKCON's children under the bus ... and tells our generation to worship his bogus friends. So he is also helping the whole pedophile machine. And that means ... his followers are part of that karma. Jayatirtha should have protested at the start ... but he wanted to sacrifice the children of ISKCON so he could be seated on a big throne. Same as Kamsa etc.
Now he is going to "the most obnoxious regions of the universe." And his followers helped put him there. And that is why they also go there to join him. It is no surprise they never liked us doubters and still do not. They are all birds of a feather. They lead their leader off a cliff. And now they are leading themselves off the same cliff. Nothing changes until they all turn themselves around. Yes ... they all need to re-read the history ... of what happens to rogues ... and their followers. Hare Krishna.
HDD: I am always being told "forgive them and move on." Seems to me if we keep forgiving them ... when they do not change anything ... our forgiving is "allowing more of same." They are still attacking by removing people ... like they removed one guy in Alachua now. Same old same old. Is this ... same old wine ... new bottle. Don't be fooled! Nothing to forgive here!
ReplyDeletePADA: I was saying this is the "enforced cult ritualistic worship of sexual predators and pedophiles as God's successors." And since we dissenters are banned, maybe also beaten, sued, and sometimes assassinated, we can easily conclude that when we say "enforced" -- we have evidence. And if people worship deviants, then the whole society can be impacted because "we become what we worship" as is stated in the Bhagavad Gita. "Forgiving" this process over and over, simply enables it to continue. Yes still banning people ... nothing has changed. ys pd
PADA: Thanks for your question Bhakti P Dasi. Yes, by later 1979 it was well known -- pretty much everywhere around ISKCON -- that Jayatirtha was having serious illicit sex and drugs problems, and in sum he could not even keep up to the basic sadhana standards of a newer bhakta. Thus he is clearly not an acharya.
ReplyDeleteTherefore, when foolish people still worshiped him after that, they knew darn well they were worshiping a person who was unable to be be qualified as a newer bhakta, never mind a guru. So they wanted to be part of his social beeja club that JT had at the time "The Peace Krishnas," which was using and selling designer drugs.
It is a bogus sahajiya cult and yes, I believe many of his people know they are not following the standards of Srila Prabhupada. So yes, it is basically a case of -- the cheated and the cheated. And yes, he mislead them, but the followers all went along with him on the same path. And that is what lead to Jayatirtha's death. So he lead them to the path of his own death, but they were also pushing him on that path. Thus they have combined karma as cheaters and the cheated. That is why shastra says the bogus gurus go to the lowest planets, but so do his followers, it is combined karma.
At the time Jayatirtha was murdered, his gang was alleged to be the biggest distributors of the drug "ecstacy" in the UK. How do his people not know this is bogus? Because they do not want to know. And that is why our Jayatirtha left over remnant friend -- who always harasses me -- is obsessed with challenging me. He is still trying to paint the history of Jayatirtha more favorably -- and he is upset we are painting JT as the leader of a violent criminal drug sales cult, which wanted to kill me and therefore could easily have killed other dissenters.
Unfortunately, we know much of the history of this because we are eye witnesses, and we are not really interested if a few minor historical details are not accurate, the overall idea is that JT is a sexual predator / de facto pedophile and he has been making his followers believe he is the next messiah, and therefore the followers are co-responsible for the whole situation, including his untimely death. They contributed to his death by encouraging his foolishness, and therefore they share in the karma of promoting a bogus guru.
And yes, some people tell me they are tired of hearing the history, and so then they end up getting sucked into promoting Jayatirtha's groupies who are always challenging us, and which aided and abetted the whole mess top to bottom. So I want you and others to understand this history, so it does not happen over and over in the future.
PADA: Yes prabhu, the karma process has not been understood. Srila Prabhupada says the bogus gurus lead their people to hell. That also means the followers make a big added weight of karma to the bogus guru. Since their guru is going to hell -- he cannot fix their karma -- it just keeps snow balling bigger and worse. As the follower's karma is attaching onto to the bogus guru more and more -- all this is combining and pulling the guru down more and more -- faster and faster. This combines to speed up their guru's entrance -- into the gates of hell. So they are all caught in the same karma net.
ReplyDeleteWhen we think of the followers as innocent by-standers -- not entirely. They get involved with the karma of promoting the bogus guru and the bogus guru gets involved with taking the bad karma of disciples -- and that speeds up the train just before it crashes -- causing more damage. They don't understand how this is working.