ISKCON's Predator Gurus vs Consenting Adults

PADA: Thanks V dasa, but we are fixing it, at least to some extent. First priority, we had to have the GBC sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse. We won. Notice that after that BV Narayan Maharaja quit saying "Tamal is the dear Tamal tree of Radha." That means we fixed his views. 

Then we had the BBTI sued for changing the books. We won. Then I helped the Bangalore case with documents, because the GBC was trying to shut down their program that feeds hundreds of thousands of little children daily, by having the directors of the food program put in jail. So we helped save those children from being victims of the GBC policy of harming (in this case starving) children. 

They were already sued for $400,000,000 for starving children, now they wanted to starve even more children. So we put a big dent in their plans. 

I also helped a few mothers sue some of the GBC leaders. I have counselled many victims. Various victims told me I saved them from suicide because "at least someone cared." 

And now our sites, blogs and videos are getting maybe 5,000 or more hits a day. I have contacts in Russia, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, China, Europe and all sorts of people sending me nice questions all the time. We have been consulted by many public mass medias, TV shows, book writers, scholars, the police, FBI, and Federal Marshalls and so on. I am a consultant on several historical account books being penned right now. The question from me is, what are you doing to fix it? ys pd

S. Dasi (1): I'm glad that Narayana Maharaja changed his views. I think it is common that sannyasis don't understand much about issues related to child sexual abuse and need to be educated. Regarding his relationship with Tamal Krishna Goswami, it was complex. Although TKG was one of the drivers of the Zonal Acarya system, he later confessed that the "appointment letters" were fake.

He was one of the first to take shelter of Narayana Maharaja and seek his guidance. Despite risking his standing as a high profile leader in ISKCON. So I think Narayana Maharaja had a deep and sweet appreciation of this although he didn't know other things about TKG. As we have discussed, the guru is not omniscient.

In my own experience, I have great affection for a godbrother who assisted in turning my daughter's life around when she got herself in serious psychological, spiritual and mental trouble in her teenage years due to drug and alcohol abuse. She has completely recovered in no small part to this godbrother's intervention and helpful, practical strategies.

Inexplicably to me, he maintains a friendship of sorts with folks like Bhavananda. Normally this would entail me having nothing to do with a person. I've expressed my disapproval but he has his reasons. My point here is that I think we all know that the entire institution and others are contaminated by supporters of sex offenders but we still may have some deep friendships - maybe sentimental because these friendships go back 30, 40 or even 50 years.

TKG Died yes. And in horrible circumstances. And I know what his last words were. Very inauspicious death.

PADA: Yes, but when Narayan Maharaja said he wanted to resolve things and meet with me, he was making things up. He had no intention of repairing the situation. He told me to come there at 8 am. Cancelled that meeting, changed it to 11am. Cancelled that to 2pm, then changed it to 5pm. Then I was told he left the property. He was calling me ill names to his followers, and they were repeating, some of them still do. 

He was creating ill will, on purpose. Then he said the children are just getting their karma, but why was he supporting the regime giving this karma? If he was genuinely concerned about rectification, he would have at the very least given me a 5 minutes audience. He did not want to rectify the situation, which is why it is still not resolved now. He did know -- maybe even more than me -- because he was at the scene of the crime meeting with them all the time. He heard more complaints -- than maybe even me? 

He said Bhavananda is a homosexual, he knew that for a long time. He knew we were protesting, and he called us poison. He was yelling insults at my friends. And then he makes a bogus plea to meet me and discuss. I drove all the way to Fullerton to meet, and he was just jerking me around. A serious person who really wanted resolve and rectification -- would not have acted like that. ys pd

S. Dasi (1): Very sad to hear this distressing history. Even an initiating guru can evolve in understanding. I have friends who are NM disciples and they have told me many stories when NM showed great compassion when being told about problems suffered. 

Sadly, Pure Bhakti also developed a culture following the passing away of Narayana Maharaja especially, where young men were prematurely granted sannyasa for "the preaching" and went on to sexually assault various women.
One who had been credibly charged with rape and admitted to it, was awarded with a massive samadhi in the dham, completely dividing their world assembly into competing and infighting camps.

(A) Those who were appalled and outraged and (B) those who minimized his predatory behaviour and the suffering of his female disciples -- and instead chose to focus on all the great kirtans and talks he had given- especially on Parikrama.

PADA: Real compassion is to admit NM was wrong to have called us poison when we were ringing the fire alarm about the child abuse, and aiding and abetting the prime leaders of the molester regime as gurus, and rasika gurus no less. Yes, now his own "successors" are having similar troubles, and we are told -- includes evidently pedophilia or at least not yet adult males. 

And there was another who was evidently chasing skirts, etc. Their program here has turned into a giant pot club. Someone sent a box of books for me by mistake to their house. So they called me to come get the box. And the whole place reeked of pot smoke. It is not a very advanced process, and many of them still hold a grudge against me for protesting Narayan Maharaja's support of Tamal and the whole molester rings, webs and nests process. They should simply agree that I am right, and move on. What is the purpose of holding a grudge against protests of child molesting? ys pd

S. Dasi (1): I can understand that you would be rightfully disturbed by all this.
Many people still have a grudge against me for exposing the cover ups and enabling behaviour of our 2 Australian GBC men Ramai Swami and Devamrta Swami.

I dont really care any more about that. I have new friendships where I feel people love me and we try our best to empathize with each others experiences and support each other in our Bhakti programs.

A person can't always be judged by their guru. As we know, especially you (LOL!) many of Srila Prabhupada's disciples you would prefer to be kept in a cage with a tiger rather than even see their faces. I have some wonderful friends who are disciples of Narayana Maharaja and I know some are dreadful people also.

PADA: After the battle of Kurukshetra, many of the Kaurava party's women were crying on the battle field -- full of their dead husbands and relatives. Perhaps they were looking at the dead if not chopped up bodies of their relatives, trying to identify the corpse from the jewelry and ornaments the soldiers wore. And some of these ladies were then very angry when they saw Krishna coming over there, and they berated Him for "encouraging the war" -- which killed not only the main offenders, but also all their entire entourage of associated enablers, sycophants, cheer leaders, hangers on, false shastra citing legal defense teams etc. 

And so Krishna had to explain to them, the main party of offenders was supported by your relatives, and so they were all contributing participants in the offenses. That is how I view the Narayan Maharaja types, they contributed to the process of the GBC guru cabal. 

All that after NM had said in 1979, that Srila Prabhupada had told him ALL of his disciples are monkeys. Yet NM went along with the idea that 11 of these monkeys are fit to get worship as gurus, Vishnupadas etc. So that means, he knew they were monkeys -- because he said they are monkeys -- but he still supported that they are gurus. Unfortunately, we all know what happens when monkeys become worshiped as good as God, it is destined for failure. Of course some of the followers are nice people, and many of the families of people who died at Kurukshetra, and their ladies and families etc., were also nice people, but they supported the wrong side. ys pd

BV NM follower: Generally only one in the renounced order can instruct / chastise another in the renounced order. Srila Narayan Maharaj, in 1990, had already lived more than 50 years in the temples of his Gurudeva, and amongst Brahmacari and Sanyassi devotees, with a world of experience. So it is in that context he spoke something for the benefit of the society and the individual. He would definitely not have spoken “to support the agenda of Tamal Krishna mj.” For PADA to suggest this is simply childish.

It is likely that the servants of Srila Narayan mj, seeing PADA’s non devotional sentiments, being bereft of a mood of submissive inquiry, considered him unqualified to converse properly and beneficially with an exhalted Vaisnava like Srila Narayan Goswami Maharaj, worried that he would do or say something improper, and damage his devotional creeper.

Srila Narayan Goswami Maharaj, who was like a lion, did not “hide in his room and sneak away from you, rather he thought the world how to avoid bad association with useless and insincere people!

PADA: I did submissively inquire? I was invited over to speak with Maharaja, by the Maharaja himself. He left me sitting all day and then he sneaked off the property. That means, according to my South India Brahmana friends, he was not able to answer even one of my questions. He was stumped from the get go, and according to Vedic debate process, a person who sneaks off from a discussion -- has no ability to debate, and he loses the debate. 

I was sitting there all day ready to inquire, and I am also not able to get any reasonable reply from his followers why for example, he was helping Satsvarupa in 1984 write "The Guru Reform Notebook." I wanted to ask NM, what was he thinking when he was helping the GBC's "guru reform" since -- there is no such thing as deviant acharyas who need reform? NM evidently could not answer, and neither can his sisyas, since this all began. 

Calling people like me poison is painting a bulls eye on my back, I could have been killed and nearly was. I was saved at the last minute by the FBI who arrested their hit man. NM has no authority to repress me or anyone else by contributing to that manner of behavior by promoting that cabal and its top leaders as "the dear Tamal tree of Radha." If he has no intention of speaking to me, then do not invite me over, that is simply common sense etiquette known to even the ordinary man on the street. It is interesting that you say the people who oppose pedophile guru programs are "useless and insincere." ys pd

And! Generally, a sannyasa does not say that ALL of these people are monkeys, simultaneously, 11 of these monkeys are gurus. Generally a sannyasa does not support a pedophile guru process -- and then simply waves his hands in the air "the children are just getting their karma." He repents and admits he was at fault for enabling that process, and does not re-victimize the victims by telling them it is basically their fault. Blaming the victims. 

Generally, a sannyasa does not help write a book called "The Guru Reform Notebook" saying that acharyas are deviants who need reform. Generally a sannyasa does not give rasika classes to people who are known to be falling into illicit sex. Generally, a sannyasa does not say that the people who oppose child molesting are "poison" knowing that can get them harmed or even killed. Generally, a sannyasa does not change the names of Srila Prabhuada's disciples which he says is showing him disrespect. 

Generally, even the ordinary person does not invite over another person and then leave them sitting all day long, because they know basic human decency and etiquette. Generally speaking, the followers of a guru can explain why their guru helped write "The Guru Reform Notebook," but in this case, we never get any from his followers. And so on and so forth ... ys pd

PADA: This all started maybe in 1979 when the GBC told me that Jayatirtha was "influenced by the sahajiyas of India" and that is why he fell into illicit sex and offering LSD to the shalagram. So I argued that the guru is not influenced by the material energy, and the result was I got booted out of ISKCON by the gang of four gurus. They did offer to make me "the guru of Ireland" if I would join them. 

So that has been my argument all along, to say that gurus are attracted to illicit sex, drugs, and bad behavior -- is not what Krishna teaches. Krishna says "acharyam mam vijnaniyam" which in part means, the guru must be equally as pure as God. Needless to say I was baffled as to why Sridhara Maharaja was upset with us protesting their illicit sex and drugs guru program and he said "none should protest." 

And when we heard around that same time that the GBC entourage had been told "they are all monkeys, but 11 of these monkeys are acharyas" by Narayan Maharaja, again we were totally baffled by these types of rationalizations. So once we start to rationalize that the acharyas are often deviants, or even monkeys, then that opens the floodgates for all sorts of deviations, as we have seen practically. Later on they formalized their idea that acharyas are often deviating when the GBC wrote "The Guru Reform Notebook" -- with their "shastric advisor" at the time -- BV Narayana Maharaja. 

They began to more openly say gurus deviate and need to be sent to reform school. That was around 1986, when they reinstated Bhavananda despite knowing he was having sex with taxi drivers in the dham. So then -- as they fell one by one, they started to say -- well sure -- gurus are falling down left, right and center, what is the problem? The problem is that then we have a sort of worship of sexual predators as gurus situation, we become what we worship as a society. So a society that worships sexual predators if not pedophiles will become flooded with that process, and flooded with rationalizations and excuses for allowing and enabling that process like "gurus deviate and need reform, because gurus are deviants." ys pd

S. Dasi (2): There is a HUGE difference between two consenting adults engaging in sexual activity, and someone in a position of power and authority touching a GIRL without her consent. 

PADA: Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has sex with a follower, it is the same as a father having sex with his own daughter. It is pedophilia de facto. It is mis-use of a post of authority of a father like figure. And that was going on with other GBC gurus, who were also having affairs with followers. And that was being overlooked and covered up, and that was part of the whole process of webs and nests of sexual predatory behavior infiltering the society, which filtered to all the other branches of the society -- including into the gurukulas. A disciple of a guru is not the same as a regular consenting adult sex situation, it is spiritual exploitation and according to Srila Prabhupada, it is incest. ys pd

S. Dasi (2): Yes there is definitely a power dynamic between both guru and disciple, and father and daughter. But I’m talking about a sanyasi who has sexual relations with a consenting woman who is his peer.

PADA: They are not peers. One guru here was having sex with half dozen women, those women would never have had sex with him without his powerful guru authority dynamic. Priests also exploit boys, and / or nuns and / or even married women -- we hear this all the time, using their powerful post as a priest. These are not peer to peer issues. The priest or guru is like a father figure, it is not peer to peer. When Srila Prabhupada says a guru who has sex with a disciple is like a father having sex with his daughter, he is indicating -- this is not peer to peer. 

A father having sex with his daughter is pedophile sex, or worse it is incest, i.e. it is misusing the post of a superior or higher authority. And then again big politicians are having sex with the secretary and so on and so forth, because they have a position of authority over them. 

Jayatirtha was not "a sannyasa" he was "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja," and he was the unquestioned authority for his followers, which would include his exploiting them for sex, which happened -- and which is why he was later on murdered by a disgruntled person who objected to his sexual exploiting. 

The victims of sexual abuse in ISKCON would thus include the so-called adults in other words, because they are like the spiritual daughters of these men. ys pd

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Yes. BV Narayan Maharaja was saying we are making offenses to Tamal, whom he claimed is "the dear Tamal tree of Radha." When I was helping put together the $400,000,000 molesting lawsuit in Dallas, NM was also in Dallas staying with Tamal. My associates went there and tried to convince NM that there is a big problem here, and he was not having it. Rather NM was yelling at them and said they had no place to criticize Tamal, and his support for Tamal. He said they are his juniors and he is the senior. So he was not listening to us, rather he was combatting with us. And he said we are poison, and his followers have been saying to me that I am poison, some still do now -- because we opposed the whole molesting empire, head quarters in Dallas and run by Tamal. His followers still call me names and so on. Then, after we had the lawsuit running, he said -- the victims just got their karma. Yet he offers no explanation why he has been supporting the regime that was dishing out karma to children? And why was he calling us poison for objecting to the regime? Then he said he wanted to meet with me in person so we could discuss this and settle the issues, but he would not talk to me on the beach, I had to drive two hours to Fullerton and meet later. Then he sat in his room and avoided meeting me, and then left the property after I sat there from 8 am to 5 pm. And notice, his followers still hold a grudge and say I am a bogus person, which means they are saying only the bogus persons complain about molesting, while the sincere yell at us and tell us to shut up? Yep, I lived all this and still do. They hold a grudge even now, as you can see from their comments. They are upset we had to shut down their whole "Tamal is the dear Tamal tree of Radha" program. ys pd