PADA: More people waking up to these issues. Sorry, as Srila Prabhupada says, the boil has to be popped:
Gurukuli veteran: I have so much pain in my heart …. So much pain and tears … If you could just see what you have done to me ... to us. All in the name of worshiping Krsna. Well now Krishna can kiss my suicidal ass! Cause that’s all I think about is just ENDING my miserable life. Everyday I have to find a reason why I should stay. I have nothing but you -- and all your lack of help.
Gurukul Veteran’s article continues below this note:
Readers should be informed that this young lady has later already apologized for her strong language against Sri Krsna and Srila Prabhupada (read comments: “Iskcon files for bankruptcy” 11/2/02). [also at the end of this article] She is a victim of ISKCON’s pedophilia protection racket, and should be given our full support.
Had ISKCON made as much noise about the monsters who raped children as they do about plans to protect assets, their concerns would have been self evident.
As it is (even though management has admitted awareness of the crimes), there has never been a single case where ISKCON has prosecuted a predator -- that we know of. Not in the past, nor at this present time. To the contrary, they have given protection, even given office to known offenders.
ISKCON will find very little sympathy (if any) in the public eye. This is the single most concentrated case of child-abuse in the history of man. To believe that material assets will be spotlighted, is just another ISKCON illusion. ISKCON’s accumulation through expansion program may get some air, and its techniques of psychological slavery may be exposed. Other than that, the rape and abuse of its own children will take center stage. (SGd)
The pain you teachers and GBC put me thru … the isolation’s, segregating me from my parents and family… all the times I was molested and then finally raped. YOU, the devotees and your PHILOSOPHY said it was my fault my karma. At the age of 8 or nine my gurukula teacher told me to thank Krsna that this man violated me now and not later, that i was paying for my karma.
I must have done the same in my past life to a child and now I must accept what happened as Krishnas mercy, tell that to my badly swollen 9 year old hairless vagina! Another time at 10 it was my fault cause too many bramacharies had crushes and any Prabhupada said woman are the fire and men are the butter …. believe me there were many, many more molestations and tons of excuses and no ONE PROTECTED ME! NO ONE!!!!!!!!!! Nor did they protect the other victims.
How many of our molesters got found out -- and just moved around to another temple by the GBC to avoid prosecution. HOW many GBC’s are molesters them selves! How many "senior devotees" stood back and allowed this "to save the institution"?
My nightmares and day-mares is all I have now ….. you people completely PHUCKED ME! I worshiped the ground my teachers and elders WALKED on and all I got was hit, and called a prostitute all the time, for like not covering my head or looking at the bramacharis as they danced all around the temple like horny bulls!
How many of our molesters got found out -- and just moved around to another temple by the GBC to avoid prosecution. HOW many GBC’s are molesters them selves! How many "senior devotees" stood back and allowed this "to save the institution"?
My nightmares and day-mares is all I have now ….. you people completely PHUCKED ME! I worshiped the ground my teachers and elders WALKED on and all I got was hit, and called a prostitute all the time, for like not covering my head or looking at the bramacharis as they danced all around the temple like horny bulls!
I cant believe the things you people made me do …… drinking foot juice from Bhavananda ... another molester! Or when I spilled my food I had to eat it off the floor and my juice or milk to….cause its Prasadam, you people treated me like shit and cant even do right by me.
You’ve done some evil and just plain Terrorizing things to me and to my godbrothers and sisters. I watched, I witnessed all the abuses …… no exaggeration here Anutuma. You are the spokesperson for a bunch of child molesters and control FREAKS.
Why did you do this to me.
Why?
Gurukula veteran.
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Thank you for your words … believe it or not i don’t mean at all to be offensive to KRSNA or SRILA PRABHUPADA, but all that I was taught through my abuses was out of this Devotion for Them.
When they punished us or locked me in the dirty kitchen / closets ... it was Prabhupada’s tape they played behind the door all day till they saw fit to let me out …. Sometimes the girls would slip chapatis under the door for me….
When I tell you that I can not even hear/see or smell anything devotional because I become physically ill, like nausea, cold sweats and crying lots of crying…. Sri Krsna AND Srila Prabhupada has been CRAMMED down my throat and now what ever beauty you all seem to see, i just cant see it…. Too much pain….
Whether I was misinformed about the true essence of Vaisnava life or not, I am ruined for life by it….. I am A Survivor no doubt……. and there are many, MANY of us out there. So though I mean not offend you there is the other side that is just so angry. At the misuse of your Gods name and of his supposed pure devotees….and the need to sound respectful towards them now….is so hard for me…..confusing…..impossible….
I am a product of all the glorious bulls**t ….. If there is a Krsna out there then He knows who I am….. where my heart is and where I came out of…… and I think He is much more merciful then we all think and He would understand my anger even if misguided through teachings and abuse……
I don’t know anymore who is up there but I know His love was not supposed to be like this…. From my Sad heart to yours I mean no offense…. I just need so badly to be HEARD for things to change and for JUSTICE…..
Thank you for everyones concern, it’s almost surprising…. because I just have read so many negative things written about us -- and it comforting to know NOT everyone is blind, that there is compassion among some of the devotees…. Unlike how i was raised. i am just in so much pain and doing all I can to make sense of everything.
Of course there is no sense in it, it was a crazy mans life.
I just want Justice…… now in this lifetime.
Gurukul Veteran
PADA: Yep, when we started to help put together the abuse lawsuit in 1997, some leaders -- but also many parents -- came up to me and angrily chastised me (and the courts) for helping -- their kids. I told them -- me and the courts should not have had to help your kids, you should have helped them yourselves. A lot of them still hold a grudge and speak ill of me.
You’ve done some evil and just plain Terrorizing things to me and to my godbrothers and sisters. I watched, I witnessed all the abuses …… no exaggeration here Anutuma. You are the spokesperson for a bunch of child molesters and control FREAKS.
Why did you do this to me.
Why?
Gurukula veteran.
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Thank you for your words … believe it or not i don’t mean at all to be offensive to KRSNA or SRILA PRABHUPADA, but all that I was taught through my abuses was out of this Devotion for Them.
When they punished us or locked me in the dirty kitchen / closets ... it was Prabhupada’s tape they played behind the door all day till they saw fit to let me out …. Sometimes the girls would slip chapatis under the door for me….
When I tell you that I can not even hear/see or smell anything devotional because I become physically ill, like nausea, cold sweats and crying lots of crying…. Sri Krsna AND Srila Prabhupada has been CRAMMED down my throat and now what ever beauty you all seem to see, i just cant see it…. Too much pain….
Whether I was misinformed about the true essence of Vaisnava life or not, I am ruined for life by it….. I am A Survivor no doubt……. and there are many, MANY of us out there. So though I mean not offend you there is the other side that is just so angry. At the misuse of your Gods name and of his supposed pure devotees….and the need to sound respectful towards them now….is so hard for me…..confusing…..impossible….
I am a product of all the glorious bulls**t ….. If there is a Krsna out there then He knows who I am….. where my heart is and where I came out of…… and I think He is much more merciful then we all think and He would understand my anger even if misguided through teachings and abuse……
I don’t know anymore who is up there but I know His love was not supposed to be like this…. From my Sad heart to yours I mean no offense…. I just need so badly to be HEARD for things to change and for JUSTICE…..
Thank you for everyones concern, it’s almost surprising…. because I just have read so many negative things written about us -- and it comforting to know NOT everyone is blind, that there is compassion among some of the devotees…. Unlike how i was raised. i am just in so much pain and doing all I can to make sense of everything.
Of course there is no sense in it, it was a crazy mans life.
I just want Justice…… now in this lifetime.
Gurukul Veteran
PADA: Yep, when we started to help put together the abuse lawsuit in 1997, some leaders -- but also many parents -- came up to me and angrily chastised me (and the courts) for helping -- their kids. I told them -- me and the courts should not have had to help your kids, you should have helped them yourselves. A lot of them still hold a grudge and speak ill of me.
Thus, more and more kids were committing suicide, and I should have been doing -- nothing? And thanks to the lawsuit, hundreds of kids were pulled out of GBC schools -- and they should have stayed there -- so the cycle could continue? It was a crime of commission, and a crime of omission, the silent majority is also to be blamed. Of course a lot of them were not silent, they attacked me and many -- still do.
Rather amazing is that BV Narayan Maharaja also started to say that the molesting victims are just getting their karma -- and he was hanging out with Tamal in Dallas -- when we were helping the Dallas courts take down Tamal's molesting empire. So BV NM was helping the molester messiahs program and he was infuriated I was helping the victims.
BV NM was even more infuriated we were attacking his BFF, molester messiah lineage's founder father -- Tamal. BV NM was actually spitting mad when he was yelling at our associates, he was infuriated his child molesting messiah's program was under attack. So he was trying to get us killed by demonizing us opponents of his anus sex regime.
ys pd
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PADA: Yep. Tina Marie Kirner said I was wrong to help have hundreds of kids pulled out of GBC "guru schools," and help reduce if not stop the suicides of victims. She essentially said that if kids get molested and / or die it is too bad, so what? Not her problem. She wanted me to listen to a video her friends had made by interviewing Radhanath supporters. And now she is blasting you for "offending" the official ISKCON folks? She is with the regime, self evidently. She attacks anyone who attacks the regime.
She does not understand, I do not promote pedophiles or the worship of pedophiles ... as Krishna's guru successors. She also said I am an alcoholic, wow, so only us alcoholics know it is wrong to help and promote pedophile guru cults, the "sincere devotees who chant their rounds" think it is right to support these regimes? She is advertising that alcoholics are more advanced than "sincere devotees who chant their round" -- like her? I think she has not been taking her medications ...
CYD: You don't take alcohol, do u?
PADA: Well no, but this is how they get people banned, beaten and killed, they demonize them with lies and falsity. Of course, even if I do drink alcohol I am still authorized to protest molester guru programs. Naranarayan Das Visvakarma was the ring leader of this Tina Marie Kirner group (i.e. Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das (Paul Coats UK) / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Dayalu Nitai's HK Jaipur and other members of their pedophile messiah lovers club) that opposed me, and he was encouraging them to attack me.
CYD: You don't take alcohol, do u?
PADA: Well no, but this is how they get people banned, beaten and killed, they demonize them with lies and falsity. Of course, even if I do drink alcohol I am still authorized to protest molester guru programs. Naranarayan Das Visvakarma was the ring leader of this Tina Marie Kirner group (i.e. Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das (Paul Coats UK) / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Dayalu Nitai's HK Jaipur and other members of their pedophile messiah lovers club) that opposed me, and he was encouraging them to attack me.
They also made a petition to have me removed from the internet etc. So basically anyone who attacks the worship of pedophiles as acharyas is then -- attacked by "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of perverts and pedophiles as acharyas program." They are simply "the enforcers" ... ys pd
PADA: People are not going to go back to Godhead with folks like Naranarayan Das Visvakarma encouraging people to oppose those of us exposing pedophile guru programs, and trying to get us killed by demonizing us as alcoholics. Naranarayan das said he wanted to have me removed from the internet, and he formed a group including Tina Kirner. Did they want to remove the bad guys? Nope. They get to stay. He told me he went to visit Radhanath's program and he was very impressed. Anyway, they made a video against me and they were directly quoting the Radhanath cheer leader club. It is amazing to me that children victims are committing suicide and Naranaryan das says we cannot have me help them, and he supported the people saying "let them all die." ys pd
PADA: People are not going to go back to Godhead with folks like Naranarayan Das Visvakarma encouraging people to oppose those of us exposing pedophile guru programs, and trying to get us killed by demonizing us as alcoholics. Naranarayan das said he wanted to have me removed from the internet, and he formed a group including Tina Kirner. Did they want to remove the bad guys? Nope. They get to stay. He told me he went to visit Radhanath's program and he was very impressed. Anyway, they made a video against me and they were directly quoting the Radhanath cheer leader club. It is amazing to me that children victims are committing suicide and Naranaryan das says we cannot have me help them, and he supported the people saying "let them all die." ys pd
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C Dasi: What course of actions can we take today ... when we see pedophiles dressed in saffron cloth ... at programs with the youth. And fake performance dancing and opulent sannyasa prasad. Where is the austere bramachari sitting mat for these rascals? As a mom of a daughter ... I insist on some separation. I cannot move to India to raise my daughter. We are not partaking in iskcon. How can I peacefully encourage others to take actions to make certain these behaviors end?? Who is around to check and guide these rascals who want to dress in saffron for the iskcon programs. And who is supposed to say what's inappropriate -- or not? I'm unwilling to give them my audience ...as they relish it. They turn away from my partner to speak to me ...a female ...while they dress in saffron. I mean its not a masquerade party. So who checks the behavior of rascals such as these? And how can we ALL move forward into a reality when this issue is not monitored and dealt with? And newcomers or returning sangha members .... get blown away by all this inappropriate behavior and dress even from known -- if not certified pedophiles. I mean how does a certified pedophile get to wear saffron and sit in front dressed in the renounced order? I'm confused actually. Perhaps it is offence even for me to say anything at all and yet ... I feel I need more safety for my family than this provides now. It is incongruent for me. Does not equate. And until I make sense of it ... or it shifts to something I can make sense of ... I will observe from a distance. I have to, for my own peace of mind. I have friends ...who are Gurukuli veteran survivors. I lived in Vrindavan with one ... and I've heard their stories first hand. Can anyone help me to understand why this is allowed to take place? Because ... you lost me on this. I'm a protective mother, and I am zero into compromising children's safety and well being.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yep, it is odd how so many woman can relate to PADA, while a lot of the "brave warrior men" are simply trying to hide these issues under the carpet. Odd! ys pd]
GKD: RE ISKCON Destroys a Whole Generation of Devotee’s Lives
ReplyDeleteDear PADA! SAC seems to instruct new devotees that "it is not our business to judge when gurus fall down". They refer to a conversation, see below, where Prabhupada is saying that it is not our business to judge when a brahmana falls down. But isn't this a different situation?
Guest (3): I'm asking this question. I'm concerned about the perverted caste system in India, right? I'm asking this question on a brāhmaṇa, the varṇāśrama-dharma system. If one of your brāhmaṇa initiated disciples falls from this platform, leaves the temple and commits offenses, then returns, demanding respect, should he be allowed to keep the sacred thread or should he be engaged in menial service, which never fails to cultivate humility?
Prabhupāda: Well, that is to be judged by the spiritual master. You cannot judge.
Guest (3): Well, I'm asking this because...
Prabhupāda: You cannot judge who is following, who is not following. That is not your jurisdiction. Therefore he has accepted a spiritual master, his jurisdiction. He'll do whatever necessary.
Guest (3): Has there been a case...
Prabhupāda: So that case you cannot judge. The case has to be judged by the spiritual master.
Guest (3): Could you give me an example of a case that has been...
Prabhupāda: Just like if somebody has done something wrong he is taken to the court and the judge gives his decision, whether he is criminal or not. The man who has arrested him, he cannot give the decision. It has to be tried by the higher authority. Then the judgment will be.
Lecture on BG 9.5 -- Melbourne, April 24, 1976
[PADA: Right, this does not mean we can allow bogus gurus to take over the society and so forth. They are taking things out of context. Even the Devil can quote the Bible. ys pd]