YOUR GURU PADASRAYA?
ISKCON Disciple Course: Guru Padasraya
PADA: This is a little odd? Srila Prabhupada is FIRST of all the guru of the newcomers. He is the lotus feet (pada) that the new people have to take shelter of (asraya). He is the Guru padasraya, but only for a short time.
Then later, they give up worship of Srila Prabhupada and they have to start to worship a "2/3 show of hands voted in GBC guru," from an illicit sex and debauchee guru's parampara. And they then start to offer bhogha to that conditioned soul guru -- whom IDC (ISKCON Disciples Course) says may be deviating and have to be replaced. What! Where is shastra does it say we have to offer bhogha to conditioned souls, or Hanuman Croatia's pedophile guru loving lineage members like Sridhar swami?
Worse, the GBC documents say they cannot guarantee that their gurus have any level of spiritual realization. We have to buy one of their cars, but they cannot guarantee it will not explode as we drive off the car lot? We have to take "guru padasraya" of -- an unknown quantity? Yet, we must have "absolute faith" in the unknown, non-guaranteed guru, who might deviate and have to be replaced because he is a conditioned soul? I have to have "absolute faith" in your airplane, but one of the engines is on fire?
So we give up the shelter of the worship of the pure devotee and we worship the conditioned and defective devotee? None of this is mentioned in the Vedas? "Guru padasraya" means, taking shelter of the pure devotee, not to take shelter of false and "non-guaranteed" "asrayas."
Sulochana calls this: "bait and switch."
We should come to lovely ISKCON and worship a guru like Srila Prabhupada, until they can replace his worship with the worship of one of their conditioned soul gurus. Of course, we also have had this same problem all along with GBC folks / Bhakti Vikas swami / Gaudiya Matha folks / Narayan Maharaja folks / Hanuman Croatia / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Rocana / Kailash et al. ... who preach the same thing.
Yes, we CAN read Srila Prabhupada's books and accept his padasraya -- but only temporarily. He is not our actual ongoing and permanent "padasraya" shelter guru -- because worship of pure devotees ongoing is "the bogus Christian idea."
Not to worry, we have a pocketful of nice conditioned soul deviants for you to worship instead! Bait and switch! So its forbidden to worship pure devotees more than on a temporary basis, because we have to worship various rubber stamped conditioned neophytes as gurus, duly 2/3 show of hands voted in, or otherwise rubber stamped as gurus by some sort of arbitrary certification process.
How is that working out for you guys?
Devotees under your plan have exited ISKCON, voted with their feet, and made it a ghost town. We have to have "implicit faith in the pada-asraya spiritual master," who might be having illicit sex in the back room, while he is drinking Vodka and watching football? Again! Where is any of this stated in the Vedas? And its odd that we have to have complete faith in both the spiritual master and Krishna simultaneously -- or the knowledge is not revealed.
How can we have both "complete absolute faith" in mundane influenced conditioned souls posing as gurus, if not fallen and sexual predator souls, and faith in Krishna -- simultaneously? How can we mix simultaneously faith in Krishna -- with faith in -- mundane conditioned beings? I have faith in real gold coins, and gold painted plastic toy coins, simultaneously? No one thinks this makes sense?
How can we simultaneously have "full faith" in both the GBC's contaminated and conditioned souls gurus, and pure devotees aka purified souls? This is never recommended in shastra. Worse, shastra says that we cannot juxtapose mundane influenced souls, with transcendental souls. I have faith in -- false shelter / ashraya. This is condemned in shastra. Nowhere in shastra does it say we have to take "padasraya" -- guru shelter -- in conditioned souls, who are still under the purview of the material energy.
They are reversing the whole program! Actual process: we take shelter of the temporary preachers and Church leaders (who might be deviating and blooping) -- until we get trained to take shelter of the eternal guru. They say the opposite, we take shelter of the eternal, until we take shelter of the conditioned and temporary Church leaders. What!
So this is guru aparadha, because it is establishing the guru as mundane, or subject to material qualities. In any event, we find no bona fide religion where the guru or acharya is worshiped temporarily until he can be replaced with a member of an illicit sex guru process. The guru is worshiped eternally as the padasraya, life after life, that is the actual process. ys pd
ISKCON Disciple Course: Guru Padasraya
PADA: This is a little odd? Srila Prabhupada is FIRST of all the guru of the newcomers. He is the lotus feet (pada) that the new people have to take shelter of (asraya). He is the Guru padasraya, but only for a short time.
Then later, they give up worship of Srila Prabhupada and they have to start to worship a "2/3 show of hands voted in GBC guru," from an illicit sex and debauchee guru's parampara. And they then start to offer bhogha to that conditioned soul guru -- whom IDC (ISKCON Disciples Course) says may be deviating and have to be replaced. What! Where is shastra does it say we have to offer bhogha to conditioned souls, or Hanuman Croatia's pedophile guru loving lineage members like Sridhar swami?
Worse, the GBC documents say they cannot guarantee that their gurus have any level of spiritual realization. We have to buy one of their cars, but they cannot guarantee it will not explode as we drive off the car lot? We have to take "guru padasraya" of -- an unknown quantity? Yet, we must have "absolute faith" in the unknown, non-guaranteed guru, who might deviate and have to be replaced because he is a conditioned soul? I have to have "absolute faith" in your airplane, but one of the engines is on fire?
So we give up the shelter of the worship of the pure devotee and we worship the conditioned and defective devotee? None of this is mentioned in the Vedas? "Guru padasraya" means, taking shelter of the pure devotee, not to take shelter of false and "non-guaranteed" "asrayas."
Sulochana calls this: "bait and switch."
We should come to lovely ISKCON and worship a guru like Srila Prabhupada, until they can replace his worship with the worship of one of their conditioned soul gurus. Of course, we also have had this same problem all along with GBC folks / Bhakti Vikas swami / Gaudiya Matha folks / Narayan Maharaja folks / Hanuman Croatia / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Rocana / Kailash et al. ... who preach the same thing.
Yes, we CAN read Srila Prabhupada's books and accept his padasraya -- but only temporarily. He is not our actual ongoing and permanent "padasraya" shelter guru -- because worship of pure devotees ongoing is "the bogus Christian idea."
Not to worry, we have a pocketful of nice conditioned soul deviants for you to worship instead! Bait and switch! So its forbidden to worship pure devotees more than on a temporary basis, because we have to worship various rubber stamped conditioned neophytes as gurus, duly 2/3 show of hands voted in, or otherwise rubber stamped as gurus by some sort of arbitrary certification process.
How is that working out for you guys?
Devotees under your plan have exited ISKCON, voted with their feet, and made it a ghost town. We have to have "implicit faith in the pada-asraya spiritual master," who might be having illicit sex in the back room, while he is drinking Vodka and watching football? Again! Where is any of this stated in the Vedas? And its odd that we have to have complete faith in both the spiritual master and Krishna simultaneously -- or the knowledge is not revealed.
How can we have both "complete absolute faith" in mundane influenced conditioned souls posing as gurus, if not fallen and sexual predator souls, and faith in Krishna -- simultaneously? How can we mix simultaneously faith in Krishna -- with faith in -- mundane conditioned beings? I have faith in real gold coins, and gold painted plastic toy coins, simultaneously? No one thinks this makes sense?
How can we simultaneously have "full faith" in both the GBC's contaminated and conditioned souls gurus, and pure devotees aka purified souls? This is never recommended in shastra. Worse, shastra says that we cannot juxtapose mundane influenced souls, with transcendental souls. I have faith in -- false shelter / ashraya. This is condemned in shastra. Nowhere in shastra does it say we have to take "padasraya" -- guru shelter -- in conditioned souls, who are still under the purview of the material energy.
They are reversing the whole program! Actual process: we take shelter of the temporary preachers and Church leaders (who might be deviating and blooping) -- until we get trained to take shelter of the eternal guru. They say the opposite, we take shelter of the eternal, until we take shelter of the conditioned and temporary Church leaders. What!
So this is guru aparadha, because it is establishing the guru as mundane, or subject to material qualities. In any event, we find no bona fide religion where the guru or acharya is worshiped temporarily until he can be replaced with a member of an illicit sex guru process. The guru is worshiped eternally as the padasraya, life after life, that is the actual process. ys pd
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