ISKCON Disciples Course (IDC) by Dr. Gopkishori Devi Dasi

PADA: This video was sent to me by a devotee who says its "ISKCON GBC propaganda" and is very confusing, could I make a few comments. No kidding, she is all over the map. She says for example -- the 1936 Gaudiya Matha deviated by making false gurus, and not forming a GBC. Therefore, the ISKCON GBC are bona fide because they made a GBC and not false gurus. 

Wait! The GBC did make false gurus, and plenty of them. They did what the Gaudiya Matha did. The ISKCON leaders FIRST of all made a pile of false gurus such as: Vishnu-pada, Tirtha-pada, Krishna-pada, Bhakti-pada, Guru-pada, Acharya-pada etc. And then -- as the original 1978 false "pada" group crashed on the beach around 1986, they "voted in" another wave of gurus, who also have had scandals and problems. 

In fact, in 1986 the GBC gurus voted to reinstate their "oral sex with taxi drivers in the holy dham" guru named "Vishnupada." And at the same time the "sex with taxi drivers guru" group of folks voted in a new wave of gurus -- like Hanuman Croatia's gurus Sridhar and Bhakti Vikas swami and many others like Gaura Govinda maharaja, Suhotra, Prithu, Jayadvaita etc. -- who were all "2/3 show of hands" voted in -- by the same re-coronation of their KNOWN homosexual acharya's process folks. 

She gives no explanation: what is their "oral sex with taxi drivers in the holy dham" guru parampara? 

How can others be "voted in" to their sex with taxi drivers guru parampara?

In other words, her guru process certified a known homosexual as their Vishnupada guru, and certified another wave simultaneously. And! Exactly what is a homosexual guru vote or certification, and where is this found in the Vedas? Simultaneously in 1986, her "guru body of voters" excommunicated Sulochana, because he was complaining about their homosexual pedophile guru process going on at New Vrndavana and other places like Mayapur. 

Later on, they were sued for $400,000,000 in Dallas for ignoring the pedophile problem complaints from Sulochana. What kind of "guru" program is this? Then their gurus were implicated in the murder of Sulochana, and this is "in the guru line" -- of Lord Krishna? So the people who complain about pedophile gurus are excommunicated, that results in a $400M lawsuit, and mass suffering of children, and this is bona fide process because -- this is all "in the guru line" and is found in the Vedas?  

That really is not a Governing Body, that is an acharya making factory. And this is part of "our line"? Our line of what? Our "guru line" is not populated with various "Vishnupada acharyas" falling down left, right and center. Then she says the diksha guru can only be one person, but in her system many GBC gurus have fallen down and their disciples were then re-initiated several times. She is arguing with her own shadow? The diksha guru is one, except when he is many.

Some devotees have had three or more alleged diksha gurus. She is not paying attention to their own history. There is only one diksha guru, unless -- he bloops after being caught having illicit sex? That is our guru line? Where does this happen, and repeatedly, in our guru line? Srila Prabhupada says the guru line is eternal and uncontaminated. 

And she says essentially that Srila Prabhupada is wrong -- the guru line has temporary and contaminated people who are sometimes kicked out for deviations. And she even advertises, this is a great asset, we kick out our gurus who are deviating. How are deviants gurus in the first place? OK that is not eternal and uncontaminated? Contaminated people are not part of the guru line's population ever, according to Srila Prabhupada.

And in 1978 the GBC made Gaudiya Math's leader Sridhara Maharaja the GBC's "senior advisor" and "the senior most Vaishnava on the planet." And he ghost wrote many GBC documents. Then, around 1982 they said Sridhara is trying to take over ISKCON, he is a deviant, and no one should visit him. 

We should not duplicate the Gaudiya Matha, so we should go there for "advice"? We should make the Gaudiya Matha our "advisors" -- and then later on declare, they are deviants. This is our Gaudiya tradition, to declare someone is ISKCON's "purest devotee on the planet and our shiksha guru," then claim our shiksha guru is bogus and no one can visit him. 

And she says, all this means "they follow Srila Prabhupada." Except, he never authorized any of this? 

* He did not appoint conditioned souls as his successors. 

* He did not authorize the "2/3 show of hands" guru vote process. 

* He never said the acharya is subordinated to the committee.

* He never said conditioned souls could vote for acharyas in any event.

* He never said we should consult with Gaudiya Matha deviants.

This lady evidently thinks Srila Prabhupada is at least correct when he says -- Krishna's successor gurus are (a) residents of Krishna loka. Good so far. 

Yet then (b) the GBC's gurus are authorized as Krishna's successors and diksha gurus too. However, the GBC's gurus might also be deviants (who are falling into illicit sex with men, women and children). Therefore (c) Krishna's gurus need to be sometimes voted in, voted out, censured, suspended, monitored for chanting their rounds, excommunicated --  and then removed for deviations by "a committee." 

How can the residents of Krishna loka be subordinated to a committee which makes serious errors like these? She cites no evidence that Srila Prabhupada created a guru system where the guru is (d) getting dictation from Krishna and thus (e) he is to be monitored by the committee, thus given dictation from the committee (and not Krishna)? How can the person who gets dictation from Krishna need to stop that process, and get dictation from a defective committee instead of Krishna? She does not explain?

And then she cites that the GBC's "guru services committee" is managing these gurus. Yet the GBC is mostly comprised of gurus, so how can the gurus monitor -- themselves? And! Which previous acharyas formed a committee to monitor deviations in other acharyas? And if the other acharyas have been deviating, how can they vote in more acharyas? 

The gurus who voted me in as guru are deviants, they need to be removed, but the people they voted in get to stay as gurus? The false prophet selling bogus priest certificates on E-bay has to be removed from E-bay, but the bogus priest certificates he issued are bona fide. How does this make any sense?

In sum, the guru is not subordinated to Krishna, but to their committee. The same committee that already has selected illicit sex and other deviants as their acharyas. Where does Srila Prabhupada say the gurus are subordinated to a committee, especially a committee that makes deviants as its acharyas?  

She says people in the modes of nature cannot tell right from wrong, but its the GBC who makes these illicit sex folks into its acharyas, that means they cannot distinguish who is guru and who is not, what is right and what is not. One of the GBC's spokesmen and gurus -- Jayadvaita swami -- says some of their gurus are attracted to illicit sex with men, women and possibly children. And that is how Krishna's eternal and uncontaminated guru lineage is defined, it contains illicit sex debauchees, left, right and center?  

Then she says we should cooperate. OK but Srila Prabhupada says anyone who "cooperates" with something like an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara program is going straight to Yamaloka where he will have to suffer for many eons of time. Why should we "cooperate" with the people Srila Prabhupada says are going to the most obnoxious regions of the universe after they finish their bogus guru program (and so do the followers). She does not explain? 

Sorry, there is no quote where Srila Prabhupada says we should "cooperate" with the worship of debauchees as Krishna's successors. Does she have any idea who is Krishna and thus who is His successor? 

We are also still waiting for Hanuman Croatia to explain why he says -- our worship of pure devotees is the bogus Christian idea, and we need to worship his "oral sex with taxi drivers in the holy dham parampara certified guru" Sridhar instead? And Sridhar's guru parampara is the same guru parampara that also buries homosexuals, pedophiles and porno swamis in the dham. Well never mind, sound of crickets dead silence. He won't answer because he can't explain his guru parampara history. Of course, these same guys have not been able to explain their "good as God" debauchee's guru parampara system since 1978, not really waiting for any explanation -- truth be told.

Hopefully this lady will give us some sort of counterpoint, lets see what she says. Anyway we could go on and on here, but lets see if she can answer these points first of all. ys pd] 

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