RV to ISKCON
I feel sad and a bit disgruntled. I asked sincere questions on another Iskcon related group about the right method for initiation and got temporarily banned. Look, I am a beginner and genuinely motivated to become a long-term devotee. I follow the 4 regulative principles and manage to chant 16 rounds daily.
And I try to cook Prasadam the correct way but this isn't perfect yet. Is it my fault that the movement got so confused after the master departed? There are dozens of websites who all propagate different interpretations of Srila Prabhupada's teachings. They all criticize others that they are doing it wrong and then the same people get discredited by again other sources. They appear to compete over who is the most correct Vaishnav and then they all seem to fail themselves.
Is it a wonder then that new people feel disoriented and raise questions? I will have to ask until I know every different angle so that I can find my own place in all this 'mess' - because yes it is kind of a mess to be honest, at the moment, compared to other traditions, and I do not feel that people like me have to be punished for it, this is keeping people away from the path. However this doesn't put me off regarding Srila Prabhupada. He seems like a bright clear light that has nothing of this mess in it.
I do not belong to any camp, I just want to know how to serve him and Lord Krishna the way he envisioned it. If formal initiation isn't necessary, according to Srila Prabhupada, I will feel great relief because I do not want to be part of this conflict among his followers. I rather practice on my own than risk confining myself to a mistaken interpretation by choosing either ritvik or mainstream.
Also regarding guru's, this isn't my first tradition and I have seen enough of half-baked guru's throughout my search and this has costed me a lot of sincerely invested energy. So if formal initiation isn't required then this is a bonus for this reason as well.
The great thing for me about Srila Prabhupada is that he never seems to have made compromises and always lived what he preached. His message comes over clear and without contradiction. Even if I can not be sure about the absolute truth of it, the grace with which he lived his conviction is enough for me to trust him and follow him.
My heart can not accept a guru who isn't living what he preaches.
Sorry if I caused commotion, my intention is sincere.
Hare Krishna
[PADA: This is sad that he cannot even participate in the society made by Srila Prabhupada, but its also great he has found the right path nonetheless. As time goes on, more and more its coming down to, we have to worship Srila Prabhupada as the best option in the current mix of ideas. The "ISKCON Disciples Course" says the new person worships Srila Prabhupada only temporarily, until he can be switched over to worship a member of the molester messiahs program.
That really does not make much sense to the average person?
We worship Jesus, until we can worship a bunch of make pretend Jesus, who have been falling into illicit sex, drugs, drinking Vodka -- and getting sued for making a mass molesting program? Its simply not attractive, which explains why a lot of their temples are empty.
So this person has figured out, wait a minute -- why not worship Srila Prabhupada at the start, and continue on? This is the natural conclusion more and more people are coming to. Notice that as soon as he asked about this, he was banned from the ISKCON forum. Great, then he got over to our forum. Good job ISKCON, keep removing people so we can access them! We are for that process.
Anyway, we are making gradual progress despite all the opposition and confusion. At the same time, the people creating all this confusion -- which is self evidently turning people away from Krishna -- is very sinful. Its like a person has to run through a gauntlet of a thousand different deviations before he can find the actual original Srila Prabhupada's process.
The people creating this gauntlet are self-evidently envious of having the pure devotee being worshiped. So we find this Prabhupadanuga idea is more and more happening -- by default. Srila Prabhupada is sort of winning this war de facto, because the opposition's arguments are being exposed and dismantled so much so, its self evident that a Krishna devotee should just accept Srila Prabhupada as their guru.
Another living guru bone head wrote to tell me the ritvik idea is bogus. So I said great, lets worship your guru, who is he? Sound of crickets, could not identify any better guru. So, its clear they are envious, they would rather worship no one than have the pure devotee being worshiped.
In sum, you are allowed to worship anyone, as long as its not Srila Prabhupada. That is the state of affairs in current ISKCON.
And thus, more and more people are seeing through their enviousness and their false guru scam. ys pd]
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K Dasa: Exactly true, if we glorify too much Srila Prabhupada in ISKCON, they stamp you as ritvik and simply ban you ....... we have all seen that happen.
I feel sad and a bit disgruntled. I asked sincere questions on another Iskcon related group about the right method for initiation and got temporarily banned. Look, I am a beginner and genuinely motivated to become a long-term devotee. I follow the 4 regulative principles and manage to chant 16 rounds daily.
And I try to cook Prasadam the correct way but this isn't perfect yet. Is it my fault that the movement got so confused after the master departed? There are dozens of websites who all propagate different interpretations of Srila Prabhupada's teachings. They all criticize others that they are doing it wrong and then the same people get discredited by again other sources. They appear to compete over who is the most correct Vaishnav and then they all seem to fail themselves.
Is it a wonder then that new people feel disoriented and raise questions? I will have to ask until I know every different angle so that I can find my own place in all this 'mess' - because yes it is kind of a mess to be honest, at the moment, compared to other traditions, and I do not feel that people like me have to be punished for it, this is keeping people away from the path. However this doesn't put me off regarding Srila Prabhupada. He seems like a bright clear light that has nothing of this mess in it.
I do not belong to any camp, I just want to know how to serve him and Lord Krishna the way he envisioned it. If formal initiation isn't necessary, according to Srila Prabhupada, I will feel great relief because I do not want to be part of this conflict among his followers. I rather practice on my own than risk confining myself to a mistaken interpretation by choosing either ritvik or mainstream.
Also regarding guru's, this isn't my first tradition and I have seen enough of half-baked guru's throughout my search and this has costed me a lot of sincerely invested energy. So if formal initiation isn't required then this is a bonus for this reason as well.
The great thing for me about Srila Prabhupada is that he never seems to have made compromises and always lived what he preached. His message comes over clear and without contradiction. Even if I can not be sure about the absolute truth of it, the grace with which he lived his conviction is enough for me to trust him and follow him.
My heart can not accept a guru who isn't living what he preaches.
Sorry if I caused commotion, my intention is sincere.
Hare Krishna
[PADA: This is sad that he cannot even participate in the society made by Srila Prabhupada, but its also great he has found the right path nonetheless. As time goes on, more and more its coming down to, we have to worship Srila Prabhupada as the best option in the current mix of ideas. The "ISKCON Disciples Course" says the new person worships Srila Prabhupada only temporarily, until he can be switched over to worship a member of the molester messiahs program.
That really does not make much sense to the average person?
We worship Jesus, until we can worship a bunch of make pretend Jesus, who have been falling into illicit sex, drugs, drinking Vodka -- and getting sued for making a mass molesting program? Its simply not attractive, which explains why a lot of their temples are empty.
So this person has figured out, wait a minute -- why not worship Srila Prabhupada at the start, and continue on? This is the natural conclusion more and more people are coming to. Notice that as soon as he asked about this, he was banned from the ISKCON forum. Great, then he got over to our forum. Good job ISKCON, keep removing people so we can access them! We are for that process.
Anyway, we are making gradual progress despite all the opposition and confusion. At the same time, the people creating all this confusion -- which is self evidently turning people away from Krishna -- is very sinful. Its like a person has to run through a gauntlet of a thousand different deviations before he can find the actual original Srila Prabhupada's process.
The people creating this gauntlet are self-evidently envious of having the pure devotee being worshiped. So we find this Prabhupadanuga idea is more and more happening -- by default. Srila Prabhupada is sort of winning this war de facto, because the opposition's arguments are being exposed and dismantled so much so, its self evident that a Krishna devotee should just accept Srila Prabhupada as their guru.
Another living guru bone head wrote to tell me the ritvik idea is bogus. So I said great, lets worship your guru, who is he? Sound of crickets, could not identify any better guru. So, its clear they are envious, they would rather worship no one than have the pure devotee being worshiped.
In sum, you are allowed to worship anyone, as long as its not Srila Prabhupada. That is the state of affairs in current ISKCON.
And thus, more and more people are seeing through their enviousness and their false guru scam. ys pd]
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K Dasa: Exactly true, if we glorify too much Srila Prabhupada in ISKCON, they stamp you as ritvik and simply ban you ....... we have all seen that happen.
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