Mayesvara Das Fumbles GBC Poison Rebuttal

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PADA: Many GBC folks are implicated by "silence means acceptance." They did not help us when we addressed these issues.

The Draupadi incident is also "silence means acceptance," its not my opinion? The people who were silent were condemned by Krishna and killed, this is common knowledge, it is amazing you have no idea about the history of this story, which is recorded all over the place and is not my opinion only. The people who were silent were killed, and Krishna wanted that, and I just quoted that Prabhupada said Krishna wanted that result. 

At the same time, you keep forgetting to tell us where Krishna wanted Amarendra to defend an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara? Or is it just you guys personal opinion that Krishna wanted Amarendra to defend that process? Are deviants Krishna's successors, or is it that your pals just wanted to post deviants as Krishna's successors due to your guys personal opinions? ys pd

Bhagavad-gita 1.33-35 Draupadi, the wife of the Pandava brothers (Arjuna, Maharaja Yudhisthira, Bhima, Sahadeva and Nakula), is being disrobed by Duryodhana and Duhsasana, two sons of Dhrtarastra, after being lost to them in a gambling match. 

Bhagavad-gita As It Is

By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Observing the Armies on the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra

Duryodhana clearly felt that the victory of the Kurus depended on the presence of Bhīṣmadeva. He was confident of the full support of Bhīṣmadeva and Droṇācārya in the battle because he well knew that they did not even speak a word when Arjuna’s wife Draupadī, in her helpless condition, had appealed to them for justice while she was being forced to strip naked in the presence of all the great generals in the assembly.

…it is already concluded that all of them would die in the Battle of Kurukṣetra for joining the party of the sinful Duryodhana. Duryodhana was, of course, confident of his victory on account of the above-mentioned combined strength of his friends.

Already concluded they offenders would die, because it was Krishna's wish ... just like the GBC gurus are severe offenders, so they are falling down, getting sick and dying because it is Krishna's wish.

Mayesvara Dasa: Are you incapable of answering these simple questions regarding your use of quotations?

PADA: I asked you why you are working with a person who legally defends child molester guru programs first. Answer my question then we can work on yours. You are answering a question with a question, which means you evidently have no answer. ys pd

Mayesvara Dasa: Whatever opinion you may have about Amarendra is irrelevant in regards to the fact that he agreed to present the evidence he was personally involved with that supports the research that poison PCON is an intentionally contrived fraud. Unless you can demonstrate otherwise, I am left to conclude that you have misrepresented what Srila Prabhupada said.

PADA: Its not my opinion? Many ex-kulis, many parents, and many others are totally fried that anyone would legally defend the GBC's molester guru regime. Some people credit Amarendra with aiding suicides of victims by defending the regime. Amarendra "presented evidence" for your "poison complaint rebuttal" video, but he has less than zero credibility with many molesting victims and other citizens of ISKCON.

Mayesvara Dasa: OK. So you are unable to quote Srila Prabhupada properly.
Amarendra was protecting ISKCON from lawyers who wanted to bankrupt it. You are the one who mixes all these other issues into that simple fact. Please list who are ALL the child molester gurus you are referring to?

PADA: Amarendra was protecting a child molesting guru program that was causing mass molesting -- and causing victims to commit suicide. And then he supported a program that said Srila Prabhupada is the BBTI's "writer for hire." The Dallas court folks concluded there was molesting going on in every nook and cranny of the society. Its not just my opinion at work here.

Mayesvara Dasa: No, I did not ask you: "where was the child molesting going on?" It appears you are the one unable to answer the questions that are put before you. You are referring to the "molester Guru regimes" so who are those molester guru's you are referring to?

PADA: There was molesting going on in New Vrndavana, in Dallas, in Vrndavana, in Mayapur, in Lake Huntington, and other places. And when Sulochana was interviewing some of the victims in Los Angeles the Ramesvara goondas warned him to keep away. 

Ramesvara was himself "dating" (?) a minor aged girl (who I know personally at present), Jayatirtha was having sex with a few women, Hansadutta was having sex with followers, Lokanath was touching a girl (whom I know now) and so on. And Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has sex with a follower it is the same as a father having sex with his daughter. So that means there is, what Jayadvaita swami says is at least -- gurus having "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children as well." 

So that is why the Dallas lawyer said there has been illicit sex in every nook and cranny, and that means its a GBC guru orchestrated molesting regime. The gurus were orchestrating the entire process, hence, a regime. Of course we also have Bhavananda having sex with taxi drivers, and then he was reinstated in 1986, ok that is a regime, a cabal. They prop each other up.

In sum, its what I called -- the enforced cult ritualistic worship of deviants as gurus, emphasis on enforced. We were getting death threats and our friends were getting beaten if not assassinated. If any of these gurus were protesting any of this, they certainly never came to me despite knowing I was writing about this all the time in my newsletters. 

So basically, all the leaders were involved pretty much, we did not see any of them come forward to help us address this. And Amarendra was pals with these type guys the whole while ... I think therefore the real question is, which of these leaders am I not referring to? I would say mostly all of them are implicated by omission or commission. ys pd

Mayesvara Dasa: To refer to consensual sex as molestation is a misnomer. 

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has sex with a follower its just like a father having sex with his daughter. This is not a misnomer, its a fact. Its mis-use of a position of power and authority over followers. Gurus having sex with followers is not "consensual sex" according to Srila Srila Prabhupada, he says it is like incestuous child molesting. Its abuse of power.]

Inappropriate for a sanyasa no doubt ... but NOT molestation. 

[PADA: The GBC guys are not mere sannyasas? They are advertising themselves as Krishna's successor diksha gurus. A sannyasa is an aspiring neophyte, an acharya is at the finished professor stage. You are telescoping neophytes with acharyas. 

And! Srila Prabhupada is wrong and you are not? Where does Srila Prabhupada says acharyas who cannot follow the principles are merely acting inappropriately? He says they are condemned to go to the most obnoxious regions, that is not a minor league problem. You guys are always trying to water down the problems and make them seem "not too bad." The GBC says they are infallible gurus, you say they are fallible sannyasas, you are mixing apples and oranges.]

Lokanatha was disciplined and only after sitting it out for a long parole was he again allowed to accept disciples. So unless you can do better than that your statement "legally defending child molester guru regimes" is an exaggeration in your own head and does not properly reflect the facts.

PADA: Gurus who do not follow the principles -- i.e. have sex with followers -- are destined for the most obnoxious regions. Not sure how that exaggerates the problem? "Consensual guru illicit sex" is not something condoned in the Vedas, rather it sends the guru to hell. Its exploiting. Lokanath essentially caused so much grief and in different ways ruined that girls life, and that is not a problem? 

Apart from many statements -- false gurus go to hell? 

So suicides of victims is not a problem, what is the problem? Amarendra has to save money for the molester guru regime society, so the children can die while he counts shekels. Sorry, suicides of victims is not an exaggerated problem, it means anyone who defends that regime has their blood on their hands, never mind all the grief and other problems the regime caused for these children, suicides being the worst examples of troubles caused to these victims. 

And what exactly is an acharya on parole? 

He is dancing with the gopis, except when he is in GBC guru prison probation? Where do you come up with this stuff? Gurus are not disciplined for deviations, it means you have a mundane idea of guru. Suicides of victims is an exaggerated problem, its what I thought you were saying. I also know more than a few victims who have a lifetime PTSD problems, but that's not the problem, its counting our dollars. ys pd

Mayesvara Dasa: You are the one who wrote "legally defending child molester guru regimes" but you fail to identify who those individuals are. Therefore your statement is as unreliable as you ability to quote Srila Prabhupada accurately.

PADA: Practically the whole GBC are responsible for the molesting court case. All this molesting was going on under their watch.  

And Amarendra defended the regime, after the Dallas lawyer said this is the worst case of systematic child abuse ever seen by this lawyer. Yes, they were sued legally, this is old news and I am amazed you are unaware of that? And the children were suffering, some were eating meat, taking drugs, and some died of suicide. That was the result, legal proven or not, and that too is well known. 

They ruined these children and Amarendra came to the aid of the abuser web and nest leaders. And the leaders not named who supported those who are named are also complicit by indirect means, silence means acceptance. 

And if your GBC pals fumbled the ball on the molesting issue and so many other issues, how can we now rely on them now to be truthful on the poison issue?

 ys pd