[PADA: There is a debate going on in another forum about Mukunda UK and his Hitler worship program. I am not going to print it all here because we have already given many of the relevant quotes here:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/12/srila-prabhupada-defeats-hitler-anugas.html
I was asked by someone to make an update comment here, so here it is:
On Sunday, 3 May 2020, 01:40:35 BST, Mukunda dasa <mukunda.dasa@prabhupada.org.uk> wrote:
The main point is that Hitler Protected and saved Europe. The Lord empowered him for that purpose so the west would be saved for Prabhupada!!! That's why Prabhupada says he was Saktavesha Avatara EMPOWERED TO DESTROY THE JEWISH BOLSHEVIKS!!!
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/12/srila-prabhupada-defeats-hitler-anugas.html
I was asked by someone to make an update comment here, so here it is:
On Sunday, 3 May 2020, 01:40:35 BST, Mukunda dasa <mukunda.dasa@prabhupada.org.uk> wrote:
The main point is that Hitler Protected and saved Europe. The Lord empowered him for that purpose so the west would be saved for Prabhupada!!! That's why Prabhupada says he was Saktavesha Avatara EMPOWERED TO DESTROY THE JEWISH BOLSHEVIKS!!!
Only the most fallen degraded and totally deluded so called followers of Prabhupada cannot see this! They don't realize that if it wasn't for Hitler and the Waffen SS then we would have all been living in communist Russia or China situation since around 1940 and getting shot if we even chant Hare Krishna in our own homes!!! Surely we should a little appreciation for Hitler and the Waffen SS and their brave sacrifice.
On 03/05/2020 01:15, Vidura Mahatma Das wrote:
I can appreciate the time you took to compile your points, and attempt to support your points with quotes from Srila Prabhupada. I think what the matter really comes down to, is what exactly did Srila Prabhupada say about Hitler?
Srila Prabhupada said Hitler was a good man. He said he was not such a bad man. He said he was a gentlemen i believe. He said he fought valiantly like a khsatriya (and was vanquished). Did Srila Prabhupada ever say Hitler was a pure devotee? A shaktya avesha avatar? His predecessor of any sort? I think not.
Surely saying Hitler was a good man was far unconventional enough as it is. Saying Hitler was a gentlemen was astonishingly uncompromising of Srila Prabhupada. Which is precisely why i in turn also accept that Hitler was a gentlemen and a good man.
My question to you is, why, having said such radical things about Hitler already, would Srila Prabhupada care to hold back on saying that Hitler was a pure devotee or shaktya avesha avatar? Instead Srila Prabhupada publicly stated numerous times how Hitler was in the category of the demonic, materialistic class of men like Napoleon, who perform some great feats but are ultimately vanquished. Hitler can be a good man and a gentlemen in the material estimation and still be a demon in the spiritual estimation, the ultimate estimation.
We can speculate and interpolate all day long, but at the end of the day it comes down to Srila Prabhupadas recorded words. What Srila Prabhupada writes in his books is the truth and there is no need for interpretation.
Ys,
Vidura Mahatma das
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[PADA: There is no verified quote from Srila Prabhupada saying Hitler is a Shaktyavesa Avatar? Of course he may have been "empowered" in some sense of the word, even great demons like Kamsa are empowered in some ways, but was Hitler empowered to save his people, or harm his people?
And Hitler "saved Europe," because much of it was burnt to toast and then taken over by Russia and made into a communist state. I am not sure why making enormous areas of Europe atheistic "saves the world."
At the same time, lets look at what happened to some of the people Hitler "saved":
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German women raped after ww2
Abortions were the preferred choice of rape victims, and many died as a consequence of internal injuries after being brutally violated, untreated sexually transmitted diseases due to a lack of medicine, badly performed abortions, and suicides, particularly for traumatised victims who had been raped many times. In addition, many children died in post-war Germany as a result of widespread starvation, scarce supplies, and diseases such as typhus and diphtheria. The infant mortality in Berlin reached up to 90 percent.[4]
On 03/05/2020 01:15, Vidura Mahatma Das wrote:
I can appreciate the time you took to compile your points, and attempt to support your points with quotes from Srila Prabhupada. I think what the matter really comes down to, is what exactly did Srila Prabhupada say about Hitler?
Srila Prabhupada said Hitler was a good man. He said he was not such a bad man. He said he was a gentlemen i believe. He said he fought valiantly like a khsatriya (and was vanquished). Did Srila Prabhupada ever say Hitler was a pure devotee? A shaktya avesha avatar? His predecessor of any sort? I think not.
Surely saying Hitler was a good man was far unconventional enough as it is. Saying Hitler was a gentlemen was astonishingly uncompromising of Srila Prabhupada. Which is precisely why i in turn also accept that Hitler was a gentlemen and a good man.
My question to you is, why, having said such radical things about Hitler already, would Srila Prabhupada care to hold back on saying that Hitler was a pure devotee or shaktya avesha avatar? Instead Srila Prabhupada publicly stated numerous times how Hitler was in the category of the demonic, materialistic class of men like Napoleon, who perform some great feats but are ultimately vanquished. Hitler can be a good man and a gentlemen in the material estimation and still be a demon in the spiritual estimation, the ultimate estimation.
We can speculate and interpolate all day long, but at the end of the day it comes down to Srila Prabhupadas recorded words. What Srila Prabhupada writes in his books is the truth and there is no need for interpretation.
Ys,
Vidura Mahatma das
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[PADA: There is no verified quote from Srila Prabhupada saying Hitler is a Shaktyavesa Avatar? Of course he may have been "empowered" in some sense of the word, even great demons like Kamsa are empowered in some ways, but was Hitler empowered to save his people, or harm his people?
And Hitler "saved Europe," because much of it was burnt to toast and then taken over by Russia and made into a communist state. I am not sure why making enormous areas of Europe atheistic "saves the world."
At the same time, lets look at what happened to some of the people Hitler "saved":
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German women raped after ww2
Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history", and has concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone. According to Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old.
Mass Rape of German Females reported by Russian soldiers Abortions were the preferred choice of rape victims, and many died as a consequence of internal injuries after being brutally violated, untreated sexually transmitted diseases due to a lack of medicine, badly performed abortions, and suicides, particularly for traumatised victims who had been raped many times. In addition, many children died in post-war Germany as a result of widespread starvation, scarce supplies, and diseases such as typhus and diphtheria. The infant mortality in Berlin reached up to 90 percent.[4]
The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million.[7][8][9][10] According to historian William Hitchcock, in many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[11]
At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[9] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.
[12] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[1]
According to Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old. Soviet and Polish women were not spared either.[15][16][17] When General Tsygankov, head of the political department of the First Ukrainian Front, reported to Moscow the mass rape of Soviet women deported to East Germany for forced labour, he recommended that the Soviet women be prevented from describing their ordeal on their return to Russia.[18]
[PADA: I just don't get it? Hitler makes a hell hole out of Germany where: hundreds of thousands of people's cities are burned to ashes in the carpet bombing; then there is mass starving due to lack of food and supplies; and then there is a huge mass rape program producing huge amounts of suffering, and resultant trauma, abortions, suicides, and general widespread deaths from various factors resulting from the rapes. Mukunda's greatest success story ever! Ok maybe not?
And surviving people's houses are ransacked -- leaving no supplies for teeny babies and the womenfolk, leaving many survivors to say, the worst thing that happens is -- when we survived the bombing. How can we say mass deaths of women and children -- and subsequent mass rapes of the citizens -- is a great victory, that God wanted? Why would God ever want such a thing? This is another insult to God, to say God wanted Hitler's program.
People are left with no supplies -- and having babies and small children to care for -- and that is how Mukunda "saves" people? And then the mass rapes started, again, this saves people -- how? Why is Mukunda so attracted to this program, and he claims this process is the way to save the world? And worse, these events are what God wanted. Nope, the Gita says the demons make these horrible wars where the civilians are attacked and killed, not God.
And! Why is this is Mukunda's idea of how we should "save" people? AT ALL!
And this is part of the whole Illuminiti-ites process, because they are veiled participants complaining about the Zionist bankers. HKC Jaipur's thug Prahlad lied when he said he had cut off from this program because after that he posted another Mukunda article. Its simply astonishing that people think a leader who leads his people into such a mess is "doing God's work."
Of course, many GBC folks also think their gurus -- creating mayhem for the citizens -- are "doing God's work." Sorry, God is not trying to make mayhem for the citizens, the demons are doing that, and we should not be trying to get people to worship Hitler at this stage, knowing by now all the suffering, destruction and death he caused.
We are getting complaints that Mukunda is making "the ritviks" look like Hitler worshipers from every camp of Vaishnavas. Anyway, the mess Hitler left behind was something he knew he was leaving behind, hence he blew his brains out. He was not going to be held accountable, just like so many other demons run away from accepting responsibility. And various GBC gurus also "resign" and run away as well, after creating the carpet bombing of ISKCON. How is that a good process?
OK but Yamaraja holds them accountable in that case, that is something they forget. Anyway I am glad more other devotees are finally confronting Mukunda over all this, very much overdue. Did I forget to mention the Sanat / Mukunda / HKC Jaipur / Prahlad das et al. idea of allowing child molesting to continue without PADA checking it, creates mass rapes of children, and suicides, just like the Hitleranuga-ness process?
Is that why they have been promoting this guy's sites?
Of course there are always some Kali Yuga people who think mass defeat of the citizens, including mass rapes and mass deaths, is something they want to see repeated -- and worse -- is a sign of the glory of God's work, because they are actually enjoying to see the suffering of others -- mis-using the name of God. Ok the people who take delight in the suffering of others are NOT doing God's work. This ought to be common sense. God should not be blamed for the suffering created by these Godless asura class folks.
ys pd]
[PADA: I just don't get it? Hitler makes a hell hole out of Germany where: hundreds of thousands of people's cities are burned to ashes in the carpet bombing; then there is mass starving due to lack of food and supplies; and then there is a huge mass rape program producing huge amounts of suffering, and resultant trauma, abortions, suicides, and general widespread deaths from various factors resulting from the rapes. Mukunda's greatest success story ever! Ok maybe not?
And surviving people's houses are ransacked -- leaving no supplies for teeny babies and the womenfolk, leaving many survivors to say, the worst thing that happens is -- when we survived the bombing. How can we say mass deaths of women and children -- and subsequent mass rapes of the citizens -- is a great victory, that God wanted? Why would God ever want such a thing? This is another insult to God, to say God wanted Hitler's program.
People are left with no supplies -- and having babies and small children to care for -- and that is how Mukunda "saves" people? And then the mass rapes started, again, this saves people -- how? Why is Mukunda so attracted to this program, and he claims this process is the way to save the world? And worse, these events are what God wanted. Nope, the Gita says the demons make these horrible wars where the civilians are attacked and killed, not God.
And! Why is this is Mukunda's idea of how we should "save" people? AT ALL!
And this is part of the whole Illuminiti-ites process, because they are veiled participants complaining about the Zionist bankers. HKC Jaipur's thug Prahlad lied when he said he had cut off from this program because after that he posted another Mukunda article. Its simply astonishing that people think a leader who leads his people into such a mess is "doing God's work."
Of course, many GBC folks also think their gurus -- creating mayhem for the citizens -- are "doing God's work." Sorry, God is not trying to make mayhem for the citizens, the demons are doing that, and we should not be trying to get people to worship Hitler at this stage, knowing by now all the suffering, destruction and death he caused.
We are getting complaints that Mukunda is making "the ritviks" look like Hitler worshipers from every camp of Vaishnavas. Anyway, the mess Hitler left behind was something he knew he was leaving behind, hence he blew his brains out. He was not going to be held accountable, just like so many other demons run away from accepting responsibility. And various GBC gurus also "resign" and run away as well, after creating the carpet bombing of ISKCON. How is that a good process?
OK but Yamaraja holds them accountable in that case, that is something they forget. Anyway I am glad more other devotees are finally confronting Mukunda over all this, very much overdue. Did I forget to mention the Sanat / Mukunda / HKC Jaipur / Prahlad das et al. idea of allowing child molesting to continue without PADA checking it, creates mass rapes of children, and suicides, just like the Hitleranuga-ness process?
Is that why they have been promoting this guy's sites?
Of course there are always some Kali Yuga people who think mass defeat of the citizens, including mass rapes and mass deaths, is something they want to see repeated -- and worse -- is a sign of the glory of God's work, because they are actually enjoying to see the suffering of others -- mis-using the name of God. Ok the people who take delight in the suffering of others are NOT doing God's work. This ought to be common sense. God should not be blamed for the suffering created by these Godless asura class folks.
ys pd]
LD: Did I miss something? Hitler saved people, by destroying people. The GBC gurus saved people, by destroying people. Seems Mukunda is big apologist of GBC managing style. You are right, many German citizens were ruined as well as most citizens of Europe. Burned the place down and ruined most of the people in it. Then he blew out his brains. Why glorify this as the program God wants? Exactly right question.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yep, at least some other devotees are finally taking this foolishness to task. Hitler caused Russia to take over huge areas, and he thinks spreading atheistic communism helps the world. Never mind how the women Hitler was supposed to protect, as their leader, got horribly treated. We tried to curb this foolishness a long time ago and various people defended Mukunda's program. Its amazing how gullible some devotees are, they think worship of Hitler is the way to go forward, just like other foolish devotees think worship of GBC gurus is the way forward, all of them are foolish. ys pd]
This agent "Mukunda" works for another agenda. His father was a prominent figure of the United Grand Lodge of Russia that is also represented in the UK. "Mukunda" is well aware that on the European mainland they have the Verbotsgesetz, see below. Anybody who endorses Hitler and his Nazi regime, especially Holocaust denial is locked up in jail for three years up to ten years. So this "Mukunda" works tirelessly since ten years to advertise ISKCON as a Nazi advocate movement. Goal is -- that the mass of people on the European mainland stay away from ISKCON. That instead ISKCON temples on the European mainland are run and owned by Russian devotees who simply exploit the mass of people with seminars subject to a fee. That's why the British police let's agent "Mukunda" do what he wants. Since the eighties Masonic groups are checking ISKCON that the mass of people is kept at a distance. This was about going to happen during Prabhupada's presence, especially young people trying to break away from material society and forming a state within the state. Since masonic lodges work with the governments they do not want that. So this agent "Mukunda" is not a devotee, rather a paid infiltrator who works for another agenda.
ReplyDeleteSection 3 h VerbotsG included in 1992 states that -- whoever in a printed work, on broadcasting or in any other media, or whoever otherwise publicly in a matter that it makes it accessible to many people, denies, belittles, condones or tries to justify the Nazi genocide or other Nazi crimes against humanity shall be punished with imprisonment for one year up to ten years, in the case of special perilousness of the offender or the engagement up to twenty years. All cases are to be tried by jury.
[PADA: Well yep, a Europe devotee re-posted some Mukunda stuff and he then wrote to me later on that the result was -- his internet provider kicked him off the internet forever and now he has to go to a computer cafe. We have tried to tell people that linking Krishna to the Nazis is not a good idea for years, but its attracting some customers because there will always be people who worship such demons, and Srila Prabhupada said even in India there are people who worship them. Anyway, yes, Mukunda also posted an article that there are too many brown people in UK, ok he is a racist and so are his followers. Without Prabhupada and his brown body, none of us would know about Krishna, Mukunda would have had Prabhupada banned from Europe. Yes, he has another agenda, clearly. I am just glad more folks are waking up to that, we have pointed this out for years. ys pd]