Monday, February 27, 2017

Hansadutta / Berkeley Temple / Sulochana pt.2



PADA: I was encouraging Sulochana to leave New Vrndavana and come out to visit me in California, where we could work together. He was still not yet convinced that it was the ripe time to make an uprising against these GBC's gurus. Sulochana even sent me a tape of Kirtanananda's lecture, saying that the drug and illicit sex GBC "guru" Jayatirtha is not the real Jayatirtha, its the maya one, just like Mother Sita has her real form and maya form. The real Jayatirtha is serving Krishna purely on another plane. What!

I told Sulochana this is the worst explanation for an alleged guru's drugs and illicit sex problems ever recorded in history, and its an insult to Mother Sita too, and said to him I was surprised he was sending me this as a good explanation for these guru's shenanigans.   

He said, yes its off, but New Vrndavana is a good place for his wife and family and so he needed to stay there, mainly because his wife was very attached to being there for "devotee association." However he later called me and said he was now leaving officially, he was finished with Kirtanananda Swami, and he was taking his children, packing up, and he was going to get out of New Vrndavana even without his wife. 

He said he was going to come to out to see me California, and that was the plan. Unfortunately, what happened was that the New Vrndavana leaders sent a van load of goons out to to stop him. And these goons basically kidnapped his children by gunpoint. The goons then took his children back to New Vrndavana and then they assisted Sulochana's wife to file divorce papers, and they got various members of the community to falsely testify against Sulochana Das and tried make it look like he should not have custody of his children because he was an unfit parent. 

In other words, the Temple aided the wife of Sulocana to get official legal custody of his children. Sulochana was very worried that his children might be abused there, because he said there was an atmosphere of child abuse in that community. 

In any case, he had to get out of there. Sulochana then said he's coming to Berkeley to meet with me, but on his way he wanted to stop in Los Angeles and pick up some documents from the Bhaktivedanta Archives, and he said we needed to get started researching into what Srila Prabhupada had actually said about the future of his movement. 

For example, was there any evidence he had appointed these 11 guru successors? And if he really did appoint the 11 successors, then wouldn't we see evidence from his letters or lectures? So Sulochana stopped in Los Angeles and he bribed the archives people to give him a microfiche of the letters and a copy of the audio of the so-called May 28th 1977 "guru appointment tape." 

At the time, the letters and the so-called appointment tape audio were not being circulated, and people like Satsvarupa Das Goswami had said openly he opposed having Srila Prabhupada's letters being circulated. He said these letters should not be publicized because they are private instructions, and they do not apply the overall society. 

Anyway, Sulochana Dasa finally got up to Berkeley where he met with me in a little motel, the Flamingo Motel in Berkeley. And we then purchased microfiche readers so we could read the letters. Many people do not realize how difficult it was in those days to get something like Srila Prabhupada's letters, because they were only on microfiche, and you'd need a special reader to view them. That is, if you could get the microfiche ... Sulochana also told me that Ramesvara had phoned his motel room and warned him to return the microfiche or become "dead meat on a hook."

Gradually, we were gathering materials which would eventually challenge the so-called guru appointment. Hansadutta was beginning to panic, he saw that we were eventually going to be a major threat to his claim of being the guru of ISKCON Berkeley. At the same time, we finally got a copy of Srila Prabhupada's will, which was actually hidden in Hansadutta's safe. A devotee got it out of there for me. In the safe was also a copy of the Topanga Talks where Hansadutta and Tamal were admitting that there was no guru appointment.

Why was Hansadutta hiding these documents in his safe?

At one point Hansadutta became more and more paranoid about our creeping up on his big guru appointment lie, and one of his reactions was that Hansadutta went out in his Jeep with four loaded guns, and he then shot up various OCCUPIED buildings in downtown Berkeley. The people inside were panicked and ducking down on the floor, thinking they could have been shot and killed, and they could have been. Luckily, these bullets missed the inhabitants. One building he shot at was an auto dealership, which had the giant plate glass windows shot out. Yep, the temple had to pay for all these fines and damages.

When the police finally stopped Hansadutta, he had the four guns inside his vehicle so they knew it was him. And he was arrested for shooting at occupied buildings, and there was an open bottle of alcohol in his vehicle. In addition he was carrying $16,000 in cash on his person. 

OK notice, Hansadutta had already had the Berkeley Temple raided by federal authorities. And the farm was raided by federal authorities. And all this created horrible media publicity for the Krishna movement. Now he is shooting at occupied buildings, and he expects what, good publicity? 

What is evident is that he had no concern for the bad publicity he was creating for the ISKCON movement, its devotees, or the image of Krishna in general. And shooting at occupied buildings shows, no concern for the lives of others either. How did you guess, then Hansadutta's folks took a tremendous amount of temple money to hire the best lawyers in town, to save him from the charges of shooting at these people in these buildings. 

So once again, Srila Prabhupada's movement has to pay to bail out this criminal for his criminal behaviors. At the same time, some poor devotees who were struggling with their rent payment were appalled that Hansadutta was carrying around $16,000 cash as his pocket change expense money. In other words, he was sucking the life out of ISKCON with his money spending extravaganza lifestyle. 

Thus, (A) on the one hand Hansadutta is taking away the devotees by banning and removing them -- which reduces the income, and on the other hand (B) he is creating giant extravagant legal expense bills for the temple with his criminal actions, ok he is basically trying to bankrupt the society, and he nearly did. Of course in a normal society the guy who is shooting at occupied buildings full of people is fired and removed, but the GBC could not muster up any process to get rid of him. So they share in the karma of creating all this mayhem in the name of Krishna. 

Part three in the works -- stay tuned! 

Aindra Das (with Russian Subtitles) Video


German ISKCON Devotee Storms Puri Temple

Hansadutta's History Part. 1 (And Berkeley's temple)


[PADA: A few devotees have recently asked me to comment on my views of Hansadutta. Lets just say, his history speaks for itself. As Madhvacarya says, anyone who understands history is eligible for liberation. So if we understand the history of his actions, everything will be clear.

As for me personally, it was also my karma to be in the middle of this group. Thus, I hold no grudges or animosity personally, because its my own destiny (and its all of our's destiny collectively) to be part of this history. As some folks say, history is unforgiving, it is what it is. So here is a glimpse into this history, and don't tell me its wrong, I lived it. ys pd]

PADA: Hansadutta has done some good service, some not so good, and some just plain awful. I'd like to concentrate mainly on how Hansadutta has influenced post-1977 ISKCON, but there are a few details pre-1977 that would help us understand the post-1977 era better. 

The first problem with Hansadutta was in the early 1970s, when his Schloss Rettershoff was raided by the police in Germany. The Police discovered he was reading books about Hitler and the third Reich, and this was reported in the newspapers and media in Europe. Srila Prabhupada was very upset by this event, and he spoke (and wrote in his Srimad Bhagavatam) that we should not even be discussing, what to speak of reading books about, Hitler. Srila Prabhupada said Hitler is a mundane man whose program failed. Of course even as a karmi I hated to read about Hitler, because whatever Hitler is all about, its not going to help my spiritual life one iota.

Hansadutta created a big public scandal from this event. But what was more important for me personally was to realize -- here is a person who is reading books about Hitler and Joseph Goebbels for inspiration on how to proceed in life. Why isn't he reading -- say for example -- a book about the life of the Goswamis? Now its well known that the lives of Hitler and Joseph Goebbels are generally seen as malefic: Using secret cabals and skulduggery; Misleading and misrepresenting; and worse -- In order to promote oneself as an absolute dictator, unquestioned tyrant, and superior authority. What kind of mindset is attracted to reading about these ideas? You are studying the megalomania super ego mindset and process, for what reason?



The megalomaniacs sabha


PHOTOS ON ALTARS


Then the next issue that emerged in the 1970s was that Hansadutta and Kirtanananda were placing their photos on the ISKCON temple's altars. And we know a devotee who took Hansadutta's picture off the Germany altar, and stepped on it. At that time, Srila Prabhupada said that at least in the Gaudiya Matha they waited until their guru had left his body -- before placing their own photos on the altar, but my disciples are so disrespectful and ambitious, they will place their own photos on my altars while I'm still alive. 

After that, Prithu das told us that Srila Prabhupada had told him; Everyone else is praying for me to live, but Hansadutta is praying for me to die, so he can sit in my seat and take my place. So clearly there was a lot of motivation to replace Srila Prabhupada among these so-called leaders. Prithu further says, Srila Prabhupada told Hansadutta the "punar musika bhava" story, be careful -- because disrespecting your guru will make you -- again -- become a mouse. And some say, this has already happened to him in this life.

SECRET MEETINGS

After Srila Prabhupada left the planet in November of 1977, Hansadutta told me that he and the other 10 "gurus" held secret meetings where they plotted out their plan to take over the post of acharya from Srila Prabhupada. For example, Satsvarupa Das Goswmi pretended to be a disciple of Srila Prabhupada and he held mock debates with the other 10 "gurus" to train them how to argue that they had been appointed as the successors. So this means Hansadutta knew these leaders were plotting against Srila Prabhupada, and in fact he was a member of their "plot and scheme" program. Srila Prabhupada had warned, why are my leaders sitting around -- plotting and scheming? And who were they plotting against -- if not Srila Prabhupada himself?

TOSSING SRILA PRABHUPADA UNDER THE BUS

Now a lot of people tell me, these guys such as Hansadutta really loved Srila Prabhupada all along, you just cannot see it. Really? Yet the first thing the Hansadutta cabal did was -- to say that Srila Prabhupada is a defective mundane man, because he makes the mistake of appointing 11 conditioned souls as Krishna's successors. That would mean: Srila Prabhupada does not know who is Krishna; Or who is His successor; Or what is the parampara; Or what is the process of liberation etc. 

We 11 are the new acharyas, and we are defective, because acharyas like Srila Prabhupada are also defective. We are all equals, one and the same, we are all the shaksat hari tvena program, and thus our defects are the same defects you will find in Krishna and His acharyas. This is what Srila Prabhupada said about the Gaudiya Matha's deviants, they dragged the acharyas to their level.  

So they did everything they could to make it appear as though Srila Prabhupada is an ordinary conditioned being who makes huge mistakes, thus he cannot distinguish what is pure and what is not pure. Of course they had to do that since they were painting themselves as acharyas, so naturally they would have to say ALL acharyas are defective, to cover up their own defects. And so in 1980 they wrote their "Mahajanas Have Diffiiculties" paper, to say that its common for great souls to fall into illusion, like they were doing left, right and center. 

So, we love Krishna and Srila Prabhupada, therefore, we are going to establish that defective beings, sexual predators, deviants, drug addicts, homosexuals from Mott Street, criminals, porno swamis, and the most degraded behaviors on earth, are the successors to Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. Where is the love for Krishna if one is saying Krishna's successors are drug addicts and debauchees? 

Sulochana das summarized all this, he said it would have been better if Hansadutta had established the worship of a bucket of dogs stools than his acharya sabha, because a bucket of dogs stools cannot molest children and orchestrate assassinations of vaishnavas. A bucket of dog stools thus cannot harm anyone, while these guys can get me killed. 

Sulochana said that Hansadutta is not advanced enough to worship a bucket of dog stools, because that would be too much in the modes of goodness in comparison to his deviant acharyas. And this is a fact, if they had worshiped a bucket of dogs stools, Sulochana would still be alive. 

Of course Hansadutta in 1986 also worked hand in glove with Kirtanananda and the people who wanted to kill Sulochana. No kidding, Sulochana had these people pegged and they wanted to eliminate those who saw their real natures. Now the flood gates have been opened by these people like Hansadutta, who wanted to establish that acharyas are defective. And so its now common around ISKCON to hear that acharyas are defective and falling into every deviation known to man, because even Srila Prabhupada is defective according to their process. 

The Pandora's box is now open, thus people tell me all the time, well Jeepers prabhu, even the parampara acharyas have defects, why are you so concerned about the GBC's acharyas defects? So this was Hansadutta's contribution to ISKCON's history, he wanted to establish that acharyas are mundane and defective, and that would include Krishna and His acharyas, and this has totally contaminated the entire ISKCON atmosphere. He could have done what we did, resist and do not comply with this deviation, but he was getting too many fringe benefits to give it up.   

GOEBBELS MEETS MACHIAVELLI

So Hansadutta was one of the original conspirators against Srila Prabhupada. Of course Sudama swami said to me that Hansadutta and his pals were already plotting this guru take over process earlier, in May of 1977, or maybe before that even. Hansadutta had a powerful attraction to Tamal Krishna swami, who was telling other GBC to read the book "The Prince" by Machiavelli. Yep, Hansadutta with his Joseph Goebbels program, and Tamal with Machiavelli's, what could go wrong here? 

THE PLAN TO PURGE THE DEVOTEES

Shortly after December of 1977, Hansadutta then spent a tremendous amount of time associating with Tamal Krishna Goswami, and they worked together closely to remove as many Srila Prabhupada followers as possible from ISKCON, and to replace his followers with their own fanatical followers. For example by 1984 there were only three original Srila Prabhupda followers left in Berkeley temple, and one of them was Hansadutta. So Hansadutta removed nearly all of the original worshipers of Srila Prabhupada in order to establish his own worship, and he plotted with the other false gurus to remove the worship of Srila Prabhupada from the entire worldwide society of ISKCON, and to displace his worship with theirs.

MACHINE GUN SWAMI


But things were not going well because for starters, so many of Hansadutta's new followers were criminals. So the federal authorities raided Berkeley Temple and temple farm where they found many stolen items, and they uncovered an illegal gun sales business. At the same time, Hansadutta was arrested for having a machine gun in the trunk of his vehicle. 

And all of these scandals were published in the news media, so Hansadutta was re-creating another major media scandal that he had already created in Germany. And the local police officer -- Joe Sanchez, made a record 75 felony arrests in a short time, and all of these arrests were made from Hansadutta's followers at the Berkeley temple. In other words, Hansadutta was self-evidently encouraging criminals to join is operation, and go out and commit crimes.

POLICE MAKE RECORD NUMBER of FELONY ARRESTS

Then Berkeley police officer Joe Sanchez was awarded the "most felonies arrest record in twelve months" by the city, and for "cleaning up the Krishna temple." Of course the GBC could not clean out a clogged kitchen sink much less contain Hansadutta. Meanwhile Hansadutta made a rock and roll recording that he was the "Gangster Prankster Guru," and the local newspapers called him "The Machine Gun Swami." My personal favorite song on his rock album was Hansadutta's "Guru, guru, on the wall, who is the heaviest of them all" --- rat a tat tat -- (a machine gun shooting). Yep, a guru with a machine gun, he is the heaviest of them all! Hee hee!

His followers plastered all these newspaper clippings with photos of Hansadutta wearing mirror sun glasses and a machine gun underneath, looking like a MAFIA hit man, all over the Berkeley temple. These followers were taking great pride that their guru had now the huge public reputation for being a dangerous machine gun toting crime boss. 

NEW AGE PEOPLE TERRIFIED 


Did we forget to mention that almost all the local new age people became terrified of the Krishna religion, and some still are, due to this Hansadutta program of worshiping machine gun swamis? Then again Hansadutta showed Gurukripa a gun and told him "they are out to get me, but I am ready for them" as he waved the gun around and Gurukripa was worried, he could be shot, if nothing else, by accident by this gun waving person! And many of Hansadutta's followers also had guns, ok you become what you worship, and if you worship the gun guru, you will tend to be a gun nut person yourself.  

Basically, a devotee told us, Hansadutta did everything humanly possible to ruin the good name of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna, and to toss Krishna under the bus to promote himself. We agree. He could not have ruined the name any worse than he did.   

CAUSING GRIEF TO HUNDREDS OF VAISHNAVAS


Meanwhile, some of the original Srila Prabhupada followers were feeling tremendous grief having been removed from their service to the deity. For example, one woman friend of ours was removed by the Hansadutta program from doing her service to the Berkeley temple deity, and so she told me -- because she missed her serving the deity, she no longer has the will to live. OK she wants to die, all due to the machinations of Hansadutta.

Shortly after that (around 1987) she was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and she died at a younger age. Needless to say, people like me went to visit her as she was laying dying in the hospital, Hansadutta was nowhere to be found. Other original disciples of Srila Prabhupada who were removed also died of other problems, like heroin, alcohol poisoning, and many of their deaths that were premature. 

CAUSING PREMATURE DEATH OF VAISHNAVAS


Do I think Hansadutta caused hers and similar other's premature deaths? Most Definitely. I would further argue that his policy not only murdered her direct or indirect, his policy essentially tortured her to death. Her death was very slow and very painful, and he is thus the main suspect that created this suffering and premature death, so yes he is responsible for her dying because he is the person who caused her to lose her will to live. OK, there is no nice way to say this, his hands are full of her blood. That is not only what I believe, if one causes someone else to die by indirect means, what to speak of Hansadutta's program's chronic bullying of this poor woman, even the karmi courts consider one as a participant in the death of another.

Now if we consider that a person has to suffer many thousands of years in hell for each hair on a cow, for causing that cow to die, what if the victim is a human and a vaishnava? Furthermore, Srila Prabhupada says that blocking vaishnavas from moving where they want to go -- is the same as blocking Krishna from moving where He wants to go, because the vaishnavas are authorized to move by Krishna's will. 

Imagine then if one blocks thousands of vaishnavas from moving where they want to go? Imagine if these vaishnavas are then suffering and dying from being blocked from seeing Krishna? Even one old lady was standing on the shoulders of Lord Chaitanya and He said its very sinful to stop this woman from viewing the Lord. 

Now a regular woman who manages a restaurant was charged with manslaughter, because a young man she employed committed suicide due to her bullying him. Notice, even in the mundane world we are not allowed to cause one death, we are immediately criminal, guilty of murder or manslaughter. What if the person we had manslaughtered was very dear to Krishna and Srila Prabhupada? 

How will the legal court system of Yamaraja deal with that crime? 

And why did the rest of the GBC allow this to go on in Berkeley, unless they were aiding and abetting this crime? And were there not other premature deaths and / or major problems with other devotees worldwide who had been banned and removed? And were not these leaders gloating, oh yes, they are falling, goody, they are no longer our competition. Hansadutta could have declared Berkeley a Prabhupada centered temple and invited these refugee people to come and take shelter, but no, he was with the evil plotters.     

WAS THIS THE PLAN ALL ALONG?


Many folks have asked us, wasn't that the apparent Hansadutta program's plan from the get go? Lets get rid of Srila Prabhupada, and what better way than to get rid of his followers, and take over, following in the footsteps of the bogus Gaudiya Matha's gurus. Did we forget to mention that Hansadutta was a big supporter of Gaudiya Matha leaders like Sridhara Maharaja? Hansadutta had a giant eight foot high photo of himself sitting with Sridhara Maharaja placed in the temple foyer. Yep, the founder father of the 1936 illicit sex and murder of dissenters bogus guru program is the main person Hansadutta worshiped, and he wanted everyone else to worship this program as well. 

I HAVE DONE TOO MANY DIRTY DEEDS

There are also examples of direct followers of Hansadutta who felt suicidal later on as well, after they realized he was cheating them. At least one of them (who was our friend after he abandoned Hansadutta) killed himself, he said to me that he had "done too many dirty deeds for Hansadutta -- and now he is going to hell for serving this demon." I said, did you murder people? And he said, well maybe yes, maybe no, but its along those lines. And so he is another victim, only question is, is he victim number 50, 500, 5,000 -- or more? 

BUDDHIMANTA HAS TO ESCAPE


Of course many others died in other ways, for example (ISKCON's best book distributor?) Buddhimanta told me he could no longer participate in ISKCON because it had become too far "Hansadutta-ized" and it was too depressing. He told me its better to play tennis than to go to the temple and see these foolish disciples of Hansadutta. And so, perhaps from depression, he developed a terminal cancer brain tumor, and he too died at a younger age. 

Incidentally Buddhimanta had married Himavati, and she reportedly became an alcoholic and also died prematurely. She was in any case very depressed. So it's hard to put a exact number on how many original Srila Prabhupada followers -- fell down, fell away, suffered horribly, felt suicidal, or died, but there are many who suffered this fate as a result of the activities of Hansadutta. Yep, how many crushed skulls are under his gestapo jack boots, no one knows, but there are many millions when we consider how he also turned the mass of public away from surrendering to Krishna by his program of presenting criminals and sexual predators as God's messiahs. And he was one of these criminals and sexual predator bogus messiahs himself ...

ITS TIME TO PARTY!

Meanwhile, as these victimized folks problems worsened, Hansadutta was in extreme party time mode, drinking beer, peppermint shops, and he was also taking percodon (a psychotropic drug). So Hansadutta really had no idea how much suffering he was causing to the followers of Srila Prabhupada, or ISKCON, nor did he care one iota, because he was in a constant chronic drug-induced stupor. He was also going to some drug rehab program, that was costing the temple a bomb. It was all about himself, at the expense of everyone else.

HANSADUTTA's LIFE SAVED by ME

At the same time he was having illicit sex with reportedly half dozen women. I saved Hansadutta's life once, when a husband wanted to use a sawed off shot gun to blow off Hansadutta's head for having sex with his wife, and I restrained this man and told him its not worth it to kill Hansadutta. Of course there are some people who later on told me it was a mistake to save his life, he should have been taken out so he could not engage in his favorite pastime, causing more misery to others, and to the entire planet thereby.

SLEEPING 23 HOURS A DAY


And at one point he was sleeping 23 hours a day due to taking too many intoxicants, with little or no concern for even himself, what the speak of having concern for others. The only good news is at this point, when he was sleeping 23 hours a day due to massive intoxication, he invited me to come to Berkeley and re-establish the worship of SP. So I did come there and began preaching my Prabhupadanuga idea, except Hansadutta never told his followers that I had the right idea, so I was in a very precarious and potentially dangerous situation because his followers were very fanatical.

Stay tuned for part 2!


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Early days Kirtanananda / Umapati / Bhavananda


Friday, February 24, 2017

Trump and The Illuminati Rising Program!

Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardan / Tamohara -- Illuminati-ism finally revealed! Yes, PADA is getting paid by the CIA! Question: Where is my CIA paycheck, its never in my mailbox? ys pd  

Annapurna's Art Gallery

Shiva Ratri (Feb 25 USA)




Radhanath Swami's Impersonal Leanings

[PADA: It seems like a lot of people, including the GBC, forget that Radhanatha was Kirtanananda's right hand man when all the crimes were going on at New Vrndavana? And he was a leader of having the Jesus deity program, concocted Western songs, dressing devotees in brown monk robes, making women sannyasas, and so on and so forth? Why is this type of person made -- the biggest leader of ISKCON? ys pd]

Radhanath Swami Shares Teachings of the Mayavadis and Sahajiyas He Associated With

BY: SVATANTRA DASA

"In 1970, at the age of only nineteen, Radhanath Swami left his home in America seeking adventure and spiritual knowledge. After trekking across Europe for months, he reached his long hoped for destination: India. After living there for many years as a Sadhu or wandering monk, he returned to America in order to share the sacred knowledge and wisdom he had learned from the many holy men and women he had met there. He is a disciple of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder Acarya of International Society for Krishna Consciousness."
(From www.ecovillage.org.in)

Radhanath Swami associated with bogus mayavadis and sahajiyas, yet he is going to share their teachings, Prabhupada just being one among many of his teachers.

On the Internet, I just saw someone had posed a platitude attributed to Radhanath Swami, which uses a background picture of the Ganga at Rsikesh as its watermark. In and of itself, that's no problem, but added to all the mixed messages Radhanath Swami tends to communicate (see below), it creates an impression one simply doesn't get from Srila Prabhupada, his books, or his followers.

At www.ecovillage.org.in, one is hard-pressed to find any explicit mention of the five practices Rupa Gosvami lists as the mukhya-angas of bhakti (Deity worship, sankirtana, residence in the dhama, hearing Bhagavatam, and associating with pure devotees)—which Srila Prabhupada also instituted as the daily practices of ISKCON temples for good reasons.

To be sure, the website mentions ISKCON, Krishna, and Srila Prabhupada at least once, but such passing reference hardly balances the much greater emphasis given to yoga, yoga teacher traning, and the two-dozen mundane initiatives and outreach projects that actually form the bulk of the website's core content. It also doesn't appear to mention Lord Caitanya. Neither does it ever explain Srila Prabhupada's teachings in any detail—at all—what to speak of urging viewers to read (or buy) his books.

So the Govardhana Eco-village website's approach rather reminds me of what Sri Govinda dasa did to BTG when he was editor for brief period around 1977--when Srila Prabhupada replaced Sri Govinda because he didn't like the quasi-secular trajectory Sri Govinda was taking ISKCON's "backbone."

Quotes attributed to Radhanatha Swami very often have an unclear referent—especially when talking about "love." We don't always get the understanding Srila Prabhupada most often emphasized--that love is exclusively for Krsna, who is the Supreme Person. So what exactly is "divine love," and who is it ultimately directed to?

Often, Radhanatha Swami quotes don't even clearly address spiritual life at all.
Many of them appeal chiefly to the emotions. Most of them are distinctly impersonal and vague.

Here are several examples of these characteristics (each quoted without its original context) taken from www.radhanathswamiquotes.com:

"God loves each of us whoever we are or are not, whatever we've done or not, nothing can change this ok eternal truth: The Supreme loves us unconditionally and eternally."

"Even our greatest achievements are hollow unless we've achieved a measure of inner satisfaction."

"When spiritual ideals form the foundation of a relationship, the relationship can survive whatever challenges may arise."

"Hope can nourish, sustain, and inspire us to grow even in challenging circumstances."

"Caring for each other with patience, tolerance, and humility is part of what it means to walk a spiritual path." (This one has a picture two people holding hands.)"

"The will to grow despite the heat of adversity is necessary if one wants to thrive."

"Every moment is perfect and sacred, and a divine power has engineered it in some imperceptible way and woven it into our intricate tapestry of life for our spiritual progress."

"Replace behaviors that impede growth with behaviors that nourish it, and the flower of self-realization will bloom." (What specific behaviors does Radhanath Swami have in mind here—or more importantly, what specific behaviors do various readers have in mind?)

"If you really care about somebody, then there is a force beyond our own that can empower us to actually inspire them."

Those who carefully study Srila Prabhupada's books every day and are familiar with his activities, and the policies he established for ISKCON, already understand the significance of this. It seems reasonable to wonder how much of Radhanatha Swami's popularity actually derives from the fact the one can more easily derive whatever one desires to hear from so much of what he says.

Srila Prabhupada wasn't so ambiguous; he made his intended message inescapably clear. For one example, Prabhupada deliberately chose not to name ISKCON the "International Society for God Consciousness" because he wanted to obviate any potential misunderstanding about who God actually is. Thus Srila Prabhupada carefully prevented the kind of misunderstanding that characterizes so much of what is publicized in Radhanatha Swami's name, as seen above. God has a name—Krsna—and Srila Prabhupada attentively insured that everyone knew this.

Comparatively speaking, Srila Prabhupada similarly avoided using the general terms "devotion" and "love." Throughout his books, lectures, letters, and conversations, any mention of "divine love" is by far surpassed by his use of more specific and descriptive phrases like, "pure devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna;" "transcendental loving service to Lord Krsna;" "surrender to Krsna," "Krsna-prema," and so on. He didn't avoid these explicit terms or refer to the surrendering process merely as "a wisdom tradition," for he was too faithful to both the spirit and example of his own guru, whose unambiguous and unsparing "chopping technique" earned him the moniker, "lion-guru."

Even when Srila Prabhupada necessarily spoke of material life in order to direct his disciples (particularly grhasthas), his books especially endorsed the traditional and standard authorities for such affairs, including Canakya-niti, Hitopadesa, and codes by Yajnavalkya, Patrasara, and of course Manu (e.g., See the purport to Bhagavad-gita 16.7, and many similar references).

Srila Prabhupada also made it clear that real love for anyone in this world extends only from Krsna-prema, as its natural concomitant; he was consistently clear that no love otherwise exists in the material world. His purport to the song, "Gaurangera duti pada" represents this nicely, but other such references are legion.

Far from publicly appreciating (or allowing himself to be identified with) various Indian "gurus" of dubious persuasions, Srila Prabhupada (like his own guru) adamantly distinguished his movement from any scent of nondevotional affiliation—especially any hint of mayavada or impersonalism. Toward this end, he directly instructed his disciples to avoid even bona fide slokas such as "gurur brahma gurur visnuh" and "sri-krsna govinda hare murare," largely because these were commonly sung by impersonalists. Similarly, Srila Prabhupada even changed the Panca-tattva mahamantra from "bhaja sri krsna-caitanya" (which was sung also by sahajiyas and others) to "jaya sri-krsna-caitanya," etc. Like his books, Srila Prabhupada personally always prohibited ISKCON devotees from intimately mixing with such persons.

Bhagavad Gita in foreign languages?

Sachisuta Dasa <scsdasa@gmail.com>

Hare krishna prabhus / matajis
PAMHO AGTSP
For our temple we are collecting different languages of original Bhagavad gita as it is. We are in need of below languages, and if any devotee can send them please send me an e-mail.

Armenian,
Azerbaijani,
Bulgarian,
Burmese,
Danish,
Farsi,
Finnish,
Gregorian,
Hebrew,
Indonesian,
Japanese,
Kazakh,
Korean,
Manipuri,
Mongolain,
Serbo-Croatian,
Swahili,
Thai
Ukrainian,
Vietnamese,
Ys Sachisuta dasa

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[PADA: If anyone knows if there are original editions of Bhagavad Gita being printed in ANY foreign language, please let us know so we can advertise that book and the program that distributes it. ys pd 


Thursday, February 23, 2017

Artificial Intelligence (video from Montreal)


Hare Krishna Tunes on Harmonium (Videos)

Hari Sauri (Denis Harrison) Kills and Preserves the Parampara?



Hari Sauri now says we need to preserve the writings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, to save the teachings of the parampara for future generations. Except, Hari Sauri and his book changing termites program are chomping up the books of Srila Prabhupada with tons of unauthorized changes. His program is not even preserving the writings of his own guru. And they are kicking out the book distribution devotees who do not want to promote these termite edited materials.

And Hari Sauri is the number one person who has preserved the worship of his illicit sex GBC's gurus project, and his program claims it is common for acharyas to fall into such illiusions, why preserve their writings if they are subject to maya left, right and center? 

Hari Sauri's program says God's guru parampara successors and acharyas are often: alcoholics, sex predators, drug fiends, machine gun swamis, porno swamis, criminals, chicken salad eaters, orchestrators of murders of vaishnavas; book changers, deviants, rascals, persons who illegally sell Prabhupada's temples and properties; people who orchestrate mass abuse and molesting; people who are watching star wars movies; people who are dating their 13 years old female students, ad infinitum. 

And this is how he has "preserved" the parampara? 

By killing it? Yep, even my trash man is way more spiritually advanced than Hari Sauri's debauchee-fied messiahs program. Hari Sauri has dedicated his life to adding all of the worst behaviors known to man into his alleged God's successor parampara, thus Hari Sauri has made God's successors into the worst examples of debauchees and naradhamas ever seen in any guru parampara in the history of the universe, and that is how he preserves the parampara?       

Hari Sauri wants to preserve his illlicit sex guru parampara, and have us protesters banned, beaten, sued and killed, and that is all he has ever done since 1977. He has thus preserved a nice seat at Yama's court, since no one is allowed to say that the successors to God are degraded debauchees left, right and center, because that is identical to saying God is a degraded debauchee Himself, because the successors are shaksat hari tvena, same as God Himself. 

So Hari Sauri's program says God's successors are deviants because that makes God a deviant. Why does Hari Sauri hate God? And why is he always allowed to preach his program's nonsense ideas, that God's successors are often illicit sex criminal deviants, in ISKCON temples?   

ys pd

India's Motorcycle Temple

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/video/om-bannas-motorcycle-temple-india-175216857.html

[PADA: Warning, graphic car crash scenes. India is suffering from over emphasis on Western technology, a problem that cannot be solved by this motorcycle temple program. Meanwhile a travelling devotee says he keeps seeing more and more demigod's pictures in ISKCON temples, because they are also going in the direction of being another version of various Hindu-ized programs. This is not what will save people either. ys pd]  

Wednesday, February 22, 2017

India World's Top Arms Importer

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/8b51f91d-d978-3209-a423-30c618c58e79/ss_india-top-arms-importer%2C.html

[PADA: Yep, in India, its common that many temples, sewer systems, water delivery systems, old buses, roads, bridges, trains, polluted rivers, cows eating plastic, and conditions of infrastructure overall, are often falling apart, but there is always plenty of money on hand for buying jet fighters, bombs, missiles, guns, tanks and other useful wartime items. Hmm, and this is what the GBC does, they often let the condition of the temples and devotees deteriorate, but there is always money for lawsuits! That is what Kali Yuga is all about, the leaders will spend money on things that do not benefit the citizens, like arms and endless lawsuits ... ys pd]  

Akshaya Patra Opens New Distribution Center

Kirtana in Moscow Russia




[PADA: This is really nice, its a shame these people are being told that the path back to Godhead is to worship the GBC's illicit sex messiahs project. Anyway, a lot of them will worship Srila Prabhupada on their own and they will pull through this by the potency of the vani of Prabhupada. ys pd]

Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Sri Rama Trilogy (Nice Art Here!)

Hare Krishna (?) Scam-Kirtana Expose (Kitv.com)

GBC takes their guru to -- court?

[PADA: Wow! Perhaps the most unpopular person in the universe, Jayadvaita swami the book changer, is now the main hero and "savior" of the Brooklyn temple sale fiasco. So this is amazing, the GBC first appointed Romapada as their guru -- then they found out much later, that the guru does not need to listen to the GBC because the guru is independent of ecclesiastical bodies. 

So now the GBC has had to go to court to get the legal justice system to contain and control their bogus gurus, gurus which they themselves appointed. Doesn't the GBC know, gurus are not controlled by ecclesiastical bodies, or courts, and so on and so forth, and guru is controlled and dictated to -- by God? The guru is getting dictation from God, not Jayadvaita swami? 

Now the GBC is saying they need to use the courts, to check what God is dictating and doing? Why not admit, their gurus are bogus and they are not getting dictation from God? 

Meanwhile, the GBC has launched YET another multi-million dollar legal problem, because their members are being charged with crimes in the Karnataka court, which the GBC will presumably pay possibly millions for their legal defenses. Why is the GBC always figuring out ways to waste millions more money on lawyers, court cases and -- now, taking their own guru to court? 

And the GBC / Rocana / Torben Nielsen crowd are still saying, we simply need to have better rules and regulations for our acharyas to contain and control them, and this will fix things! Fine except, if you have to fix your own acharya with legislation, rules, censure, removal for deviations, and now -- lawsuits -- then he is not an acharya. ys pd]      



GBC "vigorously opposes" the Brooklyn Sale

BY: H.H. JAYADVAITA SWAMI

For immediate release
February 18, 2017
Contact: Jayadvaita Swami
jaswami+rgbrooklyn@gmail.com

GBC to NY Attorney General's Office:
The GBC "vigorously opposes" the Brooklyn Sale

On January 3, the GBC Executive Committee notified the New York State Attorney General's office that the GBC "vigorously opposes the [Bharati] Center's petition seeking approval of the Sale" of the Radha­Govinda temple in Brooklyn. The Executive Committee's attorney, Daniel Alcott, wrote to the Attorney General's office on the GBC's behalf.

The GBC's move dramatically boosts the likelihood that the State will disapprove the sale. Without State approval, the sale cannot go through. Mr. Alcott wrote to the AG's office that the GBC is the "governing ecclesiastical body" of ISKCON and the Bharati Center. And: "The ISKCON GBC is convinced that the sale does not promote the purposes of the Center or the interests of its members."

By narrowly focusing on "the purposes of the Center" and "the interests of its members," the GBC prudently offers strong reasons for disallowing the sale, while at the same time affording the prospective Buyer no grounds on which to sue the temple. (Last year in Mayapur, the NY leaders had raised the alarm to the GBC that if the sale were blocked the Buyer could file a multi­million­dollar lawsuit, and so the GBC proceeded with caution.)

Mr. Alcott's letter also asks that the EC be notified if, as expected, the question of whether the State should allow the sale goes to a local Brooklyn court. The letter reserves the right for the GBC to appear, through its EC, in any such proceeding.

Eric Weiss, an attorney representing congregational members opposing the sale, says that the GBC's letter is "a game­changer." Now the State will see a pending sale opposed not only from below by a large segment of the congregation but also from above by the highest body of ISKCON's religious hierarchy. Under the circumstances, the chances seem high that the State will disallow the sale.

Vijaya Ekadasi (Feb 22 USA)



Yudhisthira Maharaj said, “Oh Lord Sri Krishna, O glorious son of Vasudeva, please be merciful to me and describe the Ekadasii that occurs during the dark fortnight of the month of Phalguna (February-March)"

Lord Sri Krishna replied, “Oh Yudhisthira, Oh king of kings, gladly I shall tell you about this great fast, known as Vijaya Ekadasii. Whoever observes it certainly achieves success in this life and the next. All the sins of one who fasts on this Ekadasii and hears its sublime glories are eradicated.

“Narada Muni once asked lord Brahma, who sits on a lotus flower about the Vijaya Ekadasii. Sri Narada said, ‘Oh best of all the demigods, kindly tell me the merit one can achieve by faithfully observing Vijaya Ekadasii.’

“Narada’s great father then replied, ‘My dear son, this oldest of fasting days is pure, and it nullifies all sins. I have never revealed this to anyone until today, but you can understand beyond any doubt that this Ekadasii bestows the result indicated by its name… (Vijaya meaning Victory).

“When Lord Rama was exiled to the forest for fourteen years, He, the goddess Sita, and His divine brother Lakshmana stayed at Panchavati as mendicants. Mother Sita was then kidnapped by the demon Ravana, and Lord Rama seemingly became bewildered like an ordinary man by distress. While searching for His beloved consort, the Lord came upon the dying Jatayu and thereafter killed His enemy Kabandha.. The great devotee-vulture Jatayu returned to Vaikuntha after telling Rama how His dear Sita had been abducted by Ravana.

“ ‘Later, Lord Rama and Sugriva, the king of the monkeys, became friends. Together they amassed a grand army of monkeys and bears and sent HanumAnji his minister to Sri LankA, where he was able to see Janaki (Srimati Sita devi) in an Ashoka grove garden. He delivered Lord Rama’s message and showed the ring proving his authenticity for rendering such great service to the Supreme Lord Sri Rama.“ ‘With the help of Sugriva, Lord Rama proceeded toward Sri Lanka. 

Upon arriving at the shore of the ocean with the army of monkeys, He could understand that the water was uncommonly deep and hostile. Thus He said to Lakshmana, “Oh son of Sumitra, how can We earn enough merit to be able to cross this vast ocean, the unfathomable abode of Varuna deva? I can see no easy way to cross it, teeming as it is with sharks and other ferocious aquatics.”

“ ‘Lakshmana replied, “Oh best of all beings, Oh origin of all the devas, Oh primal personality, the great sage Bakad Albhya lives on an island just four miles from here. Oh Raghava, he has seen many BrahmAs come and go, so aged and wise is he. Let us go to him, take his darshan (audience) and ask him how We can safely reach Our goal.”

“ ‘So Rama and Lakshmana proceeded to the humble Ashrama of the incomparable Bakad Albhya Muni. Approaching him, the two Lords paid Their respectful obeisances to him as if he were a second Vishnu. Bakad Albhya could immediately understand, however, that Sri Rama was actually the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who for His own reasons had appeared on the Earth and was enacting just like a human being.

“ ‘ “Rama, “ said BakadAlbhya, “Oh best of the human beings, why have You come to my lowly abode?”

“ ‘The Lord replied, “Oh great, twice born brahmin, I have come here to the ocean shore with My phalanx of monkey and bear warriors in order to cross the sea and conquer LankA and its demon horde headed by Ravana. Oh greatest of sages, please be merciful unto Me and please tell Me how I can cross this vast ocean. That is why I have come to your Ashrama today.”

“ ‘The sage said, “Oh Lord Sri Rama, I shall tell you of the most exalted of all fasts, observing which You will surely conquer Ravana and be eternally glorified. Kindly now listen with full attention.

“ ‘ “On the day before Ekadasii, fashion a water pot of gold or silver, or even copper. Even clay will do if these metals are unavailable. Fill the pot with pure water and then decorate it nicely with mango leaves. Cover it and place it near a holy altar upon a mound of seven grains (the seven grains are barley, wheat, rice, corn, chickpeas, kukani, and dahl or peas). Now take Your morning bath, decorate the water pot with flower garlands and sandalwood paste, and inn the concave lid atop the pot place there the barley, pomegranate, and coconut. 

Now with great love and devotion worship the water pot Deity form and offer Him incense, sandalwood paste, flowers, a ghee lamp, and a plate of sumptuous foods. Remain there awake that night beside this sacred pot. On top of the lid filled with barley, etc., place a golden murthy of Lord Sri Narayana.

“ ‘ “When Ekadasii dawns, take Your morning bath and then decorate the water pot with fine sandalwood paste and garlands. Then worship the pot again with first class incense, lamps, sandalwood paste and flowers dipped in sandalwood paste, and then devoutly/devotedly place many kinds of cooked food, pomegranate, and coconut before the water pot. Then remain awake over night.

“ ‘ “When the Dwadasi dawns, take the water pot to the bank of a holy river, or even to the shore of a small pond. After worshipping it again properly, Oh King of kings, offer it with all the aforementioned ingredients to a pure hearted brahmin, expert in the Vedic sciences. If You and Your military commanders observe the Vijaya Ekadasii in this way, You will surely be victorious in every way.”

“” ‘Lord Sri Ramachandra Bhagavan, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, did just as Bakad Albhya Muni instructed, and thus He conquered all demoniac forces. Similarly, anyone who observes the Vijaya Ekadasii in this way will always be victorious in this mortal world, and after leaving this world he/she will reside forever in the anxiety free realm of the Kingdom of God known as the Vaikunthas.”

“ ‘Oh Narada, my son, from this history you can understand why one should observe this Ekadasii fast properly, strictly following the rules and regulations. This fast is powerful enough to eradicate all one’s sinful reactions, even the most abominable ones.”

Lord Sri Krishna concluded, “Oh Yudhisthira, anyone who reads or hears this history will attain the same great merit as that which is earned by performing a horse sacrifice on days of yore.”

Thus ends the narration of the glories of Phalguna-krsna Ekadasii or Vijaya Ekadasii, from the Skanda Purana.

Monday, February 20, 2017

Hare Krishna Singing Band (Vancouver Devotees)


Tips on Book Distribution (video)


Prabhupada is his own successor

PADA: Yes, its official, the mad rush to artificially concoct a "successor to Prabhupada" has been a totally depressing, criminal, scandalous and devastating failure, he is his own successor. Correct. ys pd

Prabhupada You Are Your Own Successor
BY: CAITANYA DAS

(MANCHESTER, ENGLAND) —

Prabhupada you are your own successor
you live within your teachings
if we could carry them out
if we could formulate them precisely
then there will be no doubt
of what to do and how to do it
the mahajans make it clear
the mind of your sincere follower
close to your heart and near
the symptom will be mercy
distributed to one and all
the establishment challenged
the scientists no longer call
call the shots cover the soul
bring society to its knees
crying mothers weeping child
the demonic minds that feed
the social critic, the piercing eye
crooked and rascals, left high and dry
maneuvering of the political mind
matched and defeated with a heart that shines
the artists once awoken
the prophets words spoken
deep into the hearts of men
an influence they wield
mind and hearts healed
distributed knowledge but when
practical in every way
whatever place you stand
the place you find you'll not return
but always wish to stay
a political system broken,
broken but to reform
you have told us of these things
in love and hope conform
on every plain we stand
within and with out
Lord's Lilas in our heart
Mahaprabhu's no doubt
seeing all as spirit souls
selfishness declined
you the acarya of the world
so regal and refined
this will come to pass
the order from time ago
we are to carry out the task
bestowed glory that will show.
fearless in your service
a faith as staunch can be
without it we lose the way
although it will come again, just see
another soul will say again
to show what will be
the wisdom already let loose
Kali's domain set free
the sankirtana movement
it's destined sadhus say
forever the patient optimist
that's Prabhupada's way.

25% of Christians believe in reincarnation

Sunday, February 19, 2017

Aindra's Book Online

We want original books! (Edmonton Canada)


Good choice!

Art of Satsvarupa Das Goswami still promoted by ISKCON?

PADA: Yep, from the same person who said: "I have to battle constantly with doubts that Krishna is a myth"; "The more I chant the drier it gets"; "I am known as the guru of (psychotropic) pills"; and the author of Sanitarium (a sex novel) we find ISKCON is still promoting Satsvarupa and his crazy writings and art. Of course our art and writings are banned! Figures? You mean to say no one on the GBC has figured out that his writings and art -- are whack, and not fit for public consumption?     




This is SDG's future life, very lifelike!




This art frightens little children!


Devotee asks PADA: Is this man's brain in hell or what?

The Charade Must End (Roger Rodpush)

Saturday, February 18, 2017

Gainesville Refugees Need Support


https://www.gofundme.com/help-us-spread-god-consciousness

PADA: It is amazing really, Jayadvaita swami (Jay Israel) says that his GBC gurus are many times engaged in illicit sex, i.e. God's successors and gurus are many times -- debauchees. And this is the person the GBC hand selects to be their editor, the guy who thinks God's successors are worse than the village drunk! ys pd 

Giving to Krishna (SP video)


Vegan Themed Race Car at Daytona


Friday, February 17, 2017

Capitalism Will Starve Humanity Unless It Changes (Forbes Magazine)

Prayers to the Dust of Vraja (Kirtana Video)


Krishna will help the sincere (SP Walk April 1973)



"Kṛṣṇa is there, within. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭho mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca [Bg. 15.15]. Kṛṣṇa is dictating: "Now you go forward. Now you come back. Here is your food." He's giving intelligence. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭho mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca [Bg. 15.15]. He's giving direction in every living entity, but when a human being, He gives direction, if he surrenders, that: "Go this way. You'll come to Me." Dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ yena mām upayānti te. And that is human intelligence. 

So far these lower animals are concerned, they are given, being given intelligence how to eat, how to sleep, how to mate, how to defend. But a human being, if he engages himself in the service of the Lord, then Lord will give intelligence how to come back to home, back to Godhead. 

This is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. That is the condition. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam [Bg. 10.10]. "Only to those who are engaged in devotional service with love and faith, I give him intelligence how to come back to home, back to Godhead." Therefore, after coming to human form of body, we must awaken our intelligence about understanding the Supreme Lord. And if we take up the process sincerely, with love, then Lord within will give you dictation: "You come this way, come this way, come this way." Otherwise, not." -Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk—April 20, 1973, Los Angeles

Lord Chaitanya's Moon is Rising




[PADA: Well, what can we say, we have made more and more and more really solid connections from the African continent. We are making good progress there among an ever growing body of people who are rejecting the GBC's gurus and their "voted in" acharyas and alleged messiahs. 

One of the "renegade" ladies from there just wrote to PADA to say, what kind of religion votes in conditioned souls as their eternal parampara gurus? And then the GBC's leaders make false claims these gurus are as pure as God -- who can absorb your sins like Jesus -- because they are diksha gurus? 

Yet when she asked the leaders about the sadhana status of a particular GBC guru, another GBC said to her the GBC "cannot vouch for his sadhana." What! He is as pure as Jesus, but he may not even be able to perform basic sadhana? And apparently no one on the GBC even bothered to check if this guy is a basic sadhaka, before they voted him in as the next successor to God? Hee hee! ys pd]    

Thursday, February 16, 2017

Aindra Dasa Harinama Revolution (Video)





PADA: Aindra das pretty much sums things up here, if we are distributing millions of books to invite people to join our "Lord Chaitanya's Harinama Samkirtana Movement," but then we do not have working examples of the samkirtana process going on, its not going to work. That was the first thing the GBC did in 1978, they started removing the samkirtana devotees ... and we lost many of the best book distributors and harinama types. OK then they started having everyone selling oil paintings, candles and other garbage and they called that "samkirtana." No wonder Aindra was not popular with these leaders, but then again neither is PADA popular with these guys either  .... ys pd 

Cow Protection Goshala (Banglore ISKCON)

Wednesday, February 15, 2017

Keep Bir Krishna in Serbia - Bosnia! (OK, maybe not)

https://www.change.org/p/let-hh-bir-krishna-goswami-continue-serving-as-gbc-in-europe-slovenia-serbia-bosnia?

[PADA: Oh swell, now the GBC says, only a local person can be the GBC. Well fine, how come all sorts of foreign gurus swarm all over Russia etc.? Why is Sivarama and Gopal Krishna allowed to be GBC in many foreign places? Sounds like more dysfunction is attacking the sum total of the demigods messiahs over at the GBC? ys pd] 

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Lets remove Bir Krishna from Euro GBC

https://www.change.org/p/euro-gbc-remove-bir-krishna-goswami-from-europe

Illicit Sex Makes Progress Difficult (SP quotes)


The Hrdayananda Krishna West program seems to be preaching a pretty lax standard when it comes to illicit sex. This is Srila Prabhupada's response to the claim of some disciples that "the basic principles of Krsna consciousness, as taught by Krishna, are the first-class method, but it is too much difficult to be followed by people in the West."

Srila Prabhupada: Once one becomes rascal, he becomes more and more and more and more and more rascal. They want relaxation, flexibility. That means that spiritually they are fallen, fallen down. Illicit sex is so dangerous. Everyone will be killed with this illicit sex.

That is the difficulty -- fall down. What can I do? I have already given instruction. If they do not follow, they fall down. That is sure. So dangerous. And in our society it is very easy to have such affairs, so many girls are there. I can say "don't do this," but if you do, what can I do?

This is the poison, illicit sex, and this poison will kill everything. This is the poison. And I cannot understand whether I shall be able to save my disciples from this poison. This is the poison. They do not take it seriously, but in the beginning I said, "No illicit sex." If you want, at all. These four principles, if they are not strictly followed, then he's victimized forever -- today or tomorrow. 


He should take little time, of his time, to save himself. Artificially, that will not save him; he will fall down. Krsna can excuse for some time, but it is not [indistinct]. Api cet su-duracaro [Bg. 9.30]. If unconsciously, or if you have some accidentally fall down, that is excused. 

But purposefully -- it is all rascaldom. Bali-mardana fell. Karandhara fell. Sudama fell. And gradually they are falling down. What can I do? I say that you shall remain fixed up in this way, but if you do not accept it, then how can I help you? If I say that "Don't drive a knife into your neck," and if you do it, so how can I save you?

January 3, 1975, Bombay


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SB 4.27.5, Purport: These laws and scriptures are meant for human beings. As such, if one violates these laws, he becomes sinful. The conclusion is that unrestricted sense enjoyment means sinful activities. Illicit sex is sex that violates the laws given in the scriptures. 

When one violates the laws of the scriptures, or the Vedas, he commits sinful activities. One who is engaged in sinful activities cannot change his consciousness. Our real function is to change our consciousness from kaśmala, sinful consciousness, to Kṛṣṇa, the supreme pure. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12)), Kṛṣṇa is the supreme pure, and if we change our consciousness from material enjoyment to Kṛṣṇa, we become purified. This is the process recommended by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu as the process of ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12), cleansing the mirror of the heart.

SB Canto 5 Sex with one's wife according to the scriptural injunctions is also accepted as brahmacarya (celibacy), but illicit sex is opposed to religious principles, and it hampers advancement in spiritual consciousness.

SB 5.5.10-13, Purport: Another important item is dvandva-titikṣā. As long as one is situated in the material world, there must be pleasure and pain arising from the material body. As Kṛṣṇa advises in Bhagavad-gītā, tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata. One has to learn how to tolerate the temporary pains and pleasures of this material world. 

One must also be detached from his family and practice celibacy. Sex with one's wife according to the scriptural injunctions is also accepted as brahmacarya (celibacy), but illicit sex is opposed to religious principles, and it hampers advancement in spiritual consciousness. Another important word is vijñāna-virājita. Everything should be done very scientifically and consciously. One should be a realized soul. In this way, one can give up the entanglement of material bondage.

A person enjoys illicit sex, and due to his blind, lusty desire, he thinks that no one can see him, but this illicit sex is thoroughly observed by the agents of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Illicit sex is never excused, and those who indulge in it are punished life after life.

SB 5.14.9, Purport: In Bhagavad-gītā (7.11) it is said: dharmāviruddho bhūteṣu kāmo 'smi bharatarṣabha. Sex is allowed only for the begetting of children, not for enjoyment. One can indulge in sex to beget a good child for the benefit of the family, society and world. Otherwise, sex is against the rules and regulations of religious life. 

A materialistic person does not believe that everything is managed in nature, and he does not know that if one does something wrong, he is witnessed by different demigods. A person enjoys illicit sex, and due to his blind, lusty desire, he thinks that no one can see him, but this illicit sex is thoroughly observed by the agents of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 

Therefore the person is punished in so many ways, presently in Kali-yuga there are many pregnancies due to illicit sex, and sometimes abortions ensue. These sinful activities are witnessed by the agents of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and a man and woman who create such a situation are punished in the future by the stringent laws of material nature (daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14)). Illicit sex is never excused, and those who indulge in it are punished life after life.

Illicit sex is the most prominent sin due to lusty desire. When one associates with the mode of passion, he is implicated in suffering life after life.

SB 5.14.9, Purport: The Supreme Personality of Godhead does not allow anyone to act against the stringent laws of material nature; therefore illicit sex is punished life after life. Illicit sex creates pregnancies, and these unwanted pregnancies lead to abortion. Those involved become implicated in these sins, so much so that they are punished in the same way the next life. 

Thus in the next life they also enter the womb of a mother and are killed in the same way. All these things can be avoided by remaining on the transcendental platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In this way one does not commit sinful activity. Illicit sex is the most prominent sin due to lusty desire. When one associates with the mode of passion, he is implicated in suffering life after life.

Illicit sex must be stopped by those who are spiritually inclined or who are on the path of spiritual realization. Many devotees fall down due to illicit sex.

SB 5.14.22, Purport: Material life is such that due to indulgence in illicit sex, gambling, intoxication and meat-eating, the conditioned soul is always in a dangerous condition. Meat-eating and intoxication excite the senses more and more, and the conditioned soul falls victim to women. In order to keep women, money is required, and to acquire money, one begs, borrows or steals. 

Indeed, he commits abominable acts that cause him to suffer both in this life and in the next. Consequently illicit sex must be stopped by those who are spiritually inclined or who are on the path of spiritual realization. Many devotees fall down due to illicit sex. They may steal money and even fall down from the highly honored renounced order. Then for a livelihood they accept menial services and become beggars. 

It is therefore said in the śāstras, yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham: (SB 7.9.45) materialism is based on sex, whether licit or illicit. Sex is full of dangers even for those who are addicted to household life. Whether one has a license for sex or not, there is great trouble. Bahu-duḥkha-bhāk: after one indulges in sex, many volumes of miseries ensue. One suffers more and more in material life. A miserly person cannot properly utilize the wealth he has, and similarly a materialistic person misuses the human form. Instead of using it for spiritual emancipation, he uses the body for sense gratification. Therefore he is called a miser.

The sexual urge is so strong that sometimes a man indulges in sexual relations with a cow, or a woman indulges in sexual relations with a dog. From the description of these verses, we can understand what an extremely sinful act illicit sex is.

SB 5.26.21, Purport: The sexual urge is so strong that sometimes a man indulges in sexual relations with a cow, or a woman indulges in sexual relations with a dog. Such men and women are put into the hell known as Vajrakaṇṭaka-śālmalī. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement forbids illicit sex. From the description of these verses, we can understand what an extremely sinful act illicit sex is. Sometimes people disbelieve these descriptions of hell, but whether one believes or not, everything must be carried out by the laws of nature, which no one can avoid.

SB Canto 6 If illicit sex is allowed to increase in a society, however, the entire society will be condemned, for it will be full of rogues, thieves, cheaters and so forth.

SB 6.1.22, Purport: This verse indicates how degraded one becomes simply by indulging in illicit sex with a prostitute. Illicit sex is not possible with a chaste or aristocratic woman, but only with unchaste śūdras. The more society allows prostitution and illicit sex, the more impetus it gives to cheaters, thieves, plunderers, drunkards and gamblers. 

Therefore we first advise all the disciples in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement to avoid illicit sex, which is the beginning of all abominable life and which is followed by meat-eating, gambling and intoxication, one after another. Of course, restraint is very difficult, but it is quite possible if one fully surrenders to Kṛṣṇa, since all these abominable habits gradually become distasteful for a Kṛṣṇa conscious person. If illicit sex is allowed to increase in a society, however, the entire society will be condemned, for it will be full of rogues, thieves, cheaters and so forth.

Prostitute hunting is so abominable that the desire for sex with a prostitute can ruin one's character, destroy one's exalted position and plunder all one's money. Therefore illicit sex is strictly prohibited.

SB 6.1.64, Purport: There are many instances throughout the world in which even a purified person, being attracted by a prostitute, spends all the money he has inherited. Prostitute hunting is so abominable that the desire for sex with a prostitute can ruin one's character, destroy one's exalted position and plunder all one's money. Therefore illicit sex is strictly prohibited. 

One should be satisfied with his married wife, for even a slight deviation will create havoc. A Kṛṣṇa conscious gṛhastha should always remember this. He should always be satisfied with one wife and be peaceful simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Otherwise at any moment he may fall down from his good position, as exemplified in the case of Ajāmila.

SB Canto 9 According to Vedic culture, a wife is considered the property of her husband, and a son born by illicit sex is called dvāja.

SB 9.20.37, Purport: According to Vedic scripture, whenever a child is born there are some ceremonies known as jāta-karma and nāma-karaṇa, in which learned brāhmaṇas, immediately after the birth of the child, make a horoscope according to astrological calculations. But the child to which Mamatā gave birth was begotten by Bṛhaspati irreligiously, for although Mamatā was the wife of Utathya, Bṛhaspati made her pregnant by force. 

Therefore Bṛhaspati became bhartā. According to Vedic culture, a wife is considered the property of her husband, and a son born by illicit sex is called dvāja. The common word still current in Hindu society for such a son is doglā, which refers to a son not begotten by the husband of his mother. In such a situation, it is difficult to give the child a name according to proper regulative principles. Mamatā, therefore, was perplexed, but the demigods gave the child the appropriate name Bharadvāja, which indicated that the child born illegitimately should be maintained by both Mamatā and Bṛhaspati.

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta

CC Madhya-lila

One should also refrain from sinful activities—illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Out of these four items, illicit sex is very sinful.

CC Madhya 7.128, Purport: Instead of living engrossed in material activities, people throughout the world should take advantage of this movement and chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra at home with their families. One should also refrain from sinful activities—illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Out of these four items, illicit sex is very sinful. Every person must get married. Every woman especially must get married. If the women outnumber the men, some men can accept more than one wife. In that way there will be no prostitution in society. If men can marry more than one wife, illicit sex life will be stopped.

Other Books by Srila Prabhupada

Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead

A man should strictly follow the principles of brahmacārī life or, with the permission of the spiritual master, should get married. Single life with illicit sex is animal life, for the animals have no such institution as marriage.

Krsna Book 80: A system of human civilization that does not promote varṇa and āśrama is nothing but a polished animal society. Indulgence in sex life by a man or woman living single is never acceptable in human society. A man should strictly follow the principles of brahmacārī life or, with the permission of the spiritual master, should get married. Single life with illicit sex is animal life, for the animals have no such institution as marriage.

Lectures

Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures

Sex is not forbidden, but illicit sex is forbidden.

Lecture on BG 2.12 -- Mexico, February 12, 1975: So instead of becoming sinful, to become pious, you simply follow these four regulative principles. The first principle is illicit sex. That is forbidden. Sex is not forbidden, but illicit sex is forbidden. That is not very difficult. Everyone wants. That is the necessity of the body, that sex. As we want to eat, as we want to sleep, similarly, there is sex desire. But if you want to become first-class man, then don't have illicit sex. Except marriage, do not have sex. 

The human society... Therefore, human society, there is marriage. There is no marriage in the dog society. So therefore, sex life within marriage and regulative principle, that is not prohibited. That means anyone who follows these rules and regulation, he becomes purified and pious. Without becoming purified and pious, you cannot understand God.

Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures

We don't prohibit sex, but illicit sex is most sinful.

Lecture on SB 1.16.8 -- Los Angeles, January 5, 1974: If you have taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, try to execute it very seriously, means to follow the rules and regulation and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. Five things. No illicit sex, no gambling, no meat-eating... We don't prohibit sex, but illicit sex is most sinful. Most sinful. Unfortunately, they are so rascals, one sex to another, another sex to another, another sex... That is māyā's illusion, influence. But if you stick to Kṛṣṇa... Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te (BG 7.14). If you catch up Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet very tightly, then you will not fall down. 

But if you make a show of so-called brahmacārī, so-called gṛhastha, or so-called sannyāsī, then you will fall down. We are experiencing that. Then you must fall down. Kṛṣṇa will not tolerate a defaulter, a pseudo devotee. Māyā is very strong. Immediately capture him: "Come on. Why you are here? Why you are in this society? Get out." 

Illicit sex is sinful.

Lecture on SB 2.9.9 -- Tokyo, April 25, 1972, Informal Class in Room: One has got wife and he is having illicit sex with other woman, that is, that is crime. "You want to satisfy your sex? All right. You have got legitimate wife." "No. I want to satisfy my senses." Therefore illicit sex is sinful.

Illegal, illicit sex is most abominable. But either illicit or legal, there are so many sufferings.

Lecture on SB 5.5.16 -- Vrndavana, November 4, 1976: There are two kinds of sex life, legal and illegal. Legal is married life sex. That is taken as legal. And without marriage, like cats and dogs in the street or here and there, that is illegal. So legal sex life is still allowed. Just like Kṛṣṇa says, dharmāviruddha-kāmo 'smi. If there is legal sex, one man and woman, married, and only for progeny they get into sex life, that is allowed in the śāstra. 

But illegal, illicit sex is most abominable. But either illicit or legal, there are so many sufferings. So many sufferings. Illegal—now they are giving opportunity, abortion, killing the child, and so on, go to the hospital. That is also. And behind that, the killing the child, a very sinful, he has to suffer. He does not know. 

Ananta-duḥkhaṁ ca na veda mūḍhaḥ. He's taking the risk of suffering life after life. Those who are killing the child within the womb, they will be punished. They will also enter within the womb of the mother, and somebody will kill, and again he will enter another mother's womb; again he'll be killed. So as many child he has killed, he has to go to the womb of the mother to another womb, another. He will never see the light of the world. He'll be killed. 

This is the punishment. This is the punishment. But he does not know. Ananta-duḥkhaṁ ca na veda mūḍhaḥ. He does not know how the laws of nature is working, life for life. You have no right to kill any life. Even an ant you cannot kill even. You cannot kill even. If you kill, then you have to suffer. Illicit sex is so bad thing. If we indulge in illicit sex life, then we won't care for all these abominable actions.

Lecture on SB 6.1.19 -- Los Angeles, January 15, 1970: Now these condemned professions have become ordinary profession in the civilized society, but according to the Vedic civilization, these things are condemned things. Cheating or gambling, cheating and speaking lie, bandy-akṣaiḥ kaitavaiś. And stealing. These are condemned profession. But he adopted all these things because he was associated with a woman for illicit sex.

So illicit sex is so bad thing. This is the example. If we indulge in illicit sex life, then we won't care for all these abominable actions. That was the example by Ajāmila. We shall come to understand later on that he was married, but he left his legal wife, and he contacted a prostitute, and the association of this prostitute, he became a thief, a cheater, a gambler, a liar and so many nice things simply for maintaining the family.

Then he gave him the places—striyaḥ sūnā pānaṁ dyūtaṁ yatra pāpas catur-vidhaḥ: "You can remain in four places. Where illicit sex is indulged, prostitution, you can remain there; and sūnā," means unnecessary killing animals, slaughterhouse, "you can remain there. And brothel and liquorhouse, striyaḥ sūnā pāna, where intoxication is indulged, you can remain there.

Lecture on SB 6.2.4 -- Vrndavana, September 8, 1975: Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Mahārāja Parīkṣit... Parīkṣit Mahārāja was going on a tour. These Pāṇḍavas, they were the emperor of the whole world. So he saw that a black man was trying to kill a cow. So immediately he took action: "Who is this man trying to kill cow?" So he chastised him, punished him. He was going to kill him, but he saved himself, that "This is my time. I am Kali-yuga. I am the representative. 

So this is my business, to kill cow. So what can I do?" Then he said that "You better get out. Otherwise I shall kill you." "So where shall I go?" "Now, out of my kingdom." "Then where is not your kingdom? The whole world is your kingdom. Where shall I go? I am also your subject. You must give me a place." Then he gave him the places—striyaḥ sūnā pānaṁ dyūtaṁ yatra pāpas catur-vidhaḥ: "You can remain in four places. Where illicit sex is indulged, prostitution, you can remain there; and sūnā," means unnecessary killing animals, slaughterhouse, "you can remain there. 

And brothel and liquorhouse, striyaḥ sūnā pāna, where intoxication is indulged, you can remain there. And gambling." Pāna dyūta (SB 1.17.38). Dyūta means gambling. "You can remain in these places." So it was very difficult for Kali to find out such place because Mahārāja Parīkṣit's time the kingdom was so nice that there was no brothel, no slaughterhouse, no liquor shop and no gambling club. This is rājarṣi. So you could not find. Therefore Kali made a conspiracy how to get out Mahārāja Parīkṣit so that he could spread his influence. So long Mahārāja Parīkṣit was there, there was no influence of Kali-yuga. So after all, the age has come. It is ordained. 

So Parīkṣit Mahārāja was cursed by a brāhmaṇa to die within seven days, and after his death the Kali-yuga spreaded its influence. And now, by the advancement of ages, you will find these four places in every home. This is Illicit sex, and intoxication, gambling and meat-eating—this is Kali-yuga.

Philosophy Discussions

Illicit sex is sinful. Illicit sex is sinful, because it is not meant for begetting child; it is for sense gratification.
Philosophy Discussion on Thomas Aquinas:

Hayagrīva: So this is actually a faulty argument to say that, that illicit sex is sinful because it threatens the conservation of the species.

Prabhupāda: Illicit sex is sinful. Illicit sex is sinful, because it is not meant for begetting child; it is for sense gratification. Sense gratification in any form is sinful.