Delhi's air quality "emergency levels"

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/11/29/pollution_2_n_8674732.html?

[PADA: India's industrialization and "Westernization" is not going well, that is for sure! ys pd]

Mrdunga Lessons

Amritsar Rathayatra

Photos from Vrndavana Tirtha Yatra

http://tirthayatra.org/the-greatest-experience-of-a-spiritual-journey/

Sai Baba's Magic (video)

Sivarama Swami Speaks Against Ritviks!

[PADA: Yep, its futile to say acharyas are not debauchees! Who knew! Anyway this is a good sign, it means our Prabhupadanuga program is expanding into Eastern Europe, the Balkan states and so on -- basically -- the places where the GBC ran away and made their hide outs after they blew out the USA and Europe.  

They probably already knew in advance that eventually -- the people there would catch up to their odious history and reject them. I have some friends over there and they said exactly that, the only reason the GBC gurus are being accepted in that region is that most people do not read English and they were unable to find out about all the odious actions of the GBC gurus because this was mostly covered in the Western media and not over there, but time is on our side, people are gradually finding out about them due to our good preachers over there. By the way, PADA's blog website is more and more being translated into Russian, Balkan, and other languages using the "translate" feature. ys pd]

Sunnyvale Kirtan program

Science Behind Hindu Ornaments

http://www.speakingtree.in/slideshow/science-behind-hindu-ornaments#!/http://www.speakingtree.in/slideshow/science-behind-hindu-ornaments/

Is Srila Prabhupada present -- or not?

http://harekrsna.org/the-double-standard-is-srila-prabhupada-present-or-not-classic/

[PADA: This has really been the crux of the post 1977 schism in ISKCON. Is Srila Prabhupada still present in his vani, or not? And if he is not present there, and we need "a living guru," then who is that living guru going to be? Needless to say, many people have been burned badly by selecting all kinds of fools as their living gurus.

Not only the bogus GBC's gurus have been telling us we need to take shelter of their "living gurus" to displace Srila Prabhupada, but even many of our "dear brothers" -- folks like Guru Kripa das, Bhakta das, Mahanidhi swami, Gaura Govinda swami, Rocana das, Kailash Chandra, Jadurani, Bhagavat das, and many others from the rank and file -- have also gone over to the bogus idea "you need a living guru," and they enabled and empowered the false gurus process thereby.

Even the Prahlad / Mukunda / Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur group has recently made "living guru advocates" like Bhakta das and Hari Sauri their hero spokesmen, which means they too never understood the principle that the acharyas are eternal, or else they would never advertise and promote the people who demonize our Prabhupadanugas as "toxic cancers." 

Oddly, the same HKC group (and their GBC guru allies) also say Srila Prabhupada should not have his own temple of worship in Vrndavana, they are just as vociferously opposed to seeing Srila Prabhupada being worshiped in the holy dham in his own temple as are the GBC folks, or even more so. Worse, they even say a temple of worship of the acharya in Vrndavana will simply "create a disturbance" there. No, I am not kidding!

Sorry, we are going to have a temple for him there, because the acharya needs to be continued on -- with his own devotees, with his own books, with his own temples, and so forth. Of course, some people also thought that that the worship of Krishna was "a disturbance" when He was here 5,000 years ago. History repeats!

All this simply means they never understood the principle that acharyas -- and thus their vani -- are eternal. Sorry, PADA's idea will eventually emerge as the correct idea, the guru is ETERNALLY present in his Vani, and that is also why his worship should continue in his temples. He is present in his books ongoing, without the need for any ersatz messiahs. Apart from that, hasn't no one noticed that Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, BV and BP Puri, Tamal Krishna swami, Jayatirtha, Kirtanananda, and many other purported living gurus -- are now dead and gone? ys pd]     


Meanwhile the numbers of viewers to our sister web site:

http://harekrsna.org

... has increased substantially, and visitors to this blog has increased over last year's visitors. We are making progress! 

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There was one doubt that was plaguing me. I had always been taught when I was first joining that the parampara is like a link, a chain. If you don't have the perfect link, if you are not initiated - you really can not go back to the spiritual world. I presented this question to Prabhupada.

I followed Srila Prabhupada from Rupa Gosvami's Samadhi back into the courtyard, and just before Srila Prabhupada took the steps, in the courtyard, I said 'We are distributing so many books but if people who read them are not initiated then they can not go back to home, to the spiritual world.' And Prabhupada turned and looked at me right in the eyes and he said "Just by reading my books they are initiated". (Vaikunthanatha Dasa)

Mahabharata Movie Preview (video)

GBC suppressed the truth ...

http://harekrsna.org/gbc-suppressed-the-truth-classic-work/

Hari Haraye Namaha (video)

Women gurus and Dr. Anirban Ganguly

Average woman knows debauchees aren't gurus? 

ISKCON Vrindavan's Misguided Ban of  Bhakti Vikas Swami's

"Women: Masters or Mothers"?

BY: DR. ANIRBAN GANGULY

Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami writes in his purport to Bhagavad-gita 2.56: "It is said that every muni has a different angle vision, and unless a muni differs from another muni, he cannot be called a muni in the strict sense of the term." It is therefore not astounding when there is difference of opinion among devotees. However, there is a very significant difference between difference of opinion, freedom of expression, and bullying.

[PADA: The first question is, why does an ISKCON guru like Bhakti Vikas swami have to write a book to censure, chastise and correct the other ISKCON gurus? BVKS has to remind the other ISKCON guru's party that they are wrong to promote women gurus and they want to give out gay marriages? So first of all, why does BVKS think gurus are deviants who need to be corrected? 

And since Krishna dictates to the guru, why does BVKS think he is smarter than Krishna, and he can advise the guru successors to God with better dictation than Krishna? Who made BVKS the boss of Krishna? Which previous parampara acharyas wrote books to chastise the other acharyas in our parampara? The whole idea that acharyas need correction and chastisement is itself a sinful attack on the parampara, it means gurus are ordinary defective people who need correcting. 

This means BVKS has a relativised idea of acharyas, he thinks the acharyas are ordinary men who need censure, monitoring, chastising, removal, excommunion, and so on. Gurusuh narah matih ... narakah sah, anyone who thinks gurus are ordinary is a resident of hell (narakah). Why does BVKS wake up every day and say, "My task today is to prove that gurus are ordinary men"?

Why doesn't Bhakti Vikas swami even know that gurus do not need to be chastised for deviations? The other ISKCON gurus are deviating, and so BVKS wants to correct them by writing a book, that means he has no idea what is a guru, a guru is a person who is above deviations and corrections?

Bhakti Vikas swami's guru program has already "appointed" and "voted in" all sorts of deviants and debauchees as ISKCON's gurus and acharyas. In fact -- Bhakti Vikas swami's gurus are being caught: having illicit sex; drinking beer; taking psychotropic drugs; offering LSD to their deity; watching football; living in five star hotels -- while the children in their gurukula have had to eat old, rotten, moldy oatmeal; eating meat; being arrested with a machine gun; taking off with women "disciples" while cleaning out the temple safe; saying gurus should wear condoms when they have illicit sex; being arrested, selling temples, farms and properties and never accounting for the money; saying Krishna is a rascal, ad infinitum. Naturally, some women now think they can do a better job. Yet it was BVKS's program that started the whole deviant and fanatical idea that any fool, either man or woman, can be "voted in" as God's messiahs. 

As for "bullying" -- anyone who does not agree that the above behaviors are found in gurus, parampara members and God's messiahs, is banned from ISKCON by the BVKS program. Not only that, as soon as someone says gurus are not fallen and debauchees, the BVKS program spends maybe $20,000,000 suing those devotees in the Delhi Supreme Court, as his program is now doing. 

Under the militant Bhakti Vikas Swami program in post 1977 ISKCON, everyone has had to worship BVKS's "living guru's" project, which contains illicit sex, drugs, homosexuals, sexual predators, criminals, alleged murder conspirators, and deviants of all types. Or else! "Dissenters" will be banished from ISKCON, removed and denied their freedom of expression. And they will be SUED if they persist in saying acharyas are not debauchees! 

In sum, anyone and everyone is being be bullied out of ISKCON if they refuse to worship BVKS's illicit sex guru's pooja project. Of course, some of BVKS's "dissenting" victims have also been beaten and assassinated for protesting BVKS's illicit sex guru pooja program. Indeed, my own friends have been banned, beaten, and some were killed, for their not agreeing to worship BVKS's illicit sex guru's pooja program. 

Even one of the first woman devotees of ISKCON, Jadurani dasi, was banished from ISKCON under the jackboots of the BVKS program -- because she refused to worship BVKS's illicit sex acharyas / messiahs program. Apart from that, the condition of ISKCON women in general since 1977 is: 

-- They are often exploited; 

-- They may have their marriages broken up; 

-- They may become objects of sex attraction for the BVKS "gurus"; 

-- The varnasrama program meant to protect and facilitate women and children was never established; 

-- Worse, many of these women's children were molested under the BVKS program of worship of illicit sex as acharyas, and so forth. (The BVKS sexual predator's guru project was sued for $400m for mistreating children, and they pleaded "no contest" in court). 

Why would any intelligent woman want to surrender to the BVKS idea that they need to worship a guru lineage of homosexuals and sexual predators in order to attain God? Where did BVKS find his idea that it is required to worship his illicit sex gurus in order to go back to Krishna? And who authorized BVKS's program to enforce that women and children have to worship his illicit sex messiahs, or they would have to leave ISKCON?] 

Recently, ISKCON Vrindavan banned, unbanned and then again banned H.H. Bhakti Vikasa Swami's new book, purportedly at the cajoling, intimidation and rumor mongering of Feminists within ISKCON Vrindavan. It was clear from the objections raised that the nuisance creators had not even read the book.

[PADA: Its false to say that the people who object to BVKS program of worship of illicit sex as the "acharyas of the jagat" are "feminists." Women, even ordinary mundane women, simply do not want to worship illicit sex, that's all. And that means even ordinary mundane women are more advanced than BVKS program, which thinks that we need to worship illicit sex as our gurus and messiahs. Even the average mundane woman on the street knows that its a severe offense to GOD ALMIGHTY to worship illicit sex as one's acharya. 

Yep! The average hamburger eating woman knows more about spiritual life than the BVKS program, because she knows we have to worship the pure devotees like Jesus, and that worship of illicit sex as acharya is an EXTREME OFFENSE to God. Of course as soon as many thousands of women said they did not want to worship BVKS's illicit sex acharyas, they were booted out of ISKCON by the BVKS program. Sulochana said that the BVKS guru program is anti-women, anti-children and family, and is pro-homosexual acharya worship. In that sense, BVKS's project spawned a sort of feminist backlash movement by making the "men's" worship of deviants so odious.] 

The book is replete with a hundred plus quotes of Bhaktivedanta Swami on the topic of the role of women in the society. 

[PADA: And not one of those quotes says that women and children have to worship BVKS devious, sexual predator and gay mafia acharya's program? Bhakti Vikas swami's writer / editor / spokesman Jayadvaita swami writes that in the BVKS guru program, their gurus are often falling into "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children." Why doesn't the BVKS program know that persons engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children -- are not God's successors, gurus and messiahs, when any woman walking down the street knows that is bogus?

Why does BVKS get "voted in" to a guru program that says acharyas are often sexual predators, and -- sexual predators with men, women and children no less? Yep! Any ordinary woman off the street makes a better spiritual authority than this BVKS lot, because even the ordinary woman on the street knows that acharas are not "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children." Why does BVKS program not know that acharyas are not debauchees, when any ordinary woman knows that is wrong?]

Being completely disillusioned at their failure to muster enough numbers in getting "democratically" elected to the post of Female Diksha Gurus, they resorted to intimidation, and physically pushed and snatched away books from brahmacharis who were looking to present this book to visiting devotees during the month of Kartik.

[PADA: Right, the BVKS program has deteriorated so badly under his bogus mis-managing, that more and more people think they too can be voted in as acharyas, now including some women. That means the BVKS diseased idea that conditioned souls should be voted in as acharyas is spreading to the women sector now. He has never cured the original disease, that conditioned souls should NEVER be voted in as gurus. This has nothing to do with women and feminism, its the original problem that BVKS's program votes in conditioned souls as his acharyas, and now his disease has spread to a few women, that's all.]

As a Professor in the Academia, I can vouch for this much: I have never seen such degraded behavior even in the cut-throat academic world. If there is a genuine difference of opinion, one should attempt to prove the author wrong.

[PADA: Open discussion is simply not allowed in the BVKS program, as soon as anyone says that worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as Krishna's acharyas is not authorized, they are banned, sometimes beaten, and sometimes assassinated. In sum, no one is allowed to say that acharyas are not fallen debauchees in the BVKS program, or they face severe punishment including -- being assassinated. Thousands and thousands of women were banished because they would not help BVKS's gay mafia program of establishing the worship of homosexuals, sexual predators and various other deviants as ISKCON's acharyas. As soon as anyone says acharyas are not deviants, they are bullied, beaten and worse.] 

But when the author solicited questions that the naysayers might have had, none were forthcoming. I am left wondering as to what kind of degraded "feminist intelligentsia" is this? Those who attended the lecture held on this book outside ISKCON Vrindavan on November 18th would actually agree that the author had, in fact, expertly glorified the role of mother that a woman play, both in the lecture and in his book.

[PADA: BVKS says women have to be silent, non-protesting participants in his worship of illicit sex project, or they should be banished. And his program is famous for exploiting women such as they did with their women's collecting party's and etc.] 

In conclusion, I strongly urge the opponents to read the book and put forth genuine questions to the author so that he can clarify, or you could prove him wrong. However, in the absence of the ability to find fault with the author's line of thought, which as per him is same as Bhaktivedanta Swami's line of thought, and I agree with him, the supposed opponents are well advised to refrain from degrading themselves further and preventing their further fall into the abyss of unwomanly conduct. 

[PADA: The thousands and thousands of women who protested and left BVKS worship of illicit sex acharyas program are heros, they protested his program of worshiping illicit sex by voting with their feet, they left his abominable guru program of worship of illicit sex, they had enough intelligence to know that BVKS program of worship of illicit sex is the most sinful project on the planet. These women also know the BVKS program exploited women, children, cows and in sum his program viciously attacked the weak and defenseless.]  

Mind you, banning does not work among intellectuals. The book will sell more. I am told the book was rightly lapped up by many devotees from the world over, with close to 500 copies being sold in 2 weeks. It does not even make "business sense" to opt for a book ban purely because you find it hard to digest the truth. Feminists failed in their agenda and the book sold like hotcakes right through the month of Kartik.

As an academician unaffiliated to ISKCON, I would like to point out that I will follow through on this issue. I promise to take it up strongly with the Ministry of Human Resources and Development, GOI, if any further attempt at banning this well-written book is attempted without providing suitable and well-written or well-presented arguments.

Satyam Param Vijayate!

[PADA: Wow, does Dr. Anirban Ganguly think that the BVKS program of worship of illicit sex as acharyas is bona fide? What kind of religion is Bhakti Vikas swami's, where one has to worship his program of illicit sex with men, women and children as messiahs? And where is any of this found in the Vedas? Do any of these people ever read the Vedas? 

Recently the Bhakti Vikas swami program buried a deviant named Kirtanananda in "a samadhi" in the holy dham of Vrndavana. Kirtanananda is a KNOWN sexual predator, a criminal, a person connected to the murders of vaishnavas, a person who was having sex with minors in his motorhome and etc. 

Why does the BVKS program worship known homosexuals, deviants, criminals, molesters and orchestrators of murders as their "eternal messiahs in samadhi"? What kind of "samadhi" is this where the guru is having illicit sex with minors in his motorhome? 

Why are these deviants being connected to ISKCON, gurus, Krishna, India culture, and "acharyas from India"? Then again some have suggested that certain women might make better leaders than BVKS's sexual predator men gurus. Even karmi women might make better leaders than the BVKS acharyas, even the karmi women know that the guru must be pure.   
  
ys pd] 

Vishnu Purana (has Dhruva story) w/ Subtitles

[PADA: Nicely done. At least, no one else has done better videos that we know of. ys pd]

How Goverdhan Hill Appeared

Lord Krishna’s father Nanda Maharaja once inquired from his brother Upananda how Govardhana Hill had appeared in the sacred land of Vrndavana. Upananda replied that King Pandu, father of the Pandavas, had asked this very question to Grandfather Bhisma, who had narrated the following story from the Garga Samhita:

One day in Goloka Vrndavana Lord Krishna informed Srimati Radharani that She should now appear on earth as it was time for Them to perform Their transcendental pastimes within the material world. Radharani replied that unless Vraja Dhama, the Yamuna and Govardhana Hill were present there, She would not be very happy. Krishna then told Radharani that She need not worry, as Vraja Dhama, along with the Yamuna and Govardhana Hill had already appeared on earth.

Many years before this incident, in the land of Salmali dvipa, the wife of the great mountain Dronacal gave birth to a son named Govardhana. At the time of Govardhana’s birth all the demigods appeared in the sky and showered flowers upon him. The great mountains, led by the Himalayas and Sumeru, came there to offer their respects. They then performed parikrama of Govardhana and accepted him as their king. They offered very nice prayers praising Govardhana for having descended from Goloka Vrndavana, describing him as the “crown jewel of Vraja.”

Some years later, at the beginning of Satya-yuga, the great sage Pulastya Muni paid a visit to Salmali dvipa. Upon seeing the beautiful Govardhana Hill covered with many lovely creepers, flowers, rivers, caves and chirping birds, the sage felt that this hill was capable of giving liberation. He then went to meet Dronacal, who immediately offered his respects and inquired from the sage what service he could render.

Pulastya Muni informed Dronacal that he was from Kasi (Benares) and was on pilgrimage to all the holy places. And he said that even though the sacred river Ganges flows through Kasi, there is no beautiful hill. He then asked Dronacal to give Govardhana to him so that he could perform his austerities sitting on top of the hill.

On hearing the sage’s request, Dronacal, who was not willing to part with his son, started to shed tears in thought of separation from his beloved Govardhana. Not wanting to see Pulastya Muni become angry and curse his father, Govardhana asked the sage how he would carry him all the way to Kasi. The sage replied that he would carry him in his right hand. Govardhana then agreed to go with the sage on one condition — that if the sage put him down anywhere during the course of the journey, he would not be able to lift him again. Pulastya Muni agreed. Carrying Govardhana in his right hand he left for Kasi.

By the will of providence Pulastya Muni passed through Vraja on his way to Kasi. On arriving in Vraja, Govardhana thought that now he was here he should remain in the holy dhama. By his mystic power he was able to influence Pulastya Muni to attend to the call of nature. Unmindful, the sage put Govardhana down and went off to answer the call. But when he returned he was unable to lift Govardhana again. Trying with all his might, using both hands, he could not lift Govardhana even slightly.

In great anger Pulastya Muni cursed Govardhana to sink into the ground by the measurement of one mustard seed every day. When Govardhana first came to Vraja in the beginning of Satya-yuga, he was eight yojanas long (64 miles); five yojanas wide (40 miles) and two yojanas high (16 miles). It is said that after ten thousand years of the Kali-yuga, Govardhana will have completely disappeared.

After narrating the wonderful story of Govardhana’s appearance, Sunanda informed Nanda Maharaja that as long as Govardhana Hill and the river Yamuna remained manifest, Kali-yuga would not take its full effect. Sunanda also said that anyone who is fortunate enough to hear the description of the appearance of Govardhana Hill would be freed from all sins.

Wonderful description of forests of Vrndavana

http://tirthayatra.org/vrindavan/

How to lose your wife in ISKCON

[PADA: I really get a kick out of this guy, he's got that PADA style sardonic humor. Hee hee! He is right, varnasrama dharma was never established, which was meant to protect and facilitate the women and children. ys pd]

Holy Books Cannot be Copyrighted

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-no-one-can-claim-trademark-right-on-holy-books-supreme-court-2148882

[PADA: Is this a good argument for us to print original books? ys pd]

Satsvarupa's "Entertaining" New Book!

https://www.createspace.com/4055052

The Story of My Life

Autobiography Authored by Satsvarupa dasa Goswami

An entertaining autobiography of Satsvarupa dasa Goswami, previously known as Srila Gurupada in the Hare Krishna Movement.
Check out also the 2015 release of LOOKING BACK
http://www.amazon.com/Looking-Back-Satsvarupa-dasa-Goswami/dp/0911233083/

About the author: The creative side of Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami's (SDG) is clearly visible in the expression of his poetry, writings and art. But his journey wasn't always imbued with artistic freeform expression and the lighthearted indulging of his creative impulse. Rather, his young adulthood and middle-aged years were marked by a heavily regimented life, one that carried the weight of both spiritual discipline and organizational responsibility.

[PADA: Yep, Satsvarupa Das Goswami's creative "freeform expression" is -- that deviants are God's messiahs. Lets all worship deviants, real freeform creative entertainment indeed. His "light hearted" idea is -- that we all have to worship his deviant messiahs or be banned, beaten, or shot to death, as happens in SDG's realm. Wow, how entertaining and jolly! 

Yes, he has had a "heavily regimented life" of -- living in Howard Johnson motels, watching football, getting loaded on psychotropic drugs, and getting into sexual liaisons with a woman he forced into a divorce. He carried a heavy weight indeed, lets push forward the weight of the worship of deviants down everyone's throats, and cause mayhem, bankrupt ISKCON, create a mass exodus of the citizens of ISKCON, and ruin the good name of ISKCON in the process, wow! That is hard work!]

His was a severe if also blissful path, full of dutiful action and devotional delight.

[PADA: Yep branding anyone who does not worship SDG's sexual predator messiahs is poison, and getting them killed is "devotional delight." Delightful! He also has a "duty" to declare that anyone who does not worship deviants is envious poison, so he can get them beaten and maybe killed, and this duty has been given to him -- by the personality of Kali Yuga? Satan? Beelzebub?]

As a serious student under Prabhupada's tutelage in bhakti since as early as 1966, he temporarily left the spontaneous world of improvisation of self-expression for the more structured life of a monk.

[PADA: Right, making sexual predators into messiahs is "spontaneous and improvisational self expression." Agreed, this has nothing to do with the Vedas. It was all improvised ad hoc on the spot by folks like SDG.]

Yet he did manage ISKCON Press in Boston for some time and became editor-in-chief for Prabhupada's Back to Godhead magazine, which gave him an outlet for his creative writing.

[PADA: Where SDG wrote in 1986 that Kirtanananda is "like Jesus, Prahlad and Haridas Thakura."]

By 1972, in recognition of his serious commitment to ISKCON, he was awarded sannyasa, which is a formal stage of life in the Vedic social order, indicating learning and renunciation. As a sannyasi, he would travel the world, sharing knowledge of Krishna Consciousness with others and helping his teacher manage the movement.

Along these lines, he had two years earlier in 1970 become a Governing Body Commissioner (GBC), that is, a managerial authority in the movement, and for a brief period between January and July of 1974, he served as personal servant and secretary to Prabhupada himself. His first two books were Readings in Vedic Literature, which was a scholarly overview of the Vedic tradition with special attention to Vaishnavism, and, soon after his guru's departure, Srila Prabhupada-lilamrta, an exhaustive multivolume work on the life and times of his spiritual master.

Numerous books would follow, even as he continued to help manage Prabhupada's movement and, eventually, he would initiate many disciples of his own. But in due course, exhaustion and poor health caused him to pull back from management and formal involvement as a leader of the movement. His books started to engage free-writing techniques, almost Kerouac-ian in nature, but, as always, he continued to keep Prabhupada and Lord Krishna as the main foci. His contribution is valued and well-read with Spanish, Italian, Russian and another 40 languages in translation both by GN Press and BBT publishers. Being the senior most disciple of Srila Prabhupada he continues to inspire his followers over the years.

[PADA: An ex-gurukuli who was a victim of SDG's living guru's program says, SDG's writings are all useful only as "toilet paper." About sums up the feelings of his many victims. 

Even BV Puri Maharaja said, "No one DARES write about their passing stools, enemas and constipation, and then one page later, writes about the colors of the saris of the gopis, all in the same few pages of a book. This is the result of Narayana Maharaja's sahajiya preaching, and its worse than even the sahajiyas, they never write about their passing stools and the gopis all in the same book." Yep, the GBC still promotes SDGs' "worse than any of the sahajiyas" books and writings all over ISKCON. ys pd]  

Vrndavana Chandra Mandir Abhisheka (video)

May 28th Appointment Tape "doctored"?

http://harekrsna.org/may-28-appointment-tape-strong-signs-of-falsification/

Bhakti Music by Maddy Das

http://www.grammyamplifier.com/artists/submission/shri-radhe

Krishna is Murli (Flute) Wala (Video)

Rocana / Sampradaya Sun / Murali Krishna / Gaura Govinda etc.

Murali Krishna Das

Searching for Sadhu? Danger Ahead

[PADA: Correct, "searching for a sadhu" in Rocana's "living guru" program is dangerous -- and gambling -- because most of his "living" messiahs have turned out to be cheaters, debauchees, deviants and / or sexual predators, despite being rubber stamped as acharyas by Rocana's guru factory.  

Instead of saying, "please accept Srila Prabhupada as your guru," Rocana's program says no, Srila Prabhupada cannot be your guru, that is the ritvik deviation. You need to walk throughout the globe on a search "looking for your living guru" -- and we are not going to help you -- by telling you who that is.  

Basically this process acts as a "road block" to accepting Srila Prabhupada as the guru of ISKCON -- while simultaneously sending the aspiring new ISKCON devotees on a needle in the haystack search for "the real Mc Coy living guru," who may or may not even exist -- at all -- anywhere. 

Of course thousands and thousands of people ran off to the Gaudiya Matha using Rocana's idea of "go out and find your own living guru." So in this way, Rocana's "find your own guru because its not Srila Prabhupada" process funnels many people over to other organizations and siphons almost all the manpower out of ISKCON. Rocana turned ISKCON into a ghost town by his policy of sending everyone away to look for their own guru, and telling them Srila Prabhupada is not their guru. 

As Srila Prabhupada says many, many times -- false gurus are the "cheaters and the cheated" situation. And thus the GBC and Rocana are promoting their cheating and false gurus -- so they can defraud the innocent masses by exploiting their religious sentiments. 

According to Srila Prabhupada, exploiting religious sentiments in the name of guru is one of the worst sinful activities in the universe. The punishment for this "promoting false gurus" crime is so severe, Srila Prabhupada says its better that these "veda vada rata" false guru promoters had never even heard of the Vedas, because even the ordinary man on the street is more pious than this lot. In other words, the Isopanisad says the average "karmi" citizen will go to a higher destination than these "veda vada rata" false guru program participants.

Thus the first question is, why does the GBC and their allies like Rocana tell people they have to reject having Srila Prabhupada as their acharya -- and they instead have to start a wild goose chase search for one of the GBC's and Rocana's voted in and self-appointed "living acharyas" -- most often ending in frustration, futility, wasted time and wasted lives, and no small amount of public media "guru scandals" for ISKCON. 

Thus Rocana's living guru project is creating a huge mass exodus over to the Gaudiya Matha, and subsequent mass exodus altogether, producing empty temples etc. And now Rocana's GBC is spending $20m suing the few remaining people left in ISKCON, to have them removed from the Bangalore temples. 

In short, Rocana's policy has cheated tens of thousands of people out of worshiping Srila Prabhupada by presenting their fake "living gurus" to displace and replace Srila Prabhupada as ISKCON's acharya. And Rocana's process has indeed induced countless poor souls to worship fools and debauchees as their "eternal link with Krishna." At the same time, the numerous scandals from Rocana's living guru's project has created a terrible public media image of ISKCON -- which has burnt out and turned away maybe millions of people from the religion, all so that Rocana's program could prop up a few of their foolish friends into big golden Vyasa seats for a few months or years.

So yes, Rocana and his allies like the GBC are very dangerous men, agreed, because they are steering people away from taking shelter of the eternal bona fide acharya, and they are replacing him with their "voted in" highly unqualified, temporary false messiahs. Srila Prabhupada says -- false gurus and their promoters are ALL destined for the most obnoxious regions of the universe, and these folks are also called "the most dangerous elements in human society" by Srila Prabhupada. 

So yes, shastra agrees, Rocana is a dangerous person for his promoting unqualified persons as God's successor gurus. Shastra is simply not very forgiving for these false messiahs and their promoters like Rocana.]

BY: ROCANA DASA

Nov 20, 2015 — CANADA (SUN) — Following the recent announcement of the GBC order expelling Murali Krsna das (ex-Swami) from ISKCON, we received a rebuttal statement from Murali Krsna, which he hoped to have published in the Sampradaya Sun. After making further inquiries on the matter, we have decided not to publish his parting words to the GBC, because they do not address the actual issues at the center of the dispute between he and the GBC. We also based this decision on the history of Murali Krsna's preaching, as we are aware of it, and on our own exchanges with him over the years.

[PADA: Murali Krishna is preaching the exact same thing that the GBC and Rocana are preaching, -- "we need a living guru" because Srila Prabhupada is the post-samadhi, posthumous, post mortem dead person. The GBC /  Gaudiya Matha / Rocana have also said that our idea of continued worship of Srila Prabhupada is "the bogus Christian idea." That means Rocana also thinks Jesus is another dead and gone person. To sum; (A) Murali Krishna thinks the acharyas are dead and gone; (B) Rocana thinks the acharyas are dead and gone; (C) The GBC also thinks the acharyas are dead and gone; (D) The post 1936 Gaudiya Matha ALSO thought that acharyas are dead and gone, its a meeting of the anti-Christ's post mortem messiah's league! 

Yep, Jesus is dead, so we need to replace Jesus and worship Jesus' (alleged) living successors like -- Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson and other Jesus wanna-bes. And Rocana created the same identical false messiah problem in ISKCON with his false acharyas, and thereby Rocana introduced a criminal and sexual predator messiah's worship program into the society, to the peril of the citizens of that society. Yep, that makes the GBC and their cheer leaders like Rocana responsible for all the criminal mayhem that has ensues.]

*** Murali Krsna's history in ISKCON is comprised of a series of actions by the GBC against him, and his subsequent re-admittance into the fold.

[PADA: Correct, the GBC censures, monitors, suspends, removes and excommunicates even their own acharyas, what to speak of others? The problem is: they are not so good at enforcement of their contrived Papal bull statements.]

*** In the 2008 GBC Resolutions, we find that according to Resolution #313, Murali Krsna das was again suspended as a member of ISKCON. Two years later, we find in the 2010 GBC Resolutions that Resolution #304 again provides for the Reinstatement of Murali Krishna das. Three years later, according to the 2013 GBC Resolutions, Murli Krsna das' name was included on the Sannyasa waiting list, and he was scheduled for acceptance that same year.

[PADA: This simply means, they could not find a good enough reason to remove Murali Krishna because he is preaching the same exact "the messiah is a dead body -- so go worship our living conditioned souls" idea as Rocana and the GBC, i.e. Srila Prabhupada and Jesus are the posthumous, post-samadhi, post mortem dead folks.]

*** As we understand it, the perennial issue at the center of all these disputes with the GBC body has been Murli Krsna's preaching message. An enthusiastic supporter of H.H. Gour Govinda Swami, he has helped to proliferate certain notions about Gour Govinda, particularly with respect to how he should be understood in comparison to the person and instructions of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

[PADA: Many on the GBC's themselves have immortalized Gaura Govinda Maharaja by their constantly saying he is a pure devotee, acharya and so forth. GGM is one of the foremost people who has been preaching that worship of Srila Prabhupada is no longer possible because we need to worship "the living (GBC voted in) person" -- and thus GGM was himself voted in as guru -- at the 1986 recoronation of Bhavananda ceremony.]

*** In 2006, I wrote an article addressing this issue (one of many that followed on the subject). For the sake of history, we re-present that article below: Searching for Sadhu? Danger Ahead By Rocana dasa, Sun Editor December 15, 2006

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"Our regular Sun readers can't help but notice the many articles that have been submitted and approved by the Sun recently from those who have developed great attachment for Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja. We have particularly heard from Murali Krsna Swami and Bhagavat das. 

In a recent article entitled "The List of 32", I offered my personal thoughts about how one should compare other advanced devotees to Srila Prabhupada. In my role as Sun Editor, I would now like to more directly address the subject of Gour Govinda Maharaja in response to recent articles, in an effort to clarify the Sun's editorial position on the matter (which is a work in progress).

[Note: Please also see the subsequent, and more detailed analysis entitled "Guru-parampara: The List of 32".]

[PADA: Rocana says that when it comes to gurus, we have to refer to the list of 32 acharyas mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita. Sounds great. That would mean we can take shelter of the 32, and that means Srila Prabhupada is -- the current link. 

Then he says, surprise, bait and switch, we cannot take shelter of the list of 32, they are all post mortem. We need worship the "living" GBC's voted in (unqualified) gurus instead of the 32. Rocana is one of the founding fathers and masterminds of the 1986 "Guru Reform" where the GBC instituted their infamous bogus guru voting process, and Rocana says he still wants MORE of his unqualified gurus to be voted in -- according to his recent "ISKCON constitution" wherein he wants to continue his bogus guru voting fraud idea.] 

*** As previously stated, I am personally not a follower or promoter of Gour Govinda Maharaja and I've never met him personally. I don't know him. 

[PADA: Gaura Govinda maharaja was voted in as guru -- in 1986 -- by the Rocana guru reformer program. Gaura Govinda maharaja says we need a live guru, and Srila Prabhupada cannot be the guru now, so Rocana is one of the primary followers of GGM, de facto. Rocana has never explained why he thinks acharyas often engage in bogus and illicit behavior and then they need to be "reformed"? Does Jesus need to be reformed, or does Satan need to be reformed?]

*** I also don't know well the devotees who are speaking on Gour Govinda's behalf, and who are essentially part of his lineage or branch coming from Srila Prabhupada. 

[PADA: GGM has a concocted guru lineage which does not come from Srila Prabhupada. GGM concocted the whole idea that acharyas are voted in by the GBC, and he was among the first to be voted in. Gurus are not voted in -- in the lineage of Srila Prabhupada.] 

*** Our understanding of Gour Govinda Swami is based in part on their testimonials. Given the fact that Gour Govinda Maharaja is now departed, we have no way of getting more direct evidence, except by listening to his lectures and reading his writings. As I understand it, his writings weren't extensive and his preaching effort was primarily in Orissa. 

I am still not clear as to why it is that the devotees want to convince everyone of his pure devotional status, although they haven't clearly said exactly how advanced he is according. They obviously feel that he's a maha-bhagavata, and perhaps they even a nitya-siddha, although the latter is more subtly suggested in their messages.

[PADA: Correct, its well known that certain sectors of ISKCON are allowed to promote GGM as a pure devotee.]

*** We know for certain that Gour Govinda Maharaja is no longer a "living guru". What is less clear, however, is the position his own matha now takes about that reality. The Sun recently reported an article on a Gour Govinda Swami 'Gaudiya Matha' in Bhubaneswar, which is under the direction of the "living guru", Narayana Maharaja. The matha's Mission Statement clearly indicates that the matha was established by Gour Govinda's disciples under the direction of Narayana Maharaja, but nowhere is it stated that Gour Govinda Swami himself asked his followers to take shelter of Narayana Maharaja. 

[PADA: One of Gaura Govinda Maharaja's conflicts with the GBC was that he said Srila Prabhupada's idea that we jeevas come from Vaikuntha is not correct. GGM said that Narayana Maharaja is correct to say we jeevas do not originate with Krishna, and at the same time GGM and Narayana Maharaja also agree with the GBC's concocted guru voting system. 

So they are aligned on some of these important issues. Anyway its natural that since GGM says we all need a living guru, his followers would immediately seek out another so-called live guru after GGM departed. GGM set up ISKCON and his own mission to be taken over by concocted "living gurus" like Narayan Maharaja.]

*** The truth of how that dynamic has unfolded amongst the Gour Govinda family will undoubtedly become clearer with time. For now, we can only consider the fact that Gour Govinda Maharaja obviously put great emphasis on the need for a "living guru", and presumably deputed such a person to carry on his mission after his departure. 

[PADA: And Rocana promotes the same bogus living guru idea, with devastating consequences for ISKCON.] 

*** According to at least one group of his followers, that person is Narayana Maharaja. However, given the fact that Gour Govinda also preached the great importance of staying in ISKCON, it would be a clear contradiction in terms for him to simultaneously encourage his disciples to take shelter of Narayana Maharaja, who has been soundly banned from ISKCON. We invite all camps within the Gour Govinda branch to publicly state their understanding of their guru's position on this matter.

[PADA: Under Rocana's living guru scheme, ISKCON has been the number one promoter of Narayana Maharaja. The entire NM outcropping developed by the top leaders all promoting NM in ISKCON.]

Three Miracles

The Sun has recently published a series of articles submitted by Bhagavat das, the most recent of which appeared in today's edition. In these articles, Bhagavat das has described three miracles said to have been performed by Srila Prabhupada. He compares them to three similar miracles said to have been performed by Srila Gour Govinda.

Srila Prabhupada often spoken about miracles, and played them down. I think the most poignant philosophical point Srila Prabhupada made in regards to miracles is that if you just look around you, and you see the incredible miracles that are constantly being displayed by Lord Krsna. Even an ant is miraculous, what to speak of producing gold or curing someone from disease. 

Srila Prabhupada said the biggest miracle of all is what Sri Krsna Caitanya has done, which is to spread Krsna consciousness throughout the world, especially in the western countries. To transform a westerner into a Vaisnava brahman is something no one else could do. What kind of miracle is that, compared to curing someone of some disease, or making the rain come? Such miracles are insignificant compared to the potency of a Sampradaya Acarya, who Lord Krsna is personally caring for.

In my mind, Bhagavat das appears to be somewhat disingenuous in writing his miracle articles, in that he only mentions Srila Prabhupada's miracles in comparison to Gour Govinda Maharaja's miracles. In my mind, it seems that he's not so much promoting Srila Prabhupada as he is comparing and promoting Gour Govinda Swami. 

He knows that in this atmosphere of the devotee community, you'd better not leave out Srila Prabhupada. In other words, in order to get Gour Govinda Maharaja's miracles heard and hopefully appreciated, you've got to mention something about Srila Prabhupada. So it seems that he's not really trying to glorify Srila Prabhupada so much as he's taking the example of making this comparison in order to glorify Gour Govinda. After all, you never hear Srila Prabhupada talking about these miracles, claiming that he cured this person or that person. In fact, he always puts down miracles as a way of bogusly convincing or converting people.

When criticized for the 'miracles' articles by another writer, Bhagavat das responded in a predictable way. It always disturbs me when I see devotees use the argument, 'why can't you just be a sweet guy and not find fault… just hear the pastimes rather than making a critical remark about the intent in telling them'. 

I find this to be a really lame argument, In this case, we have Gour Govinda Maharaja on one hand saying you have to be qualified enough to tell who's a sadhu. In other words, you have to be critical and have to use this philosophy and teachings to make an analysis. It's not that you're just a big nectar sponge, and anything someone like Bhagavat das says you should just accept because it's pure unalloyed nectar. 

You're actually doing yourself a big disservice if something is stated doesn't seem to resonate with what you understand to be the philosophy as stated by Srila Prabhupada, and you don't challenge it.

Surrendering to Gour Govinda Swami

In the latest submission from Murali Krsna Swami, he brings up the age-old dilemma of how you recognize that someone is a bona fide guru. On one hand, you need a guru to give you the purification and knowledge in order to be able to recognize who a bona fide guru is. At the same time, to surrender to the guru one needs to have a certain amount of ability to appreciate who they are.

[PADA: This is a growing problem within the living guru-ites project. First of all, Gaura Govinda Maharaja was going to be their living guru, then he departed. Then, Narayana Maharaja was going to be their living guru, and he departed. Murali Krishna has yet to identify who is going to be the current living guru of his program, but we do know that he was trying to get "voted in" by the GBC as one of their gurus, so perhaps he would be a current live guru. It seems some of the biggest supporters of the living guru idea are people who -- want to be voted in as gurus themselves.]   

*** Murali Krsna Swami's pre-qualifications in this matter are simply stated as being 'how badly do you want to surrender and serve Krsna?' But if you don't know anything about Krsna and need the guru to tell you about Krsna, let alone surrender and serve Krsna, how is it that you'd want to pay any price to get Krsna? It's all rather rhetorical. One has to always keep in mind when you're reading this kind of material that the person speaking, in this case Murali Krsna Swami, is emphasizing or paraphrasing what is then presented as instructions coming from Gour Govinda Swami's in an excerpt from his Srimad Bhagavatam lecture from 1993.

[PADA: 1993 is the same year that the GBC had suspended Tamal for promoting Narayana Maharaja in ISKCON, and Tamal was going to be removed from ISKCON by the other GBC for making the NM camp such a large off shoot deviation which was draining ISKCON men and assets away. GGM stood up at that GBC meeting and said we need to keep Tamal as the guru of ISKCON. Thus GGM always defended these GBC gurus, especially the most goonda-ized ones like Tamal. And by keeping Tamal the Narayan Maharaja program was once again validated and defended.]  

*** Let's examine the actual sloka that Gour Govinda is lecturing on from Srimad Bhagavatam. First, we find that there's no purport to the sloka by Srila Prabhupada. Secondly, the content of the lecture has little or nothing to do with the message found in Srimad Bhagavatam. I always find it somewhat suspect when the message that's presented in a lecture has no real connection to the sloka or purport itself. This is something we have experienced many times in lectures given by ISKCON gurus.

We have to keep in mind that it is Gour Govinda Maharaja presenting this particular lecture, and his persona as a sannyasi and guru with a big following sets him well apart from others in the audience or the vicinity where he is appearing, externally at least, to be the most advanced. So when the whole message that he's giving is that you absolutely have to find the sadhu, the essence of your spiritual life is defined by your ability to contact and surrender to an advanced Vaisnava devotee, it's pretty obvious that Gour Govinda Maharaja is referring to himself.

[PADA: Right, and this is the same complaint people have had about Rocana, he keeps saying there is a living guru, but he never gives the name of his living guru, its apparent to some folks at least that -- Rocana "refers to himself" when he says we need a living authority, and he has handily volunteered for the post.]

*** It's interesting to note that during the course of his lecture, Gour Govinda says: "How can you see a sadhu? You cannot see through your materialistic eyes. See a sadhu through the ears. You cannot see a sadhu through your eyes. You see through your ears."

So using his own words, I am essentially trying to understand his message through my ears, and I have a lot of questions. In this particular setting, who else would Gour Govinda be talking about but himself? In other words, 'here I am, I'm a pure devotee, once should surrender to me, and then your spiritual life will be great… and don't fault-find me…' In the lecture he states:

"So those who have developed reliance on their own material senses, they cannot recognize him. So they are blaspheming, calling ill names to such a pure devotee. Committing great aparadha. And as a result they suffer in hell. If someone has gotten the real mercy of Krishna, then he can recognize a sadhu, otherwise he will be put into a fix. A very dangerous situation. A great dilemma. "Is he really sadhu or not? Really sadhu or not?" Yes, he is in a fix, a great dilemma and this is a very dangerous situation."

Gour Govinda Maharaja considers this to be a very dangerous situation. In other words, looking for a guru is a dangerous proposal. If you don't happen to be able to recognize that someone is really advanced, then you could easily commit great aparadha to such a person, and basically you're going to suffer in hell because you made the wrong decision or you didn't have the eyes to see. Yet you'll be looking for a guru so you can have the eyes to see. In some respects, this is almost discouraging.

"Without recognizing and understanding him, if someone calls him ill names, blames him, and finds fault with him, such a person becomes a great offender. He commits a great offense. He cannot be delivered, life after life he will go to hell and suffer there."

[PADA: So what happens to GGM, when he is voted in as acharya at the recoronation of a known sexual predator posing as an acharya?] 

*** First and foremost, there's no qualification here of what 'ill names, blames and faults" are, or to what degree they're actually expressed. Is it in their mind, is it something they said, or is it something they purposefully acted upon? Did they make a vendetta against the Vaisnava or pure devotee and speak ill of him, or just casually say a harsh or critical word against him? If what Gour Govinda is so broadly stating was actually the case, then Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers, at least at a certain point during his ISKCON lila period, would all be going to hell and suffering there because they were all speaking ill of him and criticizing him.

If, on the other hand, a complete neophyte is seeing something external and making an "offense" by critically commenting upon it, then our philosophy does not dictate that he will "go to hell and suffer there" as a result. This seems quite over the top, and we have never heard Srila Prabhupada say this. This whole statement requires a great deal of clarification, not only about what Gour Govinda means by 'ill names and blaming and fault-finding', but to what degree, and who is actually fault-finding who? Gour Govinda Maharaja is insinuating that it's a maha-bhagavata he's talking about, and it's not much of a stretch to understand that he's talking about himself here. The message is that people had better not find fault with him.

On one hand, there's the whole idea that you can suffer in hell for fault-finding, while on the other hand you can suffer in hell if you don't see faults for what they are, and get enticed into getting involved with a sadhu that doesn't have the qualifications, even though externally he looks like he's advanced. Of course, we have plenty of examples of that in ISKCON. It would be interesting to hear from the followers of Gour Govinda Maharaja as to who they think, in their own group, is such an advanced devotee. Who do they think is the successor to Gour Govinda Swami? Apparently some think it's Narayana Maharaja, who's not even his disciple, what to speak of not being accepted by ISKCON, who Gour Govinda Maharaja pledges his allegiance to.

The kind of broad statements offered above from the Maharaja's lecture, without detailed qualifications, just leave the listener to come to all sorts of conclusions. Obviously Gour Govinda wants his listeners to come to a certain conclusion, but we have to take into account the personalism involved in this scenario: who's the person speaking this? Are they a maha-bhagavata? And to what extent do you have to go to be condemned to hell and suffer life after life? This is assumed to be commentary on our siddhanta, but while our siddhanta says things like this in a particular, very detailed context, these comments are offered in a very broad, undefined context in the Gour Govinda lecture.

Let's also keep in mind that the circumstances, we're dealing with today are that we have had the appearance of a great Sampradaya Acarya in line with Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and a succession of recent Sampradaya Acarya's have expanded Lord Caitanya's teachings throughout the whole world. 

They've done so on the principle that Lord Caitanya is indiscriminately opening up the floodgates of love of God, and everyone who comes in contact with the maha-mantra or the bona fide teachings of Srila Prabhupada, or any of the Sampradaya Acaryas for that matter, are going to make tremendous spiritual advancement. Of course, that includes coming in contact with a pure devotee and hearing from him even when he is not personally present -- as is now the case with Gour Govinda Maharaja.

[PADA: Rocana seems to be going around in a big circle here. He now says that we can hear from a pure devotee who is not physically present through his books, and vani. Meanwhile, he says that is the bogus Christian's idea, because we need to have a GBC guru voting process -- of making conditioned souls as messiahs, as he has detailed in his constitution, i.e. he still wants the current GBC's guru voting to continue.] 

*** Gour Govinda Swami preaches a commonly heard theme, that there's always a pure devotee on the planet. 

[PADA: OK wait a minute, that is also what the GBC, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Rocana, Gaudiya Matha et al. are ALSO preaching.]

*** If one is sincere enough and one wants Krsna strongly enough, then they'll find such a pure devotee. 

[PADA: Problem being, as soon as one discovers that Srila Prabhupada is the pure person they are seeking, they are immediately banned from ISKCON for being "a bogus ritvik" and Rocana says they are the worst form of deviants on the planet for not worshiping Rocana's live gurus. Anyone who finds the pure devotee is immediately purged out of ISKCON and banned from speaking on Rocana's pro-vapuh vada bodily worship program.]

*** Those who preach this theme often quote Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur as having stated this principle. But let's keep in mind that in the case of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur himself, he only really recognized two devotees who he considered to be qualified pure devotees, namely Jagannath das Babaji and Gaura Kishore das Babaji. 

There's no evidence that Srila Bhaktivinoda's enlightenment came from associating with them personally. Rather, his enlightenment came from contacting the previous Sampradaya Acaryas through their writings. 

[PADA: We really can not say Srila Bhaktivinode had to rely on writings to become realized, because he may have already been self-realized from birth. We would tend to assume he had already been Krishna conscious from birth and he was simply reading shastra to make it seem he needed the books, as a model for others. At the same time, Rocana says no one can become realized from reading the books, he says we all need to hear from his living lips person. At other times he says we can become realized by hearing from the book bhagavat, so he is trying his best to confuse people from the path to Krishna by giving them contrary instructions.] 

*** The principle that you'll always be able to find a pure devotee of their status could easily be referring to the teachings of the Sampradaya Acaryas, and the fact that if one looks hard enough, you can discover them. From what I understand, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur had to do a lot of research to find the teachings of the previous Acaryas.

So now we're getting back to the concept of Srila Prabhupada and his books, and how the movement is spread around the world based on his teachings. People are becoming devotees simply as a result of reading his books. 

[PADA: Ooops, but Rocana is foremost in saying people cannot become realized from the books, he says this is the bogus ritviks idea and we need to worship one of his debauchee messiah's lineage members, and hear from his living lips. Sulochana said some of Rocana's gurus have had their "living lips" on their disciples genitals, then they go and give a lecture class, and Rocana and his foolish party falls off their seats thinking they are hearing from the next messiah.]

*** And yes, there may be some nice devotees who are distributing the books and who are speaking on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and trying to train people in Krsna consciousness based on what he has stated, but at this point, who could say that there's anyone who's nearly as advanced as Srila Prabhupada? Of course, we do find people who make this claim, or insinuate it. 

The question is, are the followers of Gour Govinda Maharaja among that group? Are they actually claiming that Gour Govinda is on the same exalted spiritual level as Srila Prabhupada? And if not, precisely, philosophically, how do they define the comparative difference between the two. I for one would like to hear this clarification from people in Gour Govinda's branch. I would also like to hear from them whether it's universally accepted that Narayana Maharaja is now their "living guru", or is it just one of Gour Govinda's branches that advertises him as such? For those that do accept this position, we assume they have now gone to Narayana Maharaja for siksa, and are no longer focusing all their attention on Gour Govinda's teachings, since he is no longer here in person to instruct them.

And while we're asking for clarification, there's also the big mystery of Gour Govinda Swami's departure. We have heard a number of different and seemingly contradictory stories about the circumstances under which he passed away. One involves the GBC, who was apparently giving him a hard time based on what he was preaching. That story suggests that he left his body the night before a big confrontation with the GBC was set to occur, and that he left so he wouldn't be put in the position of having to criticize the Vaisnavas (the GBC). Of course, I can see after reading this lecture why the GBC would have a certain amount of concern about what he's said.

To get back to the main theme presented by both Bhagavat das and Murali Krsna Swami, they suggest that Lord Krsna gives the aspiring sincere devotee pure intelligence so that he can recognize and associate with advanced sadhus, and the big test is whether or not you're sincere enough, or you're basically dying to have Krsna, and therefore Krsna will reciprocate with you in this way. Philosophically, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with this message, but there is no clarification as to how a neophyte qualifies for this benediction of pure intelligence from Krsna and how they can have such an intense desire to have Krsna while at the same time not already having a guru - unless, of course, they have been properly instructed by reading the teachings of the Sampradaya Acarya. In other words, one can first read Srila Prabhupada's books, understand who is Krsna and who is a pure devotee, and on that basis go forth in the world searching for advanced devotees, or pray to Krsna (Caitya guru) to help them find the guru.

[PADA: Again the problem is that as soon as someone is inspired to worship a pure devotee, then Rocana's program makes a bait and switch and he tosses that person one of his illicit sex messiahs to worship instead.] 

Sri Krsna is Caitya guru, and He is controlling everything, including whether or not the neophyte searcher will be put into the association of a pure sadhu, then be able to recognize who that sadhu is. This dynamic is especially interesting nowadays, when there's so much competition amongst the supposedly "pure sadhus" who are out there trying to recruit disciples. So we have to assume according to Gour Govinda Maharaja, that all these people who've been initiated in ISKCON by gurus who later fell down, that they deserve to be cheated. They didn't have pure intelligence, and it was maya, not Krsna, who arranged this because these people are insincere. Yet even ISKCON now says that you have the pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada, as your 'safety net'. For the most part, people became initiated on the basis of the fact that they had faith in Srila Prabhupada, and if their guru falls down, most continue to have faith in Srila Prabhupada. And yes, it's a test, but I go back to my theme of the Sampradaya Acarya, and that you need to be connected to the Sampradaya through a Sampradaya Acarya, not just to a guru who happens to be somewhere on a branch. The question here is, is Gour Govinda Maharaja just a guru on a branch, or is he a maha-bhagavata, uttama-adhikari, nitya-siddha, or Sampradaya Acarya? According to what I hear in this lecture, he certainly thinks he's an uttama-adhikari.

According to Gour Govinda Maharaja, one must have a "living guru", and he's out there on the planet somewhere. This puts the aspirant in a dilemma, because all their efforts basically have to be in searching mode. This mindset is one of the reasons there's a huge phenomenon today of people coming to Krsna consciousness, hearing the rush-to-diksa rhetoric coming from ISKCON leaders, then going off on a constant pilgrimage, trying to find their living guru. All that time and effort could simply have been spent just studying and reading Srila Prabhupada's books, associating with local devotees, and rigidly applying the processes, as much as humanly possible. After years of having diligently followed that process, we can trust that Caitya Guru would have had plenty of opportunities to put the sincere aspirant in contact with a qualified guru -at least one qualified to the degree that the aspirant is deserving and desiring of.

[PADA: OK this (above) is the ritvik idea.]

*** Throughout my devotional career, I have heard innumerable lectures by ISKCON gurus similar to the one given by Gour Govinda Maharaja and mentioned in this article. In my mind, they were just self-promotion lectures. This particular lecture, frankly, doesn't seem much different. Gour Govinda Maharaja is a little more Indian-ized in the sense that he speaks very much like you'd hear a Gaudiya Matha preacher sound. Lectures such as this one seem to be well rehearsed, especially when the lecture has little to do with the sloka they've submitted in the context of a class. And of course, we assume it's likely that there are many persons in the audience who are looking to get initiated. And how can someone say these things unless they are a maha-bhagavat, genuine guru, which is like saying 'Here I am. Stop looking. Krsna sent you to me, and you've been given a great benediction. If you don't surrender to me then that's a form of aparadha, and you risk going to hell. And you're only seeing me through material eyes, so you'd better listen to my instructions now, and surrender to me.' In a sense, this is a subtle threat.

The only conclusion you can come to is you either have to accept the fact that Gour Govinda Swami is an uttama-adhikari maha-bhagavat, and if you don't, then at best you missed out on a golden opportunity. At worst, you're an aparadhi and you're going to hell for a good, long stretch of suffering. It seems that Murali Krsna Swami and Bhagavat dasa have decided that they're not going to take the risk, and they're going to accept Gour Govinda Swami as being such a highly advanced Vaisnava."

[PADA: Right, anyone who says Srila Prabhupada's jeeva tattva is bogus, anyone who says we need to keep the Tamal and Narayana Maharaja program, anyone who is voted in at Bhavananda's recoronation, anyone who supports and gets voted in to a sexual predator guru lineage, is pure. Really? ys pd]

Bhaja Hu Re Mana / Chaitanya Dasi

Bhagavad Gita Audiobook -- Titikshava prabhu

We fell from the Vaikuntha planets ...

[PADA: Lots of good instruction here, but notice, we were originally on the Vaikuntha planets and we fell to here. This defeats the Gaura Govinda Maharaja / Narayana Maharaja / Gaudiya Matha idea that we were never with Krishna. We were with Krishna, and we fell from that platform. ys pd]

Global GBC Created Krishna West

[PADA: This is getting interesting. The mass of devotees are finally catching on, -- that the entire GBC is responsible for creating most (or all) the deviations of ISKCON, especially folks like Anuttama. 

Goody. 

So if the Global GBC is responsible for making hundreds and hundreds of deviations, then they are not acharyas, plain and simple. What are we are left with then? Who will be the acharya of ISKCON since they are not? And it seems, Srila Prabhupada will win that title, and is winning that title, by default. That means our idea is winning -- albeit -- without them admitting our idea is winning. 

As for our "living guru" GBC guru defenders like Ajit Krishna and Torben Nielsen, we hope they finally get to the point of realizing, theirs and Rocana's ping pong swami / sexyasi / bogus acharya's / foolish living messiah's program is not going forward, its collapsing. We are not going to worship the people who are creating Krishna West as our living gurus! Sorry! Ours is the idea that is -- moving ahead. 

ys pd]  

Vibhavari Sesa (with orchestra)

A few words about Gopashtami

http://tirthayatra.org/vrindavan/gopashtami/