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On Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:38 AM, Sanga <editor@swami.org> wrote:
The Ritvik House of Cards
Q & A with Swami B. V. Tripurari
"This ritvik notion blinds its adherents from recognizing the qualified gurus among us, which if acknowledged, would bring the whole idea down like a house of cards."
Q. There is a lot of discussion about "ritviks," but so far I haven't really gotten a grasp on the issue. What is a ritvik, and what is the controversy all about?
A. The word ritvik refers to a delegated representative of the guru, in this case one who performs initiations on the guru's behalf. The current phenomenon of ritvik initiation in the Gaudiya community is a twist on the perennial notion of guru parampara, or ongoing succession of gurus, whereby spiritual knowledge / bhakti is imparted from guru to disciple.
[PADA: The main problem with the "tradition of gurus" promoted by Tripurari and Sridhara Maharaja is that their original 1936 guru (Ananta Vasudeva) was a bi-sexual deviant, who created chaos in the Gaudiya Matha. Later on -- after 1978 -- Sridhara Maharaja and Tripurari swami then supported the 11 bogus GBC's gurus, which again, contained even more illicit sex and deviations in the name of guru, including murders of us dissenters and so on.
Jayadvaita swami has summed up that within the "tradition" of the GBC's and Tripurari swami's "gurus" there has been (among other deviations) "illicit sex with men, women and children." That means -- these Sridhara Maharaja people never understood what is a guru, much less the tradition of gurus. Why does the GBC and Tripurari swami keep saying their post 1936 and post 1977 guru program of illicit sex gurus is "the tradition"? Are bank robbers in "the tradition" of saints?]
TS: Scripture teaches that when the current initiating guru passes away his or her qualified disciple becomes the guru of the next generation of students.
[PADA: Except that Sridhara Maharaja passes on the title of guru to persons inclined to deviate, he does not find qualified disciples to be the next guru.]
TS: However, the ritvik notion in question contends that after the physical departure of the guru if there is no qualified disciple to continue the chain of spiritual command then a system of ritvik is to be substituted. In this system adherents designate a devotee to initiate students on behalf of the previous guru in succession with the initiates becoming disciples of the departed guru (in this case Srila Prabhupada).
The problem with this novel idea is that it lacks scriptural and historical precedent. Furthermore, it effectively does away with the perennial and scripturally based system of parampara (one guru after
another), which in effect freezes time, rendering the dissemination of the teachings out of touch with new times and circumstances. By definition, the ritvik notion can only flourish, if at all, to the
extent that a qualified living guru is not present to initiate disciples.
[PADA: And that is why the ritvik idea is flourishing, we found out that Tripurari's mentor Sridhara Maharaja promotes homosexuals and deviants posing as their messiahs, and so their system is gradually being rejected and our Prabhupadanuga idea is making headway.]
TS: Born from sentiment and/or religious fanaticism and fueled by examples of unfit persons posing as gurus, this notion blinds its adherents from recognizing the qualified gurus among us, which if
acknowledged, would bring the whole ritvik idea down like a house of cards.
[PADA: OK except, your Sridhara Maharaja party is the same group that fueled the whole problem of unfit gurus starting in 1936? Your program created and endorsed false gurus, thus how can we "acknowledge" your gurus are bona fide, when they are the same people who generated the whole false guru fiasco in post 1936 and post 1977?]
TS: In the words of Pujyapada B. R. Sridhara Deva Goswami, one who has attained the devotional stage of ruci (taste), as epitomized in this verse, is safe and therefore qualified to help others.
[PADA: Except that Sridhara Maharaja helped promote illicit sex, drugs and criminals who orchestrate murders to sit in the Vyasa seat of gurus, and that makes him an accomplice to all the subsequent banning, beating, molesting and assassinating crimes, since he endorsed the "guru" parties that generated these crimes -- both post 1936 and post 1977. Dissenters to Sridhara's homosexual gurus were murdered in both post 1936 and post 1977, that means he is an accomplice to these crimes for propping up these criminal acharya regimes.]
TS: Advocates of the ritvik system limit the scope of their conception to the International Society For Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), an organization that has had problems maintaining credible spiritual representation in the parampara since the departure of its founder Srila Prabhupada.
[PADA: Same problem Sridhara Maharaja created in 1936, and same problem Sridhara Maharaja created when he endorsed the 11 GBC gurus post 1977.]
TS: In addition, Srila Prabhupada has written some things that are somewhat ambiguous with regard to his succession.
[PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada said that he is not going to appoint any guru successors, but Sridhara Maharaja and Tripurari said that he had appointed 11 successors. Where is the evidence he appointed 11 successors?]
TS: Furthermore, recent ecclesiastical policies concerned with keeping Iskcon's Founder
Acarya "in the center" of Iskcon have arguably moved the sect in the direction of what many other Gaudiya missions consider a formal covert ritvik system.
[PADA: Good!]
TS: Fortunately, the teachings and practice of Gaudiya Vaisnavism are beyond the limitations of any particular society or organization. As B. R. Sridhara Maharaja so eloquently put it, "Krishna is independent; he cannot be confined to one side of the Ganges and not the other, nor can he be imprisoned within the walls of any particular religious institution." Thus the relevance of the ritvik notion peculiar to ISKCON dissolves once one understands that the actual parampara is well represented elsewhere. Institutions come and go, but guru parampara continues; this is Sri Krishna's promise in the Bhagavad-gita: evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh.
[PADA: Right, Krishna cannot be limited, so the entire Sridhara Maharaja homosexual guru program has been exposed left, right and center all over the place, and so its dying out, and our system is expanding.]
TS: So within ISKCON or elsewhere, my recommendation is for students to find a vital living connection to the guru parampara and accept siksa and mantra diksa from him or her. Without this foundational connection, one's bhakti will surely collapse--like the proverbial house of cards.
[PADA: Most of the "gurus" rubber stamped by Sridhara Maharaja have already collapsed like a house of cards, never mind the troubles their followers have had. ys pd]
See also Sanga: The Ritvik Conception of Guru Parampara
http://swamitripurari.com/2007/03/the-rtvik-conception-of-guru-parampara/
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http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/05/sridhara-maharaja-envious-gaudiya-matha.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/03/paramadvaiti-swamis-madmen-gurus.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/05/tripurari-swami-writes-wrongs-update.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/05/tripurari-swami-speaks-on-homosexuals.html
From Mahesh Raja prabhu:
Hare Krsna!
Tripurari is on a TRIP to get himself worshiped. The way he does this is thru Sridhara Maharaja a DEVIANT who was EXPOSED by Srila Prabhupada:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The Ritvik House of Cards
Q & A with Swami B. V. Tripurari
"This ritvik notion blinds its adherents from recognizing the qualified gurus among us, which if acknowledged, would bring the whole idea down like a house of cards."
Q. There is a lot of discussion about "ritviks," but so far I haven't really gotten a grasp on the issue. What is a ritvik, and what is the controversy all about?
A. The word ritvik refers to a delegated representative of the guru, in this case one who performs initiations on the guru's behalf. The current phenomenon of ritvik initiation in the Gaudiya community is a twist on the perennial notion of guru parampara, or ongoing succession of gurus, whereby spiritual knowledge / bhakti is imparted from guru to disciple.
[PADA: The main problem with the "tradition of gurus" promoted by Tripurari and Sridhara Maharaja is that their original 1936 guru (Ananta Vasudeva) was a bi-sexual deviant, who created chaos in the Gaudiya Matha. Later on -- after 1978 -- Sridhara Maharaja and Tripurari swami then supported the 11 bogus GBC's gurus, which again, contained even more illicit sex and deviations in the name of guru, including murders of us dissenters and so on.
Jayadvaita swami has summed up that within the "tradition" of the GBC's and Tripurari swami's "gurus" there has been (among other deviations) "illicit sex with men, women and children." That means -- these Sridhara Maharaja people never understood what is a guru, much less the tradition of gurus. Why does the GBC and Tripurari swami keep saying their post 1936 and post 1977 guru program of illicit sex gurus is "the tradition"? Are bank robbers in "the tradition" of saints?]
TS: Scripture teaches that when the current initiating guru passes away his or her qualified disciple becomes the guru of the next generation of students.
[PADA: Except that Sridhara Maharaja passes on the title of guru to persons inclined to deviate, he does not find qualified disciples to be the next guru.]
TS: However, the ritvik notion in question contends that after the physical departure of the guru if there is no qualified disciple to continue the chain of spiritual command then a system of ritvik is to be substituted. In this system adherents designate a devotee to initiate students on behalf of the previous guru in succession with the initiates becoming disciples of the departed guru (in this case Srila Prabhupada).
The problem with this novel idea is that it lacks scriptural and historical precedent. Furthermore, it effectively does away with the perennial and scripturally based system of parampara (one guru after
another), which in effect freezes time, rendering the dissemination of the teachings out of touch with new times and circumstances. By definition, the ritvik notion can only flourish, if at all, to the
extent that a qualified living guru is not present to initiate disciples.
[PADA: And that is why the ritvik idea is flourishing, we found out that Tripurari's mentor Sridhara Maharaja promotes homosexuals and deviants posing as their messiahs, and so their system is gradually being rejected and our Prabhupadanuga idea is making headway.]
TS: Born from sentiment and/or religious fanaticism and fueled by examples of unfit persons posing as gurus, this notion blinds its adherents from recognizing the qualified gurus among us, which if
acknowledged, would bring the whole ritvik idea down like a house of cards.
[PADA: OK except, your Sridhara Maharaja party is the same group that fueled the whole problem of unfit gurus starting in 1936? Your program created and endorsed false gurus, thus how can we "acknowledge" your gurus are bona fide, when they are the same people who generated the whole false guru fiasco in post 1936 and post 1977?]
TS: In the words of Pujyapada B. R. Sridhara Deva Goswami, one who has attained the devotional stage of ruci (taste), as epitomized in this verse, is safe and therefore qualified to help others.
[PADA: Except that Sridhara Maharaja helped promote illicit sex, drugs and criminals who orchestrate murders to sit in the Vyasa seat of gurus, and that makes him an accomplice to all the subsequent banning, beating, molesting and assassinating crimes, since he endorsed the "guru" parties that generated these crimes -- both post 1936 and post 1977. Dissenters to Sridhara's homosexual gurus were murdered in both post 1936 and post 1977, that means he is an accomplice to these crimes for propping up these criminal acharya regimes.]
TS: Advocates of the ritvik system limit the scope of their conception to the International Society For Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), an organization that has had problems maintaining credible spiritual representation in the parampara since the departure of its founder Srila Prabhupada.
[PADA: Same problem Sridhara Maharaja created in 1936, and same problem Sridhara Maharaja created when he endorsed the 11 GBC gurus post 1977.]
TS: In addition, Srila Prabhupada has written some things that are somewhat ambiguous with regard to his succession.
[PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada said that he is not going to appoint any guru successors, but Sridhara Maharaja and Tripurari said that he had appointed 11 successors. Where is the evidence he appointed 11 successors?]
TS: Furthermore, recent ecclesiastical policies concerned with keeping Iskcon's Founder
Acarya "in the center" of Iskcon have arguably moved the sect in the direction of what many other Gaudiya missions consider a formal covert ritvik system.
[PADA: Good!]
TS: Fortunately, the teachings and practice of Gaudiya Vaisnavism are beyond the limitations of any particular society or organization. As B. R. Sridhara Maharaja so eloquently put it, "Krishna is independent; he cannot be confined to one side of the Ganges and not the other, nor can he be imprisoned within the walls of any particular religious institution." Thus the relevance of the ritvik notion peculiar to ISKCON dissolves once one understands that the actual parampara is well represented elsewhere. Institutions come and go, but guru parampara continues; this is Sri Krishna's promise in the Bhagavad-gita: evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh.
[PADA: Right, Krishna cannot be limited, so the entire Sridhara Maharaja homosexual guru program has been exposed left, right and center all over the place, and so its dying out, and our system is expanding.]
TS: So within ISKCON or elsewhere, my recommendation is for students to find a vital living connection to the guru parampara and accept siksa and mantra diksa from him or her. Without this foundational connection, one's bhakti will surely collapse--like the proverbial house of cards.
[PADA: Most of the "gurus" rubber stamped by Sridhara Maharaja have already collapsed like a house of cards, never mind the troubles their followers have had. ys pd]
See also Sanga: The Ritvik Conception of Guru Parampara
http://swamitripurari.com/2007/03/the-rtvik-conception-of-guru-parampara/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/05/sridhara-maharaja-envious-gaudiya-matha.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/03/paramadvaiti-swamis-madmen-gurus.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/05/tripurari-swami-writes-wrongs-update.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/05/tripurari-swami-speaks-on-homosexuals.html
From Mahesh Raja prabhu:
Hare Krsna!
Tripurari is on a TRIP to get himself worshiped. The way he does this is thru Sridhara Maharaja a DEVIANT who was EXPOSED by Srila Prabhupada:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Was Sridhara Maharaja a bonafide guru?
http://www.iskcontimes.com/was-sridhara-maharaja-bona-fide-guru
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http://www.iskcontimes.com/was-sridhara-maharaja-bona-fide-guru
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Conditioned soul Sridhara Maharaja Vs Srila Prabhupada the Mahabhagavata
http://iskcontimes.com/conditioned-soul-sridhara-maharaja-vs-srila-prabhupada-mahabhagavata
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Exposing Gaudiya Math Twister: Sankarshana dasa (Bhakta Suria)
http://iskcontimes.com/exposing-gaudiya-math-twister
http://iskcontimes.com/conditioned-soul-sridhara-maharaja-vs-srila-prabhupada-mahabhagavata
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Exposing Gaudiya Math Twister: Sankarshana dasa (Bhakta Suria)
http://iskcontimes.com/exposing-gaudiya-math-twister
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