Friday, September 12, 2014

Gaudiya Matha and ISKCON: A Brief History

PADA: The first serious "history re-write problem" was of course when the ISKCON leaders said in December of 1977 that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 of them as his guru successors. No, he only appointed agents, proxies, priests aka ritviks. We are not sure how soon this bogus "history re-write" will be cleared up, but at least we have had placed the May 28th tape, July 9th letter, the DOM, the Will, and other important Srila Prabhupada documents in the Supreme Court of India and we hope these documents will be accepted. In any case, simply having these documents forwarded into a court of this magnitude is a rare historical event.

The 11 "appointed" gurus in 1978

In addition to the above problem we have seen the leaders of ISKCON -- claim at least -- to have been instructed that after Srila Prabhupada would depart, he wanted ISKCON to be subordinated to various "advisors" from the Gaudiya Matha to instruct these leaders how to manage the society. The problem here is that Srila Prabhupada mainly warned us NOT to associate with these Gaudiya Matha folks, because they have a tendency to appoint false gurus, among many other deviations.


BR SRIDHARA MAHARAJA (Navadvip): A founder father of the 1936 Ananta Vasudeva guru fiasco, later on the GBC's "purest devotee on the planet; The GBC's senior most advisor; Srila Prabhupada's dearmost brother," aka the GBC's 1978 "shiksha guru." He said -- "acharyas go mad after money, women and followers" and he thus helped the post-1978 ISKCON leaders write various "guru tattva position papers." By 1982 the ISKCON leaders pretty much decided "Sridhara Maharaja is a demon who is trying to take over ISKCON." And they banned him.

The leaders of ISKCON are not always consistent. Thus, in 1982 the ISKCON leaders made a huge "position paper" showing all kinds of quotes from Srila Prabhupada saying -- we should ALL avoid all the Gaudiya Matha leaders -- especially Sridhara Maharaja, because at that time they had jettisoned their then "advisor" Sridhara Maharaja -- fine except -- then they immediately started promoting Narayana Maharaja and others as their "shiksha gurus," starting the whole "outside advisors" program all over again.

Thus, by 1984 BV Narayan Maharaja was helping Satsvarupa Das Goswami write "The Guru Reform Notebook," where these collective folks thought that acharyas need "reform" from criminal behaviors. Srila Prabhupada says it is an offense to consider the guru as an ordinary fallen soul, he does not agree with these "guru reformers." A person like Jesus needs to go to a prison reform school for deviations?

Radhanath swami with BV Narayan Maharaja

And as we recall still very clearly even now, when we went to Sridham Mayapura with Srila Prabhupada in 1972, Srila Prabhupada called for a meeting with his God brothers. When these God brothers arrived, most of them looked very tense and angry, and almost all of them did not return Srila Prabhupada's obeisances, they stood still. The actual meeting went even worse, one God brother named "Madhava Maharaja" (their elected representative) was yelling and pointing his finger in Srila Prabhupada's face -- demanding in the most insulting tone -- that Srila Prabhupada quit the use of the title "Prabhupada."

Before that infamous meeting, at least according to several eye-witnesses including BV Puri Maharaja, one of the vociferous ring leaders of this "anti-Prabhupada" group was BV Narayana Maharaja of Mathura. I had the great fortune of being in Mayapura at this time, so I know at least something of what happened. The God brothers came out that night and dug up our sacred site for the building foundation, and they placed garbage in there. Nasty!

According to BV Puri and others, BV Narayana Maharaja was in fact encouraging everyone to boycott the meeting with Srila Prabhupada, which he did. BV Narayana Maharaja pretty much admits he is in league with some of Srila Prabhupada's opponents when he later on said -- Sridhara Maharaja, Madhava Maharaja, Bon Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja are great preachers just like your Swami Maharaja. Ooops, Srila Prabhupada says Bon Maharaja was rejected by his guru? Srila Prabhupada also said their calling him "swami maharaja" was an offense because they were envious of his actual title.

(BV) Bhakti Vaibhav Puri Maharaja

Srila Prabhupada said that Sridhara Maharaja and Madhava Maharaja were disrespecting him, thinking he was their junior disciple, thinking they were his seniors and superiors. And BV Narayan Maharaja also feels that all of these people are Srila Prabhupada's equals, if not his superiors. Of course, Srila Prabhupada said for example that BV Tirtha Maharaja is a black snake, he certainly did not see all these folks as his equals?

And when we were in Madras, Tirtha Maharaja's disciples went to the local newspapers to complain that Srila Prabhupada is bogus. Then again, when Himavati came back crying after going to Sridhara Maharaja's matha, because the people there were insulting Srila Prabhupada, he said "I want that none of you should visit his Matha" (and we did not after that).

After being insulted by Madhava Maharaja, Srila Prabhupada told us to post a guard at his door because "my God brothers might try to harm or kill me." Srila Prabhupada had severe doubts all along about his God brothers way before 1972. After all, it was Sridhara Maharaja, Madhava Maharaja and Professor Sannyal who had appointed the infamous (bi-sexual? / former Puri das)  "Ananta Vasudeva" to be the acharya of the Gaudiya Matha in 1936.

And of course -- we hate to have to be the ones to point this out -- but there are some folks who think its possible some of these "dear God brothers" may have been connected to Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint, since he had also said "my God brothers may try to harm or kill me." It does seem rather odd that as soon as Srila Prabhupada departed, the ISKCON leaders were immediately sitting outside the doors of various Gaudiya Matha's? It also seems rather odd that some of them were the worst opponents we had when we first introduced the poison issue?

There are many letters and statements from Srila Prabhupada regarding how we should be careful not to allow these Gaudiya Matha folks and their ideas to infiltrate ISKCON. At one point Srila Prabhupada said that his God brothers were causing all the troubles in his mission because they had "a poisonous influence." He also said this infiltration was "a sinister movement." He also told us, while crying, do not read these Gaudiya Matha books, they have been edited and "even if your guru has only one book you should read that only." We were always being discouraged from association with this group. Srila Prabhupada also wrote that we should not have anything to do with these Gaudiya Matha folks, do not go there, do not associate there, etc.

Yet, after 1977 Gaudiya Matha people like Sridhara Maharaja became the darling "advisor" associates of the ISKCON leaders and he became the co-writer of various ISKCON GBC documents, for example the 1980 "The Mahajanas Have Difficulties" where they were saying great souls fall into maya. When Jayatirtha got into trouble for his illicit sex and drugs program, it was Sridhara Maharaja who came forward and said Jayatirtha has to stay in the Vyasasana guru seat.

And when Tamal, Hansadutta, and Ramesvara got into trouble also around 1980, it was AGAIN Sridhara Maharaja who came to their rescue to keep these deviant people in the Vyasasana guru seat. Meanwhile Sridhara Maharaja said we dissenters were wrong to protest his illicit sex and drugs guru program -- "none should protest" -- he said.

Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Goswami aka James Immel, he was taking drugs and having illicit sex, and YET we were told by Sridhara Maharaja "none should protest." He was later killed for having an affair with someone's wife. This is an example of "God's successor guru"?

OK and that means we protesters were being banned, beaten and maybe assassinated, which also happened to dissenters to Sridhara's 1936 Ananta Vasudeva homosexual guru program. In the late 1970s and early 1980s days, we would say that Sridhara Maharaja was part of the "fire brigade," i.e. when one of these bogus gurus was in trouble, then the Sridhara Maharaja / fire department would come to put out the fire to save these deviants posing as messiahs, so these deviants could remain in the post of God's eternal successors.

In other words, the real history is -- that these Gaudiya Matha folks were the biggest advocates for the bogus 11 gurus in ISKCON after 1977. And even early on, when they were told these 11 gurus had illicit sex and drugs problems, these Gaudiya Matha "advisors" continued to prop them up as acharyas. After 1983 the ISKCON leaders started to work more and more with BV Narayana Maharaja, whom from time to time would say outrageous things that opposed Srila Prabhupada's instructions -- for example: There is no Kalki avatar; Worship of Lord Narasimhadeva in a Radha Krishna temple is bogus; We do not originate in Krishna's lila or sport, and so on. And yet despite hearing these offensive comments repeatedly, the leaders went on promoting him.

And gradually BV Narayan Maharaja then became Tamal's most darling associate who went to stay with Tamal in Dallas and so forth. Then Tamal and the other leaders like Satsvarupa, Giriraja, Sivarama, Mahanidhi, Indradyumna and others started their "Narayan Maharaja rasika club" where they were discussing the more intimate aspects of Krishna lila, which Srila Prabhupada did not want discussed by his followers and disciples.

Meanwhile, as these folks were engaged in their "advanced divine talks" many children in these leader's schools reported being abused, starved and deprived of basic food, clothes and medicines; and dissenters like us were also being banned, beaten and assassinated etc. In other word, the movement started to become more and more "sahajiya" (cheap pure devotees) -- or worse criminal and sahajiya, where the important aspects of managing were being neglected while a few elite people artificially posed as saints, at the expense of others, including children.

Srila Prabhupada said post-1936 Gaudiya Matha books were useless because of editing, and now, ISKCON books are all being edited?

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A CONVERSATION WITH BV Narayana Maharaja

Narayana Maharaja: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura had so many very qualified disciples. Among them our Guru Maharaja was very prominent; and others were also, like Pujyapada Srila Sridhara Maharaja, Srila Bhakti Vilasa Tirtha, Srila Srauti Maharaja, Srila Giri Maharaja, Srila Bon Maharaja, Srila Vaikhanas Maharaja, Srila Bharati Maharaja, Srila Madhava Maharaja, Srila Siddhanti Maharaja, and so many others. And they established their mathas here and there.

After Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, there was a person named Ananta Vasudeva prabhu. He was very qualified, but he became charmed by a lady devotee and left his sannyasa. They married, and after that all became against him and said, "Now you should enter family life. This behavior is like that of a dog who eats something and again vomits it." At that time he was very powerful. He had money and so many disciples, and he began to torture his God-brothers, the disciples of Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Thakura, who opposed him.

Satyarupa dasi: What was the cause of the friction?

Narayana Maharaja: It came about because he was attracted to his own lady-disciple and married her. Everyone told him that in Srimad-Bhagavatam and other scriptures it is written that such behavior is not a good thing for Vaisnavism. They said, "You should go with her; and you should vacate your position as acarya." Everyone turned against him. He was at that time very wealthy, and he had a great deal of power. His God-brothers therefore left his place and established their own mathas here and there.

Satyarupa dasi: Was the falling of Ananta Vasudeva Krsna's arrangement so that the Gaudiya Matha would grow more?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Yes, that is right. We can reconcile it in this way. Otherwise we could not have preached all over the world.

I know that we are all in one family, and the family master is Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who taught that we should all serve Radha and Krsna. Though our preaching centers are in different places, we are in one family. I also think that you are in our family.

Satyarupa dasi: I think so too. We are all one family.

[PADA: Great! We are "one family" with the bi-sexual acharyas, the usurpers of the Gaudiya Math mission, those who orchestrated having us types of dissenters banned, beaten and killed? How come we are one family with these deviants? This is like saying Jesus' church is one with Satan's church, sorry, he isn't!]

One big happy family!

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Meanwhile ISKCON guru Gaura Govinda Maharaja (Orissa) was promoting a disciple of Ananta Vasudeva named Fakir Mohan: http://www.scribd.com/doc/18502294/Ananta-Vasudeva

Indradyumna Swami embraces Fakir Mohan

For the record Srila Prabhupada had said that the Bagh Bazaar party of Sridhara Maharaja, Ananta Vasudeva / Fakir Mohan were "severe offenders." Rather amazingly Gaura Govinda Maharaja was saying "we need to stay in ISKCON," while he was himself promoting the Gaudiya Matha, and other Orissa babajis. Fakir Mohan was then being introduced by other various ISKCON leaders to speak at ISKCON temples around the world, and one can find videos of his speeches on youtube.

Since Ananta Vasudeva was a bi-sexual deviant posing as a saint, whose program orchestrated the assassination of dissenters, why is his program being introduced into ISKCON? All of this is simply another attempt to RE-WRITE HISTORY and to make Ananta Vasudeva out to be a bona fide saint, despite Srila Prabhupada said Ananta Vasudeva was "homosex and sex" and "a jackal" etc.

Later on BV Puri Maharaja emerged as another Gaudiya Matha "advisor" for some of the apa-ISKCON gurus such as Gopal Krishna, and BV Puri said that folks like ISKCON "guru" Radhanath swami are saints. At the same time, he would sometimes admit that these gurus are bogus and had only been appointed as ritviks. He has been all over the map.

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/02/bv-puri-maharaja-all-over-map.html

Radhanath swami with BV Puri Maharaja 

And then we have the other "Puri," namely BP Puri (Bhakti Pramode) who  was yet another "advisor" who supported people like Jayapataka. In other words, the GBC gurus seems to gravitate to the Gaudiya Matha folks for help, support and association almost all the time. Why is it that when Srila Prabhupada was here, we never went to visit these people, associate with them, and make them some sort of advisors?

Tripurari Swami Glorifies BP Puri Maharaja as a pure devotee:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2012/03/is-bp-puri-pure-devotee.html

These leaders have not been alone in "jumping over the river to the Gaudiya Matha," they lead a pied piper process taking lot of others away from ISKCON and over to the Gaudiya Matha such as Tripurari swami, Jagat guru swami, Paramadvaita swami and many others. And all of these folks are trying to re-write history too, saying that the Gaudiya Matha's leaders were not EVER really that supportive of the ISKCON 11 gurus. Of course since most of these people also got their "rubber stamp of guru" from the Gaudiya Matha, its hard for them to criticize that process.

Then we have people like Guru Kripa and Bhakta das, and they also became supporters of ISKCON gurus like Trivrikrama swami, and Gaudiya Matha folks like BV Puri Maharaja, and their idea has been that people like Radhanath swami are "saints." BV Puri also became associated with the GBC's Shastra Advisory Committee" folks (the SAC) which is basically supporting the bogus GBC gurus, and is making wholesale deviations like reversing the order of the deity pooja.

What is amazing is that Guru Kripa first of all told us in Santa Cruz that these Gaudiya Matha people are "stabbing Srila Prabhupada in the back," then the next thing we hear he is in India "surrendering to BV Puri Maharaja." So this is another classic example of a HISTORY re-write, the Gaudiya Matha folks are bogus for supporting, aiding and abetting the ISKCON GBC's bogus gurus -- and in so doing they are stabbing Srila Prabhupada in the back no less, therefore, lets go and surrender there! Re-writing history, plain and simple.

Guru Kripa das

Guru Kripa das: I asked Harikesh sitting next to me, "How are you going to let people call you a PARAMAHANSA? You are not a REALIZED SOUL; you are a piece of sh*t." He turned to me with a smirk on his face, and said "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT." That day, Bhavananda, TKG, and Bhagavan asked me to meet them in the guest house for a meeting. When I came, they said, why are you making waves? Just stop making trouble about this APPOINTMENT of GURUS and we'll make you the 12TH GURU at the next Mayapur meeting. I told them, Prabhupada did not make ANYONE gurus, you have to be a REALIZED SOUL. If Srila Prabhupada has appointed these eleven as spiritual masters, why did they not start INITIATING AT ONCE? Because they all knew very well they were never APPOINTED as gurus!

[PADA: Good, so why go with BHAKTA DAS to the Gaudiya Matha's gurus, after Srila Prabhupada says, amongst my God brothers no one  is qualified to be acharya? And after telling us they are stabbing Srila Prabhupada in the back by supporting the false 11 gurus? And after these Gaudiya Matha people were not only propping up the bogus GBC gurus, but worse, orchestrating attacking the Prabhupadanuga idea by demonizing us -- thus getting some of us killed?

There is another layer to this history, that after 1977 the ISKCON society became more or less a criminal empire, often with these Gaudiya Matha folks encouraging the big players. How did that happen? Srila Prabhupada had often said some of these Gaudiya Matha leaders are USURPERS, they have hi-jacked the Gaudiya Matha's property, and that they were fourth class, tenth class, envious of guru, hogs and dogs, kill guru and become guru, homosex and sex, and so on and so forth. In sum, they also had made the Gaudiya Matha a criminally hi-jacked operation. These usurpers supported the GBC's usurpers?

And people like Bhakta das were very big players in the post 1977 criminal - ization of ISKCON. He was selling VERY DANGEROUS designer drugs. Simultaneously, Jayatirtha's folks were selling designer drugs like ecstasy. Simultaneously, some of Ramesvara's people were busted for selling drugs -- apparently heroin. Simultaneously, the Laguna Beach temple president was arrested for selling drugs. Simultaneously, Kirtanananda's drug mules were arrested, and prominent people from the New Vrndavana program were arrested for selling drugs. Simultaneously, Hansadutta's people were arrested for selling guns, and all sorts of other assorted crimes, and so on and so forth.

How did you guess? Tamal, Jayatirtha, Hansadutta and Ramesvara were all being supported by Sridhara Maharaja. While Kirtanananda's program was later being cheer lead by Satsvarupa, and this regime was being supported by Narayana Maharaja who was giving Satsvarupa "rasika lessons." Worse, Bhakta das STILL supports disciples of Gaudiya Matha gurus like Madhava maharaja, such as Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha (a disciple of Madhava Maharaja). The people who stick their fingers in Srila Prabhupada's face to tell him he cannot use his own Prabhupada title, are in Bhakta's guru parampara?

In other words, the criminal - ization process of ISKCON has had various supporters from these Gaudiya Matha camps all along, as well as personal attacks upon our acharya, as well as posting fools as acharyas. How does Krishna feel about having fools sitting in a seat meant for His guru successors?

Everyone (else) knows usurpers are not messiahs!

Ramesh Babu, another GBC "rasa advisor" from Radha Kunda

The question we might ask today is, how did Bhakta das, one of the biggest leaders in the dubious Gaudiya Matha's gurus / GBC's gurus / Radhanath swami / Madhava Maharaja folks et al. group, become the spokesmen for the Prabhupadanugas on the Prabhupadanugas EU web site? Everyone knows Bhakta das supports the GBC's gurus like Trivrikrama and Radhanath, and Gaudiya Matha gurus like BV Puri, and he supports and quotes Madhava's disciples like Bhakti Ballabha tirtha. Bhakta das is in sum one with all these people and yet some folks claiming to be Prabhupadanugas are citing this fellow as the spokesman for the Prabhupadanugas?

We need to fix the fire in the Matha, by pouring gasoline on the fire? As one devotee said, when there is a fire in the horse's barn -- sometimes the horse cannot be removed from the barn -- despite the blaze. The horse is so used to taking shelter of the barn, he still thinks its a safe place despite the fire. So these so-called Prabhupadanugas EU are STILL taking shelter of the criminals and molester messiahs because they think that is their safety and actual home. Guess what? Your barn is on fire! Or is it because some of these alleged Prabhupadanugas are criminals and molesters themselves and that is whom they identify with, birds of a feather, so they promote same as their spokesmen?

Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha with Narayan Maharaja

Sulochana das detested all these people, and he said they are turning ISKCON into a criminal empire, which could kill some of us for objecting. And now, they are our spokespeople? This is amazing, the worse examples of criminalizing ISKCON are simultaneously -- the spokesmen for the GBC and now, spokesmen also for "the reform" of ISKCON? Ummm, well we hate to have to point this out, but this Bhakta das group (supporters of the bogus GBC's gurus) have about zero credibility these days, or their days are close to over.

Sorry, the same guys who created the criminal empire cannot reform ISKCON from that same problem? Worse, while these guys were busy making all these criminal programs, the children were getting molested, devotees were being beaten and killed, and so forth. The criminals neglected to help us address these issues, so these issues simply got worse, in other words, they enabled all these problems.

At the moment some of the big cheer leaders for the Bhakta das / BV Puri / Gaudiya Matha / Madhava Maharaja / Bhakti Ballabha tirtha program are Mukunda das / Prahlad das from England, and their loyal coterie on Prabhupadanugas EU. They complain about us while promoting the criminal messiah's sector's leaders like Bhakta das, who is in fact a criminal himself. Of course, the policy of promoting criminals and molesters as saints is why we have had criminals and molesters overtake the ISKCON society in the first place.

And now perhaps we know why: Mukunda is another bogus GBC style sexual predator who uses ISKCON as a vehicle to "use and abuse" the poor devotee women, even to engage in illicit sex in the holy dham with a devotee woman he meets there. This is the same pattern as the bogus GBC guru program has done with women -- to criminally exploit them. His wife went to the police to file a complaint that he is a woman beater.

OK and this is the same "domestic abuse" big problem we had at New Vrndavana under Kirtanananda, women were reporting the same exact thing as is being done by these "Prabhupada saviors." Mukunda identifies with the abusers and molesters program, and that is why he cites them as his authority, because he is one of them himself. No wonder then he sees us as a threat to his molester program and so he has to run to GBC guru lover's like Bhakta das for comfort, and now the Prabhupadanugas EU has gone back to the barn that is on fire to cite this group as their authorities? That is like jumping into the water to get relief from the sun, only to hit your head on the stones under the water.

Srila Prabhupada says when a guru or spiritual authority uses his post as a senior leader to exploit a woman for sex, it is exactly like having sex with one's own daughter. That person is a child molester de facto. In other words, this Mukunda is simply another GBC style woman exploiter / sexual predator. And -- at least according to Srila Prabhupada -- he is a de facto child molester for using his position of senior authority over a junior woman to exploit her for sex. No wonder these birds flock together. We simply cannot go back to the bogus GBC policy of promoting criminals, sexual predators, women beaters, and / or GBC guru supporters -- as a solution to the problem. These people ARE THE PROBLEM!

It seems the criminals, molesters and exploiters not only love and support one another, but much worse, promote entire deviant programs of such persons as messiahs. The good news is that more people are starting to put all this together, and we are seeing a rejection of all these people wholesale. Their support is dwindling and support for our positive preaching is increasing.

Even within the Narayan Maharaja camp itself we are seeing more and more reports of leader's "brutal treatment," "swamis using money to make buildings for their lovers," "corporate money mentality," "swamis not following," "sexual predators," "mis-using funds," "rolex watches," and so on and so forth. Its all going to come back down to the basic points, we have to GO BACK to worship the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada and avoid all these bogus criminals posing as a religion. Once again, Srila Prabhupada did warn us about all these dubious out-croppings, thus, we can only avoid his warnings -- at our peril.

There will perhaps be some forms of criminals hanging around in any religion, thus the first proposition is, these criminals have to be out of the post as the messiahs, gurus, leaders, spokesmen and spiritual authorities of that religion. They have to be in a position where they can be monitored and moderated, not in the seats of big authority. Otherwise, the religion will have no credibility, its that simple. Then again, we have nice temples like Sunnyvale, where there are no such criminals. Period. That is even better yet: avoid the whole criminal element altogether. Anyway, the parallels of the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha and post-1977 ISKCON are astonishing, and we hope some lessons have been learned here.

ys pd

Neophytes treated as acharyas


Prabhupada worship is a great cancer:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/12/bhakta-das-prabhupadas-worship-great.html

The Radhanath Revival group:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/bhakta-dass-radhanatha-swami-revival.html

Radhanath places Kirtanananda in his "samadhi":

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/12/kirtanananda-swami-is-still-saint.html

Jayapataka's ghost busting scam:

http://www.iskcontruth.com/2013/05/jayapatakas-ghost-busting-scam.html

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/05/who-ya-gonna-call-ghost-busters.html

Jayapataka's ghost buster Chiteshvara's web site:

http://www.pagalbaba.net/home.php?ur=historiaig&bt=botig

Going to Mayapura in 1972

 


Narayana Maharaja, Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha and assembly





3 comments:

  1. Yes, Bhakta das has said we Prabhupada devotees are a cancer, and therefore he is being cited as an authority on Prabhupadanugas EU because they have more faith in his testimony than ours, i.e. they cite the people who say that our worship of HDG is a cancer, and they cite him to attack us Prabhupada devotees. Of course if someone like Madhu Pandit das says we should worship Srila Prabhupada as the guru and not the Gaudiya Matha and Radhanath swami, as Madhu Pandit is doing, then Prabhupadanugas EU folks will attack that person day and night as bogus, while propping up the people who are saying Prabhupada's pooja is the cancerous tumor. In other words, they have full faith in the testimony of the people who attack Srila Prabhupada worship, and they not only have NO faith in our people promoting Srila Prabhupada, they attack them as bogus. Yes, that makes them hand maidens of the molester messiahs project, and that is how these same people have caused molesters and deviants to sit in guru seats since 1977. They have been at this all along since 1977, and yes, they knew full well Bhakta das says Srila Prabhupada worshipers are cancer all along before they posted him as their authority. Yes, they are knowingly posting people who attack us as cancer, and knowingly attacking the people who say we should worship Prabhupada like us and Madhu Pandit. They are with the cancer program mainly, yep you got it, same exact problem since 1977. ys pd

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  2. Yes it is amazing that Prabhupadanugas EU think the way forward is to promote Bhakta das and his Gaudiya Matha and GBC lover's program, and Rocana's writer Urdhva Ketu, and Bhakti ananada who is against the ritviks, and the Australia web site that says Vaishnavas are demons. The Prabhupadanugas EU thinks they will sneak in their bogus agenda and fool us, they have no idea that our people already have no faith in any of these sources. They are also having secret meetings with all these folks, like Bhakta das, and sometimes making tape recordings of those meetings to promote these Radhanath folks, they are not tape recording us because we would challenge all their entire agenda, yes they are with them. They do not tape record our people who are for Prabhupada, rather they tape record the people who are for Radhanath. Yes, they with the molester messiahs, and that is why they oppose ua. yes it is that simple. ys pd

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  3. Meanwhile, Dayalu Nitai and the HKC is promoting Prahlad, who is promoting Bhakta das, Rocana, the gay guru defenders, and the Australia web site that says Vaishnavas are demons. Why is the HKC promoting the agenda that says Vaishnavas are demons? Why doesn't the HKC know we should not be promoting the people who say Vaishnavas are demons? ys pd

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