Tuesday, September 10, 2013
Kirtan Standards position paper
[PADA: There are some good points made in this document, unfortunately the author is ex-guru Harikesha swami. The idea that we should not introduce different kirtanas, and / or different tunes, especially in temple programs, is a good point. The point about singing "Jaya Gurudeva" without mentioning the name of the guru is also a good point. This has become a fashion in the modern ISKCON and Gaudiya Matha environment, they say "you have to accept a guru" without ever mentioning the name of the guru. This is sahajiya. Anyway, read the paper yourself and if you have any of your own experiences, please comment. ys pd]
Monday, September 9, 2013
Abused women syndrome / Stockholm syndrome
PADA: Thanks BK Ralph. Yes you are right, after being beaten up and down the street by many of the GBC's "gurus," then some people -- who are actually victims of the GBC gurus -- turn around and say, hey lets support Bhakta dasa and his cheer leading of the GBC's gurus program! Lets promote Bhakta's program of the worship of the Gaudiya Matha's usurpers and singing the glories of Kirtanananda's and Tamal's samadhis!
You are correct BK Ralph, this is like a woman who is in an abusive relationship. The story of the woman you told us is quite a good example. She would get beat up, even bloodied, cry all day long, and then at night, she would still crawl into bed with her abuser, thinking he was her best friend, protector and lover.
This may also be related to Stockholm syndrome, where people end up loving their vicious kidnappers. Yes, this means there is a major psychological breakdown going on here. Agreed. And yes, that is one of the reasons we had to go outside to expose this program. You are right, there is a major psychological co-dependency issue here, which is very destructive for both the abusers and the abused, because they both spiral down into lower modes of self-destructive behavior. Very good analysis.
In any case, Sulochana said we will have to go outside these two groups, the abusers and the abused, the cheaters and the cheated, and take our story to the outside, because the people in the grips of these two modes of behavior are often stuck there for a long time, maybe their whole lives. So yes, that explains why we had to go external. In any event, you hit it out of the ballpark, this entire situation is the result of major psychological problems. Agreed. ys pd
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/09/sulochana-dasa-was-right-external.html
You are correct BK Ralph, this is like a woman who is in an abusive relationship. The story of the woman you told us is quite a good example. She would get beat up, even bloodied, cry all day long, and then at night, she would still crawl into bed with her abuser, thinking he was her best friend, protector and lover.
This may also be related to Stockholm syndrome, where people end up loving their vicious kidnappers. Yes, this means there is a major psychological breakdown going on here. Agreed. And yes, that is one of the reasons we had to go outside to expose this program. You are right, there is a major psychological co-dependency issue here, which is very destructive for both the abusers and the abused, because they both spiral down into lower modes of self-destructive behavior. Very good analysis.
In any case, Sulochana said we will have to go outside these two groups, the abusers and the abused, the cheaters and the cheated, and take our story to the outside, because the people in the grips of these two modes of behavior are often stuck there for a long time, maybe their whole lives. So yes, that explains why we had to go external. In any event, you hit it out of the ballpark, this entire situation is the result of major psychological problems. Agreed. ys pd
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/09/sulochana-dasa-was-right-external.html
Message about the Gaudiya Matha's support of the GBC gurus
PADA: All we said is, that the post-1977 GBC gurus were supported by folks like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, BV Puri, BP Puri and others and -- and they made a big mistake because, the 11 GBC are not gurus, were not gurus, could not have been gurus.
These folks all conjointly said -- we are bogus to criticize their 11 gurus, and their policy of backing and supporting of the 11, and even helping the 11 write apa-siddhanta "position papers," etc. So they (folks like you quoted, such as the BVML folks) first of all said we were bogus for not joining with them in support of the 11, and so we had to defend ourselves.
However, we are not bogus, the 11 are not, were not, could not have been gurus. All they have to do is admit they made a huge error, and move on? We did not make this error, we said these 11 are not gurus and we are correct. They said things like we are "bogus ritviks" because we failed to support the 11 and these folks who were at various times cheer leaders for the 11.
If there is someone who is not part of any of these groups, you failed to tell us who that is, all you did was to tell us you are citing the BVML folks, and these are the people I have mentioned above. If there is someone who was not part of the process of support of the 11, we have never heard of that person, and worse, you cited the web site of the people who did support the 11. Bona fide gurus do not support deviants posing as gurus, its not done, and they do not criticize people like us for addressing bogus gurus. ys pd
Sunday, September 8, 2013
Rocana das (Sampradaya Sun) argues with -- himself? 09/08/13
(From Rocana das / Sampradya Sun) Dear George prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I know we have another incoming article or email from you, while I’ll get to shortly. We’re buried in incoming right now. Meanwhile, on this one…
On, Yasodanandana, we can only speculate about what devotees will or will not believe, and from whom. From my experience, Krishnakant is the man who, far more than Yasoda, has had vastly more influence on people to adopt Rtvik-vada.
RD: I agree that we have every reason to fear the contagious spread of Rtvik-vada.
[PADA: Well yes, Rocana's living guru idea is simply a re-incarnation of the Gaudiya Matha, how did you guess, Bhakta das also promotes them.]
RD: In the meantime, we’re going to fight like there’s no tomorrow, using the scant resources we have in hand, and our own limited intelligence and abilities. But, fight for the sake of fighting.
RD: As I recall, not so long ago you weren’t sure about Puranjana, didn’t realize what a liar and a crazy man he was. (Or maybe I’m confusing you with someone else…) At any rate, make no mistake, Puranajana is just that – an absolute lunatic, a pathological liar, and a fraud. And you know who talks to him, at length, almost daily by phone, consulting with him, coming up with slanderous arguments together, jacking around and joking about how to denigrate their enemies?
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I know we have another incoming article or email from you, while I’ll get to shortly. We’re buried in incoming right now. Meanwhile, on this one…
On, Yasodanandana, we can only speculate about what devotees will or will not believe, and from whom. From my experience, Krishnakant is the man who, far more than Yasoda, has had vastly more influence on people to adopt Rtvik-vada.
[PADA: Except that Krishna Kanta was reading all of mine and Yasodananda's articles in the 1980s "Vedic Village Review." And he was on the phone asking us questions on these matters, way before he wrote anything, and he used all the quotes we used in his own papers later on.]
RD: Yasoda has written very little on the topic, and when he does, he won’t put his on name to it. He hides behind the skirt of the ‘Prabhupadanugas’ identity.
[PADA: Yasodananda has wrote papers and signed them, and he has helped contribute to many other papers. He has challenged Rocana to a debate maybe ten years ago, and Rocana could not even answer the first question, "What arrangement was made for ISKCON post 1977?" Rocana cannot even answer one of our questions, never mind others.]
RD: Krishnakant put himself out in a big way, sent preachers all over the planet preaching his message, not Yasoda’s message – and there is a significant difference between the two.
[PADA: Except that when we came out with the poison issue, most of Krishna Kanta's preachers quit working with him and started working with us, including the main preacher Kamsahanta. Bangalore eventually jettisoned Krishna Kanta for the same reasons, he was too compromised with the GBC.]
RD: From what I can see, it is the Krishnakant version, not the Yasodanandana version, that the great majority of Rtviks adhere to. Given all that, wiring Yasodanandana up into his puppet form so I can get his head to nod ‘yes’ doesn’t much interest me.
[PADA: However, Rocana has never answered the question not only from Yasodananda, but many others including Praghosha dasa, "What was the actual system Srila Prabhupada ordered"?]
RD: I agree that we have every reason to fear the contagious spread of Rtvik-vada.
[PADA: So worship of Srila Prabhupada is apa-siddhanta, that is what the GBC says? That is what the Gaudiya Matha says? That is what Bhakta das says? That is what Bhakta's new disciples the Prahlad team are also promoting by their promoting Bhakta das? If worship of Srila Prabhupada is apa-siddanta, then what was ordered instead? And who should be worshiped now instead etc.? Rocana never explains?]
RD: Asiddhanta has plagued the sampradaya through each one of its branches over time.
[PADA: Except, Srila Prabhupada says that when the Gaudiya Matha stopped the worship of the acharya, as Rocana is promoting with his living gurus, that is what is apa-siddhanta.]
RD: It is the nature of the material world. So I don’t want to overly dramatize the important for us, here and now, as being anything more than it is. We are not special. We are suffering in this Kali Yuga prisonhouse just like all the conditioned souls who went before us, even in this sampradaya…. many of whom were perhaps us, in different bodies.
[PADA: Well yes, Rocana's living guru idea is simply a re-incarnation of the Gaudiya Matha, how did you guess, Bhakta das also promotes them.]
RD: I agree that Madhu Pandit and ISKCON could just as easily marry themselves together one day, as not. Both do whatever is politically expedient. They are equally corrupt. Spoiled fruit from the same rotten tree.
[PADA: OK so now Rocana says his living guru tree produces bad fruits? So, why is he promoting it? And why is Madhu Pandi't idea or worship of Srila Prabhupada a "rotten fruit"?]
RD: Yes, Madhu Pandit would only debate Rtvik if it were politically helpful to him. But that is a possible scenario… Given the slew of trouble he’s gotten himself into, that day could possibly come.
[PADA: Madhua Pandit is only in trouble because Rocana's living gurus are spending $15,000,000 suing him? Rocana caused the trouble for Madhu Pandit by helping create and endorse these bogus living gurus.]
RD: There’s a good chance he’s about to lose his seat of power at Bangalore. He’ll then have to start over, and he may very well do so by institutionalizing Rtvik all over the planet, grabbing up the disenfranchised from every corner. If that happens, there’s probably no stopping it. We’ll only be able to see what Krsna’s arrangements are, and do what we can.
If Madhu Pandit does go worldwide, you can be sure that he’ll exploit the Indians, just like ISKCON did. He and his associates are very bigoted and rascist against the white-bodied devotees. We have ample proof of that. Look at their new California scene…. all Indians, from what I’ve seen.
If Madhu Pandit does go worldwide, you can be sure that he’ll exploit the Indians, just like ISKCON did. He and his associates are very bigoted and rascist against the white-bodied devotees. We have ample proof of that. Look at their new California scene…. all Indians, from what I’ve seen.
[PADA: OK except -- the Westerners are not joining the Krishna religion in the West in big numbers anywhere, because the GBC gurus are famous for being frauds. At least there is some program here in Sunnyvale? Some Western devotees go there, and they are always welcomed. Where is Rocana's big preaching to the Westerners program? At least we have some Westerners participating?]
RD: Where is Yasodanandana, the king of the West Coast Rtviks? From the website photos, it doesn’t appear that he even got an invitation to the opening festivities. Although Madhu Pandit Yasoda and Damaghosa audience in Bangalore, which they sucked as much notoriety as possible out of, I don’t believe Madhu Pandit will ever form more than a superficial alliance with these ‘mellecha white boys’. It’s beneath him.
[PADA: Rocana's living gurus are almost exclusively cultivating the Indians? Where is anyone making Western devotees in the West? Is Rocana making any Western devotees, anywhere? The latest news from Vancouver is that the ritviks program is doing very well there, while Rocana has no visible program, at all?]
RD: So all that said, I continue to think that the only thing we can really do is take our fundamental argument to the individuals, to the grassroots level.
[PADA: Rocana's living gurus are almost exclusively cultivating the Indians? Where is anyone making Western devotees in the West? Is Rocana making any Western devotees, anywhere? The latest news from Vancouver is that the ritviks program is doing very well there, while Rocana has no visible program, at all?]
RD: So all that said, I continue to think that the only thing we can really do is take our fundamental argument to the individuals, to the grassroots level.
[PADA: The grass roots are more and more worshiping Srila Prabhupada because for starters, Rocana cannot even identify his live guru? We need to at least name our guru to start any program, and Rocana never names his living guru, ever.]
RD: Push them to admit that there is no evidentiary or philosophical basis for Rtvik-vada. Show them that the Sampradaya Acarya position is the natural alternative to Rtvik-ism and corrupt ISKCON, and rely on
Supersoul to take it from there.
Supersoul to take it from there.
[PADA: OK except, we were the first person to use to title "sampradaya acharya" in our early 1980s papers like, "Our Living Guru." We said people need to worship the Sampradaya Acharya, and now Rocana has hi-jacked our nomenclature. Anyway, Rocana says that our idea of worship of the samrapadaya acharya is bogus ritviks, then right after that -- he says, hold on, I am also a ritvik, lets join the ritviks and worship the sampradaya acharya? Rocana is fighting -- himself?]
RD: In the meantime, we’re going to fight like there’s no tomorrow, using the scant resources we have in hand, and our own limited intelligence and abilities. But, fight for the sake of fighting.
[PADA: Rocana is fighting with his own shadow, he says we needs to defeat the people who are promoting the sampradaya acharya, and that is -- himself?]
RD: We won’t spend our time, however, trying to engage men like Yasodanandana, or Puranjana, in debate.
[PADA: Well our own first question was, "Who is your living guru," and Rocana has been baffled ever since.]
RD: As I recall, not so long ago you weren’t sure about Puranjana, didn’t realize what a liar and a crazy man he was. (Or maybe I’m confusing you with someone else…) At any rate, make no mistake, Puranajana is just that – an absolute lunatic, a pathological liar, and a fraud. And you know who talks to him, at length, almost daily by phone, consulting with him, coming up with slanderous arguments together, jacking around and joking about how to denigrate their enemies?
[PADA: Rocana says we are liars, except, we are simply quoting the many victims of ISKCON? Their stories are not lies? We also used the term sampradaya acharya decades before he did? If this is a lie, why is he repeating it?
This is the same problem we have with the Prahlad people, Puranjan bought out the poison issue, therefore it is big lie because it was presented by a liar. OK that means they have been with the GBC gurus on the issue. Then they say no, actually they are with us on the issue, Puranjan is not a liar, he is 100 percent correct and we are 100 percent using the tapes he brought out, and 100 percent using the whispers he first published before anyone else.
Then they say no, we are now promoting Radhanath and Bhakta das therefore, the poison issue is a lie, and the GBC are 100 percent correct, and the tape and the whispers are a big lie. Every day they have a new position? They are like Rocana, arguing with -- themselves. They are spinning in circles, at least our position is consistent.]
This is the same problem we have with the Prahlad people, Puranjan bought out the poison issue, therefore it is big lie because it was presented by a liar. OK that means they have been with the GBC gurus on the issue. Then they say no, actually they are with us on the issue, Puranjan is not a liar, he is 100 percent correct and we are 100 percent using the tapes he brought out, and 100 percent using the whispers he first published before anyone else.
Then they say no, we are now promoting Radhanath and Bhakta das therefore, the poison issue is a lie, and the GBC are 100 percent correct, and the tape and the whispers are a big lie. Every day they have a new position? They are like Rocana, arguing with -- themselves. They are spinning in circles, at least our position is consistent.]
RD: Yasodanandana. For the last 20 years, those two have been thick as thieves. I used to tell myself that
somehow or other, Yasoda associated closely with Puranjana just to be kind, but he managed to keep his own intelligence and ethics intact. I no longer believe that. I think they have a twisted, co-dependent
relationship of the worst kind. So I’m not interested in engaging in a mock battle with either those two. It is a complete waste of time.
[PADA: Because you could not answer his first question, nor ours.]
RD: I very much appreciate your interest in helping on this front, prabhu. And I’d like to offer some advice. Rather than playing devil’s advocate, posting questions that look like something the Rtviks would come up with – and being a good resemblance, thanks to the lack of logic– I suggest that you instead present yourself straight-on. Begin writing with all your heart and soul.
somehow or other, Yasoda associated closely with Puranjana just to be kind, but he managed to keep his own intelligence and ethics intact. I no longer believe that. I think they have a twisted, co-dependent
relationship of the worst kind. So I’m not interested in engaging in a mock battle with either those two. It is a complete waste of time.
[PADA: Because you could not answer his first question, nor ours.]
RD: I very much appreciate your interest in helping on this front, prabhu. And I’d like to offer some advice. Rather than playing devil’s advocate, posting questions that look like something the Rtviks would come up with – and being a good resemblance, thanks to the lack of logic– I suggest that you instead present yourself straight-on. Begin writing with all your heart and soul.
Write as George, the non-Rtvik. Use your realization and intelligence to rebut Rtvik-vada, to defeat the attraction towards Ritvik-ism in any way that you see fit. You often give me advice about my approach. Well, here’s my advice: fashion your own approach. Let us work together, by all means, but let us employ whatever tactics and realizations fit us best.
If you’re convinced Rtvik is wrong, then argue against it as effectively as you can muster. And often… not quarterly, not monthly, but weekly. If you think the ‘no living guru needed’ hybrid has merit, then argue that and defend it. (I’ll challenge you as time permits.) For my part, I’m not yet ready to begin that frontal assault. It is next in line, after The Final Order is defeated, as best we can do that.
That’s all I know for now, prabhu.
Hoping this finds you well,
Your servant,
Rocana dasa
That’s all I know for now, prabhu.
Hoping this finds you well,
Your servant,
Rocana dasa
[PADA: Well there you have it, Rocana wants to fight to prove that his idea of worship of the sampradaya acharya, ... is bogus. What? ys pd]
India Protest Leaves 9 Dead
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/09/08/india-riots-leave-9-dead.html
[PADA: This is one thing people keep asking us, if the GBC guru system is so corrupt (and it is), how come "the devotees" do not get out there in public and protest them? Where are the protesters? Whereas in places like India, all kinds people go out on a regular basis, and they make a noisy public protest over -- well just about every and any issue, and they even start big riots over all kinds of issues, all the time? Where are the ISKCON protesters?
As one devotee said recently, its like waking the dead to get devotees to go out and protest. At the same time, the Bhagavad Gita says, we have to protest evil doers, but not many are doing that. Why? This is a question we get all the time. ys pd]
[PADA: This is one thing people keep asking us, if the GBC guru system is so corrupt (and it is), how come "the devotees" do not get out there in public and protest them? Where are the protesters? Whereas in places like India, all kinds people go out on a regular basis, and they make a noisy public protest over -- well just about every and any issue, and they even start big riots over all kinds of issues, all the time? Where are the ISKCON protesters?
As one devotee said recently, its like waking the dead to get devotees to go out and protest. At the same time, the Bhagavad Gita says, we have to protest evil doers, but not many are doing that. Why? This is a question we get all the time. ys pd]
Rocana's program offers no shelter
@”Also, Rocan’s comments seem to be a strange twist to the otherwise strong emphasis he puts on Srila Prabhupada on his website.”
These are pattern of projecting the frustration over 45 fallen “living” ISKCON gurus onto Prabhupadanugas who Rocana knows cannot repel his attack because they are banned from his website.
This constant rebelling and conforming against Prabhupadanugas who resemble Rocana’s original hurters trap him away from his obligation to tell the truth. He himself becomes a failure instead. This is the psycho-drama behind the curtain that characterizes Rocana’s Sampradaya Sun.
Dear Rocana, unforgiveness sets us upon negative paths. Unresolved hate, especially hate hiding behind a serving, sweet smile, predestines us to play the role of slave or tyrant. Until this hidden cause is revealed and resolved, our lives will go from bad to worse. For your own sake you must develop loads of compassion for all those victims of false gurus.
Prabhupada: This is Vaishnava’s philosophy, that “You suffer. I’ll go to Vaikuntha.” That is not Vaishnava philosophy. Vaishnava philosophy is that “I take your all sinful activities. Let me suffer here. You go to Vaikuntha.” This is Vaishnava. (Hyderabad, August 17, 1976)
These are pattern of projecting the frustration over 45 fallen “living” ISKCON gurus onto Prabhupadanugas who Rocana knows cannot repel his attack because they are banned from his website.
This constant rebelling and conforming against Prabhupadanugas who resemble Rocana’s original hurters trap him away from his obligation to tell the truth. He himself becomes a failure instead. This is the psycho-drama behind the curtain that characterizes Rocana’s Sampradaya Sun.
Dear Rocana, unforgiveness sets us upon negative paths. Unresolved hate, especially hate hiding behind a serving, sweet smile, predestines us to play the role of slave or tyrant. Until this hidden cause is revealed and resolved, our lives will go from bad to worse. For your own sake you must develop loads of compassion for all those victims of false gurus.
Prabhupada: This is Vaishnava’s philosophy, that “You suffer. I’ll go to Vaikuntha.” That is not Vaishnava philosophy. Vaishnava philosophy is that “I take your all sinful activities. Let me suffer here. You go to Vaikuntha.” This is Vaishnava. (Hyderabad, August 17, 1976)
[PADA: Yes, Rocana has posted comments that we need to find a bona fide guru in ISKCON and take shelter of that guru. So he is still promoting the GBC guru program mainly. Yes, he also does not allow our comments. Then again the Prahlad group are doing the same thing, they want us to take shelter of criminals like Bhakta das who is promoting the GBC's gurus. They just do not get it, there is no shelter with these GBC's gurus. The only shelter is Srila Prabhupada. ys pd]
Mayapura: Not Very Safe For Devotees?
SD: Recently an older devotee was repeatedly stabbed here in Mayapur. Sadhu das from Argentina was attacked five five goondas sent by a so-called devotee to kill him. Sadhu prabhu is recovering in a Kolkata hospital. The culprits have been arrested. Unfortunately Mayapur is becoming more and more like a ghetto and the land mafia is prospering. Very unsafe place at the moment.
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PADA: We also heard that some pilgrims' riding on a bus were attacked, going to Mayapura. Then again a woman was killed in Vrndavana in order to take over her property. Yep, post-1977 ISKCON has become a haven for criminals, and this attracts more criminals, etc. Meanwhile, the building in Mayapura is not hardly being built since they are using the money to sue us. That means, the GBC gurus are not going to spend money to increase the security over there.
A CNN news woman recently did a segment on their International news broadcast, how she was groped and fondled by a large group of men while making a news program over there. She was shocked that no one was helping her. In sum, it seems that travel safety in India is deteriorating. And it seems the GBC guru program has no apparent interest or ability to improve the safety of its pilgrims. Then again, there are those who say some of these GBC gurus are in cahoots with local India thugs, gangs and MAFIA guys over there. Anyway, a bit of caution should be used while making a pilgrimage over there. ys pd
Saturday, September 7, 2013
Video Tour Of Varshana (Radhanani's Home)
http://youtu.be/0L9HNNAYDj4
[PADA: I know, its an ISKCON production. But it has some very amazing maps and footage of the holy dham. ys pd]
[PADA: I know, its an ISKCON production. But it has some very amazing maps and footage of the holy dham. ys pd]
Meditation on Srimate Radharani (CC Madhya Lila)
Let us meditate on the Supreme Goddess - Srimati Radharani!
Reading from Caitanya Caritamrta: Madhya lila - chapter 8
Reading from Caitanya Caritamrta: Madhya lila - chapter 8
Talks Between Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and Rāmānanda Rāya
The summary of the Eighth Chapter is given by Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura in his Amṛta-pravāha-bhāṣya.
After visiting the temple of Jiyaḍa-nṛsiṁha, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu went to the banks of the river Godāvarī, to a place known as Vidyānagara. When Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya went there to take his bath, they met. After being introduced, Śrī Rāmānanda Rāya requested Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to remain in the village for some days. Honoring his request, Caitanya Mahāprabhu stayed there in the home of some Vedic brāhmaṇas. In the evening, Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya used to come to see Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Rāmānanda Rāya, who was clothed in ordinary dress, offered the Lord respectful obeisances. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu questioned him on the object and process of worship and also asked him to recite verses from Vedic literature.
After visiting the temple of Jiyaḍa-nṛsiṁha, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu went to the banks of the river Godāvarī, to a place known as Vidyānagara. When Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya went there to take his bath, they met. After being introduced, Śrī Rāmānanda Rāya requested Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to remain in the village for some days. Honoring his request, Caitanya Mahāprabhu stayed there in the home of some Vedic brāhmaṇas. In the evening, Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya used to come to see Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Rāmānanda Rāya, who was clothed in ordinary dress, offered the Lord respectful obeisances. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu questioned him on the object and process of worship and also asked him to recite verses from Vedic literature.
First of all, Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya enunciated the system of the varṇāśrama institution. He recited various verses about karmārpaṇa, stating that everything should be dedicated to the Lord. He then spoke of detached action, knowledge mixed with devotional service, and finally the spontaneous loving service of the Lord. After hearing Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya recite some verses, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu accepted the principle of pure devotional service devoid of all kinds of speculation. After this, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked Rāmānanda Rāya to explain the higher platform of devotional service. Then Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya explained unalloyed devotional service, love of Godhead, and serving the Lord in the moods of pure servitude, fraternity and parental love. Finally he spoke of serving the Lord in conjugal love. He then spoke of how conjugal love can be developed in various ways. This conjugal love attains its highest perfection in Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī's love for Kṛṣṇa.
He next described the position of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and the transcendental mellows of love of God. Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya then recited a verse of his own concerning the platform of ecstatic vision, technically called prema-vilāsa-vivarta. Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya also explained that all stages of conjugal love can be attained through the mercy of the residents of Vṛndāvana, especially by the mercy of the gopīs. All these subject matters were thus vividly described. Gradually Rāmānanda Rāya could understand the position of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and when Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu exhibited His real form, Rāmānanda Rāya fell unconscious. After some days, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked Rāmānanda Rāya to retire from government service and come to Jagannātha Purī. These descriptions of the meetings between Rāmānanda Rāya and Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu are taken from the notebook of Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī
Friday, September 6, 2013
ISKCON Mayapura Building Project Stalled
http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/recession-affects-iscon-temple-project-113090601134_1.html
[PADA: Well right, the GBC gurus are spending an alleged $15,000,000 - $20,000,000 suing Bangalore, because the GBC gurus only want their "anti-Prabhupada worship" lawyers to live in nice mansions, while they apparently want Krishna to live in a ghetto. And that is also why some of their temples have bad plumbing, holes in the roof, restaurants closed by the city for code violations, if not rats, mice, cock roaches, bed bugs and so on, because the GBC only wants to buy nice new mansions for their lawyers to sue -- us!
Why? Because then their lawyers will have a nice facility to eat chicken tikkas. Yes, it seems that when the GBC's gurus find out that the ash trays in their lawyer's Mercedes are filled up, they offer to buy a new Mercedes for their lawyer right on the spot with new ash trays.
Meanwhile, there is no money to fix the broken plumbing, and many other repairs in the temples. What kind of devotees wants lawyers to get rid of the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and these lawyers to have nice gold and marble mansions, so they can eat chicken tikkas and ride around in new Mercedes, and meanwhile Krishna's temples are in bad repair? Well the GBC does. And of course so do the GBC guru's supporters like Bhakta das, he also supports these attacks on the ritviks, and spending money on lawyers while there is no money for the temples. Gentleman Jim is correct, these people are an assembly of turkeys!
ys pd]
[PADA: Well right, the GBC gurus are spending an alleged $15,000,000 - $20,000,000 suing Bangalore, because the GBC gurus only want their "anti-Prabhupada worship" lawyers to live in nice mansions, while they apparently want Krishna to live in a ghetto. And that is also why some of their temples have bad plumbing, holes in the roof, restaurants closed by the city for code violations, if not rats, mice, cock roaches, bed bugs and so on, because the GBC only wants to buy nice new mansions for their lawyers to sue -- us!
Why? Because then their lawyers will have a nice facility to eat chicken tikkas. Yes, it seems that when the GBC's gurus find out that the ash trays in their lawyer's Mercedes are filled up, they offer to buy a new Mercedes for their lawyer right on the spot with new ash trays.
Meanwhile, there is no money to fix the broken plumbing, and many other repairs in the temples. What kind of devotees wants lawyers to get rid of the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and these lawyers to have nice gold and marble mansions, so they can eat chicken tikkas and ride around in new Mercedes, and meanwhile Krishna's temples are in bad repair? Well the GBC does. And of course so do the GBC guru's supporters like Bhakta das, he also supports these attacks on the ritviks, and spending money on lawyers while there is no money for the temples. Gentleman Jim is correct, these people are an assembly of turkeys!
ys pd]
Sulochana dasa Was Right, External Expose Is Required
Thanks, yes when Krishna Kirtan and Prahlad etc. say that we are lying, by repeating the kulis statements, they are attacking the kulis. And that is what the whole problem was all along. Yep, you got it. And that is why we had to expose these people. Correct. ys pd
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Thanks prabhu, yes the Sanat (Angelica NY) / Mukunda (UK) / Prahlad (Paul UK) / Janardan das (New Vrndavana?) program folks are openly advertising Bhakta das (William Benedict) as their new speaker, authority and de facto shiksha guru. They have Bhakta das's videos and statements on their web sites and etc.
Bhakta das has openly opposed the ritviks / Prabhupadanugas all along, and he still does. In other words, the above group is still supporting the anti-ritvik and pro-GBC guru program. Bhakta das has been a big supporter of the molester messiah's program -- and its biggest leaders like Trivrikrama swami and others (Bhakta wrote us some years ago that we all need to work with Trivrikrama swami). And the above group has now accepted Bhakta das (Radhanath swami's cheer leader) as their spokesperson, authority and de facto shiksha guru.
Meanwhile Trivrikrama swami is famous for being "voted in as guru" by the re-coronators of a known deviant guru (Bhavananda) in 1986; and this is the same program that had Sulochana assassinated and so on, ad infinitum. And now the Prahlad people want PADA to work with their "re-instating deviants as acharyas" program? Yes, this is the same program that some folks seem to think -- had Sulochana and possibly even Aindra assassinated?
Good question. Why do the above folks love this program? The above people are simply going back to their original roots, of their supporting the worship of child molesters gurus / assassinating Sulochana program. Or else, they never left it? Why are the supporting the molester messiahs program unless, they never left it? We asked that to them all along and they never reply.
And that is why they oppose PADA. We say that their Bhakta das / Gaudiya Matha / molesters and deviants gurus program is bogus, and so the above group says this is "giving their program bad publicity." Well, yes, since their program is to support Bhakta das and the cheer leaders of the worship of child molesters as messiahs project, we are giving them bad publicity. No kidding! As one PADA associate says, their going back to promote the worship of deviants as gurus is "the worst idea at the worst time" since that program has been defeated on so many levels already.
And now Bhakta das has emerged as the new spokesman and "defender in cheif" of the above group. Does Bhakta das have any credibility since he supports the GBC's gurus program? Of course, Bhakta das has also been the biggest supporter of the Gaudiya Matha's (homosexual guru lineage) bogus gurus -- as well as the GBC's bogus gurus like Radhanath swami for years together now, and he still is. Yes, that means these people never left the GBC's false guru program. While claiming to be "Prabhupadanugas" they are in fact GBC guru-anugas. Prahlad's program is now promoting Radhanath's cheer leader:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/bhakta-dass-radhanatha-swami-revival.html
Yes, as soon as this group finds a person who is cheer leading the molester messiahs project, they promote that person as their hero, leader and spokesperson, because they are still with that program. And yes, this also explains why there has been so many crimes going on in ISKCON all along, these folks are in favor of the cheer leaders of the bogus gurus and they are not "for" the Prabhupadanugas. Worse, they are now saying our opposing their molester's guru project is "causing bad publicity" -- which is what the GBC gurus said all along? They have become Tamal's parrots.
In sum, they are still promoting Bhakta das because he is their cheer leader for the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project, and he says our Prabhupadanuga idea -- "worship of Srila Prabhupada" is wrong and bogus and "not found is shastra." Which is what the GBC gurus and Tamal says.
And Prahlad / Pancali even say our opposing their support of Bhakta das and the child molester acharya project has to be stopped to "save the good name of ISKCON." No, they want to save the good name of their worship of child molesters guru program, and that is why they are joining the campaign to revive Kirtanananda's henchmen's cult.It is rather amazing that some people just cannot leave the GBC's bogus guru's cult, not matter how badly it is exposed.
Yes its a fact, now this group is promoting the severely criminal New Vrndavana regime's top commander, namely Radhanath swami, by promoting his biggest cheer leader aka Bhakta das. This means their group are even endorsing burying Kirtanananda's carcass in the holy land of Vrndavana, because that is what Radhanath did recently. And now they are crying because PADA has exposed their program of burying a dead child molester in a "samadhi"? They say because we oppose their worship of dead child molesters in a samadhi -- we are "giving ISKCON a bad name"? Yep, thats what Prahlad / Pancali are now saying. They never answer our first question, why are they promoting a spokesman for Radhanath, because there is no good answer.
The people who brought the criminal wave into ISKCON post-1977 in the first place are -- people like Bhakta das and Radhanath's New Vrndavana program, and this corrupt regime was supported by Bhakta dasa's Gaudiya Matha "guru" folks -- who also thought this was "a continuation of the guru parampara from God." Really?
In addition, Bhakta das has created his own personal major media spectacles:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/06/how-bhakta-das-william-benedict-ruined.html
Yep, selling designer drugs is a "dharma type business" and "great publicity" program for these folks. Never mind, these drugs have been linked to: nerve damage, brain damage, suicides, crimes of all types -- including murder, and sometimes women are incapacitated by these drugs and subsequently they report being raped. "Dharma business"? Well yes, for these Radhanath groupies. Yep, devotees have also been killed because of their using / dealing these drugs. And some of Bhakta's poor workers were also arrested, while he apparently fled to Thailand?
A friend who is married to a professional nurse (25 years of practice) says she told him these drugs can ALSO cause birth defects in babies. Fine business they are supporting here? Notice, they never say a word about the victims of this wonderful "dharma business" and why their new acharya Bhakta das has been the main leader involved in this "business"? Then again they never say much of anything about the mass of children that were victimized under the GBC /Radhanath regime, that they are now trying to revive by their promoting Bhakta das?
Yep, designer drugs is just another nice "honest business" that these people think is doing "great service to humanity." The USA news media ALREADY reported the Bhakta das program, which of course caused all kinds of horrible publicity for ISKCON, because his designer drugs business was "busted" by the police. Twice! And now these people are all saying we need to work with their alleged favorable media program, run by Bhakta das? Worse, Bhakta das was later on arrested in Puri, India, which was in all the newspapers there as well. All this is their idea of "good publicity" for ISKCON?
Jayatirtha also had a designer drug business, and some say his was connected to the New Vrndavana / Bhakta das drug distribution program. Some of Jayatirtha's people also went completely crazy on these drugs, for example: one of them was reported to have attempted suicide; one of them was arrested for pulling out a gun at a theater here in Berkeley, trying to kidnap the actress Justine Bateman off the stage for "a date"; and of course the person who decapitated Jayatirtha was alleged to have had taken many of these drugs. The result of all this was -- the British newspapers blared out the news headlines "Guru's head hacked off." This is their idea of good publicity? No wonder they oppose PADA, we have exposed the whole designer drug program their new shiksha guru and spokesman -- Bhakta das.
Radhanath swami is sometimes alleged (by former NV enforcers) to have helped orchestrate Sulochana being assassinated. Prahlad's program claims to love Sulochana, by helping promote the worship of the leaders of the regime that orchestrated Sulochana's assassination? Why is Prahlad promoting the worship of Kirtanananda's henchmen, whom are alleged to be involved in orchestrating the murder of Sulochana, and a host of other crimes? Incidently, the Prahlad / Bhakta das / New Vrndavana regime was one of the worst examples of havens for child molesting, Then they wonder why there is bad publicity, while they are still trying to promote / cover up for / this regime and its spokesmen?
Then again the same Prahlad group is promoting beef eaters and animal hunter speakers on their DVDs, as another set of their divine spokespersons:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/padas-apology-to-janardan-das-animal.html
Then again the Gaudiya Matha was a "kill guru and become guru program," which is also why they support that program:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/sanat-mukunda-prahlad-support-gaudiya.html
Then again, they are upset we are accused of indirectly caused the death of their hero Tamal:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-some-say-pada-caused-tamals.html
They are mad as hornets that Tamal is gone, ok because they love Tamal, why else? Meanwhile another person on this group, Krishna Kirtan das, says we are speaking lies and distortions.
Really? We are repeating what the victims have been saying. Krishna Kirtan is thus calling the victims liars, ok like some of the GBC's gurus have apparently been saying. We said all along that children are being victimized, whereas Krishna Kirtan's clan said that is all lies, bluff and distortion. And that is how his program perpetuated the victimization.
Later on, 1,000 children verified what we said, and they signed onto a molesting lawsuit saying that we were correct (only 500 were eventually allowed to stay). Are all of these ex-children spinning and distorting of the truth? Or are Krishna Kirtan types covering up for these crimes against children by saying we (and thus these victims) are making lies, spin and distortions? Or what?
Sorry, our case has been validated many, many, many times over. And is not the main reason these children felt upset with ISKCON is because of -- people like Krishna Kirtan -- who still tries to invalidate their victimization? How did you guess, the GBC said this molesting complaint was all about money and so does Krishna Kirtan. No wonder these children are upset, these people worship money and not people? Or what?
Saying that our protest of victimization is a lie is how people like Krishna Kirtan caused the mass molesting regime to stay in power in the first place, they discredited us, and that saved the molester's guru program. And hence, thousands of victims were created because of the program of Krishna Kirtan's folks calling us liars (and thereby repressing the complaints against the regime).
In sum, this group caused the molesting and countless other crimes by suppressing us, and they still are suppressing us because, they apparently still think they were right to suppress our complaints about these issues. That means, they are to blame for ISKCON being a criminal program, because they suppressed the people who tried to address these crimes. And now they are trying to bring back the criminal regime by advocating for Bhakta das and his New Vrndavana messiah -- Radhanath? Aren't these the people who gave ISKCON a bad name?
And the good news is?
This proves 100 percent that we were right to go to the outside media and authorities, these Bhakta cult people would never have listened to us all along, and they never will. We have had to expose them publicly, there was / is no other alternative. Thanks for validating what we did all along, we had to expose you people, no other process would have worked. You have now confirmed that we were right to expose you folks because, you have no interest in cleaning up this mess, rather you want to revive the leaders of this mess like Radhanath swami.
And our process has worked, and that is why the police, media and courts always asked PADA what happened, and they never asked none of these folks for peanuts. And many devotees also rely on us for the correct version as well nowadays, because ours is the correct version of the history of all this.
Suppressing us has helped the crimes the whole time. And that means Bhakta das has to answer for causing these crimes to take place by his suppressing those who addressed these crimes, and Bhakta's new band of disciples -- Sanat (Angelica NY) Mukunda (UK) Prahlad (Paul UK) Pancali (NZ) Srila Prabhupada siddhanta (Nickalaus Evans, Christchurch NZ) Janardan das (New Vrndavana?) will also have to answer why they are STILL supporting and covering up for the criminals posing as messiahs project.
Yep, its great news when people validate what we said all along, we said -- we are going to have to go public, and the people Sulochana said are "Tamal's brain dead cult zombies" (the above group) cannot be reasoned with. That is what Sulochana said, we are going to have to go public, and he was right. We are glad all of you in this group have confirmed that. ys pd
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Thanks prabhu, yes the Sanat (Angelica NY) / Mukunda (UK) / Prahlad (Paul UK) / Janardan das (New Vrndavana?) program folks are openly advertising Bhakta das (William Benedict) as their new speaker, authority and de facto shiksha guru. They have Bhakta das's videos and statements on their web sites and etc.
Bhakta das has openly opposed the ritviks / Prabhupadanugas all along, and he still does. In other words, the above group is still supporting the anti-ritvik and pro-GBC guru program. Bhakta das has been a big supporter of the molester messiah's program -- and its biggest leaders like Trivrikrama swami and others (Bhakta wrote us some years ago that we all need to work with Trivrikrama swami). And the above group has now accepted Bhakta das (Radhanath swami's cheer leader) as their spokesperson, authority and de facto shiksha guru.
Meanwhile Trivrikrama swami is famous for being "voted in as guru" by the re-coronators of a known deviant guru (Bhavananda) in 1986; and this is the same program that had Sulochana assassinated and so on, ad infinitum. And now the Prahlad people want PADA to work with their "re-instating deviants as acharyas" program? Yes, this is the same program that some folks seem to think -- had Sulochana and possibly even Aindra assassinated?
Good question. Why do the above folks love this program? The above people are simply going back to their original roots, of their supporting the worship of child molesters gurus / assassinating Sulochana program. Or else, they never left it? Why are the supporting the molester messiahs program unless, they never left it? We asked that to them all along and they never reply.
And that is why they oppose PADA. We say that their Bhakta das / Gaudiya Matha / molesters and deviants gurus program is bogus, and so the above group says this is "giving their program bad publicity." Well, yes, since their program is to support Bhakta das and the cheer leaders of the worship of child molesters as messiahs project, we are giving them bad publicity. No kidding! As one PADA associate says, their going back to promote the worship of deviants as gurus is "the worst idea at the worst time" since that program has been defeated on so many levels already.
And now Bhakta das has emerged as the new spokesman and "defender in cheif" of the above group. Does Bhakta das have any credibility since he supports the GBC's gurus program? Of course, Bhakta das has also been the biggest supporter of the Gaudiya Matha's (homosexual guru lineage) bogus gurus -- as well as the GBC's bogus gurus like Radhanath swami for years together now, and he still is. Yes, that means these people never left the GBC's false guru program. While claiming to be "Prabhupadanugas" they are in fact GBC guru-anugas. Prahlad's program is now promoting Radhanath's cheer leader:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/bhakta-dass-radhanatha-swami-revival.html
Yes, as soon as this group finds a person who is cheer leading the molester messiahs project, they promote that person as their hero, leader and spokesperson, because they are still with that program. And yes, this also explains why there has been so many crimes going on in ISKCON all along, these folks are in favor of the cheer leaders of the bogus gurus and they are not "for" the Prabhupadanugas. Worse, they are now saying our opposing their molester's guru project is "causing bad publicity" -- which is what the GBC gurus said all along? They have become Tamal's parrots.
In sum, they are still promoting Bhakta das because he is their cheer leader for the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project, and he says our Prabhupadanuga idea -- "worship of Srila Prabhupada" is wrong and bogus and "not found is shastra." Which is what the GBC gurus and Tamal says.
And Prahlad / Pancali even say our opposing their support of Bhakta das and the child molester acharya project has to be stopped to "save the good name of ISKCON." No, they want to save the good name of their worship of child molesters guru program, and that is why they are joining the campaign to revive Kirtanananda's henchmen's cult.It is rather amazing that some people just cannot leave the GBC's bogus guru's cult, not matter how badly it is exposed.
Yes its a fact, now this group is promoting the severely criminal New Vrndavana regime's top commander, namely Radhanath swami, by promoting his biggest cheer leader aka Bhakta das. This means their group are even endorsing burying Kirtanananda's carcass in the holy land of Vrndavana, because that is what Radhanath did recently. And now they are crying because PADA has exposed their program of burying a dead child molester in a "samadhi"? They say because we oppose their worship of dead child molesters in a samadhi -- we are "giving ISKCON a bad name"? Yep, thats what Prahlad / Pancali are now saying. They never answer our first question, why are they promoting a spokesman for Radhanath, because there is no good answer.
The people who brought the criminal wave into ISKCON post-1977 in the first place are -- people like Bhakta das and Radhanath's New Vrndavana program, and this corrupt regime was supported by Bhakta dasa's Gaudiya Matha "guru" folks -- who also thought this was "a continuation of the guru parampara from God." Really?
In addition, Bhakta das has created his own personal major media spectacles:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/06/how-bhakta-das-william-benedict-ruined.html
Yep, selling designer drugs is a "dharma type business" and "great publicity" program for these folks. Never mind, these drugs have been linked to: nerve damage, brain damage, suicides, crimes of all types -- including murder, and sometimes women are incapacitated by these drugs and subsequently they report being raped. "Dharma business"? Well yes, for these Radhanath groupies. Yep, devotees have also been killed because of their using / dealing these drugs. And some of Bhakta's poor workers were also arrested, while he apparently fled to Thailand?
A friend who is married to a professional nurse (25 years of practice) says she told him these drugs can ALSO cause birth defects in babies. Fine business they are supporting here? Notice, they never say a word about the victims of this wonderful "dharma business" and why their new acharya Bhakta das has been the main leader involved in this "business"? Then again they never say much of anything about the mass of children that were victimized under the GBC /Radhanath regime, that they are now trying to revive by their promoting Bhakta das?
Yep, designer drugs is just another nice "honest business" that these people think is doing "great service to humanity." The USA news media ALREADY reported the Bhakta das program, which of course caused all kinds of horrible publicity for ISKCON, because his designer drugs business was "busted" by the police. Twice! And now these people are all saying we need to work with their alleged favorable media program, run by Bhakta das? Worse, Bhakta das was later on arrested in Puri, India, which was in all the newspapers there as well. All this is their idea of "good publicity" for ISKCON?
Jayatirtha also had a designer drug business, and some say his was connected to the New Vrndavana / Bhakta das drug distribution program. Some of Jayatirtha's people also went completely crazy on these drugs, for example: one of them was reported to have attempted suicide; one of them was arrested for pulling out a gun at a theater here in Berkeley, trying to kidnap the actress Justine Bateman off the stage for "a date"; and of course the person who decapitated Jayatirtha was alleged to have had taken many of these drugs. The result of all this was -- the British newspapers blared out the news headlines "Guru's head hacked off." This is their idea of good publicity? No wonder they oppose PADA, we have exposed the whole designer drug program their new shiksha guru and spokesman -- Bhakta das.
Radhanath swami is sometimes alleged (by former NV enforcers) to have helped orchestrate Sulochana being assassinated. Prahlad's program claims to love Sulochana, by helping promote the worship of the leaders of the regime that orchestrated Sulochana's assassination? Why is Prahlad promoting the worship of Kirtanananda's henchmen, whom are alleged to be involved in orchestrating the murder of Sulochana, and a host of other crimes? Incidently, the Prahlad / Bhakta das / New Vrndavana regime was one of the worst examples of havens for child molesting, Then they wonder why there is bad publicity, while they are still trying to promote / cover up for / this regime and its spokesmen?
Then again the same Prahlad group is promoting beef eaters and animal hunter speakers on their DVDs, as another set of their divine spokespersons:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/padas-apology-to-janardan-das-animal.html
Then again the Gaudiya Matha was a "kill guru and become guru program," which is also why they support that program:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/sanat-mukunda-prahlad-support-gaudiya.html
Then again, they are upset we are accused of indirectly caused the death of their hero Tamal:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-some-say-pada-caused-tamals.html
They are mad as hornets that Tamal is gone, ok because they love Tamal, why else? Meanwhile another person on this group, Krishna Kirtan das, says we are speaking lies and distortions.
Really? We are repeating what the victims have been saying. Krishna Kirtan is thus calling the victims liars, ok like some of the GBC's gurus have apparently been saying. We said all along that children are being victimized, whereas Krishna Kirtan's clan said that is all lies, bluff and distortion. And that is how his program perpetuated the victimization.
Later on, 1,000 children verified what we said, and they signed onto a molesting lawsuit saying that we were correct (only 500 were eventually allowed to stay). Are all of these ex-children spinning and distorting of the truth? Or are Krishna Kirtan types covering up for these crimes against children by saying we (and thus these victims) are making lies, spin and distortions? Or what?
Sorry, our case has been validated many, many, many times over. And is not the main reason these children felt upset with ISKCON is because of -- people like Krishna Kirtan -- who still tries to invalidate their victimization? How did you guess, the GBC said this molesting complaint was all about money and so does Krishna Kirtan. No wonder these children are upset, these people worship money and not people? Or what?
Saying that our protest of victimization is a lie is how people like Krishna Kirtan caused the mass molesting regime to stay in power in the first place, they discredited us, and that saved the molester's guru program. And hence, thousands of victims were created because of the program of Krishna Kirtan's folks calling us liars (and thereby repressing the complaints against the regime).
In sum, this group caused the molesting and countless other crimes by suppressing us, and they still are suppressing us because, they apparently still think they were right to suppress our complaints about these issues. That means, they are to blame for ISKCON being a criminal program, because they suppressed the people who tried to address these crimes. And now they are trying to bring back the criminal regime by advocating for Bhakta das and his New Vrndavana messiah -- Radhanath? Aren't these the people who gave ISKCON a bad name?
And the good news is?
This proves 100 percent that we were right to go to the outside media and authorities, these Bhakta cult people would never have listened to us all along, and they never will. We have had to expose them publicly, there was / is no other alternative. Thanks for validating what we did all along, we had to expose you people, no other process would have worked. You have now confirmed that we were right to expose you folks because, you have no interest in cleaning up this mess, rather you want to revive the leaders of this mess like Radhanath swami.
And our process has worked, and that is why the police, media and courts always asked PADA what happened, and they never asked none of these folks for peanuts. And many devotees also rely on us for the correct version as well nowadays, because ours is the correct version of the history of all this.
Suppressing us has helped the crimes the whole time. And that means Bhakta das has to answer for causing these crimes to take place by his suppressing those who addressed these crimes, and Bhakta's new band of disciples -- Sanat (Angelica NY) Mukunda (UK) Prahlad (Paul UK) Pancali (NZ) Srila Prabhupada siddhanta (Nickalaus Evans, Christchurch NZ) Janardan das (New Vrndavana?) will also have to answer why they are STILL supporting and covering up for the criminals posing as messiahs project.
Yep, its great news when people validate what we said all along, we said -- we are going to have to go public, and the people Sulochana said are "Tamal's brain dead cult zombies" (the above group) cannot be reasoned with. That is what Sulochana said, we are going to have to go public, and he was right. We are glad all of you in this group have confirmed that. ys pd
Initiations in Vancouver
http://youtu.be/VCTligF9_eE
The Prabhupadanugas have a nice program in Vancouver BC; there are two programs in Seattle (Dhamaghosha and Kanhaiya das); and we have a nice center here in the San Francisco Bay area (Sunnyvale temple). There are a number of independent Prabhupadanugas here in the Bay area as well. We also have a small home program in Los Angeles, and a number of independent Prabhupadanugas living there as well. There are at least a few Prabhupadanugas living in the Laguna Beach / San Diego area. Its a start. ys pd
The Prabhupadanugas have a nice program in Vancouver BC; there are two programs in Seattle (Dhamaghosha and Kanhaiya das); and we have a nice center here in the San Francisco Bay area (Sunnyvale temple). There are a number of independent Prabhupadanugas here in the Bay area as well. We also have a small home program in Los Angeles, and a number of independent Prabhupadanugas living there as well. There are at least a few Prabhupadanugas living in the Laguna Beach / San Diego area. Its a start. ys pd
Ghost busting cure -- to have illicit sex with the guru?
http://www.samachar.com/Asaram-Bapu-Shivas-phone-and-the-secrets-it-holds-njgnLRffggb.html?source=recommended_news
[PADA: The GBC gurus have also used this tantric "removing ghosts" trick when they sent Chitesvara (Pagal Baba Ashram) to "ghost bust" the devotees, temples and even "ghost bust" the GBC's gurus. Asaram Bapu is being accused of using some sort of (alleged) tantric sex as a means of "removing evil spirits" from female victims. It would seem that having illicit sex with some old creepy guy would -- give a person an evil spell, not remove it? And Jayapataka still thinks we are going to surrender to his ghostly haunted guru parampara, which he himself admits has been -- full of ghosts? ys pd]
[PADA: The GBC gurus have also used this tantric "removing ghosts" trick when they sent Chitesvara (Pagal Baba Ashram) to "ghost bust" the devotees, temples and even "ghost bust" the GBC's gurus. Asaram Bapu is being accused of using some sort of (alleged) tantric sex as a means of "removing evil spirits" from female victims. It would seem that having illicit sex with some old creepy guy would -- give a person an evil spell, not remove it? And Jayapataka still thinks we are going to surrender to his ghostly haunted guru parampara, which he himself admits has been -- full of ghosts? ys pd]
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