Official notice:
Dear Devotees Hare Krishna
Former Temple President of Bhaktivedanta Manor, His Grace Srutidharma Prabhu passed away this evening. Devotees had gathered for kirtan, the temple deities Sri Sri Gaura Nitai, Sri Ram Sila, and Giri Govardhan had come to pay him a blessed visit. He received a beautiful garland brought by the head pujari and shortly thereafter he breathed his last. All glories to Srutidharma Prabhu. He spent his life selflessly serving at the holy dhama of Bhaktivedanta Manor, from which he has now departed.
A formal notice will follow with timings of gatherings and ceremonies. Your servant
Gauri das
Managing Director
Bhaktivedanta Manor
[PADA: This Srutidharma fellow was another big supporter of the GBC's debauchee acharya's program. It is amazing that people come and offer him a kirtan, all glories to the promoters of debauchees posing as God's successors! There seems to be more than a few contradictions in the teachings these folks are giving and statements from Srila Prabhupada. He was originally initiated by Jayatirtha, then Bhagavan -- and yet he did not understand that the GBC's gurus are bogus and so is their support network?]
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IRM: Bhaktivedanta Manor, the headquarters of ISKCON in the UK, runs a one-day course primarily for newcomers to Krishna consciousness called “The Spiritual Master and Disciple”. The course is presented by three of the Manor’s senior management team, namely:
Kripamoya Das, the head of congregational development in the UK;
Srutidharma Das, the Manor’s Vice-President; and
Sitarama Das, the head of Manor Training and Education and the Principal of the Manor’s “College of Vedic Studies”.
According to the Manor’s newsletter, “The course enables participants to explore the procedure for formally accepting a spiritual master (initiation) within ISKCON.” The course facilitators indeed have several years’ experience between them of Gurus in ISKCON:
Kripamoya Das is a direct disciple of Srila Prabhupada;
Sitarama Das is a disciple of Sivarama Swami;
while Manor Vice-President Srutidharma Das has had the ‘benefit’ of being initiated by no less than three ISKCON Gurus: Jayatirtha, who left ISKCON to start his own LSD drug cult, and had his head hacked off by one of his followers in a drug-induced attack; Bhagavan, who left ISKCON after being caught engaging in illicit activity, was later imprisoned and is now hanging out on the fringe of the movement; and the aforementioned Sivarama Swami, whom the GBC had at one time suspended from initiating.
Moving on to the contents of the course itself, we find a number of rather disturbing contradictions and anomalies. We highlight some of these herewith.
Course notes say: A “qualification and characteristic of the spiritual master” is that he is a “pure devotee”.
[PADA: Amazing some folks still think that Jayatirtha, Bhagavan, and others at one time were "pure devotees."]
BUT ISKCON’s GBC says: “When the GBC allows a devotee to take up the service of initiating, it does not thereby endorse him as an uttama adhikari or 'pure devotee' or certify his having achieved any specific state of realization.” (GBC Resolution No. 409, 2004)
[PADA: He is a guru, and that means he is a pure devotee, but he may not have achieved any specific level of realization?]
Course Guru Sivarama Swami says: “In this regards Srila Prabhupada clearly states that a devotee other than an uttama adhikari can initiate.” (Sivarama Swami, Continuing the Parampara, p. 29)
[PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada says the parampara contains only uttama adhikaris.]
Course notes say: “The time has gone by when at the age of five one would be sent to a gurukula and live under the care of a guru and have the opportunity to render him personal service and hear from him directly. In this age of Kali, this opportunity is a very rare one. Indeed, most spiritual masters in ISKCON travel and preach all over the world and you may be lucky to spend little time in their physical presence” […]
[PADA: Jayapataka recently said he does not have time to answer email questions but this is not a problem since the devotees will be able to consult the supersoul. OK they are not really giving a lot of their followers much or any guidance, and we have seen some pot smoking and so forth among disciples whose guru visits maybe once a year to initiate a few people and he only stays for a few hours. This "living guidance" is largely a bluff.]
A “realistic expectation of a spiritual master” is that the disciple should be “prepared to be ‘blanked’”
A “realistic expectation of a spiritual master” is that the disciple should be “prepared to be ‘blanked’”
BUT ISKCON Guru says: “The student, therefore, surrenders to the spiritual master as a disciple and serves him, and the master responds by answering the disciple’s questions, enlightening him with transcendental knowledge.”
(Jayadvaita Swami, ‘From Master to Disciple’, BTG #29-04, 1995)
Course notes say: “There is nothing more devastating for the disciple when the spiritual master himself becomes weak in spiritual practise or falls away completely. This has happened several times in ISKCON’s short history since 1977.”
BUT Srila Prabhupada says:
“A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord.”
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 4.42, purport)
“There is no possibility that a first class devotee will fall down.”
(C.c. Madhya lila, 22.71)
Course notes say: “Many disciples do not follow their former guru’s erroneous path however”
BUT Srila Prabhupada says a bona fide Guru can never follow an erroneous path to begin with, for he is a completely liberated soul:
“In calculating where to find salvation we have to follow the liberated souls. The difference between the conditioned soul and liberated soul is that a conditioned soul is imperfect in four ways: A conditioned soul is sure to commit mistakes, is in illusion, has the tendency to cheat others, and has imperfect senses.”
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, March 7th, 1966)
Thus in each case, we can see that the guidance on initiation given by the senior management at Bhaktivedanta Manor is contradicted either by the GBC, or by the Guru of two of the course leaders, or by a fellow Guru of this Guru, or by Srila Prabhupada, the Guru of the third course leader and the real Guru of ISKCON.
As a final point illustrating the confused thinking caused by promoting the false ISKCON Guru system, the course notes state:
“Prior to initiation, it is advised that you regard Srila Prabhupada as your guru”.
Most people who come into contact with ISKCON for the first time will have done so after reading one of Srila Prabhupada’s books. It will be Srila Prabhupada who inspires them to renounce sinful activity and to seriously take up spiritual life, particularly the regular chanting of Hare Krishna.
In this way, they will automatically become initiated by Srila Prabhupada, as Srila Prabhupada himself makes clear:
“The chanting of Hare Krsna is our main business, that is real initiation. And as you are all following my instruction, in that matter, the initiator is already there.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tamal Krsna, 19/8/68)
Yet the course then goes on to advise that Srila Prabhupada is no longer the initiator and that one of ISKCON’s 80 voted-in substitutes should be accepted as a replacement initiating Guru, despite the fact that previous substitutes have, according to the course notes, fallen down “several times in ISKCON’s short history since 1977”.
This, of course, makes no sense. Since Srila Prabhupada has said that his position as the initiator has already been established (“the initiator is already there”), why would anyone want to accept an artificial replacement Guru manufactured from a system that has been admitted to have created so many casualties?! Ironically, course leader Kripamoya Das has privately acknowledged that the IRM position on this issue – that Kripamoya’s own Guru Srila Prabhupada is the real initiating spiritual master – is “justified”.
“They can find sufficient quotes to justify their position, and of course so can we. What to do? Ultimately it comes down to your choice.”
(Letter from Kripamoya Das, 23/6/2005, Head of Congregational Preaching, ISKCON UK)
But you won’t find the IRM allowed to “justify” Kripamoya’s Guru on the property of Bhaktivedanta Manor, from which they have been banned by the management from entering.
(Jayadvaita Swami, ‘From Master to Disciple’, BTG #29-04, 1995)
Course notes say: “There is nothing more devastating for the disciple when the spiritual master himself becomes weak in spiritual practise or falls away completely. This has happened several times in ISKCON’s short history since 1977.”
BUT Srila Prabhupada says:
“A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord.”
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 4.42, purport)
“There is no possibility that a first class devotee will fall down.”
(C.c. Madhya lila, 22.71)
Course notes say: “Many disciples do not follow their former guru’s erroneous path however”
BUT Srila Prabhupada says a bona fide Guru can never follow an erroneous path to begin with, for he is a completely liberated soul:
“In calculating where to find salvation we have to follow the liberated souls. The difference between the conditioned soul and liberated soul is that a conditioned soul is imperfect in four ways: A conditioned soul is sure to commit mistakes, is in illusion, has the tendency to cheat others, and has imperfect senses.”
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, March 7th, 1966)
Thus in each case, we can see that the guidance on initiation given by the senior management at Bhaktivedanta Manor is contradicted either by the GBC, or by the Guru of two of the course leaders, or by a fellow Guru of this Guru, or by Srila Prabhupada, the Guru of the third course leader and the real Guru of ISKCON.
As a final point illustrating the confused thinking caused by promoting the false ISKCON Guru system, the course notes state:
“Prior to initiation, it is advised that you regard Srila Prabhupada as your guru”.
Most people who come into contact with ISKCON for the first time will have done so after reading one of Srila Prabhupada’s books. It will be Srila Prabhupada who inspires them to renounce sinful activity and to seriously take up spiritual life, particularly the regular chanting of Hare Krishna.
In this way, they will automatically become initiated by Srila Prabhupada, as Srila Prabhupada himself makes clear:
“The chanting of Hare Krsna is our main business, that is real initiation. And as you are all following my instruction, in that matter, the initiator is already there.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tamal Krsna, 19/8/68)
Yet the course then goes on to advise that Srila Prabhupada is no longer the initiator and that one of ISKCON’s 80 voted-in substitutes should be accepted as a replacement initiating Guru, despite the fact that previous substitutes have, according to the course notes, fallen down “several times in ISKCON’s short history since 1977”.
This, of course, makes no sense. Since Srila Prabhupada has said that his position as the initiator has already been established (“the initiator is already there”), why would anyone want to accept an artificial replacement Guru manufactured from a system that has been admitted to have created so many casualties?! Ironically, course leader Kripamoya Das has privately acknowledged that the IRM position on this issue – that Kripamoya’s own Guru Srila Prabhupada is the real initiating spiritual master – is “justified”.
“They can find sufficient quotes to justify their position, and of course so can we. What to do? Ultimately it comes down to your choice.”
(Letter from Kripamoya Das, 23/6/2005, Head of Congregational Preaching, ISKCON UK)
But you won’t find the IRM allowed to “justify” Kripamoya’s Guru on the property of Bhaktivedanta Manor, from which they have been banned by the management from entering.
[PADA: Its too bad these guys including Jayapataka get very sick and they know they are departing, but they still won't admit they have been wrong to promote a debauchee acharya's parampara, even to the point of death. No problem, they will have to explain to Yamaraja what exactly is a debauchee successor to Krishna. They will have no option other than to answer to Yamaraja after years of avoiding this question from us.
At the same time, even my nurse friend says its very odd that so many "vegetarian devotees" are getting all these fatal ailments such as stage four cancers etc. even before they reach a very ripe old age. "Something is wrong." Yep, it is! Anyway, we are not wishing him unwell. However that being said, we do believe that shastra is correct, false gurus go to the lowest regions and so do their supporters. These are the laws of God -- and no one can surpass them.
ys pd] angel108b@yahoo.com
At the same time, even my nurse friend says its very odd that so many "vegetarian devotees" are getting all these fatal ailments such as stage four cancers etc. even before they reach a very ripe old age. "Something is wrong." Yep, it is! Anyway, we are not wishing him unwell. However that being said, we do believe that shastra is correct, false gurus go to the lowest regions and so do their supporters. These are the laws of God -- and no one can surpass them.
ys pd] angel108b@yahoo.com
Agreed LD. This is amazing: “Prior to initiation, it is advised that you regard Srila Prabhupada as your guru”. And then, after you worship a pure devotee, you'll have to worship our illicit sex guru parampara. It is amazing that they admit -- they want you to substitute worship of a pure devotee with the worship of their debauchees acharyas. And no one notices this could be a problem? First we want you to eat samosas and lassis, then, you'll have to eat broken glass and drink the ship's bilge water. Hee hee. ys pd
ReplyDeleteYes, "Bravely fought against cancer" and also bravely fought anyone who wanted to worship the pure devotee and not debauchees as their acharya. Yes, brave fighter, but for the wrong side. ys pd
ReplyDeleteVaidyanath Dasa: When such young devotees are getting very sick, terminally ill, there is something terribly wrong with their performance of devotional service. Of course, folks like Radhanatha cannot see that. Prabhupada says a devotee who strictly follows and is "engaged in spiritual advancement looks very healthy and lustrous". Without all these properties which were donated by sincere friends of Krishna because of Prabhupada's influence — none of these men would be there.
ReplyDeleteEspecially Gauri, he would have run off long ago. This notion of banning devotees and calling for police was condemned by Prabhupada. "Another request I have to you is that there have now been two instances of when somebody does not agree you try to get them out by calling the police. This is never to be done. This is the mistaken policy of Shayamasundar, but do not follow this principle. With great difficulty, we get a man. We have to reform them. Our business is to become sympathetic to fallen souls. So in future do not do it all. Everything should be done amicably."
[PADA: Yes, Srutidharma was one of the masterminds of the Bhaktivedanta Manor's "confidentiality agreement," we could not legally point out any defects, or we would be sued. And he was good pals with Radhanath, Bhakti Caru and other GBC gurus. Many, many devotees either left, were exiled or were banned under his watch. And yes, there is a big question of who gets all the salaries there since its a big part of their official budget.
And worse, it seems these gurus and their supporters are constantly getting sick, falling down and dying prematurely, which is a sign "there is something terribly wrong with their devotional service." Agreed. Radhanath just wrote a glorification of Srutidharma, so he was a loyal soldier to the pedophile and porno swami samadhi project's leaders. ys pd]