Radhanath is -- a saint?
HANUMAN CROATIA: Well, if you select a guru, the point is to have an honest guru-disciple relationship.
[PADA: The question Hanuman Croatia is answering is about taking initiation to do deity worship in ISKCON. OK he does not answer properly -- that only a GBC approved guru is allowed to give initiation for people inside ISKCON, and they do not accept initiations from "any God brother."
That is why we recommend people: do not take initiation from anyone else, and simply accept that Srila Prabhupada is their diksha link to Krishna. However, if there is an emergency, and one is stuck inside a GBC temple, then take initiation formally from one of them -- but accept in your heart that Srila Prabhupada is your acharya -- just like some people served Kamsa but they knew Krishna is the actual person to serve.]
If you have a hidden website where you write articles without the knowledge of your guru, that relationship is not sincere from the very beginning. That is something to keep in mind.
[PADA: Various people write PADA while living inside of ISKCON, and we do not challenge their sincere purpose because they have doubts about their GBC gurus.]
I can’t recommend any official ISKCON gurus since the current system of licensing gurus by the GBC is flawed. Any guru licensed by the GBC is not a guru, because he must promise to be quiet about deviations. Real guru will never agree that somebody else dictates to him what part of the truth is he allowed to say, and what part of truth he must hide. Real guru will never sign a gag order preventing him to speak the truth. As a natural consequence of that, all disciples of licensed gurus must also be quiet.
So, at this moment, it would be best to accept some disciple of Srila Prabhupada as a guru. Someone who never became a dog of the corrupt GBC body. Someone who follows Srila Prabhupada strictly understands philosophy but at the same time didn’t sign GBC gag order.
Kailasa Candra dasa.
[PADA: Kailash has no temple program to train even one person. And thus he trains no one in deity worship and the other aspects of the practical process of serving Krishna that Srila Prabhupada wanted us to train others to do. Kailash never has had any temple training program, nor will he ever have any. Ever!
The guru is the person who trains one how to serve Krishna, and Kailash boycotts ISKCON's temple programs, and he boycotts our programs, and he refuses to make his own temple training process. Worse, Kailash Chandra's pals like Rocana are doing the same thing, living alone and aloof in isolation, not training even one solitary single soul in anything.
Rocana boycotts the GBC's temple, and boycotts our Prabhupadanuga programs in Vancouver. So these folks have no practical program to offer anyone to be trained in the actual process, never mind other aspects like chanting kirtana etc.
So the Hanuman process also does not recommend any program where people can get trained in the system, or at least just see some deity worship being done so they can learn the process etc. Kailash also mistreated Jadurani severely when they were married as I eye-witnessed, and so she ran off to be with the Gaudiya Matha thanks to Kailash treating her like an imperious fool. And that is why Sulochana said some of these imperious misogynists are covert homosexuals who are envious of women. This is the path we need to follow, as our gurus?]
Bhakta dasa (William Benedict).
Saint Radhanath with Saint Dhanurdara swami
[PADA: Really cannot figure out the obsession some folks have with Bhakta das. His designer drugs business was raided by the FBI. And so he went on the run from the police to Puri India, where he was then arrested for some sort of alleged sex crime. Sulochana also said previously that Bhakta das had been working with Kirtanananda's New Vrndavana people to sell these designer drug elements. And my friend who is a nurse says these designer drugs are VERY DANGEROUS and can make people do crazy things (including murder), can give people permanent damage for example to their nervous system, and can cause spontaneous abortions. OK this is not really a good business for us to hold up as a model business for devotional service to God?
Did I forget to mention Bhakta das was telling everyone they had to go and surrender to BV Puri of the Gaudiya Matha, and then they invited Radhanath over to do a program at their Matha. And Bhakta das says Radhanath is "a saint." So we need to accept the people who think Radhanath is a saint if we want to go back to Krishna? Meanwhile Hanuman Croatia says Radhanath has been implicated in the crimes going on at New Vrndavana. How is this saintly?
Same problem we had with Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das (Paul Coats UK) and the Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur folks. As soon as they find some guy like Bhakta das who promotes Radhanath (i.e. burying pedophiles in samadhi in the dham), they fall off their chairs and start licking Bhakta das's toes thinking they have found the next servant of Jesus. And they are sending me links to listen to Bhakta das, so I will join their pedophile samadhi in heaven process. And this is a guy Hanuman thinks is "a guru"?
Did I forget to mention Radhanath is evidently pals with child beater Dhanurdara swami? Is this the real reason why Hanuman and his HKC Jaipur folks associates want us to surrender to these people?]
Dhanesvara dasa.
[PADA: Dhanesvara, a nice guy but for most of the time was considered as an ISKCON leader. He has only recently made a big break with the GBC guys but mainly on the poison issue. OK he has been compromised with the GBC guys for a long time. He also says that conditioned souls can absorb sins and be diksha gurus. Nope!]
Garuda das (who already initiated disciple without the GBC permission).
[PADA: Nice guy, but also wrote his own translation of the Gita. Not what we should be doing is it? He also thinks he can absorb sins like Jesus. Nope, as he will find out eventually, and so will his unfortunate disciples.]
Krishna Dharma das (who already wrote an article about flawed GBC system).
[PADA: And yet Krishna Dharma is agreeing with the ritvik principle:
"We compare the institution of ISKCON to a corporate structure, then we must recognize that Srila Prabhupada is the proprietor of ISKCON, and the other leaders of this institution are the managers. The managers manage, and although they get their remunerations and incentives for that, the profit belongs to the proprietor. In ISKCON, it is important that we clearly recognize the fact that everything in ISKCON, including even all the devotees, belongs to Srila Prabhupada, then only this mistake that is stifling the growth of our institution will be rectified and Krsna Consciousness movement will start to spread once again, all over the world, in leaps and bounds."
[PADA: Correct, the GBC is a managerial body only. That means they are NOT GURUS, just like the Church has Church elders acting as managers and priests. Then the managers cooperate to promote their guru Lord Jesus. However no one in the Church ever thinks the Church managers and clergy are equals to Jesus and they too can absorb sins. They know that the managers are just that, conditioned souls acting as agents and representatives (ritviks).
In sum! "The disciples belong to Srila Prabhupada" -- and not the managers. OK what we said all along. Hanuman says he does not agree with the ritviks, then he promotes a person who posts writings that not only agree with the ritviks, they re-state what the ritviks have said the whole time since 1978? He is arguing with his own shadow? If the disciples belong to Srila Prabhupada, then he is their guru. So we need to get rid of the ritviks, by promoting people who are promoting their idea? This is like the puppy who is chasing his own tail in a circle.]
Jayamadhava das (from Russia).
[PADA: Jayamadhava das is another person who told me that someone (else) will be the guru in ISKCON, because we need living gurus. OK he never understood that managers are not gurus apparently? Worse, his idea is killing his God brothers because they are taking sins and it is self-evidently taking them down.]
I would even recommend Henry Doktorski, but he is drinking whiskey. These are some of the candidates, some of them would probably not even agree to initiate, but I am sure there are many more. If you really want a guru, select some cool revolutionary, not a compromised Gestapo bureaucrat. But taking initiation from a guru who is not licensed by the GBC, you would send a strong message that their Gestapo system is not here to stay.
ys Hanuman das
[PADA: OK so we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada as the guru, because we need to worship these assorted folks as the guru instead? Either Hanuman is not doing his homework, or he knows very well he is promoting deviants as gurus, either way its not looking good. ys pd]
In sum! "The disciples belong to Srila Prabhupada" -- and not the managers. OK what we said all along. Hanuman says he does not agree with the ritviks, then he promotes a person who posts writings that not only agree with the ritviks, they re-state what the ritviks have said the whole time since 1978? He is arguing with his own shadow? If the disciples belong to Srila Prabhupada, then he is their guru. So we need to get rid of the ritviks, by promoting people who are promoting their idea? This is like the puppy who is chasing his own tail in a circle.]
Jayamadhava das (from Russia).
[PADA: Jayamadhava das is another person who told me that someone (else) will be the guru in ISKCON, because we need living gurus. OK he never understood that managers are not gurus apparently? Worse, his idea is killing his God brothers because they are taking sins and it is self-evidently taking them down.]
I would even recommend Henry Doktorski, but he is drinking whiskey. These are some of the candidates, some of them would probably not even agree to initiate, but I am sure there are many more. If you really want a guru, select some cool revolutionary, not a compromised Gestapo bureaucrat. But taking initiation from a guru who is not licensed by the GBC, you would send a strong message that their Gestapo system is not here to stay.
ys Hanuman das
[PADA: OK so we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada as the guru, because we need to worship these assorted folks as the guru instead? Either Hanuman is not doing his homework, or he knows very well he is promoting deviants as gurus, either way its not looking good. ys pd]
Dear PADA. Hanuman hates it when someone is commenting on his website articles. Try it yourself, as soon you post something reasonable, quotes from Prabhupada, he puts you on the list of having your comment "pending". Basically his presentation is like a cabaret...."look, this guru has a huge swimming pool at Goverdhan Eco Village, he must be in maya. Besides, look at these girls who practice yoga at this retreat, how they are dressed, isn't this completely off from the path of celibacy." And so on and so forth.
ReplyDeleteThis might explain why so many young men are lining up for initiation. Now they are having the problem that only vagabond class of men are applying and all the girls cannot be married to such penniless bums. So behind the scene there is total chaos, especially with the children of such couples. Joint mess.
[PADA: Yes, Hanuman says anyone who promotes Radhanath is a rascal, so he promotes Bhakta das who says Radhanath is a saint. He is still with the GBC and / or their cheer leaders and that is why he opposes us. And that is also why HKC Jaipur opposes us, they are with the people who think Radhanatha is a saint, and we are not. Sorry, we do not think Radhanath is a saint, just saying! ys pd]
JoJo: If there is fire in the barn, the horse runs into the barn. The horse thinks its a safe place. Hanuman wants to be with same people who cause fire in ISKCON. He thinks that is the only safe place. The horse does not have brains to know the barn is not a safe place to go. Hanuman is against Krishna, so Krishna stole his brains.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Well yup.]