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http://prabhupadavision.com/2012/08/back-in-aus/
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Aussie Knocker says: He holds no official position in ISKCON yet he is allowed to canvas and collect money by using ISKCON devotees and ISKCON’s name, from ISKCON donors and the general public.
What is his level of cleanliness? He wears white but what ashram does he belong to? He wears white but he does not want to marry?
How do we know he is not still visiting prostitutes? Who would or should believe him anyway? How long has it been since he had sex? Who did he last have sex with? A prostitute? Lying and cheating everyone including his imbecilic disciples for over ten years about his sexual activities while being in the renounced order of life makes him a first class liar.
The rascal cannot even maintain the regulative principles yet he is warmly accepted back into the vipers nest of GBC and gurus like nothing happened. But it did happen. He he was caught and admitted he was with prostitues declaring to anyone with even a modicum of morality self respect or character that he is a outright lecher!
He is yet to prove himself to be worthy of any respect or position within Srila Prabhuapda’s ISKCON society. Yet here he is larger than life flaunting his fall down and rubbing his depravity in the faces of any sincere devotee who is struggling with their Krishna consciousness. Rubbing his untouchable depravity into the faces of any of his God brothers and sisters who have been pushed out of ISKCON due to speaking up for their rights to serve their guru Srila Prabhupada or against the depravity of the GBC and Gurus of ISKCON.
How unbelievably insulting is it to our ISKCON society that this man is not tarred and feathered and uncermoniously kicked out of our society! Our GBC here have no scruples whatsoever! They too are shameless scallywags who would not know the right thing if it hit them on the head like a ton of bricks!
Even Bhavananda has the common decency to bow out of ISKCON for years but not this shameless lecher Paul Bloody Barrow.
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KrishnaDog says: Instead of giving one Australian penny to Prabha I would take the laxmi he wants and go to Thailand myself directly. There I would show his picture to the prostitutes he had sex with. I would then pay for them to go to Australia and whenever he shows up begging for more Laxmi I would send those lovers of his up to him with instructions to tell everyone the truth, they had sex with him for money. Then I would bravely say to one and all, "If you give this man money how do you know he will not spend it all on more of these women when he gets there? Better to give it to your own programs here in Australia where you can watch where it goes. Do not give one cent if you cannot read the temple’s laxmi books. If they won’t show you the books to hell with them. Find some other program you can trust."
I know one temple devotee who would steal all the bhoga guests would give to the Deities on Sunday and use it at her own home. It's not even safe in some places to buy something for the Deities! What to speak of giving laxmi to someone who has proven himself unworthy to be trusted with money?
What kind of idiots on the GBC would put him back in charge? Who left Bhavananda in charge for so long? Who left Kirtanananda in charge when everyone knew he was in maya for so long? Was Bhava finally forced out or did he leave and come back after a few years to a good thing? Why wait now. It seems instead of leaving for a few years a few months will do the trick. "Our guru is in his lila of being attracted to sex with whores but now he is back to acting as a pure devotee again, only this time as a grhastha. Everything is Krishna’s arrangement."
There really needs to be a common sense manual passed out to all disciples before they take initiation. It should be mandatory and should say when to reject your guru. And once you reject him DON’T TAKE HIM BACK! Let him start all over from scratch.
Prabhupada gave us tools similar like to snaffle a horse what makes things secure so that all functions in a spiritual society run smoothly. Tools that put a leash on a delinquent. Wrongdoer and transgressors will be always there, so things have to be foolproof. This was Prabhupada actual concern, how to improve management of Western Vaishnavism.
If local law is violated why devotees get into mud-wrestling? This simply makes Vaishnavism look like radical Taliban. At one point government will kick everything Vaishnava out. So far Australia’s authorities were not informed that once again a false ISKCON guru cheated hundreds of devotees, embezzled money, and, jubilantly returns to pick up more money.
Nothing happened so far, no serious attempt is made, instead, feelings ran high. So there has to be sober, cool-headed course of action to actually solve this case expertly and have it reported all over.
Ridgy Didger says: I can confirm the above article contents. I have witnessed first hand the recent trip of PV das. I would like to add the following;
1. He is definitely still collecting donations.
2. His disciples definitely still consider him their guru.
3. His disciples are VERY attached to him.
4. He is being treated VERY nicely by all. Very much fussed over (cars, flowers, housing provided, etc.)
5. Not ONE Australian leader has condemned his behaviour. In fact, they are welcoming him back and making sure he is looked after.
All this is not surprising. Don’t forget, for many Australians, PV is their 3rd "guru" (Bhavananda, Jagadisa, PV). These Aussies are poorly trained, with most of them not understanding the philosophy. They have never taken the time to understand the philosophy and thus continue being cheated. It is all too easy for the PV’s of this world to cheat others. I heard one disciple relay his recent conversation with PV. All PV has to do is say, "You are doing good service." Or, "I recall that nice service you did for Krsna." And they pull out their wallet.
These poor souls are sooooo desperate for some affection, and they get it from PV. So, they worship him as ‘guru.’ That is about it. For 99.99% of people, that is enough. None of them recognise who Srila Prabhupada or any other pure devotee is and thus accept cheap imitations.
Protect yourself, people.
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bpd says: Dear Giri, Enver and all the rest of prabhus here. All you say is true -- and as Suvarna Mataji said he will be with Yamaraja at one point in time.We all agree on that! When Arjuna did not want to fight what did Krsna say? According to some on this page he said "Yamaraja will do the rest." As I remember Krsna did not say this. (Time to be not so polite). Tell him to F**ck off when you see him. These people are to greeeeeeeady to stop if we do not stop them!!! Pen is mightier then the sword! Never ever read that in the shastra. love BPD
http://prabhupadavision.com/2012/08/back-in-aus/
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Aussie Knocker says: He holds no official position in ISKCON yet he is allowed to canvas and collect money by using ISKCON devotees and ISKCON’s name, from ISKCON donors and the general public.
What is his level of cleanliness? He wears white but what ashram does he belong to? He wears white but he does not want to marry?
How do we know he is not still visiting prostitutes? Who would or should believe him anyway? How long has it been since he had sex? Who did he last have sex with? A prostitute? Lying and cheating everyone including his imbecilic disciples for over ten years about his sexual activities while being in the renounced order of life makes him a first class liar.
The rascal cannot even maintain the regulative principles yet he is warmly accepted back into the vipers nest of GBC and gurus like nothing happened. But it did happen. He he was caught and admitted he was with prostitues declaring to anyone with even a modicum of morality self respect or character that he is a outright lecher!
He is yet to prove himself to be worthy of any respect or position within Srila Prabhuapda’s ISKCON society. Yet here he is larger than life flaunting his fall down and rubbing his depravity in the faces of any sincere devotee who is struggling with their Krishna consciousness. Rubbing his untouchable depravity into the faces of any of his God brothers and sisters who have been pushed out of ISKCON due to speaking up for their rights to serve their guru Srila Prabhupada or against the depravity of the GBC and Gurus of ISKCON.
How unbelievably insulting is it to our ISKCON society that this man is not tarred and feathered and uncermoniously kicked out of our society! Our GBC here have no scruples whatsoever! They too are shameless scallywags who would not know the right thing if it hit them on the head like a ton of bricks!
Even Bhavananda has the common decency to bow out of ISKCON for years but not this shameless lecher Paul Bloody Barrow.
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KrishnaDog says: Instead of giving one Australian penny to Prabha I would take the laxmi he wants and go to Thailand myself directly. There I would show his picture to the prostitutes he had sex with. I would then pay for them to go to Australia and whenever he shows up begging for more Laxmi I would send those lovers of his up to him with instructions to tell everyone the truth, they had sex with him for money. Then I would bravely say to one and all, "If you give this man money how do you know he will not spend it all on more of these women when he gets there? Better to give it to your own programs here in Australia where you can watch where it goes. Do not give one cent if you cannot read the temple’s laxmi books. If they won’t show you the books to hell with them. Find some other program you can trust."
I know one temple devotee who would steal all the bhoga guests would give to the Deities on Sunday and use it at her own home. It's not even safe in some places to buy something for the Deities! What to speak of giving laxmi to someone who has proven himself unworthy to be trusted with money?
What kind of idiots on the GBC would put him back in charge? Who left Bhavananda in charge for so long? Who left Kirtanananda in charge when everyone knew he was in maya for so long? Was Bhava finally forced out or did he leave and come back after a few years to a good thing? Why wait now. It seems instead of leaving for a few years a few months will do the trick. "Our guru is in his lila of being attracted to sex with whores but now he is back to acting as a pure devotee again, only this time as a grhastha. Everything is Krishna’s arrangement."
There really needs to be a common sense manual passed out to all disciples before they take initiation. It should be mandatory and should say when to reject your guru. And once you reject him DON’T TAKE HIM BACK! Let him start all over from scratch.
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Ramya dd says: @ "The GBC makes decisions every year but who knows what they are?" This is of course one option – self-administered justice. Remember, originally we were one family. We are all eternal and Krishna cannot lock opponents away forever. However strong we might want it, however strong we might develop concentrated hate. Prabhupada wanted things to be managed expertly.
Prabhupada gave us tools similar like to snaffle a horse what makes things secure so that all functions in a spiritual society run smoothly. Tools that put a leash on a delinquent. Wrongdoer and transgressors will be always there, so things have to be foolproof. This was Prabhupada actual concern, how to improve management of Western Vaishnavism.
If local law is violated why devotees get into mud-wrestling? This simply makes Vaishnavism look like radical Taliban. At one point government will kick everything Vaishnava out. So far Australia’s authorities were not informed that once again a false ISKCON guru cheated hundreds of devotees, embezzled money, and, jubilantly returns to pick up more money.
Nothing happened so far, no serious attempt is made, instead, feelings ran high. So there has to be sober, cool-headed course of action to actually solve this case expertly and have it reported all over.
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Radha-Govinda Swami says: I’ve been told by a good number of devotees who go to Mayapur regularly, that Bhavananda sits on the (vyasa) asana giving classes, telling / chastising devotees that they "are fallen."
No denying we're fallen, but for Bhavananada to be the one "up there" chastising in this way? One can either laugh, cry or be "neutral" (even transcendental) to all of this insanity, but it certainly is quite (VERY!!!) insane!!!
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Ridgy Didger says: I can confirm the above article contents. I have witnessed first hand the recent trip of PV das. I would like to add the following;
1. He is definitely still collecting donations.
2. His disciples definitely still consider him their guru.
3. His disciples are VERY attached to him.
4. He is being treated VERY nicely by all. Very much fussed over (cars, flowers, housing provided, etc.)
5. Not ONE Australian leader has condemned his behaviour. In fact, they are welcoming him back and making sure he is looked after.
All this is not surprising. Don’t forget, for many Australians, PV is their 3rd "guru" (Bhavananda, Jagadisa, PV). These Aussies are poorly trained, with most of them not understanding the philosophy. They have never taken the time to understand the philosophy and thus continue being cheated. It is all too easy for the PV’s of this world to cheat others. I heard one disciple relay his recent conversation with PV. All PV has to do is say, "You are doing good service." Or, "I recall that nice service you did for Krsna." And they pull out their wallet.
These poor souls are sooooo desperate for some affection, and they get it from PV. So, they worship him as ‘guru.’ That is about it. For 99.99% of people, that is enough. None of them recognise who Srila Prabhupada or any other pure devotee is and thus accept cheap imitations.
Protect yourself, people.
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bpd says: Dear Giri, Enver and all the rest of prabhus here. All you say is true -- and as Suvarna Mataji said he will be with Yamaraja at one point in time.We all agree on that! When Arjuna did not want to fight what did Krsna say? According to some on this page he said "Yamaraja will do the rest." As I remember Krsna did not say this. (Time to be not so polite). Tell him to F**ck off when you see him. These people are to greeeeeeeady to stop if we do not stop them!!! Pen is mightier then the sword! Never ever read that in the shastra. love BPD
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Gurugouranga das says: Hare Krishna, Thank you Radha Krishna Prabhu for keeping us up to date with the activities of Prabhavishnu. I wonder how he introduces himself to prospective donors. After all he is an ex-guru, ex-GBC and ex-sannyasi. But he still has a golden parachute courtesy of ISKCON. He is well known in Australia and New Zealand as he used to pretend to be Mr Squeaky Clean. I am his former disciple but resigned in 2001 when I felt he was not all he pretended to be. Far short of being even an advanced devotee.
It is true that he put on a good performance at times, many of the Irish are brilliant actors and entertainers. He pretended to be humble it public but was often nasty and demanding behind the scenes. From the attached photograph I see mainly Indian devotees, why do these people just go along with anything these fallen persons ask them to do? Please know Prabhavishnu is an unrepentant sex maniac and swindler, he only wants your money.
If the hate-filled trash on this blog is anything to go by, it seems to me that intolerance, bigotry and small-mindedness are, unfortunately, not confined to Christianity and Islam. You guys are into those negative things in a big way. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, Paul is my cousin.
We do not hate anyone. But since Paul thinks he is authorized to be a diksha guru, aka a person who can absorb sins like Jesus, he has become simply unhinged. According to the Vedas, when a person imitates the messiahs he is the most dangerous person in human society, and he is destined to go to the most obnoxious places in the universe (the lowest regions of the hellish planets).
ReplyDeleteWe are just quoting the scriptures here, Paul is trying to hijack the post of messiah and this is not allowed in religious circles, because it takes one to the lowest destinations in future.
So we are not saying anything, we cite the scriptures, same scripture Paul claims to follow, which says, he is going down the crapper of the universe, its just that we accept these writings as valid and he does not, he does not believe in the Vedas or would not do what the Vedas say, takes one to hell.
So the difference between us and him is, we actually believe these statements, he thinks he can cheat these statement. ys pd
Hey, guys, where you was when so called Paul regularly came to the USSR and preached in quite dangerous places?
DeleteRight, Prabhavishnu made ISKCON a dangerous place for us, the Srila Prabhupada devotees, who were being beaten and killed thanks to Prabhavishnu's preaching that we are bogus. He made ISKCON the most dangerous place in the world for a devotee of Krishna, we were getting beaten up and killed. Yes, Prabhavishnu made the world's most dangerous place for us devotees, devotees were being banned, beaten, children were being molested, and some of us were killed. Why does Prabhavishnu think he is authorized to treat Srila Prabhupada's devotee like they were worse than animals, and even have us killed? Sorry, he has no authority to have us treated like that, none. ys pd
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