DESHIKA DAS: Srila Prabhupada had no spiritual limitations, yet he had physical limitations. He could not distribute his own books in all the countries of the world, and so engaged us, his willing disciples, as his arms and legs to do it. He wrote the books and we sold them. That fact does not mean that somehow we were the ones who should take the credit for spreading Krishna consciousness. We were simply the willing instruments, moved by his order. Similarly, one who has accepted the role of guru in modern ISKCON should not take the credit for being a mere instrument in Srila Prabhupada’s hands. Although others may view him as guru, he knows that he remains a simple disciple, a ‘classroom monitor’ in Srila Prabhupada’s school.
[PADA: OK that means your gurus are de facto ritviks, i.e. your "gurus" are functioning factually as FALLIBLE priests who are conducting the initiation ceremonies on behalf of the acharya. The priest is not able to apply the function of "absorbing sins like Jesus" rather he is giving diksha (which also means : absorbing sins) on behalf of the acharyas. Therefore, when current GBC gurus complain they are having headaches and falling down from "absorbing sins" ... this also proves they were never qualified to absorb these sins in the first place. The GBC has also placed all kinds of ecclessiastical priest-like "rules" for their gurus such as: monitoring, censuring, removing, excommunicating, and so on, all of these rules apply to a priest and would never apply to an acharya. As Aindra said all these rules prove the GBC gurus are ecclessiastical corporate figureheads and not actual acharyas. Even Umapati said all these rules means the GBC are not gurus [they are ecclessiasticaly monitored aka priests aka ritviks].
DD: It is therefore a false dilemma that is posed by ISKCON’s critics: “Srila Prabhupada or a modern day guru? Take your choice!” A false dilemma and a mistake, I feel, born out of the mind’s inability to hold two apparently contradictory positions at once.
[PADA: Now you contradicted yourself, you said the GBC are not absolute gurus, they are relativised, fallible, very much replace-able, usually temporary, and at best priest-like representatives and students and not professors, hence -- monitors. A montior is not a guru, he is a proxy for the guru, just as a priest is a proxy for the guru. The priest does not claim to be another Jesus who is absorbing sins, he says he is only performing the ceremonials on behalf of the acharyas. You are mixing the roles.]
DD: It is not a case, actually, that we should have to choose one and be bereft of the other. Whereas the mind in raja-guna tends to polarise two positions and set them against each other, the mind in sattva-guna always tries to reconcile and harmonise.
[PADA: Most of the GBC's over 200 gurus since 1977 has fallen down, blooped, and some of them have taken to meat eating, that means they never were gurus, they were at best class room monitors. And they barely were qualified even to do that!]
DD: As my regular readers will know, I have had cancer successfully treated twice over the past five months. The medical team included some highly specialised surgeons who saw me once or twice, operated, then saw me once afterwards. But the bulk of the healing work was performed, every single day, by competent and experienced nurses.
[PADA: Good, the nurses are assistants (priests) to the doctors (acharyas), they are not doctors. The ritviks are assisting the acharyas, they are not acharyas, the classoom monitor assists the professor, but he is not a professor. Good. Of course we might also ask why, after 1977, so many ISKCON devotees are so much sickly: Getting serious medical treatments and hospital operations; Taking tons of medications including psychotropics for mental ailments; Dying of things like brain tumors; Having all kinds of cancers, heart diseases and so many other terminal ailments? Why would a large group of pious and saintly vegetarians have and epidmic of fatal diseases all the time? Clearly there is something wrong here, and what is wrong is that a demoniac influence has crept into the lives of these devotees and it is ruining their health.]
DD: Both types of medical workers were essential for saving my life and for my ultimate well-being and I am extremely grateful to both. The surgeons could not see me every day to change my dressings, but the nurses could. It would be a false dilemma to ask me to choose one or the other. I needed them both for the special tasks they could perform.
[PADA: Right, in ISKCON these people who can barely come up to the standard of priests are claiming to be gurus, and this is bogus.]
DD: Srila Prabhupada is the acarya for everyone who takes to Krishna consciousness as taught by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. And the term acarya certainly includes the term guru. So Srila Prabhupada is everyone’s guru.
[PADA: OK good you agree with the ritviks then.]
DD: And yet if a disciple is scripturally instructed, personally and practically guided, and sometimes corrected to reduce their tendency to commit offenses, they also have a guru in the person who is doing all that for them.
[PADA: Right, the kanisthas are nurse monitors and the acharyas are uttama brain surgeons. The first problem in ISKCON is that they kicked out 4,500 of these nurses by 1986, saying that eleven of them are brain surgeons already. This issue has never been fixed, some of these bogus 11 who kicked out all the nurses are still main figures of authority in ISKCON today.]
DD: And if that is the case, then they are recommended by scripture to serve and enquire submissively from that preceptor. Otherwise, from where does the all-important humility come? Besides, in the desperate condition of bhava-roga, the ‘disease of material existence,’ and with such a short life span, do we not need as much help as we can get? If this post interests you, you may also like ‘Little Ants on a Leaping Lion,’ also in the ‘Guru-Disciple’ section
[PADA: OK well you are picking up parts of our idea gradually, ISKCON is becomming ritvik throught the back door. ys pd]
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