Tuesday, April 5, 2011
Why Narayana Maharaja is guilty of GBC crimes (ISKCON) ys pd
PADA to theultimateotaku: Sorry! Narayana Maharaja said the 11 should be worshipped as rati keli acharyas, so he empowered them to act as absolute authorities who could not be questioned. Moreover NM said anyone who challenged the 11 was "ritvik poison" so he was trying as hard as he could to get dissenters murdered, and he succeded. Sorry, the Vedas say that anyone who supports a deviation is as guilty as the perps, read the story of Draupadi, she said all the supporters are as guilty as the perp. ys pd
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K****** Das: Looking to hire 2 devotees in Mumbai for doing book distribution. Sal Rs.8k + accomo + comm on gross profit. Apply with 2 ref from senior guys in ur yatra to thakur_baboo@hotmail.com
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God is -- in the hospital? Heh heh! ys pd
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Monday, April 4, 2011
Lets move forward (by Tamohara dasa) re ISKCON
Dear Hasti Gopala et al; Pamho. AGTSP. I did read this below article at the Sampradaya Sun. I post articles of yours at my site http://puredevoteeseva.ning.com/ sometimes. I have been noticing how hard you are working! May Sri Baladeva give you strength.
S.Sun refuses to print anything from me, censors B Radha Govinda Swami's stuff, same with many other ritviks or Prabhupada-centrists. I put it that by posting with Rocana or even going to his site, you are in the long run doing some damage, as well as some good. Let us all disregard his site and instead promote the positive alternatives, such as Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON internet, also Bangalore, Prabhupadanugas EU, etc.
Wishing you every success. I have been posting more "attack" articles lately onsite, plus comments at Prabhupadanuga EU etc. in response to your call to "turn up the heat". I am increasingly of the opinion, however, that we should just let ISKCON go to hell, itsgon, and concentrate on positive aspects of our new organizations. We are becoming depressed and alienated, when we should be joyfully chanting harinama. When I get Rat-a-lot disciples applying for membership at SPIrit-net, I flat turn them down. Why drag their hells into our lives? Hari.
Our new ritivk initiates at SPI, of which there are three, are accepting the responsibility of the fight, but are also feeling the strain on account of it. I am also finding that being available to three new devotees has been very demanding, just like being a father or responsible uncle. 2 americans, one hungarian. They are all strong and standing on their own feet now, after going on almost two years, and one has a well-attended preaching website in Hungarian language, with no interference or even influence from Sivarama Swami et al. MidEast Europeans are very nice people, easy to preach to, very open minded and sensitive to bhakti, by nature. So we are progressing, but much more active involvement is possible and desired. I suppose I am mentioning this as I want more support and encouragement from other preachers. I take the 175ish steady members as support, for sure, but the preaching could increase with more active members onsite.
Realistically, the insane world struggles go on, as it ever was and likely will be. At least we have gotten the positive alternatives off and running, and in the long term, we will bury the usurpers. I am convinced it is Srila Prabhupada's desire. HK.
With well wishes and obeisances
S.Sun refuses to print anything from me, censors B Radha Govinda Swami's stuff, same with many other ritviks or Prabhupada-centrists. I put it that by posting with Rocana or even going to his site, you are in the long run doing some damage, as well as some good. Let us all disregard his site and instead promote the positive alternatives, such as Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON internet, also Bangalore, Prabhupadanugas EU, etc.
Wishing you every success. I have been posting more "attack" articles lately onsite, plus comments at Prabhupadanuga EU etc. in response to your call to "turn up the heat". I am increasingly of the opinion, however, that we should just let ISKCON go to hell, itsgon, and concentrate on positive aspects of our new organizations. We are becoming depressed and alienated, when we should be joyfully chanting harinama. When I get Rat-a-lot disciples applying for membership at SPIrit-net, I flat turn them down. Why drag their hells into our lives? Hari.
Our new ritivk initiates at SPI, of which there are three, are accepting the responsibility of the fight, but are also feeling the strain on account of it. I am also finding that being available to three new devotees has been very demanding, just like being a father or responsible uncle. 2 americans, one hungarian. They are all strong and standing on their own feet now, after going on almost two years, and one has a well-attended preaching website in Hungarian language, with no interference or even influence from Sivarama Swami et al. MidEast Europeans are very nice people, easy to preach to, very open minded and sensitive to bhakti, by nature. So we are progressing, but much more active involvement is possible and desired. I suppose I am mentioning this as I want more support and encouragement from other preachers. I take the 175ish steady members as support, for sure, but the preaching could increase with more active members onsite.
Realistically, the insane world struggles go on, as it ever was and likely will be. At least we have gotten the positive alternatives off and running, and in the long term, we will bury the usurpers. I am convinced it is Srila Prabhupada's desire. HK.
With well wishes and obeisances
Sunday, April 3, 2011
GBC not interested in preaching (ISKCON)
Haridasa Thakura Dasa Prabhu,Dear Gaurahari, my aim wasn't to inspire you. You have given thought to what I said but you are fixed in what you do. My aim is to make devotees think about your aims in respect of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON. What concerns me is the absolute certainty of your views in this regard. I am sick and tired of listening to all the criticisms, the gripes, the complaints and the constant sniping by so called advanced devotees against the GBC etc, who are doing their best best in devotional service. It is almost as if there is some hidden motive within ISKCON's leadership to cheat others, and that simply is not the case. Problems are there but to snipe from outside and disturb the minds of neophytes is not a positive thing to do and I don't see Srila Prabhupada being pleased by this kind of activity. I am not lumping you in with the so called advanced devotees as I rather like you, but the only pressers of the like button will be those that bear some kind of grudge against ISKCON. I read your email, thank you and I am not projecting my mind outwardly onto you. I listen with my ears and feel with my heart. Go well Gaurahari prabhu.
PADA The GBC's ISKCON has almost no interest in preaching whatsoever. When they tell the average man on the street that their 230 voted in messiahs are mostly falling into illicit sex with men, women and children, because their messiahs are often sex and even drugs fiends, the average man is totally disgusted, and he wants nothing to do with a "religion" that has most of its messiahs fallen into drugs and illicit sex. These GBC folks do not want to preach, they want Hindus to come and drop money in the collection box, thats their main program. What kind of religion teaches that the messiahs are mostly fallen into illicit sex, a religion that does not want to preach at all. ys pd
PADA The GBC's ISKCON has almost no interest in preaching whatsoever. When they tell the average man on the street that their 230 voted in messiahs are mostly falling into illicit sex with men, women and children, because their messiahs are often sex and even drugs fiends, the average man is totally disgusted, and he wants nothing to do with a "religion" that has most of its messiahs fallen into drugs and illicit sex. These GBC folks do not want to preach, they want Hindus to come and drop money in the collection box, thats their main program. What kind of religion teaches that the messiahs are mostly fallen into illicit sex, a religion that does not want to preach at all. ys pd
U.K. Queen orders Vegan menu at Royal's wedding (ISKCON)
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Preaching that Prabhupada is the guru is: The order of guru (ISKCON)
Gaurahari Das. Dear Gaura das, The foundation of pure devotional service is executing the order of the Acarya. This bogus GBC and the other 10 appointed ritviks cut themelves off from Srila Prabhupada's transcendental grace by such a severe apparada of disboeying the instruction that blocked and confused many thousands of souls from receiving Srila Prabhupada's real grace of pure devotional service engagement. This is my experience. Now you are obviously praising another platform and standard of devotional service in the modes of nature. I am not preaching that platform which condones such lying and motivated religious cheating. That is why their may apparently be some discrepancy here between us. I am preaching the pure devotional principals of caitanya caritamra: "The order of the Acarya is the active principal of spiritual life and disobeying it one becomes transcendentally useless"
PDA: BRAVO GAURAHARI DASA!
PDA: BRAVO GAURAHARI DASA!
More death threats to PADA (ISKCON)
Abhay Deolekar also commented on Bhajahari Murphy's photo. Abhay wrote:
"The day you meet me personaly, i will make your Samadhi at the same place."
PADA: Well this is actually good news: -- it means he cannot even answer even one of our questions. The other good news is, I get to go into samadhi (i.e. worship of Krishna). Wow! Can't wait to be sent into samadhi! Hah hah. If anyone knows who this GBC bone headed hack is, tell him, anwser our questions and quit behaving like a molester messiah goonda. ys pd
"The day you meet me personaly, i will make your Samadhi at the same place."
PADA: Well this is actually good news: -- it means he cannot even answer even one of our questions. The other good news is, I get to go into samadhi (i.e. worship of Krishna). Wow! Can't wait to be sent into samadhi! Hah hah. If anyone knows who this GBC bone headed hack is, tell him, anwser our questions and quit behaving like a molester messiah goonda. ys pd
Saturday, April 2, 2011
All in the past? Or not? (ISKCON)
Dear prabhu, I am not living in the past? Tripurari was trying to get voted in as a GBC guru because he believes in the TODAY and CURRENT / GBC / Sridhara Maharaja idea that "every year at Mayapura you will vote in more gurus." That is what SM told the GBC and they are still doing that, TODAY. Tripurari supports SM's idea that gurus are voted in, so they voted in 230, but only 80 are left, and most of them blooped, most of them fell into illicit sex as did the SM Gaudiya Matha gurus, and some of the remaining had illicit sex and are still gurus, albet mental cases like Satsvarupa. The GBC has adopted SM idea that gurus fall down, gurus go mad because they are mentally unstable fools, that acharyas go mad after money women and followers, that when the acharyas fail "wait and see" and do nothing, and in sum, the entire apasiddhanta CURRENTLY used by the GBC was formulated in their early discussions with SM from 1978-1982. All of the pillar deviations of the GBC were given to them by SM, where they are used TODAY! Sorry, today is what I am talking about! The ideas and concepts given to the GBC by SM are still actively in force TODAY. EXAMPLE: When their gurus deviate they "wait and see" -- just as they were told to by SM. All of the ideas of SM that were incorporated into ISKCON in 1978 are all still being used TODAY. Tripurari has never said he disagrees with one centilla of all this! He endorses it! TODAY. I simply do not accept that acharyas fall into illicit sex with men, women and children as the acharyas SM rubber stamped did in 1936, post 1977, and are still doing now, their gurus are still failing every so often even NOW! All this was taught to them BY SM and is still the CURRENT siddhanta of both Tripurari and the GBC. Thanks for your patience! ys pd
Tripurari and Sridhara update (ISKCON)
Re: Letter re Sridhara Maharaja
Namaste Prabhu,
Srila Prabhupada told me also, "Sridhara Maharaja is one of the finest preachers." I want to take you everywhere. At least at the place we have in Mayapura, people are coming from all over the world. If you just agree, then whatever kind of building you want, I will arrange it for you. They are trying to build a house for me. So both of us will stay there. And whenever you want, you can come here to your matha." - Prabhupada
[PD: Sridhara Maharaja was asked to be the president of the India yatra, he refused. He was used to be worshipped as a guru, so being an administrator was not in his interest. Yes, you are correct, SM was asked to help and he did not.]
To this second question Prabhupada replied, "For philosophy, my Godbrother B. R. Sridhara Maharaja of Navadvipa." - Tripurari Swami
[PD: This is not verified? If Srila Prabhupada had wanted us to consult with Sridhara Maharaja, he would have made that clear to the whole movement, not to one or two persons? Sridhara maharaja was totally startled that he was named as a consultant, why was he never told he was the consultant by SP? Why was this never mentioned in 1977? Why did Srila Prabhupada say that SM is the leader of the severe offender party in 1977? How come there is no tape, no letter, no evidence this conversation ever took place, and why was it not announced or discussed by anyone? And in 1982, the GBC came forward with tons of quotes why we are not supposed to associate with SM, yet even after 1982 Tripurari was trying to get voted in as a GBC guru. Why would he want to be voted in by the people who were rejecting SM? Sorry, there are way too many contradictions here.]
Okay, so Prabhupada didn't want any of his disciples to associate with any of his Godbrothers while he was still on the planet, I will give you that, because it was not necessary as they could always go to Prabhupada for philosophical advice.
[PD: SM's advise was to let them dig their own graves, which they did, and the took 2,000 children into the grave with them. Is that what you'd call sound advice?]
However, Srila Prabhupada has said himself that after his passing, because there was NO BODY ELSE even close to qualified, of all of the people who lacked qualification, the most qualified was Shridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj.
[PD: Most qualified to advise us to allow 2,000 children to go into the grave, because they were being mass molested? What advice is that, let ISKCON go into the grave?]
Why are you trying to annul this point that Prabhupada made? Tripurari Swami was merely following the order of his Guru and you make him out to seem like he's some kind of arch-villain?
[PD: I have asked Tripurari to show me a tape or letter where we were told to go to Sridhara for 35 years, there is none. Yes, allowing the children to go into the grave is villanous. SM should have stopped these bogus gurus, he would have been listened to, instead he stopped me, he said "none should protest" so I was booted out.]
The terrain wasn't very good after Prabhupada passed and it's still terrible, there is a complete lack of Maha Bhagavatas like Prabhupada, so what else could Prabhupada have said? Even if he knew that Shridhar Dev Goswami had made this error in judgment regarding the political situation of Gaudiya Math, he still recommended that his disciples take shelter in him for philosophical advice after his passing? Prabhupada never taught the deep detailed intimate advanced parts of Gaudiya Vaishnava Siddhanta, but he said you can go to Shridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj for this, what is the problem with that?
[PD: The problem is by SM's endorsing the homosexual guru in 1936, people were beaten with bricks, had their faces pushed into dogs stools, and some were killed, horrible media publicity in the 1940s, and the mission was ruined, and then, Sridhara created the same mess after 1977 by endorsing more homosexuals as gurus, and I only escaped SM's mad post 1977 cult because the police ok Krishna in the form of the police, protected me. The 1974 letter to Rupanuga is correct, none of them are qualified to be acharyas and they are very competent to harm our natural progress. ys pd]
Namaste Prabhu,
Srila Prabhupada told me also, "Sridhara Maharaja is one of the finest preachers." I want to take you everywhere. At least at the place we have in Mayapura, people are coming from all over the world. If you just agree, then whatever kind of building you want, I will arrange it for you. They are trying to build a house for me. So both of us will stay there. And whenever you want, you can come here to your matha." - Prabhupada
[PD: Sridhara Maharaja was asked to be the president of the India yatra, he refused. He was used to be worshipped as a guru, so being an administrator was not in his interest. Yes, you are correct, SM was asked to help and he did not.]
To this second question Prabhupada replied, "For philosophy, my Godbrother B. R. Sridhara Maharaja of Navadvipa." - Tripurari Swami
[PD: This is not verified? If Srila Prabhupada had wanted us to consult with Sridhara Maharaja, he would have made that clear to the whole movement, not to one or two persons? Sridhara maharaja was totally startled that he was named as a consultant, why was he never told he was the consultant by SP? Why was this never mentioned in 1977? Why did Srila Prabhupada say that SM is the leader of the severe offender party in 1977? How come there is no tape, no letter, no evidence this conversation ever took place, and why was it not announced or discussed by anyone? And in 1982, the GBC came forward with tons of quotes why we are not supposed to associate with SM, yet even after 1982 Tripurari was trying to get voted in as a GBC guru. Why would he want to be voted in by the people who were rejecting SM? Sorry, there are way too many contradictions here.]
Okay, so Prabhupada didn't want any of his disciples to associate with any of his Godbrothers while he was still on the planet, I will give you that, because it was not necessary as they could always go to Prabhupada for philosophical advice.
[PD: SM's advise was to let them dig their own graves, which they did, and the took 2,000 children into the grave with them. Is that what you'd call sound advice?]
However, Srila Prabhupada has said himself that after his passing, because there was NO BODY ELSE even close to qualified, of all of the people who lacked qualification, the most qualified was Shridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj.
[PD: Most qualified to advise us to allow 2,000 children to go into the grave, because they were being mass molested? What advice is that, let ISKCON go into the grave?]
Why are you trying to annul this point that Prabhupada made? Tripurari Swami was merely following the order of his Guru and you make him out to seem like he's some kind of arch-villain?
[PD: I have asked Tripurari to show me a tape or letter where we were told to go to Sridhara for 35 years, there is none. Yes, allowing the children to go into the grave is villanous. SM should have stopped these bogus gurus, he would have been listened to, instead he stopped me, he said "none should protest" so I was booted out.]
The terrain wasn't very good after Prabhupada passed and it's still terrible, there is a complete lack of Maha Bhagavatas like Prabhupada, so what else could Prabhupada have said? Even if he knew that Shridhar Dev Goswami had made this error in judgment regarding the political situation of Gaudiya Math, he still recommended that his disciples take shelter in him for philosophical advice after his passing? Prabhupada never taught the deep detailed intimate advanced parts of Gaudiya Vaishnava Siddhanta, but he said you can go to Shridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj for this, what is the problem with that?
[PD: The problem is by SM's endorsing the homosexual guru in 1936, people were beaten with bricks, had their faces pushed into dogs stools, and some were killed, horrible media publicity in the 1940s, and the mission was ruined, and then, Sridhara created the same mess after 1977 by endorsing more homosexuals as gurus, and I only escaped SM's mad post 1977 cult because the police ok Krishna in the form of the police, protected me. The 1974 letter to Rupanuga is correct, none of them are qualified to be acharyas and they are very competent to harm our natural progress. ys pd]
Sivarama swami rationalizes kanistha gurus (ISKCON)
http://iskcontruth.blogspot.com/2011/03/reply-to-sivarama-swamis-podcast-of.html
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I really hate the ritviks (Mahasana dasa)
BY: Mahasana dasa
I really hate the ritviks
they’re such a nasty lot
they say that Prabhupada’s the guru and that I am not
I really hate the ritviks
from deep within my heart
they say that Prabhupada’s the guru and they should be shot
I really hate the ritviks
they fill me full of rage
why can’t they let me be the guru and just turn the page?
if Prabhupada’s the guru
and Prabhupada is gone
I’ll never be the guru even if I am reborn
I really hate the ritviks
they make me want to spit
they make me want to ring their necks and throw them in a pit
I wish I had some big boots
and they were little ants
I’d stomp on every one of them especially Krishnakant
I really hate the ritviks
it goes beyond compare
they’re always quoting Prabhupada like I could really care
it’s simple for the simple
and crooked for the dense
the ritviks are in maya ’cause they’re living in past tense
I really hate the ritviks
I hate them thru and thru
they’re worse than Hiranyaksa and Hiranyakasipu
they’re worse than Bible thumpers
you meet out in the street
they’re worse than how the temple smells when guests don’t wash their feet
I really hate the ritviks
they’re such a nasty lot
they say that Prabhupada’s the guru and that I am not
I really hate the ritviks
from deep within my heart
they say that Prabhupada’s the guru and they should be shot
I really hate the ritviks
they fill me full of rage
why can’t they let me be the guru and just turn the page?
if Prabhupada’s the guru
and Prabhupada is gone
I’ll never be the guru even if I am reborn
I really hate the ritviks
they make me want to spit
they make me want to ring their necks and throw them in a pit
I wish I had some big boots
and they were little ants
I’d stomp on every one of them especially Krishnakant
I really hate the ritviks
it goes beyond compare
they’re always quoting Prabhupada like I could really care
it’s simple for the simple
and crooked for the dense
the ritviks are in maya ’cause they’re living in past tense
I really hate the ritviks
I hate them thru and thru
they’re worse than Hiranyaksa and Hiranyakasipu
they’re worse than Bible thumpers
you meet out in the street
they’re worse than how the temple smells when guests don’t wash their feet
Lets be friends, ok, then answer this first question (ISKCON)
PADA OK. Well lets start a "friendly debate" right here and now. The South India Bangalore devotees were told that the GBC's gurus have voted in over 230 "parampara gurus and acharyas." And most of these alleged acharyas has subsequently has fallen into illicit sex. The GBC guru's idea found constantly in their documents is: that acharyas fall into illicit sex, so these Bangalore devotees covered their ears (because it is an offense to say acharyas are fallen) and then they laughed their heads off at the very thought of people saying "India's tradition of acharyas" is that they mostly fall into illicit sex, because in South India they have profound resepct for acharyas such as Madhva, Ramanuja and so on. Where does Srila Prabhupada say that the vaishnava guru parampara is full of fallen down people? And why were these Bangalore people covering their ears, then laughing their heads off, at the GBC's guru ideology? Where is it stated that most of the acharyas fall, when Srila Prabhupada says, it is the mad elephant offense to say acharyas in our parampara fall -- at all? I am not being defensive, this is the root question that never gets answered. Fortunately, the Bangalore devotees can answer this question because they already know from their pious birth in South India brahmana culture -- that it is an offense to say acharyas are fallling and debauched. ys pd
Friday, April 1, 2011
What is the authority of BV Tripurari (ISKCON) ys pd
Re:
I'm agreeing with you, I'm quite certain that the natural process should have been self-effulgent acharyas rising up from those ranks of pure devotees, but didn't Prabhupada say that those 11 people he pointed as ritviks should act as Gurus?
[PD: No, in fact he said his followers are not even fit for sannyasa on January 21, 1977, so supsend sannyasa. There are many other conversations where he says they are not fit in 1977, check these out on my site harekrsna.org]
Did he make a mistake then? Was he an actual Acharya then if he made a single mistake? Why did he ask Srila Narayan Maharaj to forgive his offenses against his godbrothers when he was close to death? Was he fallible? :O ... What's that make all of us then?
[PD: Srila Prabhupada said he wanted to be forgiven for attacking the bogus ideas of his brothers, but he never said, therefore I agree that Sridhara Maharaja had the authority to make homosexual gurus? This apology was taken to be an endorsement of the appointed gurus, it was not, it was a courtesy.]
Your tagging Tripurari along with all this nonsense and I don't think that he had much control over it as a low level devotee not even a part of the GBC and trying to take shelter outside of ISKCON with the only person that he knew he could go to, on the advice of his Guru Maharaj, which was Shridhara Maharaj.
[PD: In 1974 Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara is the leader of the bogus Bagh Bazaar party and he ruined the Gaudiya Matha, so do not consult him. In 1977 Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara maharaja is the leader of the severe offender's Bagh Bazaar party, there is no instruction to go there and take his advice? Where is this order given?]
How are you so utterly certain that Tripurari had any say in any of this? I wasn't there back in 1936 so I can't know exactly what happened, although you seem pretty certain that you do.
[PD: Sridhara made a homosexual into a guru in 1936, therefore he should not have done that again after 1977, he never learned from his mistakes.]
Why hasn't Tripurari Swami rectified any of this? How about because he is too busy with his own mission and helping to nurture the Brahmacharis to bother with such nonsense?
[PD: Ok so when Sridhara said (the children of) ISKCON have to worship the (homosexual and molester) gurus, and this created mass beating, starving and molesting of children, Tripurari recently said so what, its not important. So that means that mass molesting, ruining the name of ISKCON, children commiting suicide, $400,000,000 lawsuits are -- not important? So he does not think these children being victimized by his support of these molester gurus is a problem, well its not for him, but what about the thousands of victims of his policy?]
Just because he went to Shirdhara Maharaj for shelter, like many of Prabhupada's former disciples did, now all of a sudden he is a great offender and all this nonsense? Even after he left Shridhar Maharaj to form his own preaching mission in the 80s?
[PD: He has not left Sridhara, he is still supporting the idea that Sridhara had the authority to promote these deviant people as gurus.]
Why is he associating with these people? Didn't Prabhupada associate with his Godbrothers Srila Shridhar Maharaj and Srila Narayan Maharaj who you loathe so much?
[PD: Ok but as soon as Tripurari sees me, a person who thinks homosexual pedophiles are not gurus, he says we are demons, he was shouting at me, you are a demon, all because I would not worship his molester guru program.]
You act like he's going to get cooties from associating with them. Agnidev Prabhu was telling me how they treated Tripurari like shit and barely even acknowledged him or treated him as a Sannyasi because he left ISKCON and they felt he was trying to divert members to his Sri Chaitanya Sangha.
He distributes books filled with these misconceptions? I've read his Siksastakam commentaries, as well as his book Aesthetic Vedanta he is too busy focusing on the actual Gaudiya philosophy to engage in all of this political hatemongering.
[PD: OK, so Sridhara's books says acharyas go mad after women, money and followers, that means they are attacking the acharyas, not me personally? I am defending the acharyas, they are not mad fools chasing skirts.]
When is it going to be clarified by him? I don't know why don't you write him a letter or send him a message on facebook and ask? I don't think this kind of nonsense even enters his mind, what good would it do him to run around spewing all this political babble?
[PD: The last exchange it I had with Tripurari was where two of his followers were threatening me with death and I had to take all these e-mails to the police, and tell the police these are followers of Tripurari, I told Tripurari I was going to the police, he has not commented ever since.]
He left ISKCON for precisely that reason he didn't want to be associated with all that bullshit that was going on. So what that he says hi to them at Rathayatra and gives them respect? You act like that makes him complicit in their crimes that's nonsense.
Why are you unable to see ANY of the good qualities of these people you are spreading hate about?
[PD: Tripurari is currently selling books that say acharyas are deviants, or they fall into deviations, so he is attacking the acharyas. Worse, he says worship of someone like Jesus is bogus ritviks, its better to worship the homosexual gurus his party supported then? He is attacking Jesus, so I am not going to allow others to attack acharyas and Jesus without commenting, that is my duty to the acharyas. ys pd]
I'm agreeing with you, I'm quite certain that the natural process should have been self-effulgent acharyas rising up from those ranks of pure devotees, but didn't Prabhupada say that those 11 people he pointed as ritviks should act as Gurus?
[PD: No, in fact he said his followers are not even fit for sannyasa on January 21, 1977, so supsend sannyasa. There are many other conversations where he says they are not fit in 1977, check these out on my site harekrsna.org]
Did he make a mistake then? Was he an actual Acharya then if he made a single mistake? Why did he ask Srila Narayan Maharaj to forgive his offenses against his godbrothers when he was close to death? Was he fallible? :O ... What's that make all of us then?
[PD: Srila Prabhupada said he wanted to be forgiven for attacking the bogus ideas of his brothers, but he never said, therefore I agree that Sridhara Maharaja had the authority to make homosexual gurus? This apology was taken to be an endorsement of the appointed gurus, it was not, it was a courtesy.]
Your tagging Tripurari along with all this nonsense and I don't think that he had much control over it as a low level devotee not even a part of the GBC and trying to take shelter outside of ISKCON with the only person that he knew he could go to, on the advice of his Guru Maharaj, which was Shridhara Maharaj.
[PD: In 1974 Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara is the leader of the bogus Bagh Bazaar party and he ruined the Gaudiya Matha, so do not consult him. In 1977 Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara maharaja is the leader of the severe offender's Bagh Bazaar party, there is no instruction to go there and take his advice? Where is this order given?]
How are you so utterly certain that Tripurari had any say in any of this? I wasn't there back in 1936 so I can't know exactly what happened, although you seem pretty certain that you do.
[PD: Sridhara made a homosexual into a guru in 1936, therefore he should not have done that again after 1977, he never learned from his mistakes.]
Why hasn't Tripurari Swami rectified any of this? How about because he is too busy with his own mission and helping to nurture the Brahmacharis to bother with such nonsense?
[PD: Ok so when Sridhara said (the children of) ISKCON have to worship the (homosexual and molester) gurus, and this created mass beating, starving and molesting of children, Tripurari recently said so what, its not important. So that means that mass molesting, ruining the name of ISKCON, children commiting suicide, $400,000,000 lawsuits are -- not important? So he does not think these children being victimized by his support of these molester gurus is a problem, well its not for him, but what about the thousands of victims of his policy?]
Just because he went to Shirdhara Maharaj for shelter, like many of Prabhupada's former disciples did, now all of a sudden he is a great offender and all this nonsense? Even after he left Shridhar Maharaj to form his own preaching mission in the 80s?
[PD: He has not left Sridhara, he is still supporting the idea that Sridhara had the authority to promote these deviant people as gurus.]
Why is he associating with these people? Didn't Prabhupada associate with his Godbrothers Srila Shridhar Maharaj and Srila Narayan Maharaj who you loathe so much?
[PD: Ok but as soon as Tripurari sees me, a person who thinks homosexual pedophiles are not gurus, he says we are demons, he was shouting at me, you are a demon, all because I would not worship his molester guru program.]
You act like he's going to get cooties from associating with them. Agnidev Prabhu was telling me how they treated Tripurari like shit and barely even acknowledged him or treated him as a Sannyasi because he left ISKCON and they felt he was trying to divert members to his Sri Chaitanya Sangha.
He distributes books filled with these misconceptions? I've read his Siksastakam commentaries, as well as his book Aesthetic Vedanta he is too busy focusing on the actual Gaudiya philosophy to engage in all of this political hatemongering.
[PD: OK, so Sridhara's books says acharyas go mad after women, money and followers, that means they are attacking the acharyas, not me personally? I am defending the acharyas, they are not mad fools chasing skirts.]
When is it going to be clarified by him? I don't know why don't you write him a letter or send him a message on facebook and ask? I don't think this kind of nonsense even enters his mind, what good would it do him to run around spewing all this political babble?
[PD: The last exchange it I had with Tripurari was where two of his followers were threatening me with death and I had to take all these e-mails to the police, and tell the police these are followers of Tripurari, I told Tripurari I was going to the police, he has not commented ever since.]
He left ISKCON for precisely that reason he didn't want to be associated with all that bullshit that was going on. So what that he says hi to them at Rathayatra and gives them respect? You act like that makes him complicit in their crimes that's nonsense.
Why are you unable to see ANY of the good qualities of these people you are spreading hate about?
[PD: Tripurari is currently selling books that say acharyas are deviants, or they fall into deviations, so he is attacking the acharyas. Worse, he says worship of someone like Jesus is bogus ritviks, its better to worship the homosexual gurus his party supported then? He is attacking Jesus, so I am not going to allow others to attack acharyas and Jesus without commenting, that is my duty to the acharyas. ys pd]
When is BV Tripurari going to clean this up? (ISKCON)
Ok a guru cannot be elected, he will be self effulgent. There were 10,000 devotees in ISKCON in 1977, many of them very effulgent preachers, and they were almost all driven out by the GBC, backed by Sridhara and Tripurari types, by their saying that gurus are appointed and elected. Therefore the natural development of self effulgent preachers and their self advancing program was halted, and the institutionalized rubber stamping of gurus appeared instead. This also happened in 1936, gurus were appointed by Sridhara Maharaja, who concocted and vociferously backed that idea, and nice preachers were kicked out or alienated -- including Srila Prabhupada. So even if you are correct, guru is self effulgent, in the Sridhara and Tripurari system, the guru is appointed and elected, therefore the self effulgent guru Srila Prabhupada had to leave the Sridhara Gaudiya Matha and start his own mission without them. There is little or no room for the bona fide self effulgent devotee in the appointed system.
Jesus was self effulgent, and the voting for smarta Pharisees had to reject him, the voting system of Sridhara Maharaja is the same problem, when gurus are voted then the self effulgent generally has to operate outside, as most of our acharyas do, they are not able to function in the ecclessiastical system. Tripurari is still saying Sridhara and his appointed and voted guru deviated system is bona fide, so he has not rectified anything.
Sridhara Maharaja was the head of the self appointed bogu guru program, which elected Ananta Vasudeva (a bi-sexual deviant) to the post of guru. If Tripurari is now rectified and free from deviation, why is he still saying Sridhara Maharaja has the authority to promote bi-sexual deviants as acharyas in 1936, and then to advocate for more homosexuals as gurus after 1977? Clearly Tripurari is not clarifying that these are deviations, rather he is saying that support of these deviations as was done by Sridhara is bona fide.
So assuming that preachers evolve self effulgently, this process is halted by the Sridhara, Tripurari and GBC program of appointing and voting in gurus, just like the smarta guru process, which puts bogus beedi smoking fools into the post of guru all over India by caste or appointment, and the real preachers are suppressed. Even Lord Chaitanya was suppressed by the ecclessiastical guru clan. So the Sridhara Maharaja idea of guru by appointment and votes is counter acting the natural progress of self manifesting.
Tripurari is always seen associating at Rathayatra with people like Jayadvaita, who says gurus have illicit sex with men, women and children. Why is he associated with this group? Why has he not wrote papers saying that this is bogus? When is he going to clean this misconception up, that gurus "go mad" and have illicit sex with men, women and children? And why was Sridhara helping the GBC write papers like "The Mahajanas Have Difficulties" (1980) where they said even the mahajanas have problems? When are all these papers, and the Sri Guru and His Grace problems like the guru "wears a uniform" and then he is a guru, and so on ad infinitum, when are all these issues going to be clarified by Tripurari? Worse, he distributes books full of all these misconceptions. Even the Narayana people, they gave me their book "Guru Tattva," I opened it up, "there was nothing wrong with Ananta Vasudeva being the acharya in 1936," there is nothing wrong with bi-sexuals posing as gurus and murdering dissenters? So when is all this going to be clarified by Tripurari swami? ys pd
Jesus was self effulgent, and the voting for smarta Pharisees had to reject him, the voting system of Sridhara Maharaja is the same problem, when gurus are voted then the self effulgent generally has to operate outside, as most of our acharyas do, they are not able to function in the ecclessiastical system. Tripurari is still saying Sridhara and his appointed and voted guru deviated system is bona fide, so he has not rectified anything.
Sridhara Maharaja was the head of the self appointed bogu guru program, which elected Ananta Vasudeva (a bi-sexual deviant) to the post of guru. If Tripurari is now rectified and free from deviation, why is he still saying Sridhara Maharaja has the authority to promote bi-sexual deviants as acharyas in 1936, and then to advocate for more homosexuals as gurus after 1977? Clearly Tripurari is not clarifying that these are deviations, rather he is saying that support of these deviations as was done by Sridhara is bona fide.
So assuming that preachers evolve self effulgently, this process is halted by the Sridhara, Tripurari and GBC program of appointing and voting in gurus, just like the smarta guru process, which puts bogus beedi smoking fools into the post of guru all over India by caste or appointment, and the real preachers are suppressed. Even Lord Chaitanya was suppressed by the ecclessiastical guru clan. So the Sridhara Maharaja idea of guru by appointment and votes is counter acting the natural progress of self manifesting.
Tripurari is always seen associating at Rathayatra with people like Jayadvaita, who says gurus have illicit sex with men, women and children. Why is he associated with this group? Why has he not wrote papers saying that this is bogus? When is he going to clean this misconception up, that gurus "go mad" and have illicit sex with men, women and children? And why was Sridhara helping the GBC write papers like "The Mahajanas Have Difficulties" (1980) where they said even the mahajanas have problems? When are all these papers, and the Sri Guru and His Grace problems like the guru "wears a uniform" and then he is a guru, and so on ad infinitum, when are all these issues going to be clarified by Tripurari? Worse, he distributes books full of all these misconceptions. Even the Narayana people, they gave me their book "Guru Tattva," I opened it up, "there was nothing wrong with Ananta Vasudeva being the acharya in 1936," there is nothing wrong with bi-sexuals posing as gurus and murdering dissenters? So when is all this going to be clarified by Tripurari swami? ys pd
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Taking karma? (ISKCON)
Dear Abhay, Srila Prabhupada suspended sannyasa in 1977, saying they are unfit for sannyasa. According to Abhay Deolekar, once you are unfit for sannyasa, you are then qualified to be an acharya? By the way, the GBC did not suspend sannyasa, they made about 250 more, and most of them are now blooped into illicit sex. I am not sure why Abhay thinks that this whole program of illicit sex with men, women and children is the qualification of acharya? As for Radha Govinda, Srila Prabhupada never would tell one person that he wanted future gurus, he would have told the whole society that process, because that would be a society wide policy change. Srila Prabhupada also said that his disciples should not allow us to have our feet touched by others and take other people's karma, he said if we acted as guru and took others sins we would "get sick, fal down, or both." Why does Abhay think Srila Prabhupada ordered us to get sick and fall down? ys pd
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