Strange Posting on New Talavan Website

To PADA: I have never seen any iskcon temple president openly talking about his temples' ritvik community other than the temple president of Iskcon New Talavan -- he writes:

... The separatists claim that those of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples who have been empowered by the Governing Body Commission to confer initiations remain mere ritviks, which is to say, merely initiatory priests, while Srila Prabhupada himself remains the only bona fide guru. 

[PADA: All right here we go again, the first problem is the GBC documents keep saying they "empower the guru." Really? Is this done with a battery charger? Is he empowered by using magic mantras? We understand from Srila Prabhupada that the guru is empowered by Krishna, how can the GBC take over the post of -- God, and empower the guru themselves? 

OK really, God empowers the guru, but we should remove God from doing His job, and hi-jack His job and take it over ourselves? Why is the GBC always saying they have removed Krishna from doing His job, and they are taking over His job? 

Isn't this how we fell to the material world, we wanted to take over the job He does, and do it ourselves? Krishna dictates to the guru, oh never mind, the GBC kicks God out, and is now dictating to the guru, ... how does the GBC become "the dictation to the acharya," which is what Krishna is doing? 

Amazing, the GBC kicks out God and takes over His post, and they say this all the time, they are the people who empower the guru, dictate to the guru, create the guru, monitor the guru ... all of which can only be done by God. Well it seems their empowering is not working to swell, since more than half their empowered acharyas has fallen down. If you have a factory where half the products you make are faulty, you'd be out of business in no time.]    

The GBC has contemplated this position, and deems it a heresy, since it denies the guru / disciple relationship existing between Srila Prabhupada’s disciples and the newer devotees. 

[PADA: OK so the guru is eternal, sat guru, except in the GBC equation, where people have a number of gurus who fall down and then these people are "re-initiated" by the next wave of gurus. How can the guru be eternal and falling away left, right and center, all at once? That is why Jayadvaita swami himself said that getting a GBC guru is like buying a used car, "buyer beware." Did we forget to mention that used car salesmen are not usually the most trusted people in society? OK so how did the guru devolve from being sat guru, to being -- a used car? Yes, we have many buyer beware used cars here, come on down! We don't even sell you the guarantee!] 

Srila Prabhupada is the founder and acharya of ISKCON, and he remains the siksa (instructional) guru for all of us, through his books. 

[PADA: Great, so all these used car gurus are diksha gurus like Jesus and they can absorb sins like Jesus. Jesus is just like -- a used car?]

And Srila Prabhupada remains the grand spiritual master for the disciples of his disciples. As a matter unique to ISKCON, an ISKCON guru comes with a type of ‘guarantee’ attached, insofar as the guru remains accountable to the Governing Body Commission, and can be disciplined by that commission. 

[PADA: Oh here we go, the guru is foolish and needs discipline, ummm just like my neighbor's puppy has to be disciplined for urinating on the carpet? The guru is like a used car, and now --the guru is like a puppy who urinates on the carpet, he thus needs to be disciplined like a foolish puppy, simultaneously he is as pure as Jesus and he can absorb sins, this is getting better all the time!]

The ritvik followers of Srila Prabhupada do not have any kind of organized governing body that stands ready to hold anyone accountable. 

[PADA: So the guru is like a used car, and like a puppy, and like Jesus, all because the ritviks are not organized? The ritviks do not hold the guru accountable for bad behavior -- because they do not worship people who engage in bad behavior, there is no need to legislate gurus in the ritvik process.]

The ritviks lack gurus, having only apologists, and do not possess any kind of organizational structure. Prabhupada wanted the Governing Body Commission to be the ultimate governing authority in our vedantist society. After a thorough review of the controversy, the GBC determined that Srila Prabhupada did expect his disciples to fulfill the role of bona fide gurus, each one accepting his own disciples, training them, and inspiring them to enhance our Krsna consciousness movement. 

[PADA: This is a big lie, the GBC never said all of the disciples would accept disciples, they said only 11 are diksha gurus and all the rest are not? Later they said some of the GBC gurus are deviating in illicit sex, so let the system of deviants vote in more gurus? How can deviants vote in more gurus?]

The notions of the so-called ritviks stem from leadership problems that have occurred in the past within ISKCON. ....Thank you

Your servant

Yogindra Vandana Das

Temple president
http://newtalavana.org/ntt/index.htm

[PADA: Jayadvaita says that the GBC guru parampara contains illicit sex, this is not in the past, this is their eternal lineage. Hee hee, we could go on here, but there are many contrary statements here. ys pd]

Tapah Punja (former New Vrndavana henchman) at New Talavan ...