Problem of accepting a neophyte guru

Real Krishna consciousness comes from those who are really Krishna conscious

Bhakta Mark: Sorry, accepting a kanistha adhikari as one’s spiritual master is not necessarily auspicious but can be inauspicious, and thus does not guarantee a human birth. The only way to guarantee a human birth is to first be linked up to the yoga system and practice Bhakti yoga as per BG 6.41.

But does a neophyte ALWAYS link another to the Bhakti yoga system and initiate their practice? We will see what the acaryas have to say about that. It is a fact that NO neophyte has mastered spirituality, and thus cannot transmit pure transcendental knowledge, and cannot initiate another into any conception or realization past Prakrta Bhakti, or tinged and mixed materialistic devotional service. As the quotes below will show.

Neophytes can and will accept disciples, as they have since time immemorial, and will eternally within this material world, because that is one of the particular temptations and flaws inherent in a neophyte who is not accepting the guidance of an uttama adhikari, or a madhyama under that uttama’s guidance.

Our exemplar uttama acarya, Srila Prabhupada, pointed out the obvious. That a neophyte can accept disciples as easily as a person can breathe by inhaling from their lungs, yet in the same breath SP gives his authorized declaration of what an aspirant faced with such a choice SHOULD be careful TO DO.

“Therefore, a disciple SHOULD be careful to accept an uttama-adhikari (first-class devotee) as a spiritual master.”

And then offers a PROHIBITION against any other choice. Pay attention to the words MUST and SHOULD NOT and ONLY …ELIGIBLE.

“One SHOULD NOT become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari (first-class devotee).” -- Nectar of Instruction 5, Purport

“The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. . . ONLY such a person is ELIGIBLE to occupy the post of a guru.” -- Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita Madhya 24.330, Purport

And why is this? ” it should be understood that they (aspiring disciple) cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his (neophyte’s) insufficient guidance” (NOI 5)

AND FOR THOSE WHO WISH FOR SRILA PRABHUPADA TO EXPLAIN THESE “DRACONIAN PROHIBITIONS”?

SP -- “The third-class devotee engages in devotional service according to the directions of the spiritual master, OR ENGAGES OUT OF FAMILY TRADITION, and worships the Deity of the Lord, but he is not cultivated in knowledge of devotional service, and HE DOES NOT KNOW A DEVOTEE FROM A NON-DEVOTEE, SUCH A THIRD-CLASS DEVOTEE CANNOT ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERED A PURE DEVOTEE; HE IS ALMOST IN THE DEVOTIONAL LINE, BUT HIS POSITION IS NOT VERY SECURE.” (TLC 11)

My comment. Remember, neophytes are not even in the pure devotional line yet.

SP -- “The third-class devotees or the neophytes, who have no knowledge and are not detached from material association, but who are simply attracted by the preliminary process of worshiping the Deity in the temple, are called material devotees. Material devotees are more attached to material benefit than transcendental profit. Therefore, one has to make definite progress from the position of material devotional service to the second-class devotional position.” -- Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.12, Purport

My comment. A neophyte HAS TO make DEFINITE progress to the second class position, and NEVER CAN OR WILL under the INSUFFICIENT GUIDANCE OF A NEOPHYTE SO CALLED GURU.

and finally.

SP -- “One has to raise himself at least to the stage of a second-class devotee and thus become eligible to know the Absolute Truth. A third-class devotee, therefore, has to receive the instructions of devotional service from the authoritative sources of Bhagavata. The number one Bhagavata is the established personality of devotee, and the other Bhagavatam is the message of Godhead. The third-class devotee therefore has to go to the personality of devotee in order to learn the instructions of devotional service.” -- Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.12, Purport

GET THAT? The personality of devotee cannot possibly be a neophyte. A neophyte cannot be considered the “PERSON BHAGAVATA”

NEVER. NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS.

So, we have someone who is not in the devotional line, who is a materialistic person, who has possibly ignored the orders of the Mahabhagavat Acarya, and if not is simply following the advice of some other neophyte so called guru and accepting disciples that they cannot even bring to the second class platform, and what do we call this? Thus this is MORE THAN LIKELY JUST “The spiritual master business.”

“There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.”.

“Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, Kali-cela. He indicates that there are other Vaishnavas, pseudo-Vaishnavas, with tilaka on their nose and kunti beads around their neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava”. (CC.Madhy.,Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport)

PSEUDO GURUS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS

"The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession.

"THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”--and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Isopanisad 12)

"SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION. (Bg.16.19-20)

Yet, Bhakta George Smith INSISTS that a neophyte guru and his uninitiated neophyte disciples are Guaranteed a human form of life.

But the influence of a psuedo religionist/ pseudo Vaisnava (AKA neophyte so called Guru) may have no bearing whatsoever upon whether or not an aspirant to the devotional line takes a human birth in their next life of not. At the end of their life they have just as much chance of remembering the best sex they ever had with a goat, as they are remembering the holy names of the Lord.

Considering an animal life on earth is a better position than a birth in the most obnoxious place in the universe, perhaps George and others of this ilk would like to change their mind about his conclusion. And perhaps finally issue a retraction to his claim that Srila Prabhupada “GAVE PERMISSION” for Neophytes to become Diksa gurus and accept disciples.

The promoters of neophyte acharyas are now risking their own descent to dark regions due to stubborn pride.

Hare Krsna

ys B.Mark

[PADA: Well said! Of course people who are engaged in illicit sex, drugs, sexual predator behaviors, criminal actions etc. are not even kanisthas, or neophyte bhaktas of any level, they are deviants posing as messiahs, which is also why they are destined to go to a lower birth. And in the case of the GBC, almost all of them have supported and sometimes reinstated their worst case degraded messiahs, so they are all implicated in the karma chakra of this process. ys pd]