PADA: Bhakta Shishir Katote (a disciple of Bhakti Vikas swami?) has recently become a prominent defender of the GBC's guru system, a system that is constantly being defended on their ONEISKCON site. He claims to have all kinds of wonderful realizations of various elaborate and esoteric sanskrit writings. For example, he claims to be examining -- and teaching us less scholarly fools about -- the writings of the Six Goswamis, and other Vaishnava acharyas. OK sounds like a great scholar, right? Yet, how would Bhakta Shishir Kapote have defeated me, when I was only 12 years old?
When I was 12 years old, I had very little spiritual realizations for sure, as did all my other 12 years old friends and associates. Yet there was one thing we ALL did know, that the successors to God, the acharyas, the gurus, the messiahs, they must ALSO be as pure as God. We were trained like that as children, that the messiah is "The Son of God."
Hence -- the Son of God -- would have the SAME qualities of the father (i.e. divine purity). So we were trained like that starting out when we were teeny little tykes in the Church, that the the Son of God is as pure as God. Therefore, the guru, the acharya, the successor of God, the messiah, he must also be qualitatively like God. I knew that fully when I was only 12. Apparently, no one ever told Bhakta Shishir that the successor to God -- MUST ALSO BE -- as pure as God, including his current GBC guru?
Now along comes Bhakta Shisihir Kapote, and he says our idea is wrong. He says, we have to work with the GBC's guru system, where their messiahs are often "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" (and drugs, and shooting guns, and teaching about wearing condoms, and going gambling in Vegas and so on). And this degraded standard for their messiahs is pretty much agreed upon by ISKCON's biggest scholars, writers and editors like -- Jayadvaita swami.
OK, now suppose I was 12 again, and someone told me, the messiahs from heaven are most of the time fallen, and even engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? First of all, at 12 years old, I'd probably laugh my socks off at the sheer stupidity and utter foolishness of the idea that God's successors are total debauchees. What kind of fools would assert that God's successors are party animals of the worst order?
At least at 12 I had some theoretical idea about illicit sex with men, women and children, and I knew that this was VERY sinful behavior that was not even considered as bona fide good behavior -- even by the ordinary mundane citizens. This was considered as low-class degradation, and not as the behavior of saints. Now I suddenly have to listen to a sanskrit scholar tell me that his debauchery guru program is bona fide, when I knew that was totally foolish, degraded and -- an abomination and insult to God -- when I was only 12?
And even at 12, I would also be angry at the total disregard for God, by saying His messiahs are a pack of debauchees. There is no such thing as acharyas being "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" in the writings of any Vedic scholars? No religion on earth teaches that the successors to God are most of the time, debauchees.
Even in the cannibal society, they do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children as their messiahs and saints? When is Bhakta Shishir going to catch up to my level, when I was only 12? Clearly he cannot defeat any of this or he would have answered me a long time ago about this. He cannot reply, he has been totally defeated, and he would be defeated even now by almost any 12 year old child in the USA, or even the children or cannibals could defeat him. In sum, there is no such thing as the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children, it does not exist anywhere, except in Bhakta Shishir's bogus concocted messiah's project. When is Bhakta Shishir going to wake up and admit his entire program is -- wrong? ys pd
When I was 12 years old, I had very little spiritual realizations for sure, as did all my other 12 years old friends and associates. Yet there was one thing we ALL did know, that the successors to God, the acharyas, the gurus, the messiahs, they must ALSO be as pure as God. We were trained like that as children, that the messiah is "The Son of God."
Hence -- the Son of God -- would have the SAME qualities of the father (i.e. divine purity). So we were trained like that starting out when we were teeny little tykes in the Church, that the the Son of God is as pure as God. Therefore, the guru, the acharya, the successor of God, the messiah, he must also be qualitatively like God. I knew that fully when I was only 12. Apparently, no one ever told Bhakta Shishir that the successor to God -- MUST ALSO BE -- as pure as God, including his current GBC guru?
Now along comes Bhakta Shisihir Kapote, and he says our idea is wrong. He says, we have to work with the GBC's guru system, where their messiahs are often "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" (and drugs, and shooting guns, and teaching about wearing condoms, and going gambling in Vegas and so on). And this degraded standard for their messiahs is pretty much agreed upon by ISKCON's biggest scholars, writers and editors like -- Jayadvaita swami.
OK, now suppose I was 12 again, and someone told me, the messiahs from heaven are most of the time fallen, and even engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? First of all, at 12 years old, I'd probably laugh my socks off at the sheer stupidity and utter foolishness of the idea that God's successors are total debauchees. What kind of fools would assert that God's successors are party animals of the worst order?
At least at 12 I had some theoretical idea about illicit sex with men, women and children, and I knew that this was VERY sinful behavior that was not even considered as bona fide good behavior -- even by the ordinary mundane citizens. This was considered as low-class degradation, and not as the behavior of saints. Now I suddenly have to listen to a sanskrit scholar tell me that his debauchery guru program is bona fide, when I knew that was totally foolish, degraded and -- an abomination and insult to God -- when I was only 12?
And even at 12, I would also be angry at the total disregard for God, by saying His messiahs are a pack of debauchees. There is no such thing as acharyas being "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" in the writings of any Vedic scholars? No religion on earth teaches that the successors to God are most of the time, debauchees.
Even in the cannibal society, they do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children as their messiahs and saints? When is Bhakta Shishir going to catch up to my level, when I was only 12? Clearly he cannot defeat any of this or he would have answered me a long time ago about this. He cannot reply, he has been totally defeated, and he would be defeated even now by almost any 12 year old child in the USA, or even the children or cannibals could defeat him. In sum, there is no such thing as the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children, it does not exist anywhere, except in Bhakta Shishir's bogus concocted messiah's project. When is Bhakta Shishir going to wake up and admit his entire program is -- wrong? ys pd
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