Rupanuga / Palaka / Rocana /etc. 10/22/12

WORM: Puranjana, why don't you read this nice article by Rupanuga prabhu? Can you find any fault in it? Then why harp on character assassination of someone who is writing so nicely to protect Prabhupada's books.

PADA: I have read all of Rupanuga's writings and moreover had personal dealings with him in 1985-6. He was a member of the 1986 "guru reform" committee. I asked him then and ask him now, what is a reformed guru? Why is he still saying the books are not giving diksha, which is what he said since 1977, and so on, and he never answered? I am not character assassinating anyone, these are points of siddhanta i.e. there is no such thing as a guru reform and the books are still giving divyam jnanam which destroys sins aka diksha, this has nothing to do with personalities, these are points of siddhanta. The problem here is simple, even Bhakti Caru speaks just like Rupanuga's article here SOME OF THE TIME, but then he writes another countermanding article, as does Rupanuga. ys pd

CHANDRA DASA: I read the whole letter good valid points.

PADA: Agreed Rupanuga's one letter is good, but we must remember its written the context of Rupanuga's many other writings and statements, which I have asked about for 30 years, and not got a proper reply, ever. ys pd

CHANDRA DASA: perhaps a new start ,hm give peace a chance,a change of heart,a ilttle softeness.

PALAKA DASA: Pd Prabhu sorry your phone conversation with Rupanuga Prabhu wasn't recorded for all to hear . Personally I think you just have an axe to grind with the entirely wrong devotee .

PADA: I am at peace with everything, I am simply saying siddhanta is either properly based or its not. This is about siddhanta. I am not grinding any axes, these are points of siddhanta (a) there was never any such thing as a 50 man guru reform committee before 1986, (b) there is no substance the claim that the books are not able to give divyam jnanam which destroys sins, which means Srila Prabhupada is still the diksha guru. We just had our 20 centers in Russia and 4 in Ukraine meetings, they have Srila Prabhupada as their diksha guru, Rupanuga says they do not, well he is wrong thats all.

So when Rupanuga says we are not making new diksha disciples of Sria Prabhupada, he is just out of touch with the real preaching that is going on, we are making thousands of them all over the world. So this is really an issue of siddhanta. (A) We are saying Srila Prabhupada is the current diksha guru, and we are thus making thousands of new disciples ON THAT PLATFORM OF SIDDHANTA for him. Whereas (B) Rupanuga says Srila Prabhupada is not giving diksha.

PALAKA DASA: Oh so now sheer mathematics mitigates all else . Have you studied this yet ?http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/guru-tattva/dor/dor-index.htm

PADA: So this is rather amazing, our brand new disciples of Srila Prabhupada have more faith in him than his "originals" like Rupanuga and so on. Our new people are preaching about the glories of their diksha guru Srila Prabhupada, and Palaka is trying to stop them, that means Palaka is against Srila Prabhupada being their diksha guru. Good thing our people avoid the faithless. As for Rocana, he is always posting things about the Gaudiya Matha / Mayesvara, and we all know that Rupangua was persoanlly told to make sure this Gaudiya Matha living guru out cropping would not occur in his ISKCON. He failed to make sure that would not occur. Rocana also says that Srila Prabhupada is the posthumous / post samadhi guru, this is very offensive for starters, why is Palaka citing this man? 

Palaka has also failed to explain why our thousands of people are enlivened while Rocana has no followers, no temples, no preaching, no books, no nothing at all, why is nothing better than our something? This sounds like sunnyavada, nothingness is better than something? We have a nice temple in Sunnyvale and they had so many people there on Janmastmi we had to wait 45 minutes to get through the line to see the deity, Rocana has no temple, no darshan, nada, and Palaka thinks Rocana's nothingness program is better than our program of Prabhupada pooja? ys pd