Responses to Ajamila das on Female Diksha Guru Issue
BY: SUN STAFF Oct 28, 2012 — CANADA (SUN) —
Text PAMHO:24267486 (112 lines)
From: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)
Date: 28-Oct-12 12:21 (17:51 +0530)
To: ISKCON India (news & discussion)
To: ISKCON Prabhupada Disciples
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Home Base: ISKCON Baroda
Dear Readers,
Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Since Ajamila Prabhu has taken it upon himself to employ slander and character assassination as techniques for winning the debate on the question of female diksha guru, by doing so, he's disqualifying himself from the debate. For that he owes an apology to Shyamasundara Prabhu and myself.
He ought to have stuck to ideology and solid argument in this regard. It is sad that he seems to have "gone ballistic" instead of maintaining a "cool head". By his writings it seems that he's declaring himself "the all knowing God", instead of understanding that he, like we, are "tiny jivas"! The SAC presented their paper on the topic of FDGs, and they felt it wise not to include such weak examples (as Ajamila Prabhu has presesnted) to support the FDG concept.
[PADA: Notice that Bhasu Ghosha and his SAC "Shastric Adivsory Committee" are the "shastric advisors" of the GBC's gurus. Which previous acharyas needed to be advised by a committee? That means Basu Ghosha thinks he is superior to the acharyas because -- he is their advisor? There are simply no examples from shastra of any of our acharyas needing to be steered and directed by a Governing Body committee?]
BG: The ISKCON India Regional Governing body (IRGB) passed a resolution in 2010, response to the GBC resolution 305 of 2009, calling for suspension of the said resolution, and for continued discussion on the topic of FDGs.
But this is clearly not what Srila Prabhupada did or wanted. Check the uncompromising evidence below for yourself. Herein you are presented with overwhelming irrefutable evidence that Srila Prabhupada wanted his beloved spiritual daughters to initiate disciples. He certainly did not want them to be trashed in Talaban fashion as is the case with an unfortunate small group of devotees who are absolutely BENT upon repressing any qualified female devotee from becoming a diksha guru, even to the extent of defying Srila Prabhupada's explicit instructions not to do so.
[PADA: Where did Srila Prabhupada instruct anyone to become a diksha guru?]
Srila Prabhupada's emphasis was on QUALIFICATION not GENDER, see the 100% proof of that below.
[PADA: And the GBC says gurus engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, how is this the qualification of gurus?]
Below is but some of the most significant evidence:
[PADA: But your process does not allow all the disciples to preach, only those few eleven and those voted in by the eleven are allowed facility. Others are banned, beat and even assassinated if they are not within the elite group.]
BY: SUN STAFF Oct 28, 2012 — CANADA (SUN) —
Text PAMHO:24267486 (112 lines)
From: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)
Date: 28-Oct-12 12:21 (17:51 +0530)
To: ISKCON India (news & discussion)
To: ISKCON Prabhupada Disciples
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Home Base: ISKCON Baroda
Dear Readers,
Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Since Ajamila Prabhu has taken it upon himself to employ slander and character assassination as techniques for winning the debate on the question of female diksha guru, by doing so, he's disqualifying himself from the debate. For that he owes an apology to Shyamasundara Prabhu and myself.
He ought to have stuck to ideology and solid argument in this regard. It is sad that he seems to have "gone ballistic" instead of maintaining a "cool head". By his writings it seems that he's declaring himself "the all knowing God", instead of understanding that he, like we, are "tiny jivas"! The SAC presented their paper on the topic of FDGs, and they felt it wise not to include such weak examples (as Ajamila Prabhu has presesnted) to support the FDG concept.
[PADA: Notice that Bhasu Ghosha and his SAC "Shastric Adivsory Committee" are the "shastric advisors" of the GBC's gurus. Which previous acharyas needed to be advised by a committee? That means Basu Ghosha thinks he is superior to the acharyas because -- he is their advisor? There are simply no examples from shastra of any of our acharyas needing to be steered and directed by a Governing Body committee?]
BG: The ISKCON India Regional Governing body (IRGB) passed a resolution in 2010, response to the GBC resolution 305 of 2009, calling for suspension of the said resolution, and for continued discussion on the topic of FDGs.
[PADA: A "continuation of the discussion" about making women gurus, which was not resolved in the past 30 years? If you did not know if women are supposed to be gurus (or not) in the first place, how can you make women into gurus now? How come Basu Ghosha thinks the GBC makes / creates gurus by a "2/3 show of hands vote" at all? How is that Srila Prabhupada's shastra says Krishna makes (empowers) the gurus "acharyam mam vijnaniyam," but now Bhasu Ghosha says this is wrong, Basu Ghosha claims he is the person making gurus, and not Krishna?]
BG: The resolution of the IRGB challenged the GBC resolution (and not Rochana Das of the Sampradaya Sun website) and answered the GBC resolution in a respectful and thorough way. Therefore, I'm sending across the IRGB resolution mentioned herein above, for the knowledge and reference of all readers of this text. The IRGB resolution is being taken very seriously by several GBC members and is being formally submitted as a GBC proposal by Bhakti Purushottam Swami (belatedly).
To learn more about the erstwhile GHQ, which was a group of devotees who were -- and still are -- concerned about the cultural and moral direction being taken in ISKCON, read the article "notes from a think tank" that extensively answered the charges that Ajamila Prabhu has decided is the best way to "win the debate" on FDG, 13 years ago, at the following place on the internet (URL): http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9902/ET21-3119.html
[PADA: Oh boy, here we go again, a think tank that produces gurus?]
Also note that Ajamila Prabhu's close friend Goloka Chandra Prabhu from Malaysia was also a member of the GHQ! ;-) Here are some more questions for Ajamila Prabhu and other proponents of female diksha guru:
1. Did Srila Prabhupada want to establish Daivai Varnashrama in ISKCON or not?
[PADA: Varnsrama Dharma is for organizing a society, whereas the GBC process of making acharyas and messiahs by a system of "2/3 show of hands GBC votes" is not part of any bona fide process?]
2. If yes then women must follow dVAD program.
3. Are brahmacaris in ISKCON expected to follow brahmacari dharma?
4. Are grhastas in ISKCON expected to follow grhasta dharma?
5. Are sannyasis in ISKCON expected to follow sannyasi dharma?
6. If answer is "yes" then why women in ISKCON not expected to follow Stri Dharma?
7. If answer is "No" why is it if a sannyasi in ISKCON doesn't follow sannyasa dharma he has to give up his position, etc., as in recent case of Prabhavisnu Prabhu.
BG: The resolution of the IRGB challenged the GBC resolution (and not Rochana Das of the Sampradaya Sun website) and answered the GBC resolution in a respectful and thorough way. Therefore, I'm sending across the IRGB resolution mentioned herein above, for the knowledge and reference of all readers of this text. The IRGB resolution is being taken very seriously by several GBC members and is being formally submitted as a GBC proposal by Bhakti Purushottam Swami (belatedly).
To learn more about the erstwhile GHQ, which was a group of devotees who were -- and still are -- concerned about the cultural and moral direction being taken in ISKCON, read the article "notes from a think tank" that extensively answered the charges that Ajamila Prabhu has decided is the best way to "win the debate" on FDG, 13 years ago, at the following place on the internet (URL): http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9902/ET21-3119.html
[PADA: Oh boy, here we go again, a think tank that produces gurus?]
Also note that Ajamila Prabhu's close friend Goloka Chandra Prabhu from Malaysia was also a member of the GHQ! ;-) Here are some more questions for Ajamila Prabhu and other proponents of female diksha guru:
1. Did Srila Prabhupada want to establish Daivai Varnashrama in ISKCON or not?
[PADA: Varnsrama Dharma is for organizing a society, whereas the GBC process of making acharyas and messiahs by a system of "2/3 show of hands GBC votes" is not part of any bona fide process?]
2. If yes then women must follow dVAD program.
3. Are brahmacaris in ISKCON expected to follow brahmacari dharma?
4. Are grhastas in ISKCON expected to follow grhasta dharma?
5. Are sannyasis in ISKCON expected to follow sannyasi dharma?
6. If answer is "yes" then why women in ISKCON not expected to follow Stri Dharma?
7. If answer is "No" why is it if a sannyasi in ISKCON doesn't follow sannyasa dharma he has to give up his position, etc., as in recent case of Prabhavisnu Prabhu.
[PADA: Prabhavishnu swami has not been advertised as "a sannyasa in varnasrama"? Rather he has been advertised as a self-realized parampara acharya. Now the GBC says it is common for such acharyas to fall down, but that is not what shastra says, shastra says it is forbidden to consider acharyas as ordinary fallen men?]
BG: The GBC had, during 2008, passed a resolution calling for "annotations and footnotes in Srila Prabhupada's books". Action that is still supported by Hridayananda Maharaj, for example. After a public outcry from many devotees, headed by Nrsimhananda Prabhu, a petition on the internet that I was closely associated with, and rejection of the resolution by the BBT and Jayadvaita Maharaj, the resolution was rescinded by further resolution during 2009.
BG: The GBC had, during 2008, passed a resolution calling for "annotations and footnotes in Srila Prabhupada's books". Action that is still supported by Hridayananda Maharaj, for example. After a public outcry from many devotees, headed by Nrsimhananda Prabhu, a petition on the internet that I was closely associated with, and rejection of the resolution by the BBT and Jayadvaita Maharaj, the resolution was rescinded by further resolution during 2009.
[PADA: OK, but why is the GBC allowing its acharyas to speculate that we need to annotate (re-write) the books in the first place? Why are not those who want to change the books removed from posts of authority?]
BG: The GBC resolution 305 of 2009 calling for FDGs, similarly was passed without proper consideration and ought to be rescinded as well.
BG: The GBC resolution 305 of 2009 calling for FDGs, similarly was passed without proper consideration and ought to be rescinded as well.
[PADA: OK you folks are voting in all kinds of bogus things all the time, as well as voting for bogus gurus without consideration, and now you are making female guru resolutions without consideration, why not study these issues before you make all these resolutions?]
BG: The issue of FDG is very serious -- one that will effect the future of ISKCON for long. The cursory view of the subject that is being presented by Ajamila Prabhu and Kaunteya Prabhu does NOT do justice to the issue. ISKCON is in serious threat of going the way of the sahajiya apa-sampradyas if we do not seriously consider the objections to FDG that are being raised in reference to numerous instructions given by Prabhupada clearly in this regard.
Hope this meets you all well. das,
Basu Ghosh Das
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Letter PAMHO:24266059 (252 lines) [M1]
From: Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK)
Date: 28-Oct-12 02:39 (10:39 +0800)
Bcc: ISKCON India (news & discussion) [9848]
Bcc: ISKCON Prabhupada Disciples [1831]
Bcc: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [151964]
Subject: Rocan's REPRESSION of SP's spiritual daughters sastricaly exposed
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Dear Devotees, pamho agtsp. Hare Krishna!
BG: The issue of FDG is very serious -- one that will effect the future of ISKCON for long. The cursory view of the subject that is being presented by Ajamila Prabhu and Kaunteya Prabhu does NOT do justice to the issue. ISKCON is in serious threat of going the way of the sahajiya apa-sampradyas if we do not seriously consider the objections to FDG that are being raised in reference to numerous instructions given by Prabhupada clearly in this regard.
Hope this meets you all well. das,
Basu Ghosh Das
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Letter PAMHO:24266059 (252 lines) [M1]
From: Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK)
Date: 28-Oct-12 02:39 (10:39 +0800)
Bcc: ISKCON India (news & discussion) [9848]
Bcc: ISKCON Prabhupada Disciples [1831]
Bcc: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [151964]
Subject: Rocan's REPRESSION of SP's spiritual daughters sastricaly exposed
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Dear Devotees, pamho agtsp. Hare Krishna!
The GBC had, according to sastric verification, passed a resolution in 2009 that any qualified female devotee can become a diksha guru in ISKCON. This was very much welcomed by almost all the ISKCON devotees worldwide.
[PADA: No the "female guru by GBC voting process" was not welcomed, rather it was pointed out that most of the men who have ALREADY been voted in as gurus by this process have failed. So this is another set up for more failed gurus, albeit those in a female body.]
However, a very vocal small group of devotees who named themselves GHQ (military term for general head quarters), headed by Shyamasundar Dasa, who claims to be an astrolger, have for many years been very heavily scorning any qualified woman in ISKCON who would even think of becoming a diksha guru.
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Letter PAMHO:24266816 (322 lines) [M1]
From: Internet: "William G. Benedict"
Date: 28-Oct-12 08:50 (01:50 -0700)
To: Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK) [33239] (received: 28-Oct-12 09:29)
Bcc: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [151992]
Reference: Text PAMHO:24266059 by Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK)
Attached: 24266816.eml (40813 bytes) "Original email file"
Subject: Re: Rocan's REPRESSION of SP's spiritual daughters sastricaly exposed
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My Dear Ajamila,
[PADA: No the "female guru by GBC voting process" was not welcomed, rather it was pointed out that most of the men who have ALREADY been voted in as gurus by this process have failed. So this is another set up for more failed gurus, albeit those in a female body.]
However, a very vocal small group of devotees who named themselves GHQ (military term for general head quarters), headed by Shyamasundar Dasa, who claims to be an astrolger, have for many years been very heavily scorning any qualified woman in ISKCON who would even think of becoming a diksha guru.
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Letter PAMHO:24266816 (322 lines) [M1]
From: Internet: "William G. Benedict"
Date: 28-Oct-12 08:50 (01:50 -0700)
To: Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK) [33239] (received: 28-Oct-12 09:29)
Bcc: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [151992]
Reference: Text PAMHO:24266059 by Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK)
Attached: 24266816.eml (40813 bytes) "Original email file"
Subject: Re: Rocan's REPRESSION of SP's spiritual daughters sastricaly exposed
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My Dear Ajamila,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to His Divine Grace Srla Prabhupada! Param Vijayate Sri Krishna Samkirtan! It seems that you are being irrational and illogical in your approach to the subject of female diksha gurus. If you study the subject with a level head -- instead of writing as if you are God's only messenger on Earth -- a present day Jesus, Lord Chaitanya or Avatar of the absolute -- you might be able to begin to understand the subject matter here.
When Prabhupada wrote: "Suniti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Maharaja's diksha-guru." in his purport to SBj 4.12.32, what do you think he meant by the words "being a woman" and then "could not be Dhruva Maharaj's diksha guru"?
[PADA: Bhakta dasa is a Gaudiya Matha follower. He told us we need to follow people like BV Puri Maharaja. And now the Gaudiya Matha's folks are advising the GBC? And Bhakta dasa compares the GBC's illicit sex guru's program to Suniti, the mother of Dhruva? Why is this fool allowed to speak at all? What does Suniti have to do with Bhakta and his illicit sex acharyas programs? Bhakta dasa's gurus are most of the time found engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and then he says this is just like Suniti being the guru of Dhruva? This is the most offensive writing we have seen in a long time, which is why the GBC allows this fool on their forums and we are banned, because we will defend Suniti.]
BD: I find the "evidence" of one conversation, when compared with the entire body of Srila Prabhupada's books, lectures, and other conversations to be flimsy. Prabhupada always talked about women being protected and never independent. Did he not? Whereas a Brahman must be always independent, otherwise he cannot maintain truthfulness, the principle of being a Brahmin. To give Gayatra and Sacred thread, it is not the position of women in society. Where is the historic example of this?
When Prabhupada wrote: "Suniti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Maharaja's diksha-guru." in his purport to SBj 4.12.32, what do you think he meant by the words "being a woman" and then "could not be Dhruva Maharaj's diksha guru"?
[PADA: Bhakta dasa is a Gaudiya Matha follower. He told us we need to follow people like BV Puri Maharaja. And now the Gaudiya Matha's folks are advising the GBC? And Bhakta dasa compares the GBC's illicit sex guru's program to Suniti, the mother of Dhruva? Why is this fool allowed to speak at all? What does Suniti have to do with Bhakta and his illicit sex acharyas programs? Bhakta dasa's gurus are most of the time found engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and then he says this is just like Suniti being the guru of Dhruva? This is the most offensive writing we have seen in a long time, which is why the GBC allows this fool on their forums and we are banned, because we will defend Suniti.]
BD: I find the "evidence" of one conversation, when compared with the entire body of Srila Prabhupada's books, lectures, and other conversations to be flimsy. Prabhupada always talked about women being protected and never independent. Did he not? Whereas a Brahman must be always independent, otherwise he cannot maintain truthfulness, the principle of being a Brahmin. To give Gayatra and Sacred thread, it is not the position of women in society. Where is the historic example of this?
[PADA: The Gaudiya Matha mada homosexuals into gurus, and so has the GBC, so the historical parallels are, they both made deviants into their gurus.]
Gangamata Goswami, is a very unique case in history, and the wife of Lord Nitayananda apparently did not give diksha at all, although she was a leader of the Vaisnavas. But was she even JIVA TATTVA? I have read that she displayed four armed forms at times and is actually shakti tattva? This is an important issue, and rarely to I feel strongly on issues, but this for me is important, more than the other guru issues we have been over in the past.
I hope you may reconsider you strong views.
Pray you are well.
Your servant,
Bhakta dasa (ACBSP)
https://www.facebook.com/Bhakta.dasa
www.aromaxthai.com
[PADA: What does the wife of Nityananda have to do with Bhakta and his illicit sex messiah program?]
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From: Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK)
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: Rocan's REPRESSION of SP's spiritual daughters sastricaly exposed
Dear Devotees, pamho agtsp. Hare Krishna!
The GBC had, according to sastric verification, passed a resolution in 2009 that any qualified female devotee can become a diksha guru in ISKCON. This was very much welcomed by almost all the ISKCON devotees worldwide.
[PADA: No, it was viewed as more rubber stamped conditioned souls posing as acharyas?]
However, a very vocal small group of devotees who named themselves GHQ (military term for general head quarters), headed by Shyamasundar Dasa, who claims to be an astrolger, have for many years been very heavily scorning any qualified woman in ISKCON who would even think of becoming a diksha guru.
Recently Rocan dasa (hiding behind a phantom name of Krishna Devi Dasi) wrote and circulated a paper campaigning for the 2009 GBC Resolution to allow female diksha gurus to be WITHDRAWN. This demand is of course in total ignorance of Srila Prabhupada's crystal clear instructions provided herein below that he definitely 100% wanted his qualified spiritual daughters to initiate disciples.
Rocan dasa, the head of the nonSUNce Sampradaya website, criticises ISKCON and the GBC at every chance making it his goal of life. Both Rocana and Shyamasundara's GHQ Group vociferously object that such highly qualified women should always keep quiet and stay out of sight, and just stick to Stree Dharma, in a way that is not too much different from how the Taliban treat even young 13 year old women who want an education. Such loud mouthed devotees have extensively campaigned to repress the immense wealth of our qualified ISKCON women, and as a result such highly advanced spiritual daughters of Srila Prabhupada have suffered such intimidating phsycological repression for many, many years and so we have lost the benefits of their full preaching potential.
I hope you may reconsider you strong views.
Pray you are well.
Your servant,
Bhakta dasa (ACBSP)
https://www.facebook.com/Bhakta.dasa
www.aromaxthai.com
[PADA: What does the wife of Nityananda have to do with Bhakta and his illicit sex messiah program?]
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From: Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK)
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: Rocan's REPRESSION of SP's spiritual daughters sastricaly exposed
Dear Devotees, pamho agtsp. Hare Krishna!
The GBC had, according to sastric verification, passed a resolution in 2009 that any qualified female devotee can become a diksha guru in ISKCON. This was very much welcomed by almost all the ISKCON devotees worldwide.
[PADA: No, it was viewed as more rubber stamped conditioned souls posing as acharyas?]
However, a very vocal small group of devotees who named themselves GHQ (military term for general head quarters), headed by Shyamasundar Dasa, who claims to be an astrolger, have for many years been very heavily scorning any qualified woman in ISKCON who would even think of becoming a diksha guru.
Recently Rocan dasa (hiding behind a phantom name of Krishna Devi Dasi) wrote and circulated a paper campaigning for the 2009 GBC Resolution to allow female diksha gurus to be WITHDRAWN. This demand is of course in total ignorance of Srila Prabhupada's crystal clear instructions provided herein below that he definitely 100% wanted his qualified spiritual daughters to initiate disciples.
Rocan dasa, the head of the nonSUNce Sampradaya website, criticises ISKCON and the GBC at every chance making it his goal of life. Both Rocana and Shyamasundara's GHQ Group vociferously object that such highly qualified women should always keep quiet and stay out of sight, and just stick to Stree Dharma, in a way that is not too much different from how the Taliban treat even young 13 year old women who want an education. Such loud mouthed devotees have extensively campaigned to repress the immense wealth of our qualified ISKCON women, and as a result such highly advanced spiritual daughters of Srila Prabhupada have suffered such intimidating phsycological repression for many, many years and so we have lost the benefits of their full preaching potential.
[PADA: Rubber stamping of gurus, whether male or female, hurts the preaching. In any case, women have been suppressed by the ISKCON leaders who have meanwhile been promoting the worship of illicit sex, so adding women to this program does not help. We need to GET RID of the people who have been suppressing the women FIRST of all.]
But this is clearly not what Srila Prabhupada did or wanted. Check the uncompromising evidence below for yourself. Herein you are presented with overwhelming irrefutable evidence that Srila Prabhupada wanted his beloved spiritual daughters to initiate disciples. He certainly did not want them to be trashed in Talaban fashion as is the case with an unfortunate small group of devotees who are absolutely BENT upon repressing any qualified female devotee from becoming a diksha guru, even to the extent of defying Srila Prabhupada's explicit instructions not to do so.
[PADA: Where did Srila Prabhupada instruct anyone to become a diksha guru?]
Srila Prabhupada's emphasis was on QUALIFICATION not GENDER, see the 100% proof of that below.
[PADA: And the GBC says gurus engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, how is this the qualification of gurus?]
Below is but some of the most significant evidence:
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Toronto, June 18, 1976
Interview with Professors O'Connell, Motilal and Shivaram --
Prof. O'Connell: Is it possible, Swamiji, for a woman to be a guru in the line of disciplic succession?
Prabhupada: Yes. Jahnava devi was-Nityananda's wife.
Prabhupada: In our material world, is it any prohibition that woman cannot become professor? If she is qualified, she can become professor. What is the wrong there? She must be qualified. That is the position. So similarly, if the woman understands Krsna consciousness perfectly, she can become guru.
[PADA: So when a woman joins the GBC and agrees that acharyas are engaged in illicit sex, then she is qualified to be a guru herself?]
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Srila Prabhupada clearly states that QUALIFICATION is the determining factor, not GENDER. It is crystal clear.
Letter to Hamsaduta on Jan 3, 1969:
"I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
[PADA: And after 1977 the GBC kicked out all of the disciples and they said only eleven are going to be gurus? But this letter says all the disciples, whereas the GBC says only eleven?]
Toronto, June 18, 1976
Interview with Professors O'Connell, Motilal and Shivaram --
Prof. O'Connell: Is it possible, Swamiji, for a woman to be a guru in the line of disciplic succession?
Prabhupada: Yes. Jahnava devi was-Nityananda's wife.
Prabhupada: In our material world, is it any prohibition that woman cannot become professor? If she is qualified, she can become professor. What is the wrong there? She must be qualified. That is the position. So similarly, if the woman understands Krsna consciousness perfectly, she can become guru.
[PADA: So when a woman joins the GBC and agrees that acharyas are engaged in illicit sex, then she is qualified to be a guru herself?]
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Srila Prabhupada clearly states that QUALIFICATION is the determining factor, not GENDER. It is crystal clear.
Letter to Hamsaduta on Jan 3, 1969:
"I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
[PADA: And after 1977 the GBC kicked out all of the disciples and they said only eleven are going to be gurus? But this letter says all the disciples, whereas the GBC says only eleven?]
Srila Prabhupada says ALL my disciples, EVERYONE should become spiritual master. He never ever excluded the women except when referring to ancient Stree Dharma which he subsequently overrided as verified herein.
[PADA: But your process does not allow all the disciples to preach, only those few eleven and those voted in by the eleven are allowed facility. Others are banned, beat and even assassinated if they are not within the elite group.]
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