Hare Krsna, dear devotees,
The timing of this presents an extra challenge because another resident pujari team member is scheduled to leave Wednesday. Therefore we are looking for brahminical devotees to offer cooking and deity worship services. The temple provides prasadam and housing. The temple is not situated to provide green cards or visas.
The devotee must have a team spirit, be mentally, physically, and spiritually healthy, and must not be inclined to drama or politics.
PB: In Laguna Beach Temple local Indian community take care of everything. If I lived there would wake the deities as often as possible. Can't see why local Prabhupada disciples wouldn't also jump at the chance! Surely there must be some close by!
[PADA: Most of the original "Prabhupada devotees" were purged out of ISKCON, or have even been banned from ISKCON, like we were in 1978. In sum, the original devotees are mostly gone -- and will not return. Ever. Most of the second generation have also been alienated, mainly because of all the molesting and child abuse orchestrated upon their generation by the ISKCON leaders.
[PADA: Most of the original "Prabhupada devotees" were purged out of ISKCON, or have even been banned from ISKCON, like we were in 1978. In sum, the original devotees are mostly gone -- and will not return. Ever. Most of the second generation have also been alienated, mainly because of all the molesting and child abuse orchestrated upon their generation by the ISKCON leaders.
And thus now ISKCON relies heavily on "The Indian Community" to take over temple functions, which means they have basically made ISKCON into a Hindu cultural center in most cases. Exactly what Srila Prabhupada does not want, another Gaudiya Math "showing the deity business," a Hindu hodge podge.
Some of these "ISKCON Hindus" have wrote odd questions to PADA, showing they are not really very aware of Srila Prabhupada's teachings, or the real history of post 1978 ISKCON. For example, some of them believe that being "initiated" by, and offering bhogha to, the GBC's [pedophile messiah's] guru process -- is authorized -- and etc. Then again we have had some dodgy imported Bengalis and other foreign "cooks and pujaris" who were getting into mischief or showed other signs there are not sincere.]
RP: "Relying on the Hindus..." Yes, relying on those born into the tradition to serve that same tradition "is a cop out." As a Hindu born in India, I could tell you a thing or two about people like yourself.
VS: So much commentary with very little understanding of the particular place and situation. This is when intellectualism and advice doesn’t practically help anyone. Talk is cheap.
M Dasi: Speculation verses reality!
SD: Right. Is anyone offering to help? That’s the bottom line.
PS: Typical of most temples in the Western countries today. Due to the inability to make local devotees. Relying on the Hindus is a cop out.
RP: "Relying on the Hindus..." Yes, relying on those born into the tradition to serve that same tradition "is a cop out." As a Hindu born in India, I could tell you a thing or two about people like yourself.
[PADA: True. The "Hindus" are the biggest current supporters of the GBC's guru program, which is simply stated -- a pedophile acharya's program. And thus they are welcome in GBC managed ISKCON because they still worship pedophiles like Lokanath -- as Krishna's successors and acharyas, either knowingly or not. Of course -- ignorance is not a very good excuse in Yamaraja's court.
Whereas the Western people are not at all interested in worshiping the GBC's -- illicit sex with men, women and children and / or various drunks, drug addicts and pedophile's guru lineage-- as their guru worship process, so they are shunning and avoiding ISKCON -- more of less -- like the bubonic plague. Oddly, some of the Hindus (like India's ISKCON ICC people) tell me that their worshiping pedophiles as Krishna's successors is "the tradition of India" and we mlecchas are not advanced enough to worship their illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's project.
Really! I sort of agree. I am personally not even qualified to say I am a devotee of Krishna, because of all my Western contamination. I could not claim to be truly classified as His bhakta. That said, I am not interested in telling Krishna that I am going to worship child molesters as His gurus and successors. Why would I want to try to cram that nonsense onto Krishna?
In short, thanks to being a born as a mleccha -- if nothing else -- I fear Krishna's wrath, and thus I fear taking birth as a worm in an ocean of worms for 10,000 years, which Krishna can easily have done to me for making a pedophile worshiper's process -- by simply one flick of His fingers.
At least I am intelligent enough to fear the wrath of God. And that has saved me countless times from going along with the GBC-ites -- and / or helping these so-called Hindus with their pedophile pooja program, where they worship the founder fathers of the GBC's anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs project.]
LN: Why do you have a sex worker as a FB friend and then pretend to be some 'special' devotee, you immature types are a bummer.
[PADA: Well hee hee, I have had sex worker friends myself. However, I know they are not Krishna's messiahs or successors.]
VD: I don’t care what kind of body a devotee has, as long as they are following the principles Prabhupada established and practicing prescribed sadhana and living a brahminical life, they can worship the form of Krishna in the temple.
ISKCON Denver temple is not Hinduized. It’s not an issue. Thanks for your care.
AD: Do you believe Laguna is allowing non - brahman initiated devotees to do deity worship? That could be the standard for PancaTattva, but not RadhaKrsna.
Temples with Radha Krsna must only allow second initiated devotees who are upstanding in their sadhana practices.
SD: Could you rephrase your last sentence so it’s less racist sounding? Because right now it sounds discriminatory.
RP: To be sure, I did not think it was racist. More like idiotic or unthinking. I'm very careful to not use the 'r' word since it is indiscriminately used these days to smear people who may have a different view of things.
LN: Why do you have a sex worker as a FB friend and then pretend to be some 'special' devotee, you immature types are a bummer.
[PADA: Well hee hee, I have had sex worker friends myself. However, I know they are not Krishna's messiahs or successors.]
VD: I don’t care what kind of body a devotee has, as long as they are following the principles Prabhupada established and practicing prescribed sadhana and living a brahminical life, they can worship the form of Krishna in the temple.
ISKCON Denver temple is not Hinduized. It’s not an issue. Thanks for your care.
AD: Do you believe Laguna is allowing non - brahman initiated devotees to do deity worship? That could be the standard for PancaTattva, but not RadhaKrsna.
Temples with Radha Krsna must only allow second initiated devotees who are upstanding in their sadhana practices.
SD: Could you rephrase your last sentence so it’s less racist sounding? Because right now it sounds discriminatory.
RP: To be sure, I did not think it was racist. More like idiotic or unthinking. I'm very careful to not use the 'r' word since it is indiscriminately used these days to smear people who may have a different view of things.
[PADA: We did not start the racist argument? The followers of Lokanath wrote to tell me I am a bogus Western mleccha -- evidently because -- I am not joining them in pedophile worship.]
VS: So much commentary with very little understanding of the particular place and situation. This is when intellectualism and advice doesn’t practically help anyone. Talk is cheap.
M Dasi: Speculation verses reality!
SD: Right. Is anyone offering to help? That’s the bottom line.
GI: I didn’t realize the situation was that bad.
PADA: In India, the GBC spent $20,000,000 suing / trying to remove / hundreds of devotees from the Karnataka temple, after they already removed thousands of other devotees from temples worldwide. My wife was one of those people left remaining in the deity program, after they kicked out 50 other deity people, and she was doing the service of three people, even falling down the stairs from exhaustion.
PADA: In India, the GBC spent $20,000,000 suing / trying to remove / hundreds of devotees from the Karnataka temple, after they already removed thousands of other devotees from temples worldwide. My wife was one of those people left remaining in the deity program, after they kicked out 50 other deity people, and she was doing the service of three people, even falling down the stairs from exhaustion.
They never thought through the consequences of what happens when they remove thousands and thousands of devotees from these temples. The good news is, their whole plan to remove hundreds of devotees from Karnataka program has failed, and they just wasted that $20,000.000 on nothing but a pile of court receipts. Even Lokanath swami said in 1988, where are all the devotees, the temples are skeleton crew ghost towns.
They knew this was happening all along. We also know that the "Bengali cook" they hired nearby here -- was just here to get his green card, so he could go down the street and start cooking meat at the restaurant as soon as he had the legal papers. We also know about the Bengali poojaris who used to go to the doughnut shop after mangala arotike to chat with the young waitresses there etc. They still have a policy of banning our thousands of people in India, they are not welcomed, so never mind, they will make their own temples there, and they are. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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PADA: Here is my question: Anuttama and other ISKCON GBC leaders are crediting me -- and the others who helped me with the child molesting issue -- with the "birth" of the main child protection process in ISKCON -- because we encouraged having them sued for $400,000,000 for child abuse. They started their programs as a reaction to our process of exposing them.
That means evidently, the suicides would have continued, the many (several hundred?) children who were pulled out of GBC's schools would have remained there, and the young girls who thanked me for having them yanked out of GBC controlled camps -- so they would not "get married off to a creepy older man" would NOT have been saved. It looks like Anuttama is crediting us for saving the day for these victims (and not him or his GBC pals).
Meanwhile Anuttama says the GBC were "not aware" of the abuse, with no explanation why us "molesting whistleblowers" were shunned, banned, removed, exiled, vilified, demonized, chased with baseball bats, sued, and in some cases -- assassinated. Your team did not know about us whistleblowers?
Yet self-evidently the Anuttama program went through very exhaustive measures and means to remove us "dissenters" and made intense efforts -- even violent efforts -- even homicidal efforts -- to eliminate and neutralize our complaints. How did you folks "not know" about our complaints, while taking all sorts of extreme measures to nullify our complaints?
And we were banned and blocked from going to temples, banned and blocked form talking to temple residents (so we could warn them), banned and blocked from the PAMHO GBC communications network etc. And as soon as we started a web site, it was getting massively spammed.
And the little teeny woman managing my IP site service was getting death threats and she said -- "I know this is all coming from your opponents in your ISKCON religion." She said "I would call the police but I do not have time to waste dealing with a**holes."
Astonishing. How can these same people claim, they did not know we were complaining about the child abuse now? ys pd
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