PADA vs Ramesvara (Robert Grant) / Krishna's or Ours? / Leadership To Blame /

JD: Does no one see the hypocrisy here?

Lord Nrsimha is Against child abusers.

Then ISKCON fills Mayapur with child abusers.

In the name of Lord Nrsimha!!!

Horrific!!! 

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Ramesvara Dasa: Sorry you are repeating false gossip.

I should have involved myself in what devotees you describe as “goondas “ we’re doing in my name, just as any devotee leader should have been more
Involved in what every devotee in their temple or zone we’re doing. That is a very fair criticism.

However, I had nothing even remotely to do with Sulocana. If there was even a hint that I had even an indirect role, I would have been interviewed by FBI or police investigators, and I would have been called to testify in the trial. I was never interviewed or called as a witness in the trial. If there was even rumors of my involvement, I would have been.

That can’t be simply ignored regardless of any bias or gossip you may have heard. It would have been more mature of you to ask me directly if you had such concerns.

PADA: Well sorry prabhu, but your former enforcers (like Ramachandra and others) said they were ordered and inspired to help New Vrndavana by yourself, so its is your word against theirs. We do know that many people were getting jack booted out of the community and treated badly. 

We also know Sulochana was compiling a list of molesting victims from the Los Angeles community, and other communities, and that made him a target. We also know that the police told me to avoid Watseka if I valued my life because "those people" (ok some of them are your remnants) want to take you out. 

A lot of people do a lot of things in ISKCON and never get prosecuted, that is not necessarily evidence of no crime taking place. You were known to be a supporter of Kirtanananda at the time, and there are many people who could confirm that. Sulochana himself said you were making him a target, and you were out to get him. 

He also told me you separately threatened him to not publish the microfiche of the letters. Yep, but I'd love to have a video discussion with you on all this if you want to clear things up. Various media folks have interviewed me and it is their belief that there was a conspiracy of the overall leaders ... includes Los Angeles leaders ... to take down Sulochana, and then, I was next. 

The FBI took down three goons who came to get me. I am sorry for not being mature enough to ask you directly, but lets just say, there are some trust issues here. Another one of your former enforcers apologized to me and he said you guys set them up to be enforcers based on false information, from you.

LA temple was a bunch of goons who were worshiping pedo - orchestrating Jayapataka when I was there. I don't think there has been any improvement since 1978, so this is your legacy. You could have turned that temple into a refuge for us, and not the Mayapur pedo-pushers.  

 ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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"Power in the gang, revolution of chickens... if you will."

Today I reflect on a fact, a phenomenon, always present in societies, except in the holy ones, of course. What is the sacred space of a Temple? What is the relationship with Srila Prabhupada?

An open house to the world, he would say. There we enter humble, learning to touch the ground with our heads, explicitly surrendering our intelligence. We inevitably grow up in it ... in knowledge and humility ... by the power of his Divine Grace alone ... we have awakened that Krishna is the leader - we are servant.

We learn at first "we are not the body" a phrase that we carry until the end of life ... some just don't get it. But we repeat it every day. 

Behold! We inevitably "take possession" of the temples and the holy Dham, now suddenly are "my territory." We then erect walls and barricades, flaunting our newly made hierarchies, sometimes subtle. We see the 'others' in a personal frame ... even poor visitors become framed not as Krishna's but as 'our property'.

Yes, not the "property" of Sri Krishna. Not even of Srila Prabhupada ... because "it is not confirmed in shastras." But it is ... Mine! And then we reign supreme ... until the "enemy" comes along. The competition ... who will take away our position, the place of the leader. Let's fence it up and scare the competition away. 

We round up our best "men" and strike the competition down immediately. No matter how ridiculous we look to the public, or to the other sanghas. We think there are no witnesses in sight ...

Anyone needs this show? Who will be applauding us when we send our trained and trained troops in public on the sacred mission to the streets, more humble than a straw? Meanwhile, in the dark, in the back room, our sacred leaders are trying to remove the saree of some confidential "Draupadi" who was formerly a healthy devotee. Everything looks good on the surface, but there is a dark program underneath. Anyone who complains about the dark program is a threat, who is smashed down with an iron fist. 

"Every devotee must be a gentleman." But lesson not yet learned. Krishna will no doubt come somewhere. Either to help us or vanquish us. And yet we have not learned our lesson.

Or we study the books, but not to realize the truth, but just to establish ourselves as the authority, using our transcendental intelligence in this Movement ... to conquer the movement. And we'll have something else altogether instead. But it will not be Krishna's and Srila Prabhupada's. And whatever this new movement is, it will end up being cursed by the public and the sincere devotees.  

++++++ Dasi

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PJ: Has the leadership of Iskcon ever met a child rapist or child abuser that they didn't like? Perhaps we could send out a survey to the leadership asking them who is their favorite child abuser or enabler of child abuse? This sounds like a sick joke or an unnecessary criticism of something that is untrue. But very sadly there is so much truth to it. 

Over the last four or five decades, all too numerous ISKCON leaders have covered up horrific crimes of rape, torture, and various forms of abuse of defenseless women and children. They have moved child rapists around and around to again let them rape some other unsuspecting devotee families children. 

They have covered up these brutal criminal's crimes, because they are united with the criminals. Then pressured or intimidated the victims and witnesses not to press charges, so they could continue hunting new victims. 

They have reacted swiftly ... to silence and throw out many who objected to the cover ups and crimes. As time went on they have simply elevated these monsters to the highest positions in the movement. Claimed some of them are as good as God and the via medium to becoming pure. (Now there's an oxymoron if ever I saw one). 

They let them sit on big seats, lead kirtans, give classes, lead Ratha Yatras, give seminars, and even initiate as diksha gurus. They've hung out with them, laughed and joked with them, high fived them, become great friends with them, gave them moral and financial support and cover, while they continued and continue to perform the worst acts of Vaishnava Aparadha, on the most defenseless of our members. 

Indeed the internet is replete with photos of one guru, Sanyasi, GBC, or another, chatting, smiling, laughing, hugging and hanging out with the worst type of criminals and people of the most demoniac nature that you can find. It's sad to say but with a few exceptions, the GBC has never seen a pedophile that it didn't fall in love with at first sight. 

P Dasi: It sure as hell looks that way … from any conscious observer. And one of the main reasons I personally only tested the waters, never fully jumping in. In light of so much corruption I intuitively felt it better to back off from this organization. Just wasn’t resonating with me on a soul level, it just felt off. 

V Dasi: Yes, this is the consequence to all the hypocrisy, the movement will not grow, only fanatical, foolish kanistha bhaktas will join while the intelligent, thoughtful aspirants will go somewhere else. This drains out the good and moral people and replaces them with sadistic exploiters and their supporters.

PJ: That's the sad thing. I don't want to turn people of the many wonderful things that I got from becoming involved, but I can't go on with this dishonest charade anymore, where known pedophiles and criminals are worshiped and adored. And where "the leadership" has engaged in a criminal conspiracy to cover up the most heinous crimes for decades. It's really a sad state of affairs. We cannot allow others to fall into their traps.

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PADA: Yep, we do not originate in brahman, we are with Krishna ...

OUR LOVING KṚṢṆA BEFORE WE CAME TO THIS MATERIAL WORLD

When a living entity comes in contact with the material creation, his eternal love for Kṛṣṇa is transformed into lust. Such love of course is always personal between each individual soul and the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Supreme Lord is a person and the innumerable living entities, who are lovers of the Supreme Lord are also individual persons. Love means there is an individual person. Without an individual person, there is no question of love. When the word "love" is used, there must be two lovers. Then the word “love” is applicable. Not that I simply love the air. No there must be a person.

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When a living entity comes in contact with the material creation, his eternal love for Kṛṣṇa is transformed into lust. —A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (Bg. 3.37 purport)

The Supreme Lord is person, and His innumerable lovers, living entities, they are also individual persons. Love means there is person, individual. Without individual person, there is no question of love. When I..., when the word "love" is used, there must be two lovers. Then the word is applicable, love. If there is no person, love is not with the air. There must be person. — (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 22.11-15 Lecture 9 January 1967)