Ex-ISKCON Children + Hindu Social Program

"Radha and Krishna Together"

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PADA: Over 50% percentage of current PADA readers are visiting us on the Android system, seems to be taking over from our formerly mainly Windows PC viewers. Perhaps that is why we are seeing more viewers, almost everyone has a phone these days. That has got to be bad news for the GBC's goonda club, whose main path to success is -- hiding and covering up information. We are the successor gurus to God! Ummm, ok maybe not.   

PADA: There are hundreds of ex-Krishna kids living around the West Coast area, and probably around 99 percent of them boycott ISKCON. Apart from that, ISKCON Silicon Valley is 99 percent making Hindus into participants. The ISKCON programs overall are more and more going towards catering to the Hindus, with baby blessings, car poojas, weddings, even funerals. The GBC even said recently that 75% of their new members are being made from India. 

They are evidently mainly using the buildings as a sort of Hindu donations cash cow. They are even advertising as "Hindu Temples" on their web sites etc. One of the ex-children victims here said to me -- "the leaders do not know who we are, where we are, what we experienced, what troubles our experiences caused us then or now, or even -- if we are dead or alive. We are the GBC's varnasankara -- unwanted progeny." ys pd

ND: I agree it’s not the ISKCON that we experienced 35 years ago. Yes it’s another Hindu temple everywhere you go. They have brought all this karma Kanda activities as you mentioned, all these yagna’s to make money and they have diluted the real teaching of this age which is Harinama Sankirtana. what a shame.

DM: What u can expect when there are agencies for 33dg masons guiding the way the want the movement. Prabhupada is was and always will be a threat to them and their agendas. Now iskcon is completely full of wierdos, especially at the top.

MD: ISKCON Silicon Valley is certainly not using the temple as a cash cow. They happen to attract a lot of wealthy Indians, yes, but remember that the IT capital of the world is largely inhabited by Indians nowadays.

They’re not remaining Hindus but under the leadership of Vaisesika Prabhu, the community is going deep into reading and understanding Prabhupadas books and not only that but also distributing them on a large scale.

The youth are well taken care of there also and are growing up to become serious practitioners of bhakti. They do regular youth programs and are encouraged to take up leadership roles. Families go out together to do various festivals and programs to attract new people. They even discuss how to attract and cater to westerners (who understandably can have difficulty fitting in when the crowd is mostly Indian bodied)

What you’re saying may or may not be true in other places but I don’t think it’s fair to mention Iskcon Silicon Valley amongst such comments.

PADA: Not attracting Western people, ok same as most ISKCON temples. And in fact that is what the GBC itself says, 75% of our people are being made in India among Indians. Vaisesika is pretty much a GBC party aligned person and he does not seem to have made much complaints about all the problems over the years. In any case, Srila Prabhupada was not in favor of making ISKCON into a Hindu styled program. We all know the GBC type circles Vaisesika runs with, and it is the circle that most people are not happy with, and who have not been effective at protecting children, or ISKCON. 

Many of the Hindus especially in India are still supporting Lokanath swami as an acharya, and others in their circle, because, as Srila Prabhupada says, they are sentimental towards any person wearing an orange robe. When Hindus write questions to my sites, they often have no idea what is the history of all these things, and they are often shocked when I clue them in. In sum, the Hindus as a group are not being properly educated on these matters. As one karmi media person recently told me, all the abuse going on in Mayapur would never have happened in the USA, because someone, somewhere, would have called in the cops. ys pd

NY: It's called the "Hinduisation Of Iskcon" - something Srila Prabhupada never wanted. He wrote a 1977 letter to Bhurijana Dasa saying he sent a devotee named Brahmananda to Africa to preach. Instead of preaching to the Africans, Brahmananda started accepting money from Indian Hindus living in Africa & makes plans with them to build a temple. Prabhupada said in the letter,

"......No one Hindu who is rich and living in foreign place is very much interested to become devotee, it is show only, sentiment or custom. So I wanted that he should preach to the Africans and convert them to become devotees, that should be his real business, nevermind wasting time with so many nonsense Indians."

Sampradaya Sun

https://harekrsna.com/.../edito.../07-17/editorials15067.htm

Prabhupada letter #30 to Bhurijana Dasa

https://vedabase.io/.../letter-to-various-unknown.../...

The Late Morning Program on Hinduisation Of Iskcon

https://youtu.be/1Puh5ZTRALA

Another Late Morning episode where it's discussed a little.

https://youtu.be/kIqZ5vIXZJY

Personally, I feel ISKCON temples have become SOCIAL CLUBS for Indians where they can get together to wear Indian clothes, dance like Bollywood, eat Indian food and socialize with other Indians.

Indians don't proselytize because they HATE Muslims and Christians so much that they feel proselytizing is only something Abrahamics do - nevermind, the Gaudiya religion REQUIRES it: "every town and village".

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PADA: Yes, I went to a big life members house in Los Angeles and he had photos of Krishna, Prabhupada, Sai Baba, Durga, all sorts of things. What happened is that the GBC had to come up with a lot of money for their child molesting lawsuits and so they went begging to this Hindu claiming "the demons are trying to destroy ISKCON." In other words, they told this Hindu that the ISKCON children are demons who want to destroy ISKCON. So that has been their program, to cause giant lawsuits, and then convince the Hindus that the people making the lawsuits are the demons aka ISKCON's children. 

Some of the victims even told me that, the leaders are calling us -- demons, instead of acknowledging they harmed us. They are pouring salt and vinegar into our wounds by demonizing us ... in any case the Hindus are not too aware of all these issues, they are simply making a cultural hall program. ys pd

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PADA: Thousands of people are not coming. There are maybe 50 people at the Sunday feast. And most of these visitors are Hindu families who have zero interest in becoming temple devotees, they are mostly business people and IT professionals. They have no interested in a varnsrama college and etc., they want their kids to go to IT college and get a degree in computer engineering. 

In other words, ISKCON has become a Hindu showing the deity program mainly. Next problem is that the GBC is promoting deviants as acharyas, and the acharya is the head of varnsarama. If the head is defective, then the whole body will suffer. People are not going to worship mundane defective beings as acharyas in any valid varnasrama process. ys pd

KV Dasa Adhikari:

Yes, I agree. But when I went to the Manor on Saturday and Sunday last week, there were thousands of people attending for Gita Jayanti and New Year’s Day for darsana of the Deities. My solution to all the deviant behaviour is Varnasrama, specifically having Varnasrama Colleges with every center so that the pure preaching of Krsna consciousness can emerge again, as Srila Prabhupada suggested.

PADA: OK well there are thousands of Hindus going to the Hindu temples here in the Bay Area, including the smaller ISKCON ones. Do they know the siddhanta? No. Are they interested in being full time devotees? No. It is mainly a cultural hall thing for them. ISKCON has baby blessings, car poojas, weddings, and funerals, and some temples are bringing in demigods worship and Bhagavat Saptas etc. None of this was ever authorized. At the same time, many Hindus worship the hokey GBC gurus, so they have no clue what is a bona fide acharya from square one. They have not learned the basic points in many cases. They are not educated properly, from the get go, and that is why so many of them still worship the GBC's self appointed acharyas. ys pd

KV Dasa Adhikari

Yes, I agree. But what to do about all this? Where does it leave those in the know. We can be long on the problem, but short on the solution. Or we can take the view we will do something about all this and become short on the problem, but long on the solution. My answer is Varnasrama, Varnasrama, Varnasrama. We have to change the whole culture to thinking Varnasrama. Then as we pour more and more milk into the glass of black ink, all the ink will come out and we will be left with just pure milk.

PADA: There is no varnasrama without having the head of the divisions and orders properly identified. To have the conditioned souls multi-acharyas system of ISKCON, and who are criminally implicated in mass gurukula abuses and etc. is not the head of any society. First of all, who will be the acharya of the system, then build the system from there, ground up. Thousands of Hindus going to a program where conditioned souls are being worshiped as acharyas is illusion, it is not a factual basis for a varnasrama society. 

The varnas and asramas are the arms and legs of the society, but the head has to be established before they will operate properly, and that is not being done in ISKCON. We are doing that outside of ISKCON, and we are building a sort of grass roots Prabhupadanuga coalition. It is a start. Varnasrama begins from the head down to the other parts, thousands of Hindus worshiping a conditioned soul as the acharya head is not ever going to work, ever. That is simply one illusion piled on top of another. The culture cannot change unless it is aware of the head of the culture. ys pd

KV Dasa Adhikari

The onus is on us to get it right ourselves, then automatically our world changes. Everything depends on what we choose to do, then institutions will follow our lead. What thousands of people choose to do will have no bearing on us, if we know better. Therefore it behooves us to lead the people out of darkness by setting a good example. Then it becomes a win-win situation and then even some of the lesser gurus will follow your lead.

In our Iskcon society you will get some gurus who are kanistha-adhikaris and some who are madhyama-adhikaris and so the extent to which they perfect their devotional service to the highest level will determine the purity of their force. No one is barred from becoming an uttama-adhikari but everyone must try for it.

PADA: Jayadvaita swami says the GBC guru parampara contains illicit sex with men, women and children. That is not kanistha level. The kanisthas worship the bona fide acharyas, and even the mlecchas worship a pure devotee like Jesus. No bona fide kanistha worships illicit sex with men, women and children guru paramparas. 

This is less than the mleccha religions. No one is barred from being an uttama devotee, but anyone who worships uttamas is barred from ISKCON. Not only barred but banned, beaten, chased with bats, sued and taken out of their bodies. So the Hindus who are promoting the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's programs are not up to the level of the mleccha religions. The good news is, the mleccha religion's police saved me when the GBC's goondas came to take me out. Sorry, first of all people need to become bona fide kanisthas, which means they only worship the pure devotee. Worship of deviants takes a person to the lower planets. 

The Upanisads say a false sadhu will take lower birth as an animal, and so will his worshipers. We need to elevate people past the animal platform before we can start varnasrama. Making people worship animal platform is called adharma, it is never done by any bona fide followers of the Vedas. Neither we should worship the Madhyam platform since Madhyam can fall back to being a demon. It is not a firm platform. Neither worshiping illicit sex guru parampara is Madhyam platform either. ys pd

Neither kanisthas can absorb sins as diksha gurus ....

A: Srila Narayana Maharaj: Never. The bona fide guru is qualified. He is like fire. He will burn everything away. Why will he take it himself? He will not take the fruits from the disciple's karma. Never will he take them. He will at once, by his mercy, quickly burn all. Not, there is nothing to be confused about. But, if the guru is not qualified, if he is not tattva-jnani, or if he is a kanistha-adhikari, then he will take all the sins. A madhyama-adhikari who is at the level of madhyama-uttama, oh, he will burn everything.

[PD: And Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyama cannot be a diksha guru because he might once again become a demon. He cannot absorb the sins of others. And furthermore, anyone who is not an uttama does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this. No, a kanistha or madhyama is not like fire, he cannot burn off the sins of -- his own -- never mind burn off the sins of others. That is why Nectar of Instruction says, one must only accept an uttama as his guru. There is no sin burning fire in any other category. Q: Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada says the guru takes the disciple's sins, papa.

Almost all the neophyte GBC people who took sins under Narayan Maharaja's idea and policy suffered by falling down, getting sick, and dying. Never mind their followers are not being liberated.

Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.

That is ALSO why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The false guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and they wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was eaten alive by the ants. In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually.

And! When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer." None of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies "gurus" would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions. ys pd

THE MAKE-SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE SHOULD AT ONCE BE REJECTED.

“. . . without hearing and following the instructions, the show of devotional service becomes worthless and therefore a sort of disturbance in the path of devotional service. Unless, therefore, devotional service is established on the principles of śruti, smṛti, purāṇa or pañcarātra authorities, the make-show of devotional service should at once be rejected. An unauthorized devotee should never be recognized as a pure devotee.”

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.12, purport)