[PADA: Kalakanta dasa is admitting that ISKCON's ability to make devotees has slowed down to a trickle. He thinks making women gurus in their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club will help fix the problem. How many women want to be "certified" as a messiah in a homosexual and pedophile guru process? This is an attack on women's intelligence, they have already rejected their pedophile messiah's program.
First of all, the 1970s devotees who were already present in the society were mostly removed, driven out, shunned, banned, beaten, sued and some assassinated. They were not wanted.
Neither their children (the so-called second generation) were wanted, and they are mostly avoiding if not boycotting ISKCON. Not only avoiding, the second generation participated in suing ISKCON for mass abuses, which bankrupted ISKCON. In short, the ISKCON children not only avoided ISKCON, they had to sue ISKCON to get even a scrap of resources to start off their lives -- lives that had been significantly shattered and damaged by Kalakantha's "gurus" sabha.
So yep, it is hard to make new recruits when the existing recruits are being shown the door left, right and center. And maybe getting shot to death after they leave for "dissenting" -- and this is making huge public news media scandals. I was in a health food store in 1986 when some "ISKCON devotee" with a shaved head came in and bought a few things, and then he left. Immediately the "new age" people in the store started talking about how the Hare Krishnas worship "the violent machine gun swami."
"Very dangerous criminals" was their conclusion. OK but the new age people are supposed to be our best customers, and we just burnt most of them out with these kinds of bogus violent and gun crazy guru escapades. The new age folks are paranoid about being around the Hare Krishnas, thinking the Krishnas are a violent / criminal / pedophile worshiping organization.
And they are right. So before we are going to attract people, we need to make it attractive, and people just are not interested in joining a cult that worships pedophiles and criminals as the society's gurus. Sulochana said the GBC's molester guru idea is about as popular as finding a dog stool in your sweet rice. OK it is never going to be widely popular, no matter what.
Just look at all the newly spouted "internet forums" and "child welfare videos" discussing all the ISKCON child abuse, never mind all the other crimes. And who are the main participants in these "child abuse forums"? Right, it looks like it is about 85% women, and mostly mothers, who do not want their kids to be subjected to a violent pedophile worshiping cult.
How are we going to attract women -- when thousands of them are participating in forums that are complaining -- and rightfully so -- that the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru process is DANGEROUS for them and their children. The mass of women already left, and instead of welcoming their input, and accepting their concerns, they have to form their own independent forums and discussion groups because the GBC is not listening to them -- and for 45 years.
Until and unless the GBC corrects their idea that children need to worship their homosexuals and / or pedophile gurus, assorted drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis, machine guns swamis, and / or child crotch grabbing swamis and so on, women just flat out are going to reject such a process.
Sorry, the women class have already rejected Kalakantha's pedophile worshiping messiahs project. They are done with it. Even in 1988 Lokanath swami said the temples are empty ghost towns.
And thus -- to say women should worship Kalakatna's homosexual and pedophile guru process is simply INSULTING THE INTELLIGENCE of women. Why would they worship Kalakantha's anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs project, which is a giant hazard to children everywhere on the planet, at all? It is another attack on women, the women should worship Kalakantha's anus busting messiah's program. Not going to happen!
OK that is only one side of the problem, the other is -- women should not be told to be diksha gurus and take sins, that will make them suffer, this life and the next. Why do we want to burden women with taking sins, which makes them get sick, fall down and die prematurely, as already happens left, right and center with Kalakantha's men gurus?
A: Srila Narayana Maharaj: Never. The bona fide guru is qualified. He is like fire. He will burn everything away. Why will he take it himself? He will not take the fruits from the disciple's karma. Never will he take them. He will at once, by his mercy, quickly burn all. Not, there is nothing to be confused about. But, if the guru is not qualified, if he is not tattva-jnani, or if he is a kanistha-adhikari, then he will take all the sins. A madhyama-adhikari who is at the level of madhyama-uttama, oh, he will burn everything.
[PD: And Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyama cannot be a diksha guru because he might once again become a demon. He cannot absorb the sins of others. And furthermore, anyone who is not an uttama does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this. No, a kanistha or madhyama is not like fire, he cannot burn off the sins of -- his own -- never mind burn off the sins of others. That is why Nectar of Instruction says, one must only accept an uttama as his guru. There is no sin burning fire in any other category. Q: Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada says the guru takes the disciple's sins, papa.
Almost all the neophyte GBC people who took sins under Narayan Maharaja's idea and policy suffered by falling down, getting sick, and dying. Never mind their followers are not being liberated.
Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.
That is ALSO why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The false guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and they wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was eaten alive by the ants. In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually.
And! When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer." None of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies "gurus" would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions. ys pd
JD: Sounds like chewing the chewed. We already made over 100 men gurus ... who floundered, and sank the ISKCON ship. Hey I got an idee! Lets make 100 women into gurus, so they can flounder and sink us even more. Where do these genius people come up with this pipe dream material? And who among the women wants to sign up?
ReplyDeleteAs one of the Life Members said, their best woman guru prospect is Vaisesika's wife, but even she cannot make one Western devotee in decades. How is that going to bring back the flow of devotees from less than a trickle? It is just more bombastic plan making that makes no sense.
As a lady here just said to me "This is going to pour more petrol on the fire." Yes, this does not solve the problem, us conditioned souls cannot take karma. Men or women is not the problem.
Just look at Rambhouru ... she has become their crime scene clean up expert. First job, remove all the fingerprints from the crime scene, so no one noticed it is her husband helping the crimes.
She has no plan to stop the crimes ... only to pacify the victims of their crimes and cover for the crooks, her friends. That is the only type woman they would make into a guru ... one of their party yes men or women.
Opening up the guru post to women is just another stalling technique to avoid the real point ... no conditioned soul should take the post of guru. They don't get it because then they would have to admit, all their banning and molesting is ... criminal ... and never had any shastra basis in fact.
But this is good ... it is like an admission ... their whole plan making business is collapsing ... and making female gurus is dead on arrival ... it won't be accepted and it won't work.
M Dasi: Honestly I don't get it either. You fellows already booted out thousands and thousands of women and children. Permanent alienated most of them. Treated worse than dogs. Then there was Bhakti Vikas swami ... and his support for BVP and his GHQ attacks on women. Real vote of confidence there for the women.
ReplyDeleteAnd then we wonder why there is a recruitment problem. It is like you are selling some real bad food with rat droppings in it, all sorts of customers get food poison. Some die. Then you wonder why your restaurant is empty. Did no one tell you ... your restaurant has already been condemned in public opinion. You'll have to change the public opinion if you want to bring back the public.
Making women gurus will simply make the public think you are more koo koo for cocoa puffs than they already think of you. You made pedophile gurus, now making women gurus, how can we trust your judgement on anything. That is all we need to see, a bunch of fools worshiping some woman's photos and maybe her shoes on the altars. That is simply going to make people believe it is more nuts-so than they already do. It is going from bad to worse.
Do I know any woman who wants to be in their GHQ club? Not a one. And no wonder. It is like asking for someone to go on the kamikaze suicide mission. Not many recruits.
LW: I am so glad that someone has this all figured out. Worshiping pure devotees is the bogus ritviks idea! Not found in shastra anywhere. Are there any examples of anyone worshiping pure devotees anywhere in shastra? NONE! Who knew!
ReplyDeleteNo! You cannot worship any pure devotees, that is bogus ritviks. That is the bogus Christian idea. Who is qualified to be worshiped then?
I know! Men who are having oral sex with young males in their motorhome ... and then they are worshiped for all eternity in our bogus "samadhi sthal." Or how about p*ssy grabbing jerks.
Or how about machine gun swamis? Or how about anyone else ... except for a pure devotee! That is the whole problem with these people ... and now they want to find some poor deluded women who are unable to break away from their pedophile guru system ... for us to worship starting soon.
The women who are in their "sex with young males in the motorhome samadhi sampradaya," or "the p*ssy grabbing jerks sampradaya," or "the machine gun swami sampradaya," are the NEW and next group for us to worship! How is that an improvement? The same people causing all the problems are making more problems.
I almost forgot. Almost cent percent of the world population has ZERO interest in pedophile samadhis and all the rest of their concoctions. They are not really trying to fix anything. They want to keep Lord Chaitanya's movement in their private lock box.
Krishna is never going to be pleased with any of them, including the foolish women they find to join their bogus group. That is, if they can find ANY, or hardly any. I don't see much women forming a line to join up their guru system. I do see more and more women totally disgusted with the entire lot of them.