John Joeseph / Women Gurus / Lucknow Mess / ISKCON 06 04 23

PADA: Trigger warning! Lots of colorful language here and discussion of the molesting issue. ys pd

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WOMEN GURUS:

PADA : The women are asking a good question, a woman here says she would have had the molesters in Mayapur arrested, why shouldn't she be the in charge? In other words, whoever is able to manage molesting better should be the in charge. I think that makes sense to most people. The abusers were empowered and enabled by the men in charge there, and for 40 years or more. They failed, or worse than that, they enabled criminal child abuse. 

The men who abused "are like broken plates," ok fine, but the victims are infuriated that the people who orchestrated the regime and defended the abusers are still the men in charge. Shouldn't we be fixing that problem first? Some of the victims here are saying all this discussion of women gurus is a smokescreen to avoid taking out the men who made the molesting regime. ys pd

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I for one don’t agree with any of your proposal. Now upto you all to decide
what you want to do.

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 6:17 PM AdityaNarayana Das <
adityanarayanadas.gkg@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hare Krishna Maharaj jis, Prabhujis, and Matajis
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> All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
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> Please accept my humble obeisances
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> As the Co-president of ISKCON Lucknow, Aditya Narayana Das, and other TMC
> members, we would like to draw your attention to the current situation
> taking place in our temple which is concerning the devotees here. Please
> find the details below:
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> 1. In 2018, we were invited from ISKCON Delhi to ISKCON Lucknow for
> starting and establishing youth preaching. Despite numerous challenges and
> limited resources, through the mercy of our Guru and Krsna, we have managed
> to *presently create and have around 20 brahmacharis and many youths.*
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> 2. However, we discovered that ISKCON Kanpur was also conducting
> preaching activities in Lucknow without seeking permission or informing the
> Lucknow Council. Once we became aware of this, we approached ISKCON Kanpur,
> who assured us that they would cease their preaching efforts and hand over
> the responsibilities to devotees in Lucknow.
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> 3. Despite repeated requests from the Lucknow Temple, Prem Harinam
> Prabhu, the president of ISKCON Kanpur, has persistently neglected to
> refrain from interfering in our area for the past five years. Moreover,
> they have gradually expanded their preaching activities, disregarding our
> concerns.
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> 4. A final call was made by Lucknow to stop Kanpur preaching in their
> area and communicated to Prem Harinaam Prabhu who is Kanpur temple
> President as well as Zonal supervisor for Lucknow.
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> 5. Regrettably, despite our request, Prem Harinaam Prabhu has remained
> resolute in continuing the preaching activities of Kanpur in Lucknow
> without addressing our concerns.
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> 6. *In his capacity as the Zonal Supervisor, Prem Harinaam Prabhu,
> along with the Zonal team, has taken the decision to alter the management
> council of the Lucknow Temple without consulting the existing Lucknow
> Temple Management Council. This decision has involved forcefully
> incorporating Kanpur devotees into the Lucknow TMC in an attempt to
> legitimize the Kanpur preaching in Lucknow under the name of Lucknow
> preaching.* *This action is seen as the initial step by ISKCON Kanpur
> devotees towards a complete takeover of the entire Lucknow temple.*
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> 7. *The current Lucknow Temple Management Council has strongly opposed
> the entry of Kanpur devotees into Lucknow, but the Zonal team is exerting
> pressure to enforce their inclusion*.
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> *8. *Over the past several years, ISKCON Lucknow has steadily expanded
> its preaching efforts, fundraising initiatives, and festivals. We are
> confident in our ability to continue this progress in the future without
> the need for any forced intervention from Kanpur in the Lucknow temple. *If
> Kanpur possesses capable leaders, it would be more appropriate for them to
> be assigned to a new area rather than intervening and attempting to take
> over an already well-established system.*
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> 9. The actions of ISKCON Kanpur have deeply disturbed the entire
> devotee community of ISKCON Lucknow and have caused discouragement among
> the dedicated and full-time devotees serving in the Lucknow temple.
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> Therefore, we respectfully request the following three actions:
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> *i) Immediate stopping of ISKCON Kanpur's preaching activities in Lucknow.*
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> *ii) The preservation of the current Lucknow Local Management (TMC) to
> continue their service.*
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> *iii) A change in the Zonal supervisor for ISKCON Lucknow. We would prefer
> to serve under either of the other two Zonal Supervisors for Uttar Pradesh
> (HH Bhakti Prem Swami Maharaj or HG Sundar Gopal Prabhu).*
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> We earnestly seek appropriate action to be taken in response to these
> concerns.
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> Your aspiring servants
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> Aditya Narayan Das (Co President, ISKCON Lucknow)
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> Umapati Sewak Das (TMC Member) / Madhu Smita Das (TMC Member)
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Devakinandan das.