Protecting Children From -- Whom? / Hrdayananda / SP on Factions 06 12

Protecting the children from -- whose program?

PADA: We cannot simultaneously protect children from worshiping deviants, and force them to worship deviants, all at the same time. And the deviants are the same people creating the molester's webs, nests, and the entire infrastructure process of enabling them and / or guys like BVP for the past 45 years. For example Jayapataka was given a detailed account of a child being molested when he visited Texas, and he did nothing but put the report into a file cabinet in Mayapur. And then the brother of the molested child got molested.

Then I helped the family sue Dallas ISKCON for $3,000,000, and Jayapataka said we should only sue the perps, but that is not how institutional abuse is handled, the leaders and / or the institution have to contain the molesting. Unless these root issues are addressed, bad fruits will continue to manifest. And prior victims will not feel vindicated. 

Of course all this begs the question, protecting children from -- whose regime? You mean the same program that buries pedophiles in the dham, is going to save children from worshiping pedophiles in the dham? This is spinning in circles, and children are suffering from being forced to worship bogus persons. ys pd 

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According to Hari Bhakti-vilasa, an unqualified spiritual master and unqualified disciple both go to hell... "A guru who gives the mantra to his disciple out of greed or mundane affection, disregarding the standards for diksa, is cursed - along with that disciple - by the gods. (Hari-Bhakti-Vilasa 2.7)"

"One who assumes the dress and position of an acarya, who speaks against the conclusions of Srimad-Bhagavatam and other sattvata-sastras , or performs unauthorized kirtana opposed to the proper glorification of Sri Krsna, certainly goes to hell for countless lifetimes along with his disciples and whoever else hears such anti-devotional talks and kirtanas.(Hari-Bhakti-Vilasa 1.101) One should abandon a guru who is envious of Suddha-Vaisnavas, who blasphemes pure devotees, or behaves maliciously towards a pure devotee."

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HRDAYANANDA

I will tell you an incident that happened at my home. He came and stayed at our home around 2012 in Northern California, with him he brought a cooler of food stuff that he said he had to eat, they were all manufactured karmi foods loaded with onions and garlic. He played our electric piano for a long time, only playing classicals like Bach and Beethoven, but not the Mahamantra. 

He told me in front of my Shaligram Silas, that he never understood Deity worship and why people get into it. He talked and joked on the phone with a woman for over an hour begging her to meet with him. So there is no criticism here just observation. All one needs to do is open eyes and ears to get off the platform of worshiping one who does these things. Think about it, would you do these things?

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Opi Das Didn't you know PADA is the greatest hero of Iskcon. He's also the biggest Sahajiya leader of Gopi-Bhava Club from LA .. In fact when His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada was informed about this Puranjana Gopi-Bhava Club he was personally chastised by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.

But Puranjana NEVER EVER talks about this fact after being chastised he blooped leaving his service and abandoning His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. But oh Dear he is a paranoid schizophrenic fellow for 45 yrs telling the world how wonderful his service as child advocate. 

PADA: OK well the Jayapataka people wrote to me complaining I cost ISKCON $100,000,000 by helping lawsuits. I suppose $100,000,000 is bus change for Opi das.

Yet another fact Puranjana doesn't talk about is that he was living there at New Vrndavan supporting Kirtananda while the molestation was going on and he didn't do a bloody thing to stop it right under his nose.

PADA: OK so I blooped from ISKCON and I was in ISKCON at the same time? Hee hee. Have you taken your meds today?

That is until that guy Sulocana started his war against Kirtananda. 

PADA: I blooped, therefore I was in ISKCON and living in New Vrndavana? No, Jayatirtha told me he wanted me in the UK, and he had me sent there. I was never living at New Vrndavana at any time. 

Of course, anyone who opposes child molesting is a paranoid crazy person, and the police told me, that is how the cult enables the molesting by discrediting the opponents. Anyway, here below is a link to the video of what happened after I went to the UK. 

I have been interviewed by the media a number of times, and they never ask me "why was I living in New Vrndavana," because even they ALREADY know -- I was never there because they did their homework. Many "devotees" are always way behind the facts on these issues, never mind we never heard of Opi das complaining about the molesting or anything else. 

At least we did something to put the issue on the map, and it is on the map. Opi das is not on the map, which is why many victims complain to PADA that the "silent majority" [OK Opi das] are also to blame for all the problems, because their silence appears as acceptance. What are these folks doing to fix things? 

ys pd 

https://youtu.be/Ux53zYYkt3Q

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FACTIONAL FIGHTING VANQUISHES BOTH SIDES

Dhamaghosa dasa

"You are the most neutral among My associates. This is very good, for without being neutral one cannot protect religious principles.

Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/antya/3/23

Wherever an advanced devotee is insulted, for one man's fault the entire town or place is afflicted.

Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/antya/3/164

Caitanya Bhagavat Madhya 13.160--Ye papistha eka vaisnavera paksa haya

anya vaisnavere ninde  seit yaya ksaya

A sinful person who takes the side of one Vaisnava and condemns another is vanquished.

Hare Krsna-This is an interesting collection of three quotes which explains why devotees should not fight with each other by taking "sides". Besides it being kali yuga -- the age of fighting, devotees we find are no exception to this fault, especially in these  days. Besides arguing and fighting with each other and besides  to blaspheme or unnecessarily criticize each other being the very first offense, this lack on our part to control our speech is very detrimental to our own spiritual advancement, what to speak of the preaching movement of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Therefore all things considered, if we at all desire to move forward at least in our own spiritual life we must learn that fighting with each other is , to say the least, not good. If we are fighting with each other it usually means we are operating in the mental field of duality - "he is my friend or he is my enemy"-or "he is wrong and I am right" which is not transcendental life. 

If we could solve just this one major problem we could make major strides forward in spiritual life. Generally when devotees fight with each they then stay apart from each other. And the cause of this is envy-seeing each other as some sort of "enemy" and not your friend. This is hardly a recipe for success in transcendental life.

Here is what Prabhupada says.......

March 10 1976 conversations.

Prabhupāda: These are all fanaticism. Real unity is in advancing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva... In Kali-yuga, you cannot strictly follow, neither I can strictly follow. If I criticize you, if you criticize me, then we go far away from our real life of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So is it correct to say that if we're not Kṛṣṇa conscious, then if it's not the gṛhastha problem, it would be some other problem?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: We'll find something or another to absorb our time with besides Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: No, you should always remember that either gṛhastha or brahmacārī or sannyāsī, nobody can strictly follow all the rules and regulations of them. In the Kali-yuga it is not possible. So if I find simply fault with you, and if you find fault with me, then it will be factional, and our real business will be hampered. 

Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu has recommended that hari-nāma, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, should be very rigidly performed, which is common for everyone: gṛhastha, vānaprastha or sannyāsī. They should always chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Then everything will be adjusted. Otherwise it is impossible to advance. We shall be complicated with the details only. This is called niyamāgrahaḥ. I think I have explained.

PADA: Yep, many people have complained about my "creating factions." But when it comes down to -- bogus guru appointments, child abuse, book changes, and the guru complaining of poison, there is only one camp to be in -- in my opinion. And as has been duly noted by my friends in the police i.e. -- the people who opposed PADA thereby ENABLED the corruption, and the bogus gurus, and the molesting, and the book changes, and worshiping poisoners as pure devotees, and beatings and murders and so on and etc. 

I would not want to be in the camp that acquiesced, supported or enabled ANY of that. And Srila Prabhupada himself was in his own camp, he would not compromise with the other "sanghas" and Mathas and associations. Neither should we.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com