Devotees in Ukraine / No food, water, electricity

Hare Krishna dear devotees. Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! The devotees of Ukraine are asking for financial assistance. Some of them have no money or food left, while others have no electricity, water, or communications. 

Sri Guru Charana Padma and her husband Vraja-Mohan from Chicago started sending money through their Spiritual United Nations foundation. Donations of any kind are welcome. By sending money through the Spiritual United Nations fund, you will receive a tax deduction. 

Send via PayPal option: Vrajamohan1008@gmail.com. The name of the Spiritual United Nations Foundation. 

Send via Zelle option: select Business, organization name Spiritual United Nations, email address

Vrajamohan1008@gmail.com Thank you very much. 

Your servant, Mathureshwari dd

[PADA: Yes, they are shooting people who venture out for food. This was actually Stalin's technique, starving the people. And one Stalin-esque technique was -- shooting anyone looking for food. It was planned that way because then they do not have to bomb the houses and shoot people inside, making a big bloody mess in the house. The people inside just die after a week or two, and then they have a nice clean and empty building. Voila! 

And now the Russians are just following Stalin's plan evidently. Unfortunately, there are many devotees there and they are now stuck in this situation. 

Oddly, some devotees are still sending me messages from their "conservative media" friends and "conservative leaders" saying Putin is doing a good job of fixing things over there using "brilliant strategy." Someone also sent me a video "Putin is not making LGBT books in his schools." 

Ummm, ok but the children who have no food in Ukraine are going to maybe die? That will stop them from being LGBT for sure. Yep, Stalin's techniques are brilliant, if we consider starving millions and millions of people and millions and millions of animals to death "brilliant." We should make sure children are not LGBT, so starving them will help them? Sorry, this makes zero sense. ISKCON leaders also starved their kids, we need more of that process? 

I think these devotees are in favor of the elite cabal, really! Sorry, starving the mass of public to death is not brilliant strategy according to Vedic principles, rather it is considered as a cowardly and truly demoniac Kali Yuga fighting technique. All sorts of babies are crying at the train station, there is no food, no diapers, no nothing. So the whole idea is to create hellish situations for all the citizens, hopefully they will all just vacate the country or die by starving, so that will make a nice empty place for the invaders.    

And now various Russian ships are being stopped from entering ports, and their own Russian citizen's food supplies might be in trouble on their home front etc. And the Russian ruble had already dropped 40% originally this year, and now another 25% in the past few days, which means the Russian people are looking at vast currency devaluation and inflation. 

A precipitous drop of value of their currency can cause shortages at home, cost of food going higher than people can afford, inability to import food by being taken off the international food exchanges, panic runs on the banking industry etc. That is going to make it harder for the people -- and devotees -- in Russia? 

Overall, this whole thing is going to cause a whole lot of problems for a whole lot of people, even in Russia. Sorry, causing massive problems like starvation and death, inflating the currency so people cannot buy food etc. -- is not brilliant work, it is called Kali Yuga leadership. In any event, I do not know if sending money there will help or not. If anyone has any useful suggestions how to help the devotees there, we'd like to know what that is. ys pd]

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What a mess! And devotees in Russia will suffer if this comes to pass.

Naranarayan Das Visvakarma On ISKCON Child Abuse (VIDEO)

 

Naranaryan das Visvakarma (Nathan Zakheim) speaks on the child molesting issue.

This is a good correction of the child abuse history. The ISKCON children were often neglected, if not starved, beaten, tortured -- and molested. And that is why so many of the children left, and almost none of them ever have had any prominent positions in the ISKCON society. OK they are almost cent percent alienated, and a number of them went off to Narayan Maharaja. Of course, that is because their parents never told them NM has been Tamal's bucket boy.

And more than a few of the victims told PADA "we are the varna-sankara, the unwanted children of Kali Yuga." Hard to imagine that many of the "Vaikuntha children" would come to believe they are rejected / left over / abandoned babies / remnants of the Kali Yuga society. But that is what happened, it is the factual history here.  

Unfortunately, in 1997 when we were helping the molesting victims with a lawsuit, Naranaryan das Visvakarma (NNV) started a huge campaign to oppose PADA (and the victims thereby). NNV began saying that the GBC's mass children molesting regime is "the Golden body of Srila Prabhupada -- which is being destroyed by PADA." It was an attempt to demonize the children victims, and anyone advocating for them, as "killing the golden body of ISKCON."   

And then the NNV group started writing in public, including on their UK web site, to the New York Times, to the Dallas courts, and to many others, that the ISKCON children need to be "killed, chopped up and fed to dogs. And there needs to be a bloodbath of these children in Dallas." And this was their publicly distributed and publicly posted message, fully available on their web site and sent to many others, including -- the Dallas court's folks. Later I sent copies of their writings to the Angelica police and FBI, since it looked like a death threat against victims. 

And then NNV started to make videos with the "ISKCON's children need to be chopped up in a blood bath" UK site, to attack PADA and the children victims further. And they formed a group supposedly "to have PADA kicked off the internet." Wow, they were more aggressive in helping the molester messiah's agenda than even the GBC was at the time. Many GBC folks sort of sheepishly agreed with PADA, "OK yep there is a problem here." Yep, anyone who says pedophiles are not God's messiahs, needs to be kicked off the internet! Who knew!

Meanwhile the NNV party were the main persons aggressively complaining, and full scale attacking and demonizing us, and the victims. "The demon children and their demon advocates are killing ISKCON." Nope, child molesting regimes are not ISKCON. No one told these guys?

Needless to say, this caused a lot of further suffering and grief for many of the victims. The victims had already been mistreated, neglected, sometimes starved, abused, beaten, molested, had their bones broken -- and worse, and there was a growing suicide epidemic among victims -- and now -- they needed to be "killed, chopped up and fed to dogs," "making a giant bloodbath in Dallas" etc. -- as the message promoted by the NNV party. So the NNV program was demonizing the victims, and us, which self evidently helps the perps and victimizers. 

And so NNV and his followers like Sanat / Mukunda UK / Prahlad das (Paul Coats?) UK / and later on their HKC Jaipur group et al., all said that they were not happy that the lawsuit had happened. Why? Hundreds of kids were pulled out of ISKCON schools, the suicides went down, the victims were feeling at least some relief, and the NNV folks were angry as fire that the victims were getting any relief -- at all. Or what? 

Then Prahlad das came out saying, the molester messiahs program's supporters are "the innocent." Nope. The wives of the Kauravas argued that same idea with Krishna, that they are innocent and Krishna is wrong to have their husbands killed. Nope. You folks were encouraging them, you are not innocent.

This court case was: -- (A) stopping further potential molesting cases; (B) stopping many kids from worshiping GBC gurus; (C) stopping the suicides blood bath, (D) giving -- often financially destitute kids -- at least some funds -- and frankly -- these guys hated that this was the result. Of course to their credit, not all of the NNV folks agreed. For example some of the children in the NNV circle and other associates wrote to tell me -- they did not agree with the idea that the GBC's molesting guru regime represents "the golden body of ISKCON." 

And many victims wrote to tell me, there is no way that the manner the GBC program treats children is "the golden body" of Srila Prabhupada, or God, or anything spiritual whatever. Rather, it is a free ride to go see Satan in hell, and endure hell fire, end of story. 

Now recently Sanat (Steve Voith) from this group, has complained "we do not give him credit." Credit for what? He said that he wanted to have Srila Prabhupada's children killed, chopped up and fed to dogs -- in a bloodbath in Dallas. And we credited him with these statements? And we credited the NNV party for enabling, cheer leading, helping and encouraging their entire "making the victims into demons" situation. 

Not sure what Sanat means, "we do not give people credit." No, we credit folks, and we quote them direct as much as possible. OK sometimes we get third or fourth hand info, but if it is proven wrong, and needs correcting, we will do so if the right version can be substantiated. I fail to see where we got the wrong version here? 

Other people remember their statements, including a prominent scholar from the East coast who was also getting their "blood bath in Dallas" messages. And the court folks saw their messages, we even sent copies to the FBI and Angelica police. Where did we miss giving him credit? Sorry, we try as best we can to credit the actual people responsible for various histories, and if there is something we missed, then send us the correct info and let us see if we can validate it.  

Anyway! This is a good correction of the history. Yes, the children were being tortured. No, the children were not inside the golden body of Krishna. Yes, the children were in hell -- and so was anyone who advocated for them. And at the time, NNV was one of the most prominent people making total hell for those of us advocating for the victims. 

Saying the children victims and their advocates are demons who are trying to destroy ISKCON is how people like NNV get others killed. Clearly, that was NNV's intent at the time, to shut down PADA, either one way or the other, and to create hell for the victims by calling the children evil Satans and demons. It looks like now, he is finally agreeing, this was all wrong. If anything, the NNV party are the Satans and demons of that era for defending their golden bodied child abuser regime.

As for NNV's idea of forgetting the past. Nope. We need to know the past so we can avoid having any of this ever happen again. Yes, the children were tortured, and then they were re-tortured and re-victimized by being massively attacked, insulted and demonized as greedy Satans by the NNV program at the time. 

That is the history, and as Madhvacarya says, no one can re-write history. So there was massive lethargy and apathy on the one hand, and highly aggressive and even violent attempts to shut down the advocates of the child molesting victims on the other hand. The children victims themselves were called offensive demons by the NNV group, evidently -- to get them targeted for even more violence. That is what happened, I was there, your reporter on the scene of the crime. 

And no, for the person who sent me this, I do not hate NNV personally, but I do hate re-writing history. 

ys pd

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Book Changes Discussion (Update)

Jayadvaita swami:

WE NEED TO CHANGE -- EVERYTHING!

 

Govinda Dasi: Dear Yashoda Dulal Prabhu,

Pamho. Yes, the bbt always gives that one worn-out example of cattle, and of course the other one, planet of the trees. Yes, those are typos, mistakes. They fail to mention the other four thousand and nine hundred and ninety eight changes they made!

And had these two errors been corrected, along with any misspelled words, etc. there would have been no cause for alarm–or for a million dollar lawsuit with… bbt defending the edited version–one which they lost in the courts. That court case is the only reason that now the world has an option to read Prabhupada’s original words. But the 5000 changes that were made, and changing the “writer’s voice” was unwarranted and factually criminal.

In a meeting at Honolulu temple some years back, Jayadvaita M. actually stated, “Oh, those (original) books were horrible!” Those “horrible” original books, filled with Srila Prabhupada’s divine mercy, made thousands of devotees in the ’70s. More books were distributed then than now.

It seems you believe the propaganda that Hayagriva was never around Prabhupada much, and there were many editors etc. What can I say? This is simply not true. I knew Hayagriva from the time I joined Prabhupada in San Francisco, January of 1967. 

Hayagriva was there, and was already editing the Gita, and spending hours every day with Srila Prabhupada going over every verse! And later, just before the first Gita was printed, in late 1968, Hayagriva LIVED with us in Los Angeles. (I was Prabhupada’s secretary for the whole year of 1968 and part of 1969) Daily they would spend hours in Prabhupada’s room, going over every inch of the final edits. I am an eye witness to this.

At this time, I even did the cover drawing for the first MacMillan Gita (the purple one) with Prabhupada guiding me, literally over my shoulder, watching the drawing develop. The purple Gita cut out a lot of that meticulous work done by Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva; Macmillan wanted to make it smaller. So they greatly edited Prabhupada’s manuscript, and he was unhappy with it, but accepted it as “a blind uncle.”

But as soon as he could, he printed his manuscript in total, the Original Gita, the one with Jadurany’s reddish battlefield picture on the cover. Srila Prabhupada was extremely happy with that Gita–he finally got his carefully nurtured manuscript into print! He was overjoyed!

The “Edited Edition”, with the blue battlefield cover, done by Parikshit das, with Krishna carrying a whip rather than his Panchajanya (conch) as directed by Srila Prabhupada, was done AFTER Srila Prabhupada’s departure from this world. Both the editing and the cover were done after his departure, yet they inserted his preface and signature of 1971–as if, with 5000 changes, it was the same book! How unethical!

Most of Prabhupada’s disciples did not even know this editing mischief was going on; they were grieving the loss of Srila Prabhupada from this world. Only later, when the dust had settled, did many of us learn of this travesty. So I really do know what happened in those days. I even met with MacMillan in New York prior to the printing.

Jayadvaita M. had not even become a devotee in early 1967, so how would he know?? He says many things that are not in keeping with what really happened, since he was not there; perhaps he is relying on hearsay, I don’t know. Neither was Jayadvaita M. in Los Angeles in late 1968 when Hayagriva lived with us for weeks on end, completing the editing work. 

Most of what the bbt says in this regard is based on fairy tales, hearsay, and perhaps some personal ambition as well. I do not know how they can skew things in this way and still sleep at night. But what I do know is that Srila Prabhupada wanted NO FURTHER CHANGES TO HIS BOOKS. HE EXPRESSED THIS ON MANY OCCASIONS. A little research can easily prove this point.

Now, you may enjoy reading many various literatures that are perhaps well written, even better written, and that is fine. But if you want to read Srila Prabhupada’s original words, gone over with a fine tooth comb by Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva, then I suggest you read his original books. If you want to compare them, that’s fine too. But his original books must be available to the people who will come in the future of this Kali Yuga. And the changes must stop lest the original teachings be obliterated in the course of time.

Generally I avoid these political issues, as I feel most are fairly unimportant and always changing. However, this book issue is very very important. So important that Srila Prabhupada himself came to me in a darshan a few years back and told me to defend his original books. Frankly, I did not want to take this task, as it means stepping on people’s toes, but he insisted. He ordered me to speak out, so I must, in spite of being labeled and criticized.

Srila Prabhupada wants it known all over the world, and especially for future generations, that his original books are just as he intended them to be. They have his full shakti, full mercy, and are for all of mankind. If the changes continue, there will always be another editor who thinks he can improve this or that, and eventually the original meanings will be lost.

You may appreciate the editing work, but Srila Prabhupada doesn’t. He didn’t appreciate the changes then, and he doesn’t appreciate it now. Our duty is to please our Guru, not our own sense of what sounds good or doesn’t sound good.
He made this clear so many times, yet they have chosen to ignore everything he said. Please understand, I don’t blame any one person, not even Jayadvaita M. It is the nature of the Kali Yuga to try to destroy that which is sacred and meant for the upliftment of mankind. That is how Maya works.

Srila Prabhupada often said “Krishna has written these books.” So tell me, how can a conditioned soul improve on what Krishna has said or written??

Your servant and sister,
Govinda devi dasi.

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DMW shared a post.

Today a wonderful thing happened. I came across a post made by Garuda Prabhu in May of 2020 (link attached at the end) and was somewhat dismayed at the change cited in the Sri Caitanya-caritamrta. So I did a quick search for references in support of Srila Prabhupada’s original edition’s sentence (which I knew was perfectly good). 

I thought I would find something in the transcripts of his recorded audio. … I did (and pasted it in the comments section), but couldn’t immediately find any other verification, and was a tad disappointed.

Then, in the evening, as I JUST HAPPENED to be reading a particular passage of the CC, I was given the following irrefutable confirmation in the form of two verses and purports. Actually, they were the very first verses I resumed my reading at: CC, adi. 7. 51-52. You can read them here:

https://prabhupada.io/books/cc/adi/7/51

https://prabhupada.io/books/cc/adi/7/52

Based on the information from these purports, I will make the following syllogistic logic to demonstrate that the original sentence from the Madhya-lila 15.106 makes perfect sense, and should never have been tinkered with:

1. A pure devotee may also be a kanistha-adhikari.

2. Lord Caitanya’s associates Tapana Misra and Candrasekhara have both been classified by Srila Prabhupada as kanistha-adhikaris.

3. Tapana Misra and Candrasekhara have also been described by Srila Prabhupada as “pure devotees” of Lord Caitanya.

4. These pure devotees of Lord Caitanya at the time of the described pastime in Benares were also kanistha-adhikaris.

5. Therefore it is possible that a pure devotee can also be a kanistha-adhikari.

In support of this conclusion, here is something Srila Prabhupada said on 4th November 1972 in Vrndavana:

“Yes, pure devotee is anyone who has no other motive except to serve Kṛṣṇa. It doesn't matter he's first class, second class or third. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11]. If he has got some motive, then he's not pure devotee. He may be not advanced, but if he has not motive, then he's pure devotee. If he wants to utilize Kṛṣṇa for his personal benefit, then he's not pure devotee. He's impure. So first of all he has to become pure devotee.”

https://prabhupadavani.org/transcriptions/721104ndvrn

…It appears to me that the person or persons responsible for the change to the sentence in Madhya 15.106 has/have made a great blunder. I have less and less faith in any unauthorisedly edited versions of Srila Prabhupada’s books and it is my hope that leading persons in the BBTi perform some type of shared penance to have Srila Prabhupada’s desire and verdict on the continued publication of his books to be collectively and unequivocally revealed. 

This is Garuda Prabhu’s post from May 2020:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/680327212716252/permalink/695713677844272/

BBT EDIT REVIEW

DRAVIDA'S "REASONING" CORRECTS ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA . . . SYMBOLIC OF THE WHOLE PROBLEM!

With permission, I'm able to present to all of you Dravida's response to Madana Mohana's objection to a major re-writing of (thus correcting) Śrīla Prabhupāda's original words in the CC. Here are the steps in the dialogue between them (apologies for the garbled diacritic marks/letters):

1. Srila Prabhupada originally wrote in CC Madhya 15.106 purp. “The pure devotee whose faith advances becomes a madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari."

2. This was recently changed to: “Therefore it is on the basis of faith and attachment to Krsna that one can judge who is a madhyama-adhikari or an uttama-adhikari.”

3. The rationale given for the change by Dravida Prabhu is, basically, that “pure devotee” must mean uttama-adhikari and therefore makes no sense in the context.

4. My response is the Srila Prabhupada explicitly and repeatedly used “pure devotees” to denote a kanistha-adhikari throughout the same purport, and elsewhere, and therefore the sentence should have been left as is.

5. I then cite a few examples of Srila Prabhupada’s usage of “pure devotee” for kanistha-adhikari in his letters, lectures and books.

The following is what Dravida wrote to Madana Mohana justifying his corrective editing of Śrīla Prabhupāda's words (and be sure to read my quick comments below!):

Dear Madan-mohan Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Thanks for the query. This one was a puzzle. Let me explain.

The original ms read as follows for the last sentence of the quote explaining the quoted Bengali (which is CC Madhya 15.64, 69, 71 [not 70]).

"So a pure devotee only on the standard of advanced faith becomes madhyam-adhikari and uttama-adhikari." This became, in the 1975 printing,

"The pure devotee whose faith advances becomes a madhyama-adhikäré and uttama-adhikäré."

So why change it?

My reasoning was that Prabhupada had quoted rati-prema-täratamye bhakta-taratama from Madhya 22.71, and so why not bring in the essential idea from that verse, while retaining the part about faith being a measure of advancement? Plus, you already had a clear statement of how a neophyte advances by deepening faith while following the regulative principles of bhakti. We needed to introduce (from Prabhupada's translation) the idea that attraction for Krsna is also a measure of advancement. Thus the last sentence now reads:

"Therefore it is on the basis of faith and attachment to Krsna that one can judge who is a madhyama-adhikari or an uttama-adhikari."

That was my reasoning for the change.

Your servant,

Dravida dasa

MY (Garuḍa Dāsa's) QUICK THOUGHTS:

I have seen many instances where Dravida and Jayadvaita "reason" in their own editorial isolation that something should be changed in Śrīla Prabhupāda's purports.

It is infuriating to me that we're relying on or trusting of Dravida's account of what's in the "original ms" to which none of us, anywhere, have even the slightest access whatsoever (see my previously posted formal request and BBTI rejection to obtain access). They have locked all of us out. I am a highly trained textual scholar. Perhaps they are afraid of what I might find? Is that possible?

In most instances of which I am apprised or aware, Dravida and Jayadvaita do not change their mistaken correction back to Śrīla Prabhupāda's words; they stubbornly stick to their own ideas and wording, not Śrīla Prabhupāda's.

I ask all of you here, Why are all of us FORCED to read Śrīla Prabhupāda's books through the limited and imperfect and uneducated eyes of the likes of Dravida or Jayadvaita? Let my ignorant mind or enlightened mind, whatever the case, encounter the Spiritual Master's words AS THEY ARE. And when I ever wish to accept śikṣa guidance from either of them, I can do this independently of any manipulations of Śrīla Prabhupāda's vāni and according to my own sweet free will.

Finally, I ask all of you: What goes on in the mind and heart of a disciple who feels he or she can correct the Spiritual Master with his or her own "reasoning"? Only respond to this with tentative ideas and not accusatory statements condemning either editor! Thank you.

VC Dasa: ARSHA PRAYOGA! All this nonsense happens cuz Westerners have no ability to follow this basic precept found all over the East. (definitely China and Japan too).

Kanha Re / Kanha Re / Bhajan VIDEO

 

Ukraine Devotee Shot By Russian Troops

 
This Report has been verified by ISKCON News who has been in touch with the devotees involved.

Update: February 26th, 2020 2pm EST

This evening, Vamshi Madhava Das, a disciple of Jayapataka Swami was shot in the hand and chest. His wife is taking care of him. It was reported that their village, Kherson, was under attack. As of the time of this report they are unable to travel to any local hospital. ISKCON News will be verifying and updating these reports as they come into us. Stay tuned to our website for updated information.

[PADA: They always say that don't they? We won't hurt the citizens. Then the citizens houses are bombed. And they bomb the electrical supply, so the citizens have no electricity. And no food, no water, no toilet, no gas put in their car to escape, and they cannot even go to the hospital for fear of being shot or bombed on the way. Of course there are also reports of people going out to get food, also getting shot. They are trying to starve out the population evidently? 

And the hospital has no electricity, and the doctors are stranded somewhere else anyway etc. So this is basically, an attack on the citizens. Sorry to have to say this, but the devotees who told me this is going to harm the cabal are wrong. The citizens will be harmed, the cabal will stay in their castles. 

A devotee said this is a sort of replay what happened in ISKCON. The devotees were purged out, sort of bombed out of their society. And then they had to suffer with little or no resources. It is what happens in Kali Yuga warfare. 

OK I get it, these Ukraine people have their bad karma. And a Kali Yuga cow also has bad karma to be born in Kali Yuga, but if we kill and eat the cow, we generate new karma, for ourselves. It gets the karma chakra spinning in all directions, for all involved. Overall, this is already not looking good for the devotees there. We hope they get some mercy in this situation. ys pd]

Not going to harm the citizens? Really?

Hare Krishna Copyrighted? (Update) Praghosha Dasa UK

JND: One of the great offenders to Srila Prabhupada -- and a servant of the globalist elite -- Praghosha Das, GBC of ISKCON UK, thinks Hare Krishna is his registered trademark which no one else can use.

This, despite Srila Prabhupada's direct instruction that this cannot be done:

"Another thing is although I have brought this Sankirtana Movement to the Western World we cannot make it copyrighted. The Sankirtana Movement is not my invention. So how can it be copyrighted? Besides that, as you will find in the album of my previous recording, the chanting of Hare Krishna is going on since time immemorial. 

"So Hare Krishna cannot be copyrighted, although the tune in which I sing with my disciples, that may be made copyrighted. I have no objection to sign this agreement, but don’t be misled that the chanting of Hare Krishna or Lord Caitanya’s Movement can be made copyrighted." 

- Srila Prabhupada letter to Dinesh (10 June, 1969)

[PADA: Not quite sure what is going on with the "Hare Krishna Festivals" people who wanted to use Hare Krishna. Some devotees from one of the "Hare Krishna Festivals" said they are not being supported by ISKCON. If anyone has the details of what is going on here, let us know. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com] 









PADA: Yes! As a matter of fact! We are in charge of the 20 years of banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating of Vaishnavas program. Which is giving Krishna's name "goodwill" -- we just can't say on what planet! 

And we also own Krishna. Any questions? ys pd 

Ukraine Devotee Discusses the War / VIDEO

[PADA: It is predicted that constricting of the flow of food, gasoline, heating oil and other essential supplies will start to cause "a humanitarian crisis" in a short time. Of course we always hope for the best for any devotees. 

Another devotee told PADA that this war will be good since it is part of "ending the cabal." Ummm, well if the mass of people have to endure a shortage of food and basic supplies, then the mass of people will have to suffer most of the problems, not the cabal. In short, Kali Yuga wars are generally not helping obtain much good result, since they are not being fought on religious principles, starting with, the general population of women and children should not be attacked or harmed. 

The welfare of women and children is not even barely considered in most Kali Yuga warfare. It is not going to get better as Kali Yuga rolls onwards either. In any event, I do hope for the best for these devotees. ys pd] 

ISKCON's Pedophile Gurus "Creating Divisions" / Namarasa

PADA: Namarasa has blocked the ladies who are advocating ISKCON child protection, while he evidently allows mainly the members of the pedophile messiah's club to speak on his forum, make comments etc. Again evidently, he favors those who are having our ISKCON children worshiping the GBC's pedophile acharya's program. 

Of course, even karmis ask me, "what kind of people want their society's children to worship pedophiles as their gurus"? No one knows why! Because their system blocks us from commenting, and our never asking the questions thereby! Clearly there is a pro-pedophile guru agenda afoot in ISKCON, since their program has worshiped pedophiles from 1978 - 2022 with no end in sight! 

We also find the founder fathers of the pedophile acharya program's guys -- like Mukuna swami -- being interviewed. Yet his former secretary Nandini -- who saw Mukunda dumping hundreds of complaint letters in the trash -- is never interviewed. These complaint letters were asking for help with the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and assassinations going on. Anyone who helps cover up child molesting gets to be interviewed, not others? 

Mukunda swami told her "I have a career to protect." So the people who promote pedophiles as gurus, and who squash the opposition, are interviewed, not the people who are exposing their pedophile gurus system? Indeed the people who have made a career out of making ISKCON children worship pedophiles seem to get the exclusive red carpet treatment here, and everyone is not welcome? 

All this begs the question, is it a free thinking forum for open discussion, when it is always seemingly tilted towards the pedophile messiah's club leaders? Or worse, the founder fathers and cover-up crew for the pedophile acharya's agenda? 

Oh yea, the people who say Srila Prabhupada's jeeva tattva is bogus and "is not found in shastra" like BV Padmanabha are also interviewed. Right now some of Mukunda's pals are saying ISKCON should take down the Prabhupada lectures videos from the internet because "they are too controversial for modern times." They want to erase Srila Prabhupada in total -- it looks like to some of us. 

Why is Namarasa tilting towards these deviants, or worse, the people who say Krishna's successors are often illicit sex with men, women and children sexual predators and pedophiles? And now we are wondering why the worship of pedophiles as Krishna's successors and gurus is causing: splits and schism; and no small amount of empty ghost town temples; and no small amount of ex-victims writing all over the internet. Duh!  

angel108b@yahoo.com

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S Dasi: Thanks KD for your for suggesting me as a guest for Namarasa's show. I wish I could say "thank you" under your comment, but Namarasa has blocked me from Liking or Commenting on any of his show's posts. 

For the record, I would love to be interviewed about the importance of child protection in ISKCON. I have asked him, but if someone else could ask him as well that would be great. I envision a panel with me, Dhira Govinda, and other advocates of child protection. Thank you.

AD: In the first chapter of the Nectar of Devotion which is my personal read at present, there is a very nice description of a practicing devotee which you are trying your best to help promote. Read the small part called "Auspiciousness." " "Srila Rupa Goswami has defined auspiciousness as-----!"

PB: Krishna Consciousness is all auspicious!

AB Dasi: The Late Morning Program with Namarasa Podcast what's up with this? Can this be true? I hold respect for your program for offering multiple viewpoints of what's going on in the Krishna Consciousness movement globally. Are you really stifling this voice?

S Dasi: This may give context:
https://lokanath.net/notes-on-namarasas-biased-interview...
Notes on Namarasa’s Biased Interview of Lokanath Supporter - October 2021
LOKANATH.NET

RP: Go S Dasi! You have them on the run! 

MM Dasi: Namarasa Das what do you think? I think it's a brilliant idea!

S Dasi: He blocked me completely from his personal account, so he may not see your comment. 

MF Dasi: Out of all people who I thought would take child protection to heart ... I thought would be Namarasa. Feeling very sad about our movement recently.
Child protection is so BLACK & WHITE .... Why is it for many people making a great GREY Area for Lokanath ... No matter how much he's done for the movement... molesting is molesting. It eliminates any good you've done.
Any mother would understand this. Thank you for your service S DASI!

AA Dasi: That's fine... AG, how about S DASI be on YOUR podcast?

S Dasi: I would love to!

AA Dasi: Great! It just makes sense. Bhakti Kids should talk about the evolution ... from pregnancy to child abuse prevention.

RKP Dasi: S Dasi, something I deeply appreciate about you is that you don't take the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" stance and just walk away from ISKCON. I see no point in walking away and trying to start fresh because inevitably the same problems will occur if one does not work through the history to make improvements to the present and future.

Each and every one of us is responsible in our own local communities to make things safe and not allow those who do harm to come to them. The CPO needs to be funded and allowed autonomy to investigate and make sanctions against those who do harm. And locally we need to abide by those sanctions.

I am all about the local, but there needs to be communication between different locals for everyone's protection.

I Dasa: Well said. 

DNJ: S Dasi, you’re assuming you’re dealing with normal humans with actual emotions and a soul. These GBC guys are narcissistic psychopaths. Look at how many threats you have received by rabid cult members and sycophantic pedophile worshippers. At this point, remaining in the organization - including trying to reform it from within, is self deluding and fruitless. I say this because I think you’re better than that. These people don’t even deserve to have a face to face conversation. 

Just walk away and starve them to death. If you have some money and we’re thinking of donating it to anything official Iskcon, just invest it in your own sankirtana. Heck, buying yourself a Rolex would be a better investment.

May be an image of 1 person and text that says 'IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH. IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH. IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR. AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD.'

NH: Lol his guru is Radanath, the guy who covered up for Kirtanandas pedophilia and orchestrated a murder conspiracy. That's all easily provable with a few Google searches. 

RRB: No offense to Prabhu, but his show is extremely biased. Maybe that should be advertised? Otherwise outsiders looking in might think that his opinions speak for all “Hare Krishnas”, seeing as it is the “number one Hare Krishna podcast”.

I stopped watching his show after I found out that he blocked you. Child protection and even the Lokanath case are topics that should be a priority for discussion. The fact that he is choosing to ignore and even block, is very concerning.

MMDD: I stopped too. A collaborator.

LMDD: I also boycotted him after this incident, there’s just so much more content available that his show just wasn’t necessary once his true colors shown.
I highly recommend the Spirit Matters podcast it’s daily (weekdays), short (30ish min. ) digestible (real people and real topics) and inspiring!!!

BHD: Radhanath? Really and he follows him? That’s a farce.

SP DASA: Iskcon at it's finest.

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PADA: Wow this is quite correct! The ISKCON GBC wants you -- and your kids -- to worship their "guru chain" which contains -- homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis, and in sum -- illicit sex with men, women and children -- and so on. That is their alleged "chain of gurus from God" -- and most people are going to reject, resist, oppose -- and in sum -- create "a division" from that process. And indeed, this is the root of most of these apparent "divisions."

Goody! 

Reject them, and divide from them! Which is what they should do. It is the duty of all human beings to separate themselves from the GBC's pedophile guru's worshiping cult. Worshipers of pedophile gurus are also NOT "friendly fire." Their program will ban, beat, molest, sue and kill Vaishnavas. That is not a friendly process. At all!  

The future of the Hare Krishna religion? Simple. It will get back to its roots, and reject their pedophile guru process and start to worship the pure devotees again. Albeit, it will be difficult to shake off all the bad public image and mass of mis-information the pedophile worshipers created for decades. 

We are glad these "divisions" are finally being discussed more openly. Yes, there are two basic camps, (A) the pedophile's messiah's and guru's program, and (B) the pure devotee's guru program. We should make sure people understand which is which, and help them make the right choices. So far Namarasa's track record is not good by many people's account, but not to worry, we have other avenues to discuss issues apart from these folks. ys pd

Damn! I worked as hard as I could to help Kirtanananda ban, beat, molest, sue and kill the Prabhupada devotees. I even had my disciples beat Kulashekara almost to death -- to send a message, keep that f***ing Prabhupada worship out of ISKCON. 

But alas! We could not get rid of all the Prabhupada worshipers, much as we tried to eliminate them! There are still some die hards out there who will not worship my illicit sex with men, women and children pooja program! 

That makes me cry! Kirtanananda was reported by his ex-secretary for trying to have sex with a cat, and some people are still not bowing to his samadhi! I have to cry now! Why aren't people worshiping sex with cats, and they want to worship Prabhupada instead? Makes me cry! The only good news is, my representatives and defenders are still getting interviewed by Namarasa! As I always said, sex with cats in samadhi ki-jaya sir! That is my eternal motto and mantra!

I also was told not to act as a diksha guru by my guru and take karma, because it will make me sick and maybe die, but hey, I am another Jesus and I can take sins! Ooops, well maybe not, it looks like it is killing me. That is ok, I will be worshiped along with sex with cats even after I am not here! I will be famous forever as the sex with cats messiah's lover's club member!

Should Krishna Devotees Pray for Peace?

From NZ Sharing:

“I haven’t posted on social media for quite sometime. To be honest, the divisiveness and attacks from people I thought were my friends and associates all got a bit much for me. I shut down and lost my confidence greatly.

But having been to the protest and witnessed it, here are some personal thoughts on the protesting in Wellington that is occurring right now. I agree with the right for anyone to protest peacefully, but this is more like an intimidation occupation, insurrection, and festival combined, all set up on parliament grounds and into the surrounds.

I agree with the right to protest peacefully, but I don’t agree that -- day upon day -- intimidation towards those innocent people who are trying to access their homes, work place or education place is a peaceful protest. It might not be violent, but it’s far from peaceful when others feel intimidated and afraid to be in the area.

As an example my daughter has had all her law lectures cancelled in person, because the protestors are camped out in the law building gardens. It would not be safe for her or her student colleagues to enter the law building.

I’ve walked through. What I witnessed. There is extreme right ideology everywhere you look and there’s antisocial behaviour everywhere you look. People drinking, people swearing, people arguing. It does not feel safe. Overall, it is some people intimidating others, and trying to force them to accept the views of the protestors. I did not feel safe, nor do others. 

I was grateful to have my mask on and my facial expressions were hidden. And to have made a decision to not engage prior to walking through was the right call.
There are also large numbers of green lefties, "peace loving hippies" and well educated middle aged women. And the Maori, mixed with Hare Krishna’s and church goers - all there in large numbers too. They are there - supposedly peaceful themselves - but surrounded by disrespectful and offensive imagery and behaviour of others. 

By association, they are not just witnessing but apparently condoning these intimidation tactics, threats and demands. I felt distressed and dismayed to witness this apparent ignoring of the imagery and symbolism and aggression around themselves - because individually they were still being ‘peaceful’.

Devotees should not be associated with these anti-social and intimidating demonstrations that are making others feel fearful and intimidated. It paints the devotees as agreeing with these agendas. Not going to help us. Devotees should be seen as politically neutral and in fact -- unbiased peace lovers.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said that devotees doing harinama would purify the planet, and reduce the wars and other sufferings. Yet the first thing the leaders did was to kick out the hundreds and hundreds of devotees who were doing the harinamas. Revival of the harinama process is evidently the only thing that will help the world situation. But we rarely even hear the ISKCON leaders discussing their plan to revive it, or even to just get it to the level it was at in 1977.]  

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SRILA PRABHUPADA: Students' prayers 24 hours a day to listen to the political talks and desiring the war should stop is useless. God cannot be their order supplier. First of all, they act sinfully, and when there is reaction of war, pestilence, famine, and so many other nature's disturbances, they pray to God for stopping them. 

This is not possible. Just like a criminal first of all commits theft, burglary and debauchery, and when he is captured, by the police force, if he prays to the government to stop, that is not possible. So they are engaged in all sinful activities, and by natures' law, there must be reaction. 

I am encouraging now cow killing or animal killing, and when by nature's law, the turn comes upon me to be killed, if I pray I want to stop it, how it can be stopped? So their process is not very genuine. They want to make God as order supplier. 

So God is not order supplier. He is order giver. He orders everyone to surrender unto Him, and the fools and rascals who do not surrender unto Him, they want to order God in the form of so-called prayer, that He should ask material nature to stop her legal activities. That is not possible. (Letter to: Satsvarupa - 9 October, 1968).

"You are maintaining so many slaughterhouses, and when it will be mature, there will be war, the wholesale murder. Finished. One atom bomb--finished. You'll have to suffer. Don't think that "Innocent animals, they cannot protest. Let us kill and eat." No. You'll be also punished. Wait for accumulation of your sinful activities, and there will be war, and the America will drop the atom bomb, and Russia will be finished. Both will be finished. Go on now enjoying. It takes time. Just like even if you infect some disease, it takes time. Not that immediately you infect, and immediately the disease is there. No. It takes a week's time or so."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 6.1.32 Honolulu, May 31, 1976

"You have asked about whether nuclear devastation on this planet would effect the Sankirtana Movement. No, there is nothing that can stop the Sankirtana Movement because it is the will of God Himself, Lord Caitanya, that His Holy Name be heard in every town and village. Neither can the demons devastate this planet independent of the will of Krsna. Nothing happens without His sanction.
If Krsna wants to kill someone no one can save Him, and if Krsna wants to save someone no one can kill him. For our parts we should just be determined to carry out our mission against all opposition, demons, nuclear war, whatever. The whole universe is finally subject to certain annihilation by the will of Krsna, but devotional service is eternal and is the only certain way one can save himself from devastation."
(S.P. Letter to: Makhanlal Mayapur 22 June, 1973)

Hare Krishnas of Coal Country / Ashley Stimpson

 https://longreads.com/2022/02/17/hare-krishnas-of-coal-country-ashley-stimpson/?

PADA: Wow. The devotees there know that the scandals will turn most people away, actually almost all the people. Therefore, only the truly sincere will wade through the gauntlet of scandals to come there to find out about Krishna. They have incorporated the scandals into their preaching. 

And of course that means, they know that most people are aware of the scandals. However! Instead of being simple and honest and just saying, "OK none of these people were ever gurus, we made a huge mistake here" well nope they were gurus and they have to be buried in samadhis so our little kids can still go there and worship these pedophiles in samadhi even today and right now. 

We have  pedophiles -- past and present -- who are also links in the guru chain of Krishna's guru successors -- no matter what. And that is going to attract people to Krishna now? What kind of people will they attract? OK truth be told, almost no people are coming -- hence we had to start a program of siphoning money from the Hindu immigrant's community.

Kirtanananda was known by various people in the community to have many young boys in his cottage and motorhome, with no supervision, and he was caught having sex with at least one boy in his sleeping bag. And he was known to be having sexual relations with these young men etc. And yet many people just ignored that problem -- and a host of other problems -- just to stay in the community. 

And the young men victims were evidently getting marijuana, alcohol and cocaine, supplied to them by the members of the community. And the community was raided by the Federal Marshals for a wide assortment all sorts of criminal behaviors, which again, many people there knew were going on left, right and center, and they knew that for years and years.

And so on! And yet after all that, we still have to bury this guy in a samadhi so little children can go to the dham and fall down and worship this pedophile. And the Basu Ghosh India ICC people wrote to complain and tell me I am not a forgiving person. When a devotee makes a mistake we should forgive them. Except, they only forgive their pedophile gurus and they never forgive us. 

Anyway, this shows what happens when we keep saying a deviant is, was, or could have been a guru, even after so many scandals, this lady is not going to go back there. She thinks -- the people at New Vrndavana cannot distinguish religion from delusion. She is right. 

And now their main income is from the Hindu immigrant community, in other words they are not going to fix this mess, they are just going to roll on like nothing is wrong, and continue to say pedophiles are, were, or could have been God's successors. Told ya! 

There were rumors in the outside community that lots of crimes were going on there. Yep, and other ISKCON leaders knew as well -- and they never did anything to fix this mess, rather they just poured on the delusion that the leader of that criminal empire is "as pure as God." 

It is delusion posing as a religion. And when the India ICC / Lokanath people find a nice homosexual pedophile who orchestrates crimes, includes child molesting and murders, they fall off their seats and put that person into a samadhi so they can worship their homosexual and pedophile guru pals -- forever. And the ICC say the Westerners are contaminated, because they do not worship their homosexuals, pedophiles, criminals, and orchestrators of molesting and murder, as their acharyas. 

Fortunately, Yamaraja does not allow these pedophile acharya programs to continue forever. Their day of reckoning is coming. It is sad that they are ruining the spiritual lives of others so they can make their pedo-guru-fest program, which they themselves admit, is turning away masses and masses of people. Of course the asuras always want to turn people away from Krishna, it is what they do. This lady is basically done with them, and so are billions and billions of others. It does look like their main job is to turn people away from God, and they are good at it.

ys pd]   

ISKCON Announces Pedophile Guru Support Team Members

 

[PADA: Well the ISKCON leaders started out in 1979 saying that a guru who has sex with a follower should stay in the post of guru. Meanwhile Srila Prabhupada says -- a guru who has sex with a follower is really -- a pedophile, because it is like a father having sex with his own daughter. It is pedophile -- direct or de facto. And they are still promoting pedophiles as their gurus in 2022. "Pearls of wisdom" no less. And this is the self-evident support team for this deviation. Or what?

One good news is, we at least now know for certain who are the people promoting their pedophile pooja deviation, since they proudly advertise their photos alongside their other pedophile pooja program's messiah's club members. It is the pedophile messiah's club's annual "we love pedophile messiahs" feel good ceremony. 

Hee hee! Told ya. Meanwhile a victim told me, this photo is like stabbing a knife in the backs of the thousands of ISKCON molesting victims. It is a horrendous display of neglect -- if not contempt for the victims of their program. They apologize to the victims one day, then go back to stabbing the victims in the back the following day. Yep, my feelings are the same. 

Did I forget to mention, Srila Prabhupada says false gurus and the promoters of false gurus are in the darkest modes of ignorance, and they are destined to take lower births on the most obnoxious planets in the universe? Indeed, they will be sent to hells that are way worse than the hells an ordinary karmi person will experience, because they have made a business out of exploiting God, which is the most obnoxious business model -- in the universe. 

Making pedophiles into God's successors is -- Satanic, as well as bad business, bad karma, and bad news for children everywhere. The other good news? More people are exposing these pedophile messiah's lover's club's folks every day. 

Overall, their policy of promoting the worship of homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis, illicit sex with men, women and children and other assorted odious messiahs, while banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating the people who worship Srila Prabhupada is -- not going to work over the long haul. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but eventually, even they get tired of being fooled. ys pd] 

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Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Predicts ISKCON's Falldown

Bhaktisiddhanta Vani

Envious and Wicked Persons

bhāla karte pāri nā, manda karte pāri, ekhana ki dibi ta’ bal?

"I cannot do any good, but I can harm you. Now tell me, what will you give me in return for this"? There is a proverb in Sanskrit, asakto ’ham gṛharambhe sakto ’ham grha-bhanjane — "I am so incapable that I cannot begin the work of building a house, but I am especially expert in turning even a big palace into dust." 

[PADA: Wow pilgrims! Srila Prabhupada left us with ISKCON in 1977, a big palace filled with what he said are thousands of "happy faced devotees." And in short order, the GBC turned his nice palace into a miserable empty shell, a palace full of dust. OK a few Hindus turn up on Sunday to place a tax deduction check in the cash donations box. Meanwhile, the harinama, book distribution, making Western devotees, training up devotees etc. -- is all but halted universally across the society.

And they left ISKCON with no small amount of abandoned, banned, exiled, removed, fried, toasted, discouraged, upset, broken down, dispirited and alienated people, including many of the society's children. OK most of the society's devotees and most of their children. Whole thing became a ghost town, even according to Lokanath swami in 1988.

Of course, even some so-called Prabhupadanugas will attack PADA due to the same enviousness motivation. Same thing, they do not bother to make a superior effort, such as their own better managed blog, or even any blog at all. Or make any better anything. 

It is all about making things turn into dust. And the short and simple explanation is, they are envious and wicked people, just as Srila Bhaktisiddhanta explains herein. They are good at wrecking the works of others, not so good at building their own constructive works.]

This is the character of envious and wicked persons. People of low nature are capable of spoiling the work of others, but are unable to do any good for anyone. A rat can easily spoil many invaluable books, clothes, or stocks of grains, but cannot produce any of these.

[PADA: Oh no, the higher nature people can make nice things, like books, clothes, stocks of grains etc., but beware -- the lower nature "rat's consciousness" type people can destroy all their good work. Includes, the GBC ruining Srila Prabhupada's books with their editing process. The GBC's rats ate up and exploited the good works of their guru, simply stated.]

As a result of great fortune, the seed of sincere faith in God and his devotees can sprout in the heart of a living entity. Even after the performance of hundreds of births of renunciation and austerities, one cannot attain even a particle of faith. 

But we often see that such faith can arise in the heart of a living being simply by the good wishes of a devotee. By even a momentary criticism of guru and the vaisnavas, envious and wicked rascals can uproot the creeper of devotion from the heart of persons who possess weak faith. 

[PADA: Yikes! The sincere people can make some progress towards God, but if they are suddenly victimized by the guru aparadha crowd, they can have their devotional creeper uprooted and destroyed. And that explains why thousands and thousands of people left ISKCON, having their devotional creeper uprooted by the guru aparadha offenders. 

Of course, the victims are also partly to blame, for possessing weak faith. As soon as the GBC announced that we have to worship their illicit sex and drugs guru's program, everyone should have stood up and protested. Instead, most of the victims argued with me, we need to help the guru offenders GBCs promote their worship of illicit sex and drugs acharyas. In sum, the victims were influenced by the offenders, i.e. they were weak in their faith.] 

However, they are unable to create even a semblance of devotion to guru and the vaiṣṇavas in the hearts of others. Such people, who are in the mode of ignorance, try to analyze the character of devotees and the Lord by their empiric knowledge, false logic, and useless arguments. 

Acting in their wicked, cowardly, or malicious way, they cunningly say, “I cannot offer any good to you, but can only offer you harm. Now tell me, what you will give me in return?” If while not doing any beneficial activity they could only remain neutral, then eventually nothing harmful would happen. 

However, it is māyā’s trick that no one can remain impartial in this world. Either one will do good or one will do bad. Those who cannot do good will surely do bad. After committing harm to others and destroying something good, such people will then claim to deserve a reward!"

Gaudiya Gosthipati Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Prabhupada
_Upākhyāne Upadeśa [Instructive Stories]

[PADA: Yep. Many devotees told me -- and still tell me -- they are going to remain neutral, but herein we find -- that is not possible. One has to choose good or evil, because one will overtake the other eventually. 

So all of the people who "remained neutral" simply allowed their society to be -- eaten up by the rats. And then the temples because empty; the harinama was almost declared dead; the books were changed; the children were mass molested; funds meant to feed the children were siphoned off to pay for the opulent lifestyles of a few elites -- and the children were left with insufficient food etc.; there has been terrible mass media coverage of all the scandals and murders; the society was sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse and declared bankrupted, and so on. 

The rats won the battle by default, because they were allowed to eat up the society almost unchecked. And that is the result of supposedly remaining neutral, the bad guys win. And that is Maya's trick. This is a wonderful explanation of the whole post-1977 history of ISKCON. ys pd]  

Hansadutta's BBT Successor's Youtube Channel

 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPA-B_6FVj7mGOCbxtfKgQA?

PADA: Hansadutta made this GBC guru disciple fellow in Russia his appointed BBT successor. Except Hansadutta had already signed a legal document giving up his BBT trustee post. And since this "successor" is a disciple of a GBC guru, he is giving legal threats and harassment to the Prabhupadanugas in Russia, causing headaches for the Prabhupada people there. And they also told me this guy is a famous big gambler and materialistic "gangster thug" type person, who should never be assigned a spiritual post. And he pals around with other GBC guru's thugs. 

It looks to me like Hansadutta wanted to cause trouble for the Prabhupadanugas most of his life, and he wanted to poke another stick in our eyes on his death bed. This Russian guy being appointed as the successor has not done anything helpful according to my associates in Russia. Rather it has caused confusion and more troubles for the Prabhupadanugas. 

After Hansadutta's life of: having his temples raided by the police; being arrested for being drunk on the plane; being arrested for shooting at occupied buildings; almost being killed by a disgruntled disciple for his having sex with this guy's wife (I saved Hansadutta from having his head blown off with a shot gun at the time); and then telling everyone to go to New Vrndavana when all the beatings and molesting was going on, and so on, Hansadutta tries one last trick is -- to cause us a headache. It never seems to end with these guys. 

Of course there are those who said -- hey why did you save him from getting his head blown off with a shotgun? That would have been a good outcome for all the people suffering under his regime. Well maybe, that means -- ya can't please em' all! Hee hee!

If Hansadutta had any legal authority to appoint a successor, he should have appointed a Prabhupadanuga and not another worshiper of the illicit sex guru program's disciple. He remained loyal to the molester messiahs and their followers -- to the end? 

It also looks like this guy is not having much progress, nor does he make many updates, in sum -- it looks like another example of Hansadutta's swindling program causing another mess. He even swindled this poor guy into thinking he is the successor. And that is evidently why, a number of ex-ISKCON youth say to PADA "these guys all have to die, as long as they are alive they cause misery and trouble for others." Evidently, true. What we really need is an independent pro-Prabhupada person to manage the BBT's process, who is not tethered to the deviants. 

Hansadutta failed to do that. And he was self-evidently too busy collecting guns, eating tranquilizers like percodans, having sex with allegedly a dozen disciples, drinking Vodka, gambling in Reno, falling at the feet of his pedophile pals like Kirtanananda, living opulently while his gurukula programs in India were starving the kids, etc. if not -- trying to have us Prabhupada people banned, beaten and killed, to bother doing the right things. And this was the sad conclusion to a life of doing the wrong things. 

If anyone knows how this guy's program can help us, let us know. So far it does not seem to be of much use. angel108b@yahoo.com 

ys pd   

ISKCON India Compromised Child Protection Office

ISKCON's Pedophile Acharya's Club

[PADA: ISKCON India is making its own (kangaroo court) CPO (Child Protection Office) using some of the same people who went along with the pedophile acharya's program all along, maybe since 1978, and who have kept it going all this time. Their problem is, gradually their pedophile messiah's program is being exposed more and more, and rejected more and more. 

Pancaratna and his clan have been pedophile worship promoters for most of their lives, they wanted our ISKCON kids to worship their pedophile pals as their gurus, and the result is, thousands of kids were molested thanks to these folks. And ISKCON went bankrupt, and many of these victim kids ended up hating the religion. "Job well done"? 

And Sulochan had to be murdered to cover up their molester messiah's project's crimes, and thousands of devotees had to be kicked out to protect their pedophile pooja regime. And Pancaratna is still in charge of anything at this stage? And they are evidently proud of their handiworks? Why are the same people who caused all these problems, still at the helm?]

S Dasi: That "India CPO" document is laughable, but also makes me want to cry. ISKCON India states they want Pancaratna to be in charge of a separate Child Protection Office for just India, that will have zero oversight by the International ISKCON Child Protection Office. 

Pancaratna is proposed in this document to be the CPO Director of India. For context, in a July 2021 ICC meeting, he spoke and wrote into the ICC's collective request to the GBC: 

“The ICC does not accept the ICPO, not only in [the Lokanath] case, but not at all. We do not accept the ICPO as a body, and we do not accept Kamlesh Krishna as a leader."

Video cued to that part:

https://youtu.be/iwVFyHMC7Nw?t=10181

Pancaratna and ISKCON India want their own CPO so they can keep admitted child molester Lokanath as an ISKCON guru.

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Kind words from a Prabhupada disciple doing service in India:

"Talking about integrity, I must mention that you have done a marvelous job in publicizing the Lokanatha affair. Who knows the outcome but you and the other young lady certainly fought a fierce battle and should be commended. I can't see your efforts being lost even if Lok. escapes punishment. His reputation took a major beating and the resistance to establishing a strong CPO has to have weakened."

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