PADA: Some years ago we got into a big argument with the Dayalu Nitai's Hare Krishna Community (HKC Jaipur) folks over -- who should we promote in Jaipur? They wanted me to promote them, the Hare Krishna Community (HKC) and not these guys, the Hare Krishna Movement Jaipur (the HKM).
OK maybe!
Unfortunately, then the Dayalu Nitai's HKC folks told me I have to listen to an audio of Radhanath's biggest supporters and groupies -- like Bhakta das, and read Bhavananda's best pal's Hari Sauri's attacks on me and Sulochana. I need to listen to the GBC's groupies to understand the issues? And I need to listen to people who support the pedophile messiah's regime to understand the issues? And PADA is offending "Saint Radhanath"?
And the HKC folks also were evidently infuriated that Tamal died after going to India -- to resolve the Windle Turley lawsuit, because he died just at the end of that meeting. And thus Tamal's people blamed me for Tamal's death. And then the HKC people joined forces with Tamal's group -- and complained PADA is bogus for causing the lawsuit -- which lead to Tamal's death.
Yep, as soon as the main founder father of their pedophile acharya's program dies, all sorts of people are crying -- and missing their leader. Meanwhile, various victims are telling us how happy they are that their tormentor is gone!
OK so the HKC Jaipur people evidently wanted Tamal to continue to be alive now, so he could create more problems for the bhaktas of the Lord. Did I forget to mention, Tamal is the founder father of the pedophile guru regime -- the same one that we had sued?
Why do we want that type guy around causing more and more troubles? Yes! A number of devotees wrote to tell me, good grief, it is a relief Tamal is no longer here mucking up the gears! Only HKC Jaipur ilk types of people are crying buckets of tears at losing their hero leader.
HKC's thug Prahlad das was even sending me death threats from HKC Jaipur, he was missing Tamal even more than the GBC people. And thus they are VERY lucky I did not report them to the FBI for orchestrating international terror threats coming from their location. I did not want to make a public scandal out of them. OK I was merciful to them.
In sum, the HKC Jaipur are self-evidently huge fans of GBC folks and their defenders. Sorry, we are not. And meanwhile it looks to us like the HKM folks are ACTUALLY getting nice "Prabhupada centered" things done over there without -- their demanding that PADA has to surrender to GBC's clones and defenders.
And yes, I am not a person who wants everyone to do what PADA is doing. We also need positive preaching, temples, deities, programs, kirtans, book distribution and so on -- to go on -- as well. And -- we like to see that going on! So -- this looks like a good job guys! I have also seen some of their other temple kirtans with lots of people dancing and chanting, and yep, we are fans of that process.
As a side note, one of the ISKM people in China has complained that PADA is useless and is not preaching. Ummm, another person who thinks we should not check molesting guru's programs? And allow children to stay in their schools? And not get hundreds of kids pulled from their schools? You are doing good, but you only have a teeny tiny program in China. And HKC also has a teeny tiny program in Jaipur. Good.
But if you guys think you are the only preachers, then you are another version of the GBC, over inflated egos. We are only important as members of a united group that is promoting the same thing. Otherwise, if one soldier thinks he is the only real soldier -- and he wanders away from the group, the unified army falls apart. Everyone just wanders off doing their own thing, and the overall process fails. And then the enemy wins by default. And that is seen by others -- and thus "the ritviks" are criticized as infighting.
That is not helping the cause. At the same time, I am encouraged because new people write favorable to PADA all the time, we are winning this war, albeit gradually.
ys pd
krishna1008: Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur Folks Have Not Responded
CW: I agree that we need to have good temple programs ... and this one looks fine with me. Of course ... no program can expect to be 100 percent what we agree to. We all have difference of style and approach and such.
ReplyDeleteYet we need to have some basis for making a Prabhupada central worship group ... and as long as they basically worship Prabhupada as the acharya ... we should be sympathy with them.
Always the same thing with the GBC ISKCON people though! Ain't it? Let's kill the man exposing the molesting system. Let's embrace those defending the molesting system ... and make them our leader. I see this all the time with these people. Same reason ... I am not popular with them.
If we are popular with them ... we need to ask ... why would we risk going to hell to have friends like these? No one needs friends like these. They do not understand ... a person gains karma from the people he promotes.
If a person misleads others ... and causes the blind to fall into a ditch ... then he becomes blind and is lead into the same ditch. These persons are blind leading the blind. They take others into a ditch ... and they go there too. They cannot comprehend the basic points of the Veda knowledge.
PADA: Thanks JD. Yes, not all of the Prabhupadanuga programs are going to be 100% pure, because things were not 100% even when Prabhupada was here. We had all kinds of falling down devotees, money scams, people running away with women and money, drug selling devotees, unwanted pregnancies, and who knows what else.
ReplyDeleteWhat kept the program going was overall the worship off Guru and Krishna. So I try to overlook personality issues with some of these programs and see how their worship is focused. I also tend to notice which programs are producing nice devotees who are asking nice questions. And if none of their people ever ask anything, it could be another closed minded cultish process.
HKC Jaipur is one of those programs, they consult with GBC lackeys and never ask us anything. That means they want to seek out knowledge from the wrong sources, because they are attracted to the wrong sources. If they had asked me about Bhakta das and Hari Sauri in the first place, all this ker-fluffle would have been avoided. But they did not want good advice, because they are still like minded with those deviated folks. Or what?
At the same time, anyone advertising as a Prabhupadanuga who is going to Radhanath's groupies, Bhavananda's groupies etc. to accept them as their higher authority, are not actually Prabhupadanugas. They are still tethered to the molester messiah's project.
Yes, that has been a problem. We have people advertising as Prabhupadanugas, but they have another agenda. Fortunately, they reveal their true colors over time -- and it is harder for the wolves to dress up like sheeps --
A lot of devotees told me, when it came to PADA choosing between HKC and HKM, you made the right choice with HKM. They may have their faults, but no program at all is another faulty process.
PD: Yes VD the HKC people made a video with Bhakta das and others -- and then they put their videos on their Hitler promoting web site. They have this web site full of Hitler promoting and almost cent percent of devotees think it is terrible.
ReplyDeleteEven GBC made a resolution condemning these Hitler-anugas. They just created chaos and confusion ... and no small amount of turning people off with their Hitler promotion program.
Then, after they advertised their video on their Hitler promoting web site, they said we have nothing to do with Hitler? Except, we cram him down everyone's throats! Hee hee. So we exposed them, then they got angry. They never explain why they are promoting GBC people, or Hitler, or any of it.
Srila Prabhupada said we do not even know where Hitler went, maybe he died in a bunker or whatever. In other words, Hitler was a coward and he let his people get bombed and killed while he was hiding. He is not a good leader and we should not advertise him, or his web sites.
The HKC said they are going to show everyone the right way to do things, but instead they did all the wrong things, which is why they are not followed and most people went away from them after that.
We never find the HKM folks supporting GBC's defenders, Hitler or etc.
ys pd