Preaching Love: But Having None (Ex-kuli)

Srila Prabhupada..."One who betrays the confidence of a living entity who takes shelter of him in good faith, whether that living entity be a human being or an animal, is extremely sinful." 

PADA: An ex-ISKCON gurukula student said: 

"ISKCON is preaching love of God, and love of everyone else -- 'all the spirit souls' -- as parts and parcels of God, but they have no love to give. They can only muster up isolated and cult - like love -- for a very small circle of people -- the GBC's leaders. 

The leaders then have -- all the big houses, big cars, big bank balances, big feasts, lots of servants, latest Apple laptops -- while the rest of us get treated like sh*t. What about loving ALL the living beings, like us? Where is the love for Krishna -- if we mainly love the leaders of a child abusing cult?

"They have no love to give. At all. It is a big fake show. If we are not within the inner circle of leaders, we won't get loved -- and we won't be treated lovingly -- sometimes even by our own parents. Many of our own parents have loved the 'sacred' inner circle of leaders. They threw us to the wolves -- because most of our parents gave everything to these leaders -- and not us. The leaders got all facility -- we got barely any. 

"And we still don't get crap even now. 

"We were not loved and still are not. These leaders get all the love -- and we get sh*t. They cannot love us -- because they have no love to give. They mainly love a teeny little group of misogynist men leaders and not 'all of Krishna's spirit souls.' Their love for Krishna does not exist -- or they would have loved us -- and all the others who suffered by their misplaced love. 

"These people misplaced their love. They loved the leaders, and so they caused this problem as much as the false leaders they have love for. There is no love to give -- but it is worse -- there is plenty of love -- for the horrible people posing as God's successors -- who created hell on earth for us devotee children." 

OK, could not argue with this person, because in fact -- pegged the whole thing. 

Just like the Berkeley police told me in 1980, "There was Prabhupada and then there were those who thought they were Prabhupada." Same thing, figured it all out. So here in Berkeley -- there was 100% love for Hansadutta. And they all thought he was "Krishna's successor" who is 100% "shaksat hari" same in quality as Krishna. So that means they were insulting Krishna every day by saying His "pure successors" are: fools, drunkards, womanizers, people who are having sex with half dozen disciples. And "God's successor" was always saying his pedophile guru pal was "the purest devotee on the planet." 

So they -- actually whole ISKCON GBC -- wanted people to love their sexual predators, deviants, and / or pedophile gurus and NOT love Krishna. This gurukula student is right, they have no love to give. And they have none to give because they are loving the wrong thing. They are loving selfish, foolish, self-aggrandizing megalomaniacs -- and not Krishna.    

And that is why they defended the enforced cult ritualistic worship of pedophiles and deviants as messiahs project. They loved that process, and not the real process. 

When me and Sulochana were opposing the GBC's guru regime (and its child molesting tentacles) Satsvarupa Das Goswami was opposing us. SDG said we are "poison pens," and he was simultaneously saying Kirtanananda is a great soul. Simultaneously Sulochana was complaining that Hari Sauri had been describing me and Sulochana as "bogus sahajiyas." Sulochana said, "these people are demonizing us, which is painting a bull's eye on our backs." 

In other words, our opponents have been trying to paint us as deviants, offenders and so on, so we could become targets of violence -- or even assassination. Which is what happened in actual fact, they orchestrated that Sulochana would be assassinated -- just as he predicted he would be.  

Sulochana was joking, "Wow, so us bogus gopi sahajiyas, who are supposedly wearing saris and smoking pot, we are the only people who oppose their program of worship of pedophiles as gurus? The 'sincere chanters of 16 rounds' are supporting the worship of these fools"? That is a major advertising for being a sari wearing sahajiya who smokes pot! Let us all do that, because we will be MUCH more advanced than the "sincere chanters."  

So this is rather amazing. Sulochana was incredulous that the GBC's guru folks were basically saying only us -- the bogus sahajiyas -- have enough discrimination to realize that deviants are NOT EVER God's successor gurus, while the "sincere followers" do not realize this point. At all! 

Of course, at the time even the mundane "karmis" were saying Kirtanananda's sitting on a big seat covered with the hands of dozens of boys is "pedophile heaven." So the sahajiyas, the karmis, and many others -- they could see the problem -- but the "sincere devotees" could not? So this was all bluff and false propaganda.

And so that became the standard for bogus ISKCON, the "sincere followers" have been promoting the worship of deviants and even pedophiles as "Krishna's guru successors," but not us -- the alleged sahajiyas? OK! Only the sahajiyas do not worship pedophiles as their acharyas, rather the sahajiyas worship pure devotees and not deviants. Does that make any sense? So this was all orchestrated by false preaching from SDG, Hari Sauri and others.

We also had problems with the Naranarayan Dasa Visvakarma / IRM folks / Kamsahanta / Pancali / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Krishna Kirtan / HK Jaipur group -- who formed a group and began quoting Hari Sauri's writings against me and Sulochana. They joined with the GBC folks saying me and Sulochana are sahajiyas. 

And thus they began quoting -- how did you guess -- Hari Sauri's writings against me and Sulochana. And HKC Jaipur thug Prahlad began saying the same thing, "PADA is not chanting his rounds." Yep, only lovers of their child molesting messiah's projects are chanting their rounds! Bowing down to kiss the jack boots of a pedophile messiah's club -- by quoting direct from their apologists -- is the result of love of God! Who knew! 

And this group also wanted to have PADA "removed from the internet" so they could save their mass molesting messiahs program by keeping that program. That deviant program gets to stay on the internet -- because they self-evidently love that program -- and not us. Let us remove PADA, and quote defenders of the pedophile messiah's program like Hari Sauri -- whom Sulochana said -- has painted a bull's eye on my back. So they love the people who have worshipers of pure devotees assassinated, to save their pedophile messiah's pooja project.  

So whenever there is a question about what me and Sulochana are doing to combat their child molesting guru project, the answer is always -- we have to kiss the jack boots of the defenders of the pedophile messiah's club, and read their version of events. Because evidently, they collectively love the defenders of the pedophile messiah's club -- and not us. 

And thus they quote them and their writings. Then, let us make pretend we do not know why there is a mass molesting process going on, when we are promoting the biggest defenders of that project? And the police told me, "These people hate your guts and they want to kill you." Yep, but there is love for the pedophile messiah's club folks?

Defenders who, incidently, are quoted by Sulochana as "painting a bull's eye on my back" -- to get me killed. Why are they always quoting the defenders of pedophile guru's project -- that assassinate the people who try to defend the children? Because they have love for that process, and no love for the people who are trying to rectify the situation. 

DP: I was in Mayapur gurukula. It was the same abuses taking place by Bhavananda. The guy was obsessed with mode of passion and anger which he took it onto to us Bengali boys. He never made any apologies. And he is going around EVEN NOW as if nothing has happened and he is totally innocent. Srila Prabhupada was on the other hand is the most merciful and kind. Where did you Americans get this nonsense from? Why did you treat the little children with such harsh hardships and trouble us in that disgusting manner?

And now Satsvarupa Maharaja is making an apology -- after almost 50 years later. After we are now grown up adults, and all the damage has already been done. This is totally absurd

S Dasi (#3): I was at the Dallas Gurukula during the time SDG was there. I was a "teacher," then just did support services. Satsvarup just locked himself up in his office, all day, every day. We were told never to disturb him. He didn't attend any programs or give class. Leadership? None. This is a very lame apology. He seems to maintain the delusion, and shares that with others, that he's very spiritual. It's ridiculous. He's caught up in all the trappings of being "spiritual." He should reach out to those students and others who have been abused, take some training in child abuse, and help them. Do some concrete spiritual work. Otherwise, this is a hollow and insincere apology.

G Dasa: Yeah....you can’t prelude an apology with “my abuses were not things I did” and then finish with “my guilt is not so much what I did to you”.

Pretty lame, in my opinion, and another example of how ISKCON has no accountability, whatsoever. Satsvarupa should have been removed from leadership amidst the allegations of abuse, period. He should have stepped down from sanyassa, what to speak of guruship, once he admittedly had an affair. We see this same case with Lokanath.

The men (and, of course, it’s always men) who deceived ISKCON by creating a ‘same as God’ dynamic and the zonal acharya system, and everyone who perpetuated it, deserve to be called out but, conveniently, that would be ‘aparadha’ and displeasing to Prabhupada. It’s a bunch of bullshit, frankly.

If this level of ‘guru worship’ doesn’t scream CULT, I don’t know what does.

AB: Well it's time to talk about this. Please keep in mind, when reading, that I was a child in Gita Nagari. I don't know the full truth or extent of what actually happened there. I think, as always, there are several levels / layers of issues being discussed here especially in regards to an Iskcon Guru. Thankfully, I was too young to be in Dallas, but my brother experienced horrible abuse there. 

I won't even attempt to dive into the the terrible concepts of "zonal acharya" as these men so graciously accepted total dominion over all who lived there. Since this was his zone, we have a pretty weak apology coming from a pretty good writer. But it is some sort of apology. Coming from a boomer guru, this might be a true revelation and the closest anyone will get to a real apology. 

It is something?! He is part of a group that might never be forgiven for their sins even if complicit by not doing everything in their power to protect the innocent devotees. Okay, the good news is he didn't actually abuse the children himself. 

I grew up in Gita-Nagari where he lived and lucky for us there were very only a few pedophiles who lived there or passed through. Of course, this was in comparison to New Vrindavana, run by a completely psychotic pedophile. So, in the Vaishnava Aparadha comparison chart for Iskcon gurus, Satsvarupa climbs to the bottom because he wasn't as crazy etc....etc.. 

He supposedly didn't systematically abuse his disciples, or steal the money and flaunt it. He is the best of the worst! I am kind of defending him only because Gita Nagari happened to attract people that were relatively peaceful, or didn't display outward psychotic behaviors. The teachers chosen there were decent hearted and the kids weren't abused or beaten. 

We were abandoned and generally neglected by our parents, but that's another discussion. In summation, they are ALL guilty! None of these gurus or gbc get to decide to what degree they took part in this evil perpetuated against innocent devotees. If you were leadership -- then you are absolutely responsible for all crimes committed. 

Is it to what degree they take ownership of their prospective abusive roles that they be forgiven? I don't know! Here we have the spark of a start to a larger discussion! Dear Satsvarupa, I need to hear and see much more groveling, more begging for our forgiveness, more atonement for everything! CHEERS!