[PADA: Hold on folks? The India ISKCON (ICC) folks are saying we need to help keep their known child molester guru (Lokanath swami) in the post of -- God's successor, messiah, guru, acharya, and parampara member -- but we need to get rid of Malati, because she wears an orange robe? Hee hee! Really prabhus?
So the child molester acharya's program continues, but we need to purge out the trouble making "women's sannyasa and guru department." We need to save people from driving cars with no brakes, and instead give them cars that have bald tires? Where is the fix here?
So GBC's official spokesman Jayadvaita swami says that ISKCON's gurus (God's successors) are being exposed "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and possibly children" and Lokanath is a merely by-product of that "parampara of gurus from heaven and Vaikuntha." And that process gets to stay in power in ISKCON. But Malati, she has to go, because she is too degraded and deviated -- and she is not -- a child molester? I am lost here, someone please help me figure this out.]
[PADA: Even deviant people who are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" are the correct persons to prop up as Krishna's authorized guru successors. And that is because we worship the "living bodies" of people who are often deviants, and we do not worship the actual acharyas and self realized souls. Worship of deviants is worship of a mundane body, and not even a good mundane body, but often -- a deviated body.
We at PADA have called this process "vapu vada puja" -- or bodily worship. The GBC finds a nice deviated illicit sex with men, women and children fool, who is maybe orchestrating murders of people who do not want to worship debauchees, and makes him their messiah. This is worship of a body and not worship of a transcendental being.
And then they put their homosexual and pedophile messiahs' "bodily remains" in a samadhi -- in India. And where is the INDIA GBC's ICC on that problem? Even some of my INDIA friend are amazed. They told me, "PADA has more concern for burying dead pedophiles in a samadhi in INDIA, than do the leaders of ISKCON in INDIA." Notice that ICC co-chairman GOPAL KRISHNA SWAMI is one of the biggest leaders of their "burying deviants in the dham" process.]
Whereas, Malati Devi Dasi has broadcast these derogatory and offensive statements to the whole world via her comments on Facebook, that has been seen not only by many ISKCON devotees, but also by many congregational devotees, as well as leaders of the Indian / Hindu community worldwide.
Whereas, Malati Devi Dasi has broadcast these derogatory and offensive statements to the whole world via her comments on Facebook, that has been seen not only by many ISKCON devotees, but also by many congregational devotees, as well as leaders of the Indian / Hindu community worldwide.
[PADA: Yes, but if someone says that God's successors and INDIA's ACHARYAS are often illicit sex with men, women and children deviants, debauchees, sexual predators, drunks, drug addicts, orchestrators of murders etc. -- no one seems to care? They are only upset when some woman wears and orange robe? Forsooth!
Sulochana said that the ISKCON leaders are not advanced enough to worship a bucket of dog's stools, because a bucket of dog stools does not ban, beat, molest, sue and kill devotees. And NOTICE -- no one has ever been able to defeat his argument. Which is why, they had to kill him.]
The ICC takes note that these comments of her’s have deeply disturbed many due to their racist and xenophobic overtones, that show ISKCON in a bad light, and that have the potential of having massive adverse effects on ISKCON in India,
[PADA: But burying known pedophiles and porno swamis as saints and acharyas in the dham does not show India in a bad light?]
No other relationship. This is Indian culture.
mātṛvat para-dāreṣu
para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
(Cāṇakya-śloka 10)
This is culture. This is called śrauta. From Srila Prabhupada's Lecture at Mayapur on February 16, 1976
=============================
This question was raised by Parīkṣit Mahārāja when Śukadeva Gosvāmī described the rāsa-līlā. So that . . . "Kṛṣṇa appeared on
this material world," dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya, paritrāṇāya sādhūnām (BG 4.8), dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya. "So why He
violated these rules of dharma?" Violation because, according to Vedic civilization, nobody can mix with other's wife or other
woman. Even in moral principle, as Cāṇakya Paṇḍita said, mātṛvat para-dāreṣu: "All women should be treated just like mother."
Not like the present society. Formerly, every woman should be addressed as Mother, Mātājī. And now they have invented
"Bahinjī." No. Woman should be addressed as Mother. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu.
from Srila Prabhupada's lecture at Vrindavan on August 6, 1974.
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So a brahmacārī is trained in such a way that although he has collected everything, but he does not claim anything. He does not
keep anything with him. Even though he has to eat in the āśrama, but that he will eat upon the calling by the guru, "My dear such
and such, please come and take your prasādam." It is said if the guru forgets to call him one day, he will not take his food. This is called brahmacārī, means strictly following. And they used to call every woman from the beginning of life "Mother." This is training. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu (Cāṇakya Paṇḍita). From the very beginning of life, all women they are treated as mother. That is the system, Vedic system. Everyone will call a woman as "Mother," never mind whether she is younger or older. It doesn't matter. Woman has to be addressed as "Mother." That is Cāṇakya Paṇḍita's instruction. Who is learned scholar? Who has got three qualification, he is learned scholar. What is that? Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu, "To treat all women as mother." Nowadays it has been introduced in India, "Bahinjī." No. This is not the etiquette. The etiquette is to address every woman, never mind whether she is young or old, as "Mother."
From Srila Prabhupada's lecture at Bombay on April 5, 1974
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Prabhupāda: These are all bogus things. One should train himself that matravāt para-dareṣu: all women, "my mother." Then it will be possible to live. . . Therefore the etiquette is to address every woman, "Ma." Ma, mother. That is the etiquette.
Brahmānanda: You say like "Mother Rukmiṇī"? There's a devotee named Rukmiṇī. You say, "Mother Rukmiṇī"? How do you address a woman? Do you say "Mother," and then the name of the devotee?
Prabhupāda: No. "Mother," simply.
Brahmānanda: Just "Mother."
Prabhupāda: Yes. They should be addressed "Mother." That will train.
Indian man (4): In our Indian culture they don't call the name of the mother never, children
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4. SB 3.24.40 – from the purport: “A woman is not supposed to take sannyāsa. So-called spiritual societies concocted in modern times give sannyāsa even to women, although there is no sanction in the Vedic literature for a woman’s accepting sannyāsa. Otherwise, if it were sanctioned, Kardama Muni could have taken his wife and given her sannyāsa. The woman must remain at home.”
5. She had fallen down and left ISKCON, after being in ISKCON for at least a decade. It is reported that she was a drug addict, was partnered with an ex-sannyasi, was running brothel, etc., during her time out of ISKCON.
The ICC takes note that these comments of her’s have deeply disturbed many due to their racist and xenophobic overtones, that show ISKCON in a bad light, and that have the potential of having massive adverse effects on ISKCON in India,
[PADA: But burying known pedophiles and porno swamis as saints and acharyas in the dham does not show India in a bad light?]
Whereas, her comments grossly insulted ISKCON India’s senior most leaders, many of whom are disciples of Srila Prabhupada as well as qualified second generation leaders who have been serving in ISKCON India for decades,
[PADA: Most ISKCON's guru followers and some of their dedicated ex-gurukulis have been attacking us "seniors" all along. For example! An ex-gurukuli just now told me that it is ok to worship child molesters as Krishna's guru successors "as long as there was no penetration."
That is self-evidently the training he is getting from a number of ISKCON's leaders, parents, elders and authorities. What kind of society says that a person should be worshiped as God's successor -- even if he is a child molester -- "as long as there was no penetration"? What kind of "Bhakti Shastri training" are we giving these people when that is what they conclude from all this?]
Whereas, the ICC is aware that Malati Devi Dasi has been engaged for years in reversing Srila Prabhupada’s many instructions that women be addressed as “mother” (mataji / mata), and advocating women be addressed as “prabhu” (a masculine word. The feminine is “prabhvi”), thus contradicting the clear teachings of Srila Prabhupada,
Whereas, the ICC wishes to point out that for many years, Malati Devi Dasi has been wearing saffron dress, and thus presenting herself as a sannyasini, that contradicts what Srila Prabhupada wrote in his purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 3.24.40, where he wrote that women are forbidden to take sannyas, and “must remain in the home”,
Whereas, the ICC notes that Malati Devi Dasi has a very chequered past, that in and of itself is a disqualification for her being a member of the GBC,
[PADA: But porno swamis and homosexual pedophile gurus are qualified to be buried in samadhis?]
Whereas, the ICC notes that upon examination it may be seen that she has little to show for years of zonal oversight as a member of the GBC. We know that she was removed as the GBC for New Vrindavan, and there are very few temples that she oversees as a member of the GBC.
Whereas, the ICC is aware that Malati Devi Dasi has been engaged for years in reversing Srila Prabhupada’s many instructions that women be addressed as “mother” (mataji / mata), and advocating women be addressed as “prabhu” (a masculine word. The feminine is “prabhvi”), thus contradicting the clear teachings of Srila Prabhupada,
Whereas, the ICC wishes to point out that for many years, Malati Devi Dasi has been wearing saffron dress, and thus presenting herself as a sannyasini, that contradicts what Srila Prabhupada wrote in his purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 3.24.40, where he wrote that women are forbidden to take sannyas, and “must remain in the home”,
Whereas, the ICC notes that Malati Devi Dasi has a very chequered past, that in and of itself is a disqualification for her being a member of the GBC,
[PADA: But porno swamis and homosexual pedophile gurus are qualified to be buried in samadhis?]
Whereas, the ICC notes that upon examination it may be seen that she has little to show for years of zonal oversight as a member of the GBC. We know that she was removed as the GBC for New Vrindavan, and there are very few temples that she oversees as a member of the GBC.
Therefore, the ICC feels that the most stringest action in this regard be taken by the GBC:
1. Malati Devi Dasi should be immediately suspended as a member of the GBC, pending an investigation into the above mentioned offenses. If found guilty, she should be removed as a member of the GBC.
2. Malati Devi Dasi should be banned from representing ISKCON in any official manner whatsoever.
3. Malati Devi Dasi should be made to understand that her statements are offensive, unvaishnava, and that she should undergo a regimen of atonement and reformation.
4. The GBC should inform the entire ISKCON world that her behavior by posting her offensive comments is censurable and subject to rebuke and strictures.
5. Unless the above actions are taken, the ICC resolves to refrain from any further financial support to the International GBC, and hosting GBC meetings in India, as a first step.
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Footnotes:
1. arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhīr guruṣu nara-matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhir / viṣṇor vā vaiṣṇavānāṁ kali-mala-mathane pāda-tīrthe 'mbu-buddhiḥ / śrī-viṣṇor nāmni mantre sakala-kaluṣa-he śabda-sāmānya-buddhir / viṣṇau sarveśvareśe tad-itara-sama-dhīr yasya vā nārakī saḥ
"One who thinks the Deity in the temple to be made of wood or stone, who thinks of the spiritual master in the disciplic succession as an ordinary man, who thinks the Vaiṣṇava in the Acyuta-gotra to belong to a certain caste or creed or who thinks of caraṇāmṛta or Ganges water as ordinary water is taken to be a resident of hell." (Padma Purāṇa, Brahma Kanda 25.15-18)
[PADA: Right, only porno swamis and homosexual pedophiles should be buried in samadhis, not us unqualified kanisthas. Hee hee! Tamal Krishna swami is the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project, yep -- he too gets a samadhi in the dham. We get banned!
1. Malati Devi Dasi should be immediately suspended as a member of the GBC, pending an investigation into the above mentioned offenses. If found guilty, she should be removed as a member of the GBC.
2. Malati Devi Dasi should be banned from representing ISKCON in any official manner whatsoever.
3. Malati Devi Dasi should be made to understand that her statements are offensive, unvaishnava, and that she should undergo a regimen of atonement and reformation.
4. The GBC should inform the entire ISKCON world that her behavior by posting her offensive comments is censurable and subject to rebuke and strictures.
5. Unless the above actions are taken, the ICC resolves to refrain from any further financial support to the International GBC, and hosting GBC meetings in India, as a first step.
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Footnotes:
1. arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhīr guruṣu nara-matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhir / viṣṇor vā vaiṣṇavānāṁ kali-mala-mathane pāda-tīrthe 'mbu-buddhiḥ / śrī-viṣṇor nāmni mantre sakala-kaluṣa-he śabda-sāmānya-buddhir / viṣṇau sarveśvareśe tad-itara-sama-dhīr yasya vā nārakī saḥ
"One who thinks the Deity in the temple to be made of wood or stone, who thinks of the spiritual master in the disciplic succession as an ordinary man, who thinks the Vaiṣṇava in the Acyuta-gotra to belong to a certain caste or creed or who thinks of caraṇāmṛta or Ganges water as ordinary water is taken to be a resident of hell." (Padma Purāṇa, Brahma Kanda 25.15-18)
[PADA: Right, only porno swamis and homosexual pedophiles should be buried in samadhis, not us unqualified kanisthas. Hee hee! Tamal Krishna swami is the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project, yep -- he too gets a samadhi in the dham. We get banned!
The guru is not an ordinary man? Yep! Rather their idea is -- the guru is LESS THAN an ordinary man. Their guru parampara contains "illicit sex with men, women and children," sexual predators, porno swamis and / or assorted criminal deviants. Ordinary men are much more advanced than these gurus?]
2. The offensive statements of Malati Devi Dasi that were seen on Facebook, are:
a. “Sadly, it is true that India, in general, does not have a grip on child abuse.”
[PADA: Well that is correct, ISKCON India is burying known homosexual pedophiles as its acharyas. It has no grip on the problem at all.]
2. The offensive statements of Malati Devi Dasi that were seen on Facebook, are:
a. “Sadly, it is true that India, in general, does not have a grip on child abuse.”
[PADA: Well that is correct, ISKCON India is burying known homosexual pedophiles as its acharyas. It has no grip on the problem at all.]
b. “Sick Indian "joke": What is a virgin? A girl who can outrun her uncle. No, not funny, but about says it all”.
[PADA: They also have to outrun the ICC gurus like Lokanath.]
[PADA: They also have to outrun the ICC gurus like Lokanath.]
c. “So we are trying for decades to deal with this push back mind set and some improvements have occurred but a lot lot lot more to go.”
d. “We are dealing with a "culture," if you will, that is heavily indoctrinated into these men.”
e. “A few are "getting it," after time and effort, but it's generally an up hill battle.”
f. “The Indian Bureau, made up of powerful men who take their strangled views to a new level and up tight hold against it.”
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3. So tapaḥ. And śruta. Śruta means education. Education means Vedic education, not this electrical education. No, that is not education. Nowadays they have taken education, technology as education. That is not education. If I become an expert electrician, that is not education. Education, paṇḍita, the Cāṇakya Paṇḍita, even in the lower stage of life, ordinary life, he said who is educated, paṇḍita. He said,
d. “We are dealing with a "culture," if you will, that is heavily indoctrinated into these men.”
e. “A few are "getting it," after time and effort, but it's generally an up hill battle.”
f. “The Indian Bureau, made up of powerful men who take their strangled views to a new level and up tight hold against it.”
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3. So tapaḥ. And śruta. Śruta means education. Education means Vedic education, not this electrical education. No, that is not education. Nowadays they have taken education, technology as education. That is not education. If I become an expert electrician, that is not education. Education, paṇḍita, the Cāṇakya Paṇḍita, even in the lower stage of life, ordinary life, he said who is educated, paṇḍita. He said,
mātṛvat para-dāreṣu
para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
(Cāṇakya-śloka 10)
This is education. Where is that education? Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu: all women mother. Where is that education? There is no education. Therefore in this age practically everyone is a mūḍha, not educated. He does not know how to look upon woman.
Woman should be looked as mother. Still in India, a unknown woman should be addressed, "Mother." They have introduced now in the northern India, bahinjī (?). No, this was not the etiquette. "Mātājī." This is Indian culture, not bahinjī(?). This has been introduced now. No. Mātrā svasrā duhitrā vā (SB 9.19.17). Woman's connection with man is as mother, as sister or as daughter.
para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
(Cāṇakya-śloka 10)
This is education. Where is that education? Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu: all women mother. Where is that education? There is no education. Therefore in this age practically everyone is a mūḍha, not educated. He does not know how to look upon woman.
Woman should be looked as mother. Still in India, a unknown woman should be addressed, "Mother." They have introduced now in the northern India, bahinjī (?). No, this was not the etiquette. "Mātājī." This is Indian culture, not bahinjī(?). This has been introduced now. No. Mātrā svasrā duhitrā vā (SB 9.19.17). Woman's connection with man is as mother, as sister or as daughter.
No other relationship. This is Indian culture.
mātṛvat para-dāreṣu
para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
(Cāṇakya-śloka 10)
This is culture. This is called śrauta. From Srila Prabhupada's Lecture at Mayapur on February 16, 1976
=============================
This question was raised by Parīkṣit Mahārāja when Śukadeva Gosvāmī described the rāsa-līlā. So that . . . "Kṛṣṇa appeared on
this material world," dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya, paritrāṇāya sādhūnām (BG 4.8), dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya. "So why He
violated these rules of dharma?" Violation because, according to Vedic civilization, nobody can mix with other's wife or other
woman. Even in moral principle, as Cāṇakya Paṇḍita said, mātṛvat para-dāreṣu: "All women should be treated just like mother."
Not like the present society. Formerly, every woman should be addressed as Mother, Mātājī. And now they have invented
"Bahinjī." No. Woman should be addressed as Mother. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu.
from Srila Prabhupada's lecture at Vrindavan on August 6, 1974.
============================
So a brahmacārī is trained in such a way that although he has collected everything, but he does not claim anything. He does not
keep anything with him. Even though he has to eat in the āśrama, but that he will eat upon the calling by the guru, "My dear such
and such, please come and take your prasādam." It is said if the guru forgets to call him one day, he will not take his food. This is called brahmacārī, means strictly following. And they used to call every woman from the beginning of life "Mother." This is training. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu (Cāṇakya Paṇḍita). From the very beginning of life, all women they are treated as mother. That is the system, Vedic system. Everyone will call a woman as "Mother," never mind whether she is younger or older. It doesn't matter. Woman has to be addressed as "Mother." That is Cāṇakya Paṇḍita's instruction. Who is learned scholar? Who has got three qualification, he is learned scholar. What is that? Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu, "To treat all women as mother." Nowadays it has been introduced in India, "Bahinjī." No. This is not the etiquette. The etiquette is to address every woman, never mind whether she is young or old, as "Mother."
From Srila Prabhupada's lecture at Bombay on April 5, 1974
==================================
Prabhupāda: These are all bogus things. One should train himself that matravāt para-dareṣu: all women, "my mother." Then it will be possible to live. . . Therefore the etiquette is to address every woman, "Ma." Ma, mother. That is the etiquette.
Brahmānanda: You say like "Mother Rukmiṇī"? There's a devotee named Rukmiṇī. You say, "Mother Rukmiṇī"? How do you address a woman? Do you say "Mother," and then the name of the devotee?
Prabhupāda: No. "Mother," simply.
Brahmānanda: Just "Mother."
Prabhupāda: Yes. They should be addressed "Mother." That will train.
Indian man (4): In our Indian culture they don't call the name of the mother never, children
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4. SB 3.24.40 – from the purport: “A woman is not supposed to take sannyāsa. So-called spiritual societies concocted in modern times give sannyāsa even to women, although there is no sanction in the Vedic literature for a woman’s accepting sannyāsa. Otherwise, if it were sanctioned, Kardama Muni could have taken his wife and given her sannyāsa. The woman must remain at home.”
5. She had fallen down and left ISKCON, after being in ISKCON for at least a decade. It is reported that she was a drug addict, was partnered with an ex-sannyasi, was running brothel, etc., during her time out of ISKCON.
[PADA: Malati is not your bigger problem guys. Hate to say it, but you have created an ocean sized smelly sewer. Removing one drop (like Malati) from your ocean of smelly sewer crap -- will not stop the smell. Or barely. Your illicit sex with men, women and children God's successors and gurus program stinks, and this is known all over the planet. It thus has to be taken out root and branch, to get rid of all the smell. ys pd]
angel108b@yahoo.com
NAC / GBC / ICC / CPO / ICPO / 3CPO Lokanath Swami Case.
ReplyDeleteBALARAM DAS (AUSTRALIA) — "1. The NAC requested that the Lokanath Swami case be turned over to the International Child Protection Office, which will work cooperatively with the North American Child Protection Office for a resolution that will be binding within ISKCON. The GBC EC has agreed and the case has been turned over to the ICPO."
Just take the NAC, ICPO, NACPO and whatever alphabet soup they come up with, completely out of the picture and refer this rascal to the Police Department for official legal investigation and potential prosecution. Shady cover-ups of 'Historical Crimes' cannot be tolerated and must be exposed!
[PADA: Yep. Someone just said, the ISKCON India ICC wants to keep pedophiles in the post of Krishna's guru, but remove Malati. Evidently this is all because -- she is not a pedophile.
Only the pedophile gurus are "forever keepers," others have to be removed. Then they make pretend they cannot figure out why there has been so many cases of molesting. This is the pattern all along. The pedophiles get the mercy and stay, the non-pedophiles get booted out. The problem all along. The good news is, more people are figuring all this out. Finally! ys pd] angel108b@yahoo.com
JG Dasa: It's an ongoing theme and not simply 'something from the past' ...
ReplyDelete“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity.”
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta / Sajana Toshani (18.2.13-14)
[PADA: Well yep, but the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as God's acharyas / gurus / messiahs / successors is something any ordinary citizen will reject as bogus and false. This is not really a very disguised or hidden agenda, they openly admit they have promoted deviants as their messiahs. And the public knows these people have been promoting deviants as their messiahs, it is common knowledge at this stage, not even hidden. But are they agents of Kali? Well yep, fer sure. ys pd]