Pankajanghri prabhu's "Serving the Demons" Question

PADA: Not really a good idea to go around saying:

Krishna's acharyas are often illicit sex criminal deviants.

Dear PADA: Is it not possible like sometimes even pure devotees like Akrura and Vidura are on the wrong side due to force of circumstances? Just being on the wrong side doesn't necessarily degrade them. Can you clarify this doubt prabhu?

Ys

PADA: There are examples of great devotees evidently serving the cause of the demons:

1) Lord Shiva. He is constantly encouraging and enabling the demons, even to the point of allowing them to take over the planets of the demigods. Of course this is all Krishna's divine lila. The Lord has an aspect that sometimes encourages the demons, because Krishna wants to fulfil their desires to be demons -- to some extent -- but only on a limited scale. Some souls wanted to be fully independent of the Lord. And He sometimes encourages that desire -- but it is never serious -- because in the end all of the plans of the demons are frustrated and ruined. 

Notice, the demons never actually "take over the universe" for any really lasting duration of time. All of these demons have to eventually be defeated and die, and Krishna knows that in advance. So it is a form of lila, it is not actually a substantial argument for us conditioned souls to support the demons. 

Generally, even after the demons take over temporarily, they are defeated and eliminated. This is simply an example of Krishna allowing the demons to think they are winning, but He always knows -- that never happens in the end.

It is not a program that EVER ends in success in any case. And we conditioned souls should not attempt to take on -- and duplicate -- such a lila ourselves. It is WAY over our level of spiritual realization. We neophytes need to follow the instructions of the acharyas to -- avoid assisting the demoniac.

2) Narada Muni. He is sometimes encouraging the demons, and is criticized for giving them sympathy and advice. I read a Hindu web page that alleges Narada Muni once sang a song of praise for Hiranyakasipu, and he did a silly dance to appease that asura. So this is another example of lila. Narada Muni is an agent of Krishna and he might encourage the demons -- because he knows the future fate of the whole situation. 

And that is evidently why Narada Muni is sometimes known as a sort of prankster joker, he knows the future of the whole situation and so he laughs at their attempts to conquer the Lord, since he has seen hundreds of thousands of these cases -- fail. And so he sort of acts as a pastime enhancer. 

Thus Krishna sometimes uses Narada Muni to be a fire starter for some lila or another, but again that has nothing to do with us conditioned souls trying to imitate these lilas. And all of the demons who get his "help," end up defeated anyway, which Narada Muni knew in advance was going to be the case. We cannot promote demons in ISKCON and expect ISKCON to thrive, it will be defeated and destroyed. And it has been.

Some demons wanted to kill Narada Muni and he told them, it is impossible for you to kill me in any case. Evidently, he has a non-material boody. We do not. We are nowhere near his level and so we should never think we can do what he is doing.

3) Bhishma. He also evidently fought with the wrong side. However, he wanted to see Krishna come after him in Krishna's military fighting mood, and he begged Krishna to kill him in this fighting mood. So this is also a lila. Bhishma is fighting with Krishna to see the Lord's military lila and again, we conditioned souls cannot imitate. Then again, Bhishma was defeated because, he was on the wrong side. It means, suppose we want to fight Krishna just to see His militant activity against us, we will not win that fight, and neither will ISKCON -- if it fights the Lord.

4) Vidura. Vidura was in the Kaurava house due to a curse. At the same time, he was acting as a spy to help feed information to the Pandavas, which saved the Pandavas from various plots. Again, this is ALL lila. And in the end, Vidura did speak up and protest. Vidura was always advising the Kauravas to make peace with the Pandavas, he was not really encouraging them to attack at any stage.

5) Akrura. Akrura was acting as a liaison between Krishna and Kamsa. Again, this is lila. There had to be some way for coordinating the lila of Krishna entering Mathura, and Akrura had that task. He was serving Kamsa in order to enact a lila, and that means he was serving Krishna properly. Again, we neophytes cannot try to imitate these pastimes. 

Besides that, it is not "Krishna's lila" to support a deviant acharya's group. We cannot really find any examples of great devotees supporting an illicit sex with men, women and children guru's program. That lila never seems to happen with any great devotees, because it is evidently not lila, it is illusion.

6) Putana. She wanted to poison Krishna, but she ended up being killed by Krishna and going back to Vaikuntha. Therefore, we do not know for sure how her previous births and actions lead her to that stage. She was obviously a special case lila scenario, which we cannot duplicate or imitate. Rather, the example of Putana is, we should not tolerate child abusers.

In the end, us neophytes are ordered to follow the instructions of the acharyas -- and not to try and imitate great souls who appear to have some form of compromise with the demons. Our position is very neophyte, we cannot artificially think we are another Lord Siva, Narada Muni, Bhishma, Vidura, Akrura, Putana etc.

These souls are engaged direct in Krishna's lila, and so they have a license to appear as encouraging the demons. Even Krishna Himself sometimes encourages the demons, "Oh yes, you failed to kill Me this time, so try again and maybe you will kill me on the next attempt." All of this is lila, and it is not something we neophytes should attempt, or even dream to attempt.

At the same time, the GBC's program has been -- to promote the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as God's gurus / acharyas / parampara members / successors; and to ban, beat, molest, sue and kill the Lord's Vaishnavas. There is no way Krishna and Srila Prabhupada would have wanted any of their followers to assist that process.

Apart from that, when it comes to the protection of women and children, it is the duty of all adult human beings to do that. It is not something that has to be done only in certain examples by very advanced souls. ISKCON has failed to protect its women and children, which is the duty of all members of human society as stated in the Vedas and as is practiced by all bona fide religions. 

When little children are being starved, beaten, abused, molested -- and there is an "anal reconstructive surgery epidemic" (and then resultant suicides of victims) then all normal, sane and moral humans know they have a duty to protest and rectify that situation. This is not rocket science. This is not something only known to devotees of Krishna, all regular normal human beings know they have a duty to protest that process -- or they will not be counted as basic level human beings. 

All the more need to protest when the victims are the personal property of a spiritual institution being conducted in the name of Krishna. We need to not only protect the children, but we need to protect Krishna's name from being associated with an odious molester messiah's regime. We have a double duty -- to protect the society's children, and a duty to protect the name of Krishna from being associated with mistreating children. Then again, we have a duty to protect all children everywhere from abuse and exploiting, just as a normal function of being a basic moral human being.

Even when the Titanic was sinking, women and children got onto the lifeboats first, because protecting women and children has been the policy for all human society since time immemorial. It is not some highly abstract and advanced concept, it is the foundation of even the mundane society. ys pd

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PADA: The followers of Narayan Maharaja were encouraging the "Vyas Pooja" of the GBC's gurus like Tamal Krishna swami. And when Narayan Maharaja was in Dallas -- yelling at our associates -- not to attack his best friend Tamal, we were putting together a $400,000,000 lawsuit for child abuse -- also in Dallas. These people have no idea what is Vyasa and what is a Vyasa pooja. Vyasa is not being sued for $400,000,000 for orchestrating mass child abuse, nor is another Vyasa in Dallas defending the false Vyasa, for starters. ys pd

VK: Which year was Srila Narayana Maharaja in Dallas? Never. You’re lying.

PADA: There are many, many public posts of Narayan Maharaja meeting with the GBC's gurus, having discussions between himself and Tamal, and his "rasika classes" for the other GBC, and so on and so forth. You can google that and find many examples. Narayan Maharaja invited me to his ashram in Fullerton in 1997 to discuss all this. He left me sitting all day, from 8 am to 5 pm, and not inviting me into his room. Then he sneaked off the property, not seeing me the whole day. Narayan Maharaja people advertise a certificate he got from Houston city officials, when he was in Texas with Tamal. I do not have to be advertising that, his followers are. ys pd

NM in Tamal's Houston temple: https://youtu.be/IJ57tyBCG30

Houston Tape 1
20090523 Houston Tape 1

NP: It's called denial. It's very hard to force someone to see when they do not want to. Regardless, I do not believe you are lying but even you prove you aren't lying the denial will still be there, I have seen it so many times and I am sure that you have too.

PADA: Correct. That is why Narayana Maharaja invited me to his ashram, but left me sitting outside his room from 8AM to 5PM. After not seeing me at all the whole day, then he sneaked off the property to avoid me altogether. He knew that he could not substantiate his support for the GBC's gurus like Tamal, and he would have looked foolish trying to answer any of my questions. So if their leader cannot honestly answer even one question, neither can his followers. NM knew that I was putting together the child molesting lawsuit against his "dear Tamal tree of Radha" friend at the time, and he did not want to be exposed. Of course they also all said I was "a liar" when I said there is child abuse going on, they enabled the child molesting. Calling me a "liar" is how they got all these children molested in the first place. NM helped cause the lawsuit. ys pd

NP: Its is certainly very gross ignorance that would make anyone side with such vile acts against children. Even ignoring what is perpetrated by it. People do not even believe there is such a thing as "taking the blood of children to enhance an adult's longevity" adri no хгоме .. what to speak of validating the foul interests behind on keeping such a thing silenced and swept under the rug. Big red walking bugs. And then they call you an offender... Offender? My gosh.