[PADA: Thanks for this link SD!
Oh no, PADA types are writing "scathing critiques of ISKCON" of the worst order! And on the public internet! Which is writing in the modes of ignorance! And! It is all being seen by newcomers who are Googling ISKCON and finding -- PADA. And worse, our idea that people should worship pure devotees -- and not: sexual predators, homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, illicit sex with men, women and children; and / or criminals "does not offer anything positive." Hee hee! Wow, worship of pure devotees and not debauchees is -- not positive? Who knew!
And worse, ISKCON folks never seem to respond to all this open criticism, which makes them look like -- dare we say it -- a cult! And yet BVKS is foremost on the list of people who avoid talking to us? He never does, he scrupulously avoids discussing anything with us. Although from time to time BVKS says worship of pure devotees is the ritvik deviation -- because worship of pure devotees is "not found in our tradition." Therefore we need to worship the BVKS lineage of sexual predators and their system of apologists and enablers, ok like BVKS. And / or we need to worship guys like Jayapataka, founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru's parampara.
OK, so ideally we should discuss internally -- agreed, but then we will be kicked out, if not banned, beaten, sued and maybe -- assassinated. There is no real internal discussion allowed, lets face it, or all of this would never have happened -- including all the mass child molesting which we protested early on, only to be booted out.
The good news is, even the ISKCON folks know we are out there now because, as BVKS says, their own people are Googling us to see our sites. So that means we are having success. In any case, I am sorry to have to report this, but yes, as a matter of fact we are telling people to worship pure devotees and not molesters, deviants and crooks, and unfortunately, BVKS still thinks that is not "a positive message." OK what is a positive message then? He fails to tell us?
Why is the BVKS process of worship of debauchees a good idea and message, and our idea of worship of pure devotees is a bad message? Someone tell us!, -- from the BVKS camp. They should tell us, what is the problem with our idea of worship of pure devotees -- and not -- the BVKS illicit sex with men, women and children guru process? Why is worship of pure devotees "not positive"? And how is BVKS program of worship of debauchees the positive idea? Can BVKS splain this once and for all? ys ps
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G Dasi: Clown number one he is! I will never forget how he did laugh ... and made others laugh about me ... when I asked a question about Srila Prabhupad ... He is playing a gambling game lol: be or not to be! ...
ReplyDeleteNMD: Yeah. He basically says we must speak the truth, but not too much of the truth... So help me God.
RSD: Right. When we ask real questions, he puts us off, changes subject, tries to humiliate and embarrass us. He laughs while many others are crying. There is no mercy in them. This is all silly comedy and clown show, but people are suffering sometimes very badly under these "gurus." Some people are now dead because of these gurus. And simply don't take responsibility for terrible catastrophes they make in the lives of others. Catastrophic failure to lead and manage. He still says it is bogus to worship the pure devotee ... because he cannot give up the guru game ... he another blood sucking parasite of ISKCON.
PADA: (to BBD) Bhakti Vikas has told many folks, we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada as the acharya "because it is not in the tradition." And he supports Jayapataka's enormous lawsuits spending $20,000,000 suing the ritviks, when many devotees are broke and destitute and struggling. Srila Prahbupada said spending money on lawyers is like paying a prostitute. So we should sue -- anyone who worships pure devotees, at great expense to ISKCON? Why? Aren't we supposed to be spending $20,000,000 printing books and making temples? Why does BVKS endorse spending all this money because he says Jayapataka is correct to make this lawsuit? And why should we sue people, to stop them from worship of the acharya? Why should we stop the worship of Srila Prabhupada? ys pd
ReplyDeletePADA: Sorry! Yes BVKS still supports the people who say worship of the acharya "is not in the tradition," and he has said that often. And he was saying that in 1978 when all this started. And thus BVKS says he supports Jayapataka, who is suing anyone who worships the acharya. Bhakti Vikas swami was arguing with us over things like Jayatirtha right out of the gate in 1978, he said then that we cannot get rid of these gbc gurus, because it is not in the tradition. He defended them then, and he supported Jayapataka kicking me out for objecting. That is what he said at the time to all of us, it is not in the tradition. He also says Jayapataka is his sannyasa guru, and he is an acharya -- and he is the person suing anyone who worships the acharya. BVKS fully supported that lawsuit, and they are suing anyone who worships the acharya. BVKS STILL says Bangalore is deviating ... because they worship the acharya, and not BVKS's pedophile messiahs project. He recently lectures that the ritviks are deviating ... ok ... because they worship the acharya. And they do not worship the BVKS illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs, indeed as their messiahs from vaikuntha heaven?
ReplyDeleteWhy does Bhakti Vikas support spending $20m to stop the worship of the acharya? BVKS has said that we were wrong to object to having Jayatirtha as the acharya "because it is not in the tradition," and he has been part of that process all along and still recently said the ritviks are bogus = they worship the acharya. Why does BVKS support spending $20,000,0000 to stop the worship of the acharya? If he agrees with worship of the acharya, why does he want to ban and sue anyone who worships the acharya? Sorry you are not answering the question, and neither does he. Ys pd