Serbia Devotee Presents Guru Tattva Arguments

Any sincere devotee can preach on behalf of Krishna 

and His guru parampara.

CV (Serbia): Do we have at present moment anyone from: Srila Prabhupada's disciples, or followers in ritvik camp, or in the GBC's "ISKCON Confederation," or in Gaudia Math Camp ... who has reached at least Paramatma level full and constant contact with Krishna? Or who has attained direct contact with Srila Prabhupada now? 

It will also be good to find out from the Lord Himself, or Srila Prabhupada directly, how long was the ritvik system was intended to last?  

Also, did Srila Prabhupada actually give an order to any of his disciples to serve as regular (diksha) Gurus? If we do not have anyone on that higher stage, it is a good question to ask ... and why not? Srila Prabhupada said that 40 to 50 years of practice KC is more then enough that one become realized devotee. Why are we not seeing them? 

[PADA: Or maybe he was encouraging people, but even in the Gaudiya Matha we did not see their followers become pure even after 40 or 50 years, as a general rule. Many / most of them deviated.] 

And yes, if no one is on that level yet, the conclusion is that only Srila Prabhupada's (Vani) instructions and guidance can be considered as fully representing Sri Krishna. Therefore, accepting him as preeminent siksha Guru for his followers is MUST, for any serious sadhaka who started the process after he departed to Krishna Loka.

[PADA: Yes, the Vani is the source of bona fide instruction for all of us at present, correct.

It is odd that the GBC camp / Gaudiya Math camp / Kailash camp / etc. keep saying Srila Prabhupada is "the preeminent siksha guru for his followers," but then they say -- he is not the source of divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) for his followers. Wait, if they are HIS followers, and HE is the preeminent guru for HIS followers, how are they HIS followers and followers of -- someone else, simultaneously? 

He is the guru for his followers, and not, at the same time? A Kailash groupie also recently said that anyone even now can offer their bhogha to Srila Prabhupada. OK they can offer bhogha to Srila Prabhupada, but he is not their guru, and they are not HIS followers?]  

Of course his initiated disciples should be respected according vaishnava etiquette and according how they strictly follow his instructions, and how they are presenting knowledge received by him accurately.

[PADA: OK that is the question, when the GBC folks say the parampara of gurus from God sometimes contains -- illicit sex with men, women and children, that is not an accurate evaluation of the parampara. It is a concoction, apa-siddhanta.]

Another point is that SIKSHA is the essential part of DIKSHA, and SIKSHA Guru is also full representative of Sri Krishna, and it is an offence to undermine the position of the SIKSHA Guru compared to DIKSHA Guru. 

[PADA: Yes, the shiksa guru has to state the exact statements given by the diksha guru, so when the GBC says the parampara is populated by deviants, they are not following the instructions of the diksha guru.] 

Same principle is there - they are BOTH transparent mediums of Sri Krishna, and this is how He delivers condition souls. And the actual SIKSHA Guru also must be at least minimum LIBERATED person, above all anarthas, and a person who attained bhakti in the real sense ... and in transcended brahman realization.

That is nistha minimum or above. Such a person is also full representative of Paramatma, since he transcended the mind and reached constant contact of Paramatma, so he can guide and instruct according will of the Lord. Siksha Guru is not cheap thing either, so both Siksha and Diksha Guru must be at least liberated persons under the shelter of Utama Adhikari devotee of the Lord, which is madhyama adikari stage at least. 

[PADA: Generally true, however anyone on any level can preach on behalf of the acharya, even the kanistha, and be considered as a type of shiksha (teacher) guru. OF course ... he has to present the message without adulteration.]

So to get such guidance, the candidate must be serious and sincere, and that is also not cheap at all, and some preliminary purification must take place in order to get a bona fide Guru. By the mercy of Lord Chaitanya, people of Kali yuga have such an opportunity, since Srila Prabhupada is present in his VANI, books, lectures, conversations, letters. 

All glories to Srila Prabhupada and all his sincere servants!

[PADA: More people are coming to the right idea, either front door, side door, rear door, but they are getting in somehow or other. Goody! ys pd]