[PADA: As we have said here many times, it is a miracle that Madhu Pandit was able to cobble together "the world's biggest free food program" in India of all places. Why? Since India is famous as a place where it is hard to get anything organized, like for example a good working sewer for the residents of Vrndavana, who are dumping open sewage in the Jamuna river. Nevermind the Jamuna is already severely contaminated way before it gets to Vrndavana. OK there is no real organization, no real "person in charge," nowhere to take your complaints to, in sum -- no head to operate the body -- as Srila Prabhupada would say.
So after 1997 the ISKCON GBC went against Madhu Pandit, because he declared that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya. And the GBC started a big lawsuit going all the way to the Supreme Court in Delhi -- which their GBC people told me was "in order to take down Madhu Pandit." And they even said their real goal is to have him put into jail. Never mind some of their folks said he should be maybe beaten up (or killed?).
Amazing! There is a court where you can go to in India -- and represent the ISKCON GBC's "illicit sex with men, women and children -- in Krishna's guru's and successors parampara program," and the courts will accept your case as valid! Yes, as a matter of fact -- Krishna is God, therefore His "guru successors" are having illicit sex with everyone in the house, maybe even the family goat! And that is what you want us to accept as a valid religion in our court here? Yup!
And the courts thinks this is a valid religion? Try that in Yamaraja's court! "I am here to defend the illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs program." OK, sorry you are now going to be taking birth as a stool eating amoeba, case closed.
And the foolish courts there think this GBC's molester messiah's project is a valid religion -- in India -- where they should at least have some nominal respect for Krishna? Where is the even most basic respect for God -- if the courts facilitate a program of the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children -- as God's successors? That means that Madhu Pandit is going to have to scramble to build some other means of keeping afloat, since even the courts are a ship of fools, and he did start a process to keep himself afloat. I think that is smart.
The upshot is -- anyone who wants to worship Srila Prabhupada should be banned, beaten, sued, jailed, and maybe -- killed. But for sure, sued. Unfortunately for the GBC, Madhu Pandit was by then a rising star in government and business circles, because he was making the Akshaya Patra "feeding the children" program, which made him a difficult target to take down. You could say, that program saved him from being "taken down." So Madhu Pandit became the sort of darling of the big leaders, thus the courts had to handle him gently.
So it was in my opinion, a brilliant strategy to have the Akshaya Patra profile. In India, even the high courts seem to have no idea that homosexual pedophile acharya's programs should not even be allowed to set foot into any court to promote their agenda and be accepted as valid complaintents.
In short, the homosexual pedophile guru program is even seen as valid in the Supreme Court of Delhi, while trying to subvert the idea of worship the pure devotee. And the courts there allowed the pedophile messiahs a seat and a position of authority there, even in various courts. So that means, you might need a feeding the poor program as a back up defense to give yourself credibility, and that will build a sort of defense wall to keep the shark pack from eating you up.
So when you are in a land where even the courts allow the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as the "eternal chain of acharyas from Krishna and India," you are in a world where you may have to take other measures to defend yourself. Yep, Sulochana said anyone who allows these butt sex pooja people are -- boot lickers for the butt busters.
Fast forward to today, and we believe Akshaya Patra has mainly served its secondary purpose, at least for the devotees of Krishna. It kept these devotees from being eaten up alive by the shark's teeth of the GBC, and their evidently pro-molester messiah's courts. And now the GBC's sharks teeth have been whittled down to a nub by the virus problem, they simply can no longer afford to spend another $20,000,000 suing the Akshaya Patra folks. Various of their temples are declaring "a financial emergency."
It is not really our main priority to "feed the poor," although we should do that to some extent, if that can be done without a lot of extraneous endeavor. The main priority for Krishna's devotees is to give Krishna to others. So I believe that maybe Krishna is saying -- it is time to hand off Akshaya Patra to the people who are actually in the business of feeding the poor, and let them handle it.
Although that is not likely to happen properly, if we look at how badly other chaotic charity programs are run over there. It may in fact turn out that Madhu Pandit the best -- or only -- person who can manage such a huge enterprise there.
Of course begging the question, why hasn't the India government started a program to feed the poor -- a long time ago? I forgot, same government has a court that defends the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as a chain of Krishna's acharya's successors, and allows burying pedophiles and porno swamis in the holy land of India. How could we expect such a government to govern anything properly?
Various people have criticized that I am a fan of Bangalore. Well yes, because anyone who wants to promote Srila Prabhupada as the acharya is an ally, and if we do not make allies, we cannot make any structure. If we have great teachings, but no means to implement the teachings practically, then hardly anyone will take these teachings very seriously. As is happening now.
In the beginning of all this Madhu Pandit was in a lot of open discussions with some of us "Western Ritviks." Not too long after that, he was being attacked by a number of these "Western Ritviks," which sort of convinced him to go his separate way. For example the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Mahatma das (LA) / Pancali / Krishna Kirtan et al. started to argue that Srila Prabhupada's whole program of taking donations from corporate folks is bogus. So actually there are attacking Srila Prabhupada more than Madhu Pandit.
Srila Prabhupada's program took donations from the Monsanto people, Bill Gates people, even abortion doctors, meat manufacturing plant workers etc. and this above team said that is totally bogus, we have to filter out our donations to accept only from pious sources. OK there are no really pious sources of donations, unless we are going to live off of donations from the PETA foundation. Notice they are giving the IDENTICAL argument of some of the Gaudiya Matha's folks, Srila Prabhupada is bogus for taking donations from sinful people and organizations.
And then some members of their team said Madhu Pandit is part of the Illuminati / deep state / serpent people from the Draco constellation cabal and all sorts of other haywire ideas, so he had to cut these "Western Ritvik" people off, because they were even more nutty than the GBC people in certain respects. Who would blame him? So he has to keep a clean profile if he is going to work with the top business managers and government people, thus he cannot be associated with all these nut cases. That is common sense.
Even now some of these nutty devotees are writing to tell me that the Midwest USA states are "opening up because they are liberating the people." Well yup, they are opening up more work for hospitals, casket makers and morgues. And business executives are taking more and more of their investment money to invest in making things in China, where they contained the virus, to set up shop in a place that is not in total chaos all the time.
So these devotees are thinking more and more people getting sick, dying and having no job, is therefore -- liberating them. It is nutty, and I also cannot be associated with these people for that reason.
Anyway, all this might be a sign from Krishna. Lets review all this connection to Akshaya Patra as our bigger source of interest. It has served us well, and we may still need it for some time to come. However, straight up preaching should also start to take more precedence, since that is the will of the acharyas.
And if straight up preaching had been done by the Bangalore folks a long time ago, i.e. "we do not accept that illicit sex with men, women and children are Krishna's successors," they would have won in the court of public opinion in 1997 and maybe (probably?) none of these court cases would have been allowed in the first place. The legal court would have been shamed by being associated with defending a homosexual and debauchees guru program -- and they would have dropped the case.
In sum, no court wants to be viewed as "boot lickers for the butt busters messiah's program," and if Bangalore had used this argument at the start, they would have won a long time ago in the court of public opinion and nullified the justification for a court case. In other words, had they actually preached, they would have won by straight preaching and not needed all these other side baggage programs.
Anyway, we like their programs overall, and their web cam events etc. Their Milpitas program here is doing great, and so is their NJ branch. We wish them well, and we hope they will do more preaching as this evolves. Madhu Pandit has said he is willing to try to form some collective alliance with the Western ritviks, once they get organized enough to present themselves as a viable operation.
That has been lacking, the Western ritviks as a group have not been able to organize and they are often infighting, including some of them who are infuriated I am not posting their political oriented links about "dead people voting" and all sorts of other deviated out croppings.
So Madhu Pandit says, once you guys get organized let me know, but he has had good reasons to be skeptical of working with the Westerners, who seem to be -- well sadly -- like India, unable to organize things properly. And worse, likely to stab the other ritviks in the back, and thus are not very trustworthy. Of course I am not despairing, we have made a lot of progress and we will continue to do so. And I am making much more progress with newer and more independent folks vs the old and rigid "senior devotee" club, including some so-called ritviks.
ys pd
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M. Dasi. I think you are right. Madhu Pandit could have brought forward "considerable evidence" to court ... the GBC are making bogus acharyas. And that is NOT following Prabhupada. Why does he not do that? It is a mystery to me ... all the while.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Madhu Pandit's influence in 1997 was Krishna Kanta Desai, and he said to me that we should make a deal with the GBC to make them ritviks. And he was against me attacking the GBC, he wanted me to retire and quit writing. He said to me if we use heavy arguments (like poisoning or child molesting) "ISKCON in India will be shut down by the government."
At the same time KK and Kamsahanta were saying, just be quiet PADA and we will have ISKCON all ritvik in 6 months. Wow! Delusional IRM people! Anyway so they thought they should back pedal on promoting the criminal aspect of the GBC. IRM Kamsahanta even tried to block me when I went out to announce the poison issue. So they wanted to play kindergarten patty cakes songs to the gangsters, not realizing what they were dealing with.
I think later on Madhu Pandit woke up to a large extent and he was using our arguments more, except the poison issue. Anyway some of the Bangalore people write me privately -- and they agree even with the poison issue. I think Madhu Pandit was worried that if ISKCON is shut down, so would his program. He knows the lay of the land there, and maybe he is right. In any case, my approach is to go in with all the info and let the chips fall where they may. I believe truthfulness will save the day, and it is.
Madhu pandit's program is producing some very nice and sincere devotees, so that to me is proof he has substance. Running temples and running Akshaya Patra at the same time is a very difficult balancing act, and it is amazing to me that it has lasted as well as it has all this time.
ReplyDeleteI keep getting complaints that Madhu Pandit's people are "blaming the Westerners" for all "the troubles" and so they discourage Westerners. Well, there may be something to that complaint. At the same time, India folks have been the biggest supporters / disciples of the molester messiahs program, thus India is not without its own problems. So I think it is a little unfair to blame one side or the other, both sides created the current imbroglio.
Anyway, time is on our side, I keep getting nice inputs from people all over the place and our idea is growing, albeit grass roots. However that is how a building is made, one brick at a time, and we keep getting new bricks to add to the building regularly. And some of the people we get nice input / questions from, are part of the Bangalore group, so that is itself a positive sign
Meanwhile, the reason Dayalu Nitai's "Hare Krishna Community Jaipur" got sucked into promoting the Radhanath lovers club and Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri, they do not consult with the other ritvik devotees. The ritviks need to all unite on the same points, if we are to act as a cohesive process. We cannot have some people marching along with parts of the GBC defense team, at the same time claim to be ritviks.
That is also what is so baffling about the India court case. They said that Madhu Pandit needs to work out "cooperation with the GBC." So, we need to have the worship of Krishna, "cooperating" with the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as Krishna's successors? Where do they come up with this stuff? We need to have the worship of Jesus, cooperating with the worship of Satan? Hee hee, ok not something even the average USA citizen would agree to. We need to worship Jesus, and simultaneously "cooperate" with the worship of pedodphiles, sexual predators, homosexuals, drunks, and drug addicts? No normal USA citizen would ever agree to that, and indeed they would think this idea is totally perverted and sick. And that is one good thing about the West, we know we cannot have the worship of Jesus "cooperating" with the worship of perverts, molesters and criminals.
ys pd