Who is a resident of Krishna's loka?
Gaura Gopala blocked me when I said we cannot mix regular devotee fall downs with acharyas having alleged fall downs.
https://gauragopala.blogspot.com/2020/11/it-is-very-dangerous-for-us-to-judge.html?
GGD: It is very dangerous for us to judge a devotee of Krishna based on rumors, gossip or even fall downs because we do not know the heart of that devotee and his / her love for Guru and Krishna.[PADA: The GBC are not claiming to be rank and file "devotees," they are claiming to be full fledged self realized acharyas. Anyone who loves their guru would not ever dare to claim to be their guru's successor prematurely. That can only be done when they are fully qualified for that post. People who are falling down left, right and center are simply -- not qualified to take the post of guru and God's successor.
This is the same problem we have with guys like Bhakti Vikas swami. He says his GBC people -- who are maybe thinking of illicit sex -- are gurus who are thinking of Krishna. Nope! Srila Prabhupada says the conditioned souls who are thinking of illicit sex are NOT thinking of Krishna and it is a VERY SERIOUS APARADHA to mix these levels together.
A neophyte will likely have many unwanted desires (anarthas) and he needs to become free of these desires BEFORE claiming to be advanced even to the Madhyam plane, never mind the Uttama plane. Madhyam devotees start at the point of being free of anarthas. Then again a Madhyam devotee does not take the post of acharya and claim to be able to absorb the sins of others etc., because his position is still not fully fixed.
Krishna makes the female form (Radha) for His enjoyment and not ours. If someone does not understand this point, he is not a guru. And he does not rank too high even in the neophyte's status.]
Even on the Spiritual path, a devotee sometimes makes mistakes however, that is between them and the Spiritual Master to deal with.
Even on the Spiritual path, a devotee sometimes makes mistakes however, that is between them and the Spiritual Master to deal with.
[PADA: That has not been the problem. The GBC system has been banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating Vaishnavas. This is not a one time mistake -- because it is a pattern going on for decades, it is conscious deviation and offense. The GBC says acharyas are often falling into illicit sex with men, women and children the whole time practically, that is not a one time error.]
It is very dangerous for us to judge a devotee of Krishna based on rumors, gossip or even fall downs because we do not know the heart of that devotee and his / her love for Guru and Krishna. Krishna and the Spiritual master never look at the faults of an aspiring devotee, they ONLY see their service. And based on that service, the Guru instructs his disciple according to their level of faith and commitment which may seem heavy to others and outsiders.
The word 'Guru' means heavy.
That is why the Guru or Spiritual Master sometimes instruct his disciple by chastising them or glorify them differently, based on the disciples commitment and realizations. For example, an already initiated disciple will always get different instructions than an aspiring un-initiated seeker of truth who is beginning their Spiritual path.
This is because more is expected from an initiated disciple who knows the rules and regulations and has already made their choice and promised to serve his Spiritual Master to be trained for spiritual awakening. In this way, the relationship between Guru and disciple is VERY personal, special and unique between them, and NOT understood by others.
So we should be very careful not to judge others (offend) even if they have previously fallen down due to some difficulty.
[PADA: This is what we hear all the time, such and such GBC guru fell down, but now he is rectified. That means they think acharyas are in the process of rectification and they are not cleared of deviations already. The GBC has a "guru reform" program, that means they think acharyas are deviants who need reform.]
It is very dangerous for us to judge a devotee of Krishna based on rumors, gossip or even fall downs because we do not know the heart of that devotee and his / her love for Guru and Krishna. Krishna and the Spiritual master never look at the faults of an aspiring devotee, they ONLY see their service. And based on that service, the Guru instructs his disciple according to their level of faith and commitment which may seem heavy to others and outsiders.
The word 'Guru' means heavy.
That is why the Guru or Spiritual Master sometimes instruct his disciple by chastising them or glorify them differently, based on the disciples commitment and realizations. For example, an already initiated disciple will always get different instructions than an aspiring un-initiated seeker of truth who is beginning their Spiritual path.
This is because more is expected from an initiated disciple who knows the rules and regulations and has already made their choice and promised to serve his Spiritual Master to be trained for spiritual awakening. In this way, the relationship between Guru and disciple is VERY personal, special and unique between them, and NOT understood by others.
So we should be very careful not to judge others (offend) even if they have previously fallen down due to some difficulty.
[PADA: This is what we hear all the time, such and such GBC guru fell down, but now he is rectified. That means they think acharyas are in the process of rectification and they are not cleared of deviations already. The GBC has a "guru reform" program, that means they think acharyas are deviants who need reform.]
Also the fact is, because of a devotee's early training as a brahmacari (male) or Brahmacarini (female) in the Temple Ashram, the devotee has a better chance of remembering Krishna, even if there are some difficulties along the path. Just like the pastime of Arjamil in Srimad Bhagavatam, there can be causeless mercy, or there can be a genuine effort to never give up no matter what happens.
[PADA: The life of sinful Ajamil, and the life of an acharya, cannot be blended together, sorry!]
Just like a child never gives up trying to walk no matter how many times he falls down. Hare Krishna. Krishna is everyone's dear friend who selflessly offers more service to His genuine dedicated dear selfless "friends", than they can EVER do for Him as seen in painting below.
To the inhabitants of Goloka-Vrindavana, Krishna is NOT known as the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, although He is seen as someone very special, admired and unique. To the inhabitants of Goloka-Vrindavan Krishna is NEVER referred to as the Supreme Lord who they all bow down too and worship like they do in the Vaikuntha planets with Vishnu or Narayana.
No, they do not care for that in Goloka-Vrindavana, to them, Krishna is just a wonderful caring selfless little boy and their best friend who always looks out for them, who they all love Him very dearly and would do anything to please Him.**
Just like a child never gives up trying to walk no matter how many times he falls down. Hare Krishna. Krishna is everyone's dear friend who selflessly offers more service to His genuine dedicated dear selfless "friends", than they can EVER do for Him as seen in painting below.
To the inhabitants of Goloka-Vrindavana, Krishna is NOT known as the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, although He is seen as someone very special, admired and unique. To the inhabitants of Goloka-Vrindavan Krishna is NEVER referred to as the Supreme Lord who they all bow down too and worship like they do in the Vaikuntha planets with Vishnu or Narayana.
No, they do not care for that in Goloka-Vrindavana, to them, Krishna is just a wonderful caring selfless little boy and their best friend who always looks out for them, who they all love Him very dearly and would do anything to please Him.**
[PADA: OK so the GBC are acharyas aka "residents of Krishna loka," "Goloka-Vrndavana" etc., therefore, they are often falling into illicit sex with men, women and children. And drinking beer, shooting at occupied buildings, watching porno etc. Really Gaura Gopala das?
The residents of Krishna loka are having illicit sex left, right and center, and that is something "we can not criticize because no one knows their real relationship with Krishna"? We already know what is what here, they are falling because they do not have a fixed relationship with Krishna, and these falling down clowns are for sure -- not residents of Krishna's loka. ys pd]
Hare Krishna Puranjana Prabhu
ReplyDeletePlease accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Just so you know, Gaura Gopal was caught with a collection of pedophilia photos of the young gurukul boys at New Govardhana, Australia, back in the late 80s, early 90s.
He was caught red handed, but has never been charged (as usual) or admitted his fault (as usual). This is probably the reason he likes to be an apologist for others who are deviant and fallen.
Thanks again for your strong preaching and honest leadership.
Your servant,
R das
[PADA: Affection for the pedophile guru agenda is what many people (including news media type people) ask me about on a regular basis, are these GBC type folks mostly homosexuals, or even pedophiles, which would explain their affection for that agenda?
Same question started to happen with the Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan etc. group when they attacked me. Various people began to ask me the same question, are most of these guys homosexuals, or pedophiles, or just why is it is they are in favor of that agenda? Prahlad das even admits to me he is working hand in glove with the pedophile pooja goondas, as he threatens to have me killed by his pedophile guru goonda pals.
So there are a lot of people who either openly or secretly are with the worship of pedophiles, because they have all or part of that deviation within themselves, and it oddly gives them comfort to see their deviation being worshiped as gurus and as good as God.
So there is a lot of reason to suspect some hidden agenda here, from all these types of folks. Thanks for this info, it makes a lot more sense to me now why he is their lap dog. One GBC guru supporter who is actually a senior devotee to me was arrested in India for child porn on his computer. How did you guess, he is a fan club member of the GBC guru club. It never ends with these folks. Anyway, let us expose them, that is our best counterpoint at this juncture. ys pd]