[PADA: If someone has a 2021 Calendar with Vaishnava dates, please send to: angel108b@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 30, 2020
Saragrahi Art Calendar 2021
Saragrahi Art: I wanted to give you a gift at the end of Kartik. A calendar for the next year. You can print it on good quality, hard paper. It would be a nice gift for Christmas if you celebrate it.
Nandarani DD Passes Away
Dayananda Das: Nandarani devi passed away this morning from brain cancer. What follows is a brief description of her time with Srila Prabhupada.
In early 1967, Nandarani was eighteen years old. She’d come to San Francisco from L.A. with her boyfriend to check out the hippie scene. There she ran into a friend on the street, who took her to the temple where she had prasadam and in the evening met Prabhupada. From that time, she served Prabhupada’s ISKCON for twenty-two years.
The year she turned nineteen she met Prabhupada, helped him cook for her wedding ceremony, opened what later become ISKCON’s World Headquarters, and had the first of her three children. Nandrani was one of ISKCON’s empowered pioneers.
In early February 1967, she ran into a friend in San Francisco who took her to the Hare Krishna temple. She loved the meal of prasadam they gave her, so she brought her boyfriend back that evening. She enjoyed the kirtan, but more than that, she liked the lecture given by the interesting old man from India, Swami-ji.
A month later she took initiation from Swami-ji, and then in two weeks he married her and her husband, with their families sitting on the floor, listening to the swami chant strange mantras while he poured ghee into a fire that filled the storefront temple with smoke.
For two consecutive days before the wedding, she and the other women had helped Swami-ji cook the large feast that she’d financed with a month’s salary from her job at the phone company. Swami-ji observed her at that time as well as in the coming months as she attended classes and did services in the temple.
In mid-1967, Swami-ji wrote her husband, Dayananda, from New York, noting that his wife was very intelligent.
He continued: “It is the Grace of Lord Krishna that He has put me in contact with so many rare souls who are taking Krishna Consciousness in all seriousness, and I am confident that in the future all my student boys and girls will preach this Krishna Consciousness in the western world more successfully.”
In August, she, her husband, and Aniruddha traveled from San Francisco to Los Angeles and opened a storefront temple there. A month later, they received a letter from Swami-ji, who was in India. He wrote: “I had great desire to have our center in L.A. & by grace of Krishna you have fulfilled my desire.”
That first year had not yet ended. Her daughter had not been born. Then, in November, Swami-ji identified her as one of the seven leaders of his fledgling movement in a letter to Brahmananda: “I wish that you will remain in charge of New York, let Satsvarupa be in charge of Boston, Let Mukunda be in charge of San Francisco, let Janardana be in charge of Montreal. Let Nandarani and Dayananda be in charge of Los Angeles. And let Subala das be in charge of Santa Fe.”
In February 1968, Swami-ji visited his five-month old temple in L.A. for the first time. During a lecture he quoted a verse by Sarvabhauma Bhattacharya and asked if the devotees knew who he was. Nandarani said, “He was a great impersonalist who was converted by Lord Caitanya to Vaishnavism.
Swami-ji said, “Yes,” and to the other devotees, “Nandarani knows better than you.” They laughed, and he continued: “So girls are intelligent.”
It was clear that Prabhupada appreciated the work that she was doing in L.A. In April of that year, he wrote to her and her husband: “Nandarani is very intelligent girl, both of you execute nicely and try to bring up your daughter in the same spirit, and live nicely in Krishna Consciousness.”
In anticipation of his next visit to L.A., he wrote her a long letter in which he said he appreciated that she was arranging lectures for him. “I am very much pleased with your preaching enthusiasm when you say, ‘If people won't come to us here, we will go to them.’ And this is the process of preaching, and this is required. I thank you very much for your spirit.” He concluded by saying, “I am very glad that you are so inquisitive and trying to understand things in proper perspective. So, I am always at your service, and you are welcome to write and inquire from me at any time.”
Than after arriving in L.A., during a lecture, Prabhupada commented on vatsalya (parental) rasa: “Just like this girl, Nandarani, is raising her daughter, always giving service. The child is accepting service from the parents. Her business is only to accept. Torture and accept service. So, devotees accept Krishna as son so that Krishna may simply torture them and accept service.”
The next year, devotees moved to a larger temple, an old church. By this time the movement had developed so much that Prabhupada was receiving many letters, so he decided to ask Nandarani for help in answering some of the more routine ones. He gave her a letter that asked about the real meaning of Omkara. She wrote, “It is explained clearly in the twenty-first chapter of the Teachings of Lord Caitanya…” Then she gave a detailed explanation.
Prabhupada checked her response and wrote her back a short note: “The answers are all right and you directly write him.”
The movement expanded at a whirlwind speed. She continued to be an important part of it for two more years in L.A., sometimes as Prabhupada’s driver, other times cooking for him, and always doing service in the temple. Then she and Dayananda went to London.
From there, she wrote and expressed her desire to be fully surrendered, and he replied: “I am so much obliged to you for your nice sentiments. Krishna will bless you.” And in another letter, “I am very much pleased that you are fully engaged in attending Sri Sri Radha and Krishna in London temple and that you are finding great satisfaction by pleasing always Their Lordships.” […] “I am always remembering with pleasure you and your good husband Dayananda, and how you have been with me practically since the first…”
Her next stop was the gurukula in Dallas, and Prabhupada wrote: “I have seen this special Rathayatra issue of ‘Back to Godhead’ written by you, and I am so much pleased that so intelligently you have assorted the matter to completely understand our philosophy in a nutshell. I know that you are very intelligent and educated girl, so fully kindly utilize it for developing the Dallas institution for the benefit of all the children.”
After Dallas, she and her husband went to Iran, and Prabhupada wrote her: “Try to publish Persian books as many as possible. That will be a big success. Iranians have very much respect especially for the Americans, and your dealings with them will be very much appreciated.”
Later that year, Prabhupada came to Iran. He gave no formal lectures, but his disciples brought interested Iranians to meet with him. In one conversation, Prabhupada began to speak about the form of God. He said that if Moslems pray, then Allah must hear. “What do they pray?”
Nandarani answered, “For glorification of God.”
Prabhupada said, “Glorification means something about God, his activities, characteristics. What do they say?”
“God is great.”
“God is great, but how He is great?”
She said, “That is not emphasized, how He is great, just that He is great.”
“Then there is the proof of less intelligence. God is great, very good. But how He is great? What is the conception of greatness?” […] “So, if I do not know about God, if I do not know who is God, then where is the question of love?”
Prabhupada said, “Glorification means something about God, his activities, characteristics. What do they say?”
“God is great.”
“God is great, but how He is great?”
She said, “That is not emphasized, how He is great, just that He is great.”
“Then there is the proof of less intelligence. God is great, very good. But how He is great? What is the conception of greatness?” […] “So, if I do not know about God, if I do not know who is God, then where is the question of love?”
On a business trip to New York, Atreya Ṛṣi, who was in charge of the preaching in Iran, met with Prabhupada. During the conversation, Atreya explained that all the devotees were working at regular jobs so that they could stay in the country and maintain the center there. Prabhupada inquired, “And so Nandarani is also working?”
Atreya said that she was teaching.
Prabhupada said, “She has got experience.”
“Yes, she's very good.”
“Both of them are very intelligent,” said Prabhupada. “And Nandarani is more intelligent than her husband.” He laughed. “I know that.”
Atreya, who was quite fond of Dayananda, said, “I find that he is very intelligent, Śrīla Prabhupada.”
“Ah, Dayananda.”
“Yes.”
“He is intelligent,” said Prabhupada, “but Nandarani is still more intelligent.” Again, he laughed. “I know that. Both of them are intelligent, but this girl appears to be more intelligent. That's all right.”
Prabhupada said, “She has got experience.”
“Yes, she's very good.”
“Both of them are very intelligent,” said Prabhupada. “And Nandarani is more intelligent than her husband.” He laughed. “I know that.”
Atreya, who was quite fond of Dayananda, said, “I find that he is very intelligent, Śrīla Prabhupada.”
“Ah, Dayananda.”
“Yes.”
“He is intelligent,” said Prabhupada, “but Nandarani is still more intelligent.” Again, he laughed. “I know that. Both of them are intelligent, but this girl appears to be more intelligent. That's all right.”
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Delhi
3 October, 1967
My Dear Nandarani, Krishna devi, Subala das, and Uddhava,
Please accept my blessings. I am very glad to know that you are now in Los Angeles & organizing the most important temple. I had great desire to have our center in L.A. & by grace of Krishna you have fulfilled my desire. I had another great desire to open a temple in London and hoped also that Kirtanananda after accepting sannyasa would do this job.
For this purpose he was given an introductory letter to a London lady along with expenses. However out of his whim he did not go to London but went directly to New York. This is a terrible example and it has shocked me.
Your service attitude encourages me because Krishna can never be an order supplier. We should always remember that Krishna is the only order giver. His order is received through the agency of the spiritual master. The bona fide spiritual master is the manifest representative of Krishna.
The spiritual master is described in the scriptures as good as Krishna because he is the most confidential servitor of Krishna. To please the spiritual master is to please Krishna. On this principle we must advance our Krishna Consciousness and there is no danger.
Dayananda, Nandarani and Uddhava first went to L.A. to open this branch & in the absence of Dayananda, Subala and Krishna devi have come to help. Whenever there is new branch of our society for Krishna Consciousness I become very very happy, & my blessings in heart and soul are with you. I went to your country for spreading this information of Krishna Consciousness & you are helping me in my mission although I am not physically present there but spiritually I am always with you. Our procedure is very simple and consistent. We chant, we read from Bhagavad-gita & Srimad-Bhagavatam and we distribute prasadam.
Another thing I request is that everything in the Temple should be kept nice and clean. Everyone should wash hands before touching anything of Krishna’s. We should always remember that Krishna is the purest & similarly only the pure can associate with Him. Cleanliness is next to Godliness.
As to my returning to U.S., I wish to get a permanent visa this time so that I may work without being checked as to my moving. Please therefore consult Mukunda (S.F.), Brahmananda (N.Y.) Janardana (Montreal), Rayarama (Boston) & send me either immigration papers or permanent visa on the strength of becoming minister of the society. I am now 90% fit to go to your country. I am starting for Calcutta on the 9th and my address there is on the front of envelope.
Your ever well-wisher
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
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[PADA: Another pioneer trooper is taken away -- to find her devotional service to Krishna on another platform. Again, we have to note that cancer seems to be one of the prime reasons devotees are passing away these days. Something is amiss in our estimation, and in the estimation of our friend who has been 25 years serving as a hospital nurse.
Anyway, she did a lot to serve Krishna -- and certainly Krishna will never forget that. Another trooper goes away! God speed spirit soul. May Krishna bless you in your soul's travels. ys pd]
Sunday, November 29, 2020
Srila Prabhupada Original Books Online (Update)
To propagate the online distribution of original first edition Srimad Bhagavatam sets, the following links are given below for all the devotees to take the benefit of the nectar.
Folder for SB 1972 on-wards first edition original books -
Folder for Delhi Bhagavatams-
For more first edition original books for download please visit any of the following sites:
Little Known History of Nimbarkacarya
[PADA: Not sure if all this can be verified, but it would be interesting if any of our scholarly readers could comment on this history more. ys pd]
Nimbārkacharya is immersed in the worship of the holy murti Śhrī Sarveśhvara Bhagavān, ( a Saligram Sila) which was given to him by Śhrī Nārada Muni (holding a vina). Nārada had received it from the four sages: Sanaka, Sanandana, Sanātana and Sanatkumāra; and they received it from Nārāyaṇa Himself in the incarnation of Śhrī Haṁsa (the white swan)
Nimbarka Sampradaya is also known as Kumāra Sampradāya, Hamsa Sampradāya, and Sanakādi Sampradāya. According to tradition, the Nimbarka Sampradaya Dvaiat-advaita philosophy was revealed by Śrī Hansa Bhagavān to Sri Sankadi bhagwan, one of the Four Kumaras; who passed it to Sri Narada Muni; and then on to Nimbarka. The Four Kumaras, Sanaka, Sanandana, Sanātana, and Sanat Kumāra, are traditionally regarded as the four mind-born sons of Lord Brahmā.
They were created by Brahmā in order to advance creation, but chose to undertake lifelong vows of celibacy (brahmacarya), becoming renowned yogis, who requested from Brahma the boon of remaining perpetually five years old.[web 1] Śrī Sanat Kumāra Samhitā, a treatise on the worship of Śrī Rādhā Kṛṣṇa, is attributed to the brothers, just like the Śrī Sanat Kumāra Tantra, which is part of the Pancarātra literature.[6]
In the creation of this universe as narrated by the Paurāṇika literature, Śrī Nārada Muni is the younger brother of the Four Kumāras, who took initiation from his older brothers. Their discussions as guru and disciple are recorded in the Upaniṣads with a famous conversation in the Chāndogya Upaniṣad, and in the Śrī Nārada Purāṇa and the Pañcarātra literature.
Nārada Muni is recorded as main teacher in all four of the Vaiṣṇava Sampradāyas. According to tradition, he initiated Śrī Nimbārkācārya into the sacred 18-syllabled Śrī Gopāla Mantra, and introduced him to the philosophy of the Yugala upāsana, the devotional worship of the divine couple Śrī Rādhā Kṛṣṇa. According to tradition, this was the first time that Śrī Rādhā Kṛṣṇa were worshipped together by anyone on earth other than the Gopis of Vṛndāvana.
Śrī Nārada Muni then taught Nimbarka the essence of devotional service in the Śrī Nārada Bhakti Sūtras.[7] Śrī Nimbārkācārya already knew the Vedas, Upaniṣads and the rest of the scriptures, but perfection was found in the teachings of Śrī Nārada Muni.[8]
Traditional accounts
According to the Bhavishya Purana, and his eponymous tradition, the Nimbārka Sampradāya, Śrī Nimbārkāchārya appeared in the year 3096 BCE, when the grandson of Arjuna was on the throne. According to tradition, Nimbārka was born in Vaidūryapattanam, the present-day Mungi Village, Paithan in East Maharashtra.[citation needed] His parents were Aruṇa Ṛṣi and Jayantī Devī. Together, they migrated to Mathurā and settled at what is now known as Nimbagrāma (Neemgaon), situated between Barsānā and Govardhan.
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Accurate biographies are difficult to find, yet authorities agree that Shri Nimbarkacharya preached Krishna consciousness about three-hundred years before the adventure of Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
In Navadwipa Dhama Mahatyam, Shrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that Nimbarka had previously worshiped Lord Shiva in Bilva Paksha, Rudradwipa (Navadwipa). Lord Shiva appeared before Nimbarka instructing him to take initiation from the four Kumaras, who were meditating nearby. Nimbarka received Radha-Krishna mantra and continued living in Navadwipa. Following the teachings of the Sanat-Kumara Samhita, he worshiped Radha and Krishna with great love. Soon Radha and Krishna appeared before Nimbarka. Then the Divine Couple displayed Their unified form as Shri Gauranga Mahaprabhu.
Lord Gauranga said, "Nimbarka, in the future when I begin My sankirtana movement I will personally preach the perfect transcendental philosophy of achintya-bheda-abheda-tattva. I will take the essence of the philosophies of Madhva, Ramanuja, Vishnuswami. From you, Nimbarka, I will take two important principles: (1) The necessity of taking shelter of Shrimati Radharani. (2) The high esteem of the Vraja gopis love for Shri Krishna."
Accurate biographies are difficult to find, yet authorities agree that Shri Nimbarkacharya preached Krishna consciousness about three-hundred years before the adventure of Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
In Navadwipa Dhama Mahatyam, Shrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that Nimbarka had previously worshiped Lord Shiva in Bilva Paksha, Rudradwipa (Navadwipa). Lord Shiva appeared before Nimbarka instructing him to take initiation from the four Kumaras, who were meditating nearby. Nimbarka received Radha-Krishna mantra and continued living in Navadwipa. Following the teachings of the Sanat-Kumara Samhita, he worshiped Radha and Krishna with great love. Soon Radha and Krishna appeared before Nimbarka. Then the Divine Couple displayed Their unified form as Shri Gauranga Mahaprabhu.
Lord Gauranga said, "Nimbarka, in the future when I begin My sankirtana movement I will personally preach the perfect transcendental philosophy of achintya-bheda-abheda-tattva. I will take the essence of the philosophies of Madhva, Ramanuja, Vishnuswami. From you, Nimbarka, I will take two important principles: (1) The necessity of taking shelter of Shrimati Radharani. (2) The high esteem of the Vraja gopis love for Shri Krishna."
Lord Gauranga disappeared after instructing Nimbarka. Shedding tears of ecstasy, Nimbarka left Navadwipa to begin his preaching mission. In Chaitanya lila, Nimbarka appeared as Keshava Kashmiri and received love of Godhead directly from Nimai Pandit.
There are striking similarities between the Gaudiyas and Nimbarkas. The followers of Nimbarka accept the six forms of surrender, practice the nine limbs of bhakti, and believe in the dasa mula (ten cardinal points of Gaudiya philosophy). They also worship Radha and Krishna in Vrindavana. They worship Shrimati Radharani as the topmost Devotee, and they accept the gopis love for Krishna is supreme. With beads, bhajans, and kirtans the Nimbarkas chant their version of the maha-mantra: Radhe Krishna Radhe Krishna Krishna Krishna Radhe.Radhe, Radhe Syama Radhe Syama Syama Syama Radhe Radhe.
In Vrindavana, about one mile from Govardhana, there is the village of Nimgaon, named after Nimbarkacharya, who lived there from childhood and later performed bhajana there. Many of Radha-Krishna's pastime places in Vrindavana are now maintained by the Nimbarka sect. In Mathura-Vrindavana, innumerable Devotees follow Nimbarka's path of bhakti. The Shriji Mandir, just off Loi Bazaar in Vrindavana, serves as the center of Nimbarka sampradaya.
There are striking similarities between the Gaudiyas and Nimbarkas. The followers of Nimbarka accept the six forms of surrender, practice the nine limbs of bhakti, and believe in the dasa mula (ten cardinal points of Gaudiya philosophy). They also worship Radha and Krishna in Vrindavana. They worship Shrimati Radharani as the topmost Devotee, and they accept the gopis love for Krishna is supreme. With beads, bhajans, and kirtans the Nimbarkas chant their version of the maha-mantra: Radhe Krishna Radhe Krishna Krishna Krishna Radhe.Radhe, Radhe Syama Radhe Syama Syama Syama Radhe Radhe.
In Vrindavana, about one mile from Govardhana, there is the village of Nimgaon, named after Nimbarkacharya, who lived there from childhood and later performed bhajana there. Many of Radha-Krishna's pastime places in Vrindavana are now maintained by the Nimbarka sect. In Mathura-Vrindavana, innumerable Devotees follow Nimbarka's path of bhakti. The Shriji Mandir, just off Loi Bazaar in Vrindavana, serves as the center of Nimbarka sampradaya.
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One is called Brahma Sampradaya, and is coming down by disciplic succession from Brahma; another Sampradaya is coming down from Laksmi, called Sri Sampradaya; another is coming down from the Kumaras, they are known as Nimbarka Sampradaya; another Sampradaya is coming from Lord Siva, Rudra Sampradaya or Viṣṇu Svāmī.
Saturday, November 28, 2020
Bhagavan Das (William Erlichman) And ISKCON Child Abuse (pt. 1)
https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/03/bhagavan-das-and-his-daughter-manjari.html
http://www.bhagavanacbsp.com/biography.php?
"Unless we are ordered by Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa's representative, we cannot violate the morality of this world. That is not possible. It is a great philosophy. It requires little brain to understand." - (Srila Prabhupada, May 6th 1973 LA)Bhagavan Das (William Erlichman)
Giving up a medical career in 1969 to establish K.C. in America, nine years later, renouncing family life to enter the sannyas order, were sacrifices he felt at the time were necessary to move forward in spiritual life. He would later come to re-examine these choices and with new insights, redefine himself.[PADA: To become an artificial sannyasa or guru is often described around ISKCON as "making lots of sacrifices." Whereas Srila Prabhupada describes artificial sannyasa and especially false gurus as "cheaters" who are destined for a lower birth. Indeed scripture says these false gurus "are destined for the most obnoxious regions of the universe."
It is not "a sacrifice" to cheat others -- that one is more advanced than one is. Same holds true in the material world. Sometimes it is discovered that some person with no medical degree or training is claiming to be a full fledged PHD surgery doctor, and he is caught performing botched surgeries.
No one thinks this artificial and cheating doctor has "made a lot of sacrifices" to better the world. Rather the false doctor is declared to be a dangerous criminal and he is handed over to the courts for prosecution. The same thing happens in God's justice system, cheaters are known to be criminals, and they have to suffer severe consequences.
This is not "a sacrifice" to move things forward, this process is moving the cheater and everyone of his victims -- backwards. "Cheaters and the cheated -- all go to hell" is Srila Prabhupada's basic take on this. A few of Bhagavan's ex-disciples told PADA that their whole experience with Bhagavan was totally devastating, and they doubt they will ever recover in this lifetime. Basically, his personality cult destroyed lives, and many lives evidently. And his whole program ruined the name of ISKCON and Krishna and thereby blocked millions of people from taking to Krishna consciousness, seeing it as a bizarre cult.
And did we forget to mention his whole zone was devastated when he "blooped out" leaving behind many of his "disciple" dependents in a dire situation, and causing a lot of financial problems for his zone and these devotees, never mind many other problems. Never mind Bhagavan does not seem to ever explain, what exactly is a "blooped guru" in the first place? He just leaves all this mess unresolved. The guru is the successor to God, and then, he bloops?
When Bhakti Tirtha swami got cancer, some of his followers were saying he got sick from taking our karma, and they thought he was making great sacrifices. Nope, we were all told NOT to take karma because we would suffer. Violating the order of guru is not sacrifice, it is deviation. At some point, Bhagavan and others who unauthorizedly took karma from their disciples will have to take responsibility for these sins. And no, they are not as good as Jesus who is qualified to take these sins. They will have to suffer for violating this system. Of course a lot of them already are suffering, if not dead.]
One of the principle waves that began to dislodge the way he saw himself and the society he was an integral part in directing, was the unfolding of perverse physical and mental child abuse that in time began to surface everywhere. As the years passed, it became more and more flagrant, to the point where it had taken root amongst his peers at the highest levels of authority.
[PADA: And where did Bhagavan come out strongly to alert the parents, the police, the FBI, the public media, or anyone else about this issue on a large scale? Is there any record of his making a public objection / alert to this issue? Did he write a public "position paper" about the abuse to alert the ISKCON citizens of the abuse crisis? None that we know of?
Did he make a PADA type web site which exposed the molester infrastructure? Or make leaflets to hand out at Krishna festivals before there was the internet (like we did)? Or help us with a lawsuit once the suicides started, like what we did?
It looks like instead, Bhagavan has been promoting Narayan Maharaja, chief "rasika guru" for the molester messiahs project. Tamal used to say his two favorite people are Narayan Maharaja and (molester webs and nests orchestrator) -- Bhavananda. And then Bhagavan starts to promote the NM program, and gets his daughter to promote that program. Lets promote the biggest cheer leaders of the molester messiahs project?
In sum, Narayan Maharaja was well known to be constantly promoting the leaders of the GBC's molester messiahs project and giving them "rasika classes." Yes, there is banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders going on -- left, right and center, and that program is coming from the "rasika" associates of God?
And NM is the darling "rasika guru" of their group. And NM is criticizing us dissenters as "ritvik poison," because we are protesting his molester messiah's rasika club. How is this helping contain the molesting, when we are saying the leaders of the molesting program are "rasika" level and God's successors aka gurus? The leaders of the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and orchestrated murders project are -- God's "rasika classes" devotees? Even BV Puri said that teaching rasika to these folks is "worse than any sahajiya."
Some other ISKCON leaders also had their children molested, but we won't mention their names herein to embarrass their children. Therefore, various leaders including Bhagavan knew their was a molesting program, yet it seems self evident -- almost none of this was reported to the authorities by these leaders, nor were there big temple meetings being held to alert the parents of this issue etc. "Monkey On A Stick" book authors cited that the GBC are "gutless wonders."
Maybe a few reports were made here and there, but not a coordinated effort, and not to a significant enough degree to really confront the issue. Nor evidently did any leader hold a public istagosthi meeting with the devotees, or a public news media conference etc. to signal an alarm for the citizens of ISKCON. At least none that we heard of, and / or arrange to pull these kids out of that process.
Nor were hardly any perps ever arrested and charged with a crime. "As the years passed it became more flagrant" and that means there was simply one wave of victims on top of the next wave, with little actual administrative oversight to fix the issue. Nor did Bhagavan make his own justice steering committee with his own disciples to investigate the issue and make a report to the GBC, and confront them with the issue, with a threat to go public or make a lawsuit if they did not act, at least none that we ever heard of.]
His departure was a rejection of the current denials of the status quo way of thinking about the pervasive child abuses within ISKCON… and it was indeed a blow to the functionality of the institution as a whole.
[PADA: If rampant child abuse is the "status quo," then someone needs to raise the alarm to help the current victims and prevent further victims. Simply walking away is not fixing these issues. And it is enabling further victimization. When we were addressing this issue with the lawsuit in 1997, no one ever even mentioned Bhagavan's name to us as a person who was trying to address the issue at the time.
The house is on fire, people are dying, so let me -- walk away? How does that solve the crisis? All kinds of GBC folks "resign," but then they do not really come out and explain the bad situation, or come up with a realistic plan to fix it, so it remains "status quo." I walked away, to enable the status quo?
Many victims said there has been "a conspiracy of silence," and that seems to be the case overall. Or worse, a conspiracy to shut down us protesters. We have been harassed by GBC people, Sridhara people, and the Narayan Maharaja people who said for example that we are "offending the dear Tamal tree of Radha." The same "dear virulent tree" -- that has been sprouting the leaves and fruits of their poisonous molesting process all through the society -- using their agents like Bhavananda.]
However, after he left, instead of the focus being on the real issues of child abuse, which many in ISKCON were trying to brush under the rug and even defend against, the focus and mis-information perpetrated, became about his “fall down with a woman” and his failure as a guru and the failure of all the gurus…
[PADA: Bhagavan was not known to be publicly blowing the lid off the corruption in ISKCON, including the molesting, that we know of? His fall down with a woman is simply apparent evidence he was avoiding dealing with the molesting crisis -- and so many other crisis -- on a meaningful basis -- and he was instead taking advantage of some female.
[PADA: Bhagavan was not known to be publicly blowing the lid off the corruption in ISKCON, including the molesting, that we know of? His fall down with a woman is simply apparent evidence he was avoiding dealing with the molesting crisis -- and so many other crisis -- on a meaningful basis -- and he was instead taking advantage of some female.
He and most other leaders were basically avoiding confronting these problems wholesale. Again, Narayan Maharaja was Tamal's biggest defender at the time. Our associates were in Dallas telling Narayan Maharaj -- Tamal is not a guru, and he was angry at our associates.
Meanwhile at that very exact time, the courts were preparing to sue Tamal in Dallas for the molesting. Narayan Maharaj was propping up the leaders of the molester infrastructure -- even Tamal -- the leader of Dallas. Later on Bhagavan's daughter became a huge local promoter of Tamal's bucket boy -- BV Narayan Maharaja. Evidently Bhagavan thought the cheer leaders of the Tamal / Bhavananda regime were some sort of saints, when they are actually persons who helped prop up the molester messiahs regime.
And then NM said the children are just getting karma, as if NM is authorized to hand off children to a molesting cult. And he thinks he is not part of the karma of supporting a criminal regime. Sorry, NM is FULLY implicated. Srila Prabhupada says the supporters are implicated.
The children are "getting their karma" from BV Narayan Maharaja through the regime he is aiding and abetting. And BV Narayan is authorized to assist the molesting guru regime, because he is free of karma? Sorry, no one is authorized to cause children to suffer, and all the adults should have taken action to fix the problem. And saying "this is all karma" is a cop out from taking responsibility.
I was ordered by Jayatirtha to go to France to pick up a baby girl whose mother had left Bhagavan's zone and she fled back to UK to live with her mother. The father then came back and kidnapped the baby and took it back to Bhagavan's zone. So I had to go and rescue the baby girl, and all of this was widely reported in all the public newspapers at the time.
Then the mother made a detailed newspaper account of how terribly women and children were being treated at Bhagavan's farm, while he was living in four star hotels like a Saudi Prince. When I got to the customs gate in UK, they knew that I did not need a passport for the baby girl. They knew right away who the baby was because -- her story was all in the newspapers. "Oh righty then, that is THE BABY."
This is not the way to treat the citizens, plain and simple. Bhagavan also kicked out maybe 20 couples from his zone, with their babies, and they were left stranded at the Paris train station with no money. Jayatirtha had to rescue them as well. They told me they had no diapers and baby food and were left there by Bhagavan because they failed to recognize he is the new messiah on planet earth. Now all of a sudden, he has repackaged himself as the biggest caring devotee, claiming others were heartless. This is why a devotee told me -- there is a denial epidemic in ISKCON.]
For him, these abuses began from the very inception of the gurukula system in Dallas in 1973 and ended with his leaving the movement in 1986, after finding out that even his own children were being abused. He left with a mother who was coping with the fact that her children had also suffered abuse. To this day, he considers these children to be his immediate family.
[PADA: And evidently little was ever reported to the authorities, few perps were arrested, and Bhagavan has been promoting the biggest bucket boy of Tamal and the whole molester regime, BV Narayan Maharaja.]
His son Vaisnava entered the Dallas ‘gurukula’ at the age of three and a half. He returned to France, 3 years later with unsettling stories of children regularly being beaten and made to eat spilled food off the floor; violently awoken early in the morning to attend spiritual programs and forced to fast, to the point that spiritual life was becoming tasteless. Upon returning to New Mayapura, in France he found little relief in the new ashrams, where unqualified ashram teachers perpetrated terrible abuses.
[PADA: So France was little relief, but it was Bhagavan's zone. How was he correcting things on his own territory? Bhagavan evidently did not know about all sorts of problems when I went there. He was living in a four star hotel while there was a huge pile of stinky trash at the temple foyer and the shower was full of dirty water because the plumbing was broken. Krishna lives in the dirty ghetto, Bhagavan lives in a fancy hotel?]
Vaisnava recalled: “When I told my father what Sudarsana was doing - locking us up for days in closets as punishment for minor disobediences, hitting some boys so hard he would break broomsticks over their backs and then later, turn around and perversely try to touch them… he was in shock. He called Sudarsana into his room with us present. After it was apparent that what we were saying was true, in a rage he pushed him against the wall, grabbed his throat, lifted him off the ground and kicked him out of New Mayapura for good.” Unfortunately that was too mild a punishment.
[PADA: Well yes, no criminal charges were made evidently?]
Guru Gauranga: What other incidents came to your attention?
Bhagavān: After Prabhupāda’s departure I was traveling in America with Ramesvara Swami. We met at the Denver temple and it so happened that when we arrived, it came to the surface that the ashrama teacher Chakradara, was abusing the boys terribly. The fathers approached us angered and confused.
I asked myself how had this cannibalistic behavior taken root within our ashrams? I was shocked and disturbed, overall troubled by this level of darkness. I told the fathers to take him into the woods and beat him.
[PADA: But not calling the police and have this perp arrested? And when perps were kicked out of one place, they could move to another ISKCON place. There was no coordinated process of administration of the issue. Nor did Bhagavan make any such program that we know of. So they are cannibals, but no strong action is taken to contain them?]
GG: What went through your mind when you began to hear these stories?
B: For me, shock and disbelief how anyone could get twisted pleasure from the sexual abuse of children - especially from people for whom self-control was supposed to be a way of life. In the beginning it wasn’t something we were on the lookout for. The first knee jerk reaction was to get rid of the symptom by expelling the perpetrators and making them feel some level of pain. Unfortunately, in other places, the incidents along with the perpetrators were minimized or ignored to avoid embarrassing public attention.
[PADA: OK that is what was the real problem, these issues were being swept under the rug, not being prosecuted or made public info to the devotees in istagoshti meetings, and so it was becoming a sort of haven for deviants.]
[PADA: But not calling the police and have this perp arrested? And when perps were kicked out of one place, they could move to another ISKCON place. There was no coordinated process of administration of the issue. Nor did Bhagavan make any such program that we know of. So they are cannibals, but no strong action is taken to contain them?]
GG: What went through your mind when you began to hear these stories?
B: For me, shock and disbelief how anyone could get twisted pleasure from the sexual abuse of children - especially from people for whom self-control was supposed to be a way of life. In the beginning it wasn’t something we were on the lookout for. The first knee jerk reaction was to get rid of the symptom by expelling the perpetrators and making them feel some level of pain. Unfortunately, in other places, the incidents along with the perpetrators were minimized or ignored to avoid embarrassing public attention.
[PADA: OK that is what was the real problem, these issues were being swept under the rug, not being prosecuted or made public info to the devotees in istagoshti meetings, and so it was becoming a sort of haven for deviants.]
In the name of being spiritually advanced and determined, detachment from family life - from affection for wife and children, was a Spartan regime that crippled relationships. Few recognized the denials and dangers in that thinking, which weakened the firewall of a parent’s natural protective powers and left children vulnerable, exposed and subjected to demented caretakers.
We were up in our ideological heads with no feeling or intuition that our own children were in danger. Fear of physical and emotional intimacy provided an opening for un-lovingness to enter. Far from being a gurukula, it was in many cases becoming a cesspool of perversion, spawned by deep-rooted sexual misunderstandings.
[PADA: The leaders were at the head of this "weakened firewall." They should have set the example of taking strong criminal prosecution on any criminal activity, especially regarding children. The parents were weak. Fine, but that is another issue, the leaders are the persons primarily responsible to see to the welfare of the citizens, especially vulnerable citizens like children. Instead the leaders are having affairs (which is a form of child molesting).
[PADA: The leaders were at the head of this "weakened firewall." They should have set the example of taking strong criminal prosecution on any criminal activity, especially regarding children. The parents were weak. Fine, but that is another issue, the leaders are the persons primarily responsible to see to the welfare of the citizens, especially vulnerable citizens like children. Instead the leaders are having affairs (which is a form of child molesting).
Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has sex with a follower it is the same as a father having sex with his daughter. And Bhagavan was part of that regime. People were then worshiping sexual predators as their gurus, which spread the molester beeja all over the society. And Narayan Maharaja was mixing the molester beeeja with conjugal rasika beeja of pure devotees, making a full blown sahajiya molester cult. And he was saying the ritviks are the problem, and they are the main group protesting his molesting messiah's process.
And this is the same type problem we are having with Sanat / Steve Voith. He knew there was a molesting problem and he also did not report it. But it is the duty of all human adults to report and contain that problem, whether they are leaders or peons. That is the duty of all adult humans, whatever their position is. Notice, all of these people, including the GBC cult, Sridhara cult, Narayan cult, Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardan / Krishna Kirtan / HKC Jaipur cults et al. ... all of them opposed PADA? Is there an echo around here? ys pd
ys pd]
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Friday, November 27, 2020
Evangelical Meltdown Epidemic (PADA News)
Srila Prabhupada: Religion without philosophy is fanaticism
[PADA: Not too surprising results here, many people who predicted "God is in favor of our program" self-evidently failed to ask God -- does He actually favor their program. What if God does not favor their program? A lot of these "conservative pastors" are the people who helped create our current government leadership by their dedicated support.
And a number of them are some sort of "White House" advisors or hand maidens of the current "management." Oooops, and they "managed" to have a deadly virus designated as "another hoax" which caused that virus to spread like wildfire all over "God's sacred country." Of course God was not going to allow the virus to become a big problem -- because they are "protected by God." This is seen by many others as an irresponsible if not fanatical idea.
Meanwhile places like S. Korea have had less than 400 virus deaths, and Taiwan, Singapore, Viet Nam, Thailand etc. have also had fewer virus deaths, because they worked hard on their own, and did not "depend on God" to fix their problem. They contained the virus themselves with masks, tests and contact tracing etc. In sum, they did not sit around and wait for God to fix their problem. They acted responsibly and took direct actions themselves, which self-evidently helped them contain the problem.
How many huge empires in the past human history came and went, under the idea that they were protected by God? First of all, we need to be qualified to be protected by God before we can expect Him to intervene. There are also many people in the world who think it is their duty to kill the "unbelievers" because -- God wants them to do that. Just because people think God is protecting their actions, does not guarantee He is.
This "false identification of God's support" phenomena also happened in the Hare Krishna religion. In 1978 eleven leaders were artificially designated as "God's living successors" and those of us who protested were branded as "faithless people who are not supporting God's plan." Unfortunately, God's alleged "eleven living successors on earth" began almost immediately to create illicit sex scandals, and a host of criminal scandals including orchestrated murders. So it is no small problem when people artificially assume God is protecting their program, when self-evidently, He is not.
The upshot of "God's program for the USA" is: more people are now sick and dying; more people lost their jobs and are going to the food bank; the deficit has grown -- actually exploded; China's exports are up ten percent; USA jobs are still being siphoned off to China -- in part because the pandemic is creating a bad atmosphere for manufacturing investment in USA; environmental rules being cut back has been creating more pollution problems -- such as contaminated ground water; and oddly -- Church meetings have become recognized as "superspreader" events where numbers of people have been getting the virus.
So we need to get God's support, that is a great idea. However, we cannot simply artificially designate ourselves as "protected by God" without getting God's approval first of all. All sorts of "religious people" in history thought God was going to protect their nation, but their nation now no longer exists. Read: God was not factually protecting their nation.
I grew up with the evangelicals and was not too happy with a lot of their ideas even when I was a child. Often, they are the nicest people you'd ever want to meet, but with many ideas that may be a little fanatical and impractical.
Main problem: it seems that they have some overall idea that they can assist mass destruction of the environment on planet earth -- and that is because "Jesus is coming real soon." Thus, they are going to be swept up to heaven any day now.
My uncle took me for a ride in his speed boat in the 1950s when I was about ten, and I was shocked to see dead fish floating in Lake Erie. My uncle explained, "That is because the factories are dumping waste into the lake." The attitude is, no big deal, just a few dead fish. Recently, the USA "conservative" president expressed almost the same idea "the radical left -- wants to save a few fish."
And -- just before -- the planet eventually becomes uninhabitable due to gradual environmental decay -- such as: loss of species; global warming; extreme weather; contaminated ground, water and air; harmful chemicals filtering into human's blood stream; global pandemics etc. they will be magically whisked off to heaven when Jesus comes here to pick them up. It will only be us faithless sinners left here to drink the contaminated water. Very convenient!
It also looks like the Evangelical / conservatives have a sort of "scorched earth resources depletion policy," such as chopping down forests, using up oil and coal, fracking for natural gas and so on. Again not a problem since Jesus will fix it.
So when their current "conservative" leaders announced they were going to "revive the coal industry" -- along with cutting regulations for oil and gas fracking, that made me feel like they are not quite getting the message -- that these industries are not only bad for the citizens on the planet now, but for the future citizens of this planet. Never mind that, many animal species also cannot live very well with these by-products. Just like we saw that many fish could not live in parts of Lake Erie in the 1950s.
For starters, the history of coal use is not very pretty, and in places like London it looks like people were complaining it was causing foul air way back in the 1700s. Later there was a large "coal smog" outbreak in London in 1952 that killed thousands, and sickened many thousands more. The evidence is already in -- and for hundreds of years -- coal is not a good industry to promote as the way forward, especially in modern times.
"Reviving coal" might at best produce a small quantity of jobs, but the energy sector offers limited employment opportunities in any event. The main job sector for the USA up to the 1960s has been -- its manufacturing base -- where most of the people had jobs in factories. That economic model started to change as large retail corporations lobbied to have "less restrictions on imports," so they could sell cheaper imported goods. And then the USA's "big box" retail stores began to fill up with more and more imported products, and less and less USA manufactured goods.
Eventually the USA was flooded with cheap imported goods, mostly from China. Nixon was part of "opening up trade" when he visited China. Later on Ronald Reagan wanted to reduce China trade restrictions, and later on Newt Gingrich and his "family values" party wanted a policy of EVEN MORE expanded "free trade with China." And thus China was eventually given the USA's "most favored" trade partner status. Oddly, the people who opened the flood gates for China trade seem to be some sort of hero examples of "conservatism." Fine, if the object is to "conserve, preserve and secure" -- jobs in China.
Part of the reason these large USA retail corporations wanted their goods made in China was -- their lack of environmental regulations. Making products in places that are more "friendly to the environment" simply costs more money to manufacture. Moving manufacturing "off shore" to China was used as a method of bypassing these regulations. China has subsequently tried to tighten up some of these environmental rules, but the damage has already been done. Millions and millions of USA manufacturing jobs have been moved "off shore" to China, and will not come back here soon, or at all. And the damage to the rivers, oceans and planet etc. --- is already upon us.
USA habit of "buying everything from China" means:
USA is funding this industry. There is something called "karma."
Some of my own "conservative" friends have been upset that I have not been helping them promote their "conservative leader" -- who is in favor of reviving coal burning industries and other environmental nightmares from the 1950s. This appears to be the Christian Evangelicals agenda all along, keep up the economy -- at the expense of the environment.
We are the foolish "tree huggers" who are worried about the survival of rare fish, owls, toads and so on. However, once these species are gone, it is permanent. And therefore "Making America Great Again" is going to be accomplished when we -- go back to the 1950s evidently.
According to predictions in India's ancient Vedas, the mass loss of species will be one of the features of the sinful age of "Kali Yuga." The species will diminish and eventually people will start eating other people (cannibalism) as the other species are eliminated one by one. We should not make a government policy that accelerates the decline of these species. Some sci-fi movies have already been made showing dire times ahead as the environment deteriorates, so it is known to be a possible future for the planet.
It does not surprise me that many of these folks are therefore in climate change denial; they are apparently not very concerned about a program that approves pesticides toxic to bees etc.; and they are also anti-FBI, CIA, NSA, WHO; anti-news media; anti-doctors; anti-statistics; anti-information in general. The virus is a hoax. Even if it is not a hoax, it is only killing old people. Who needs old people anyway? Classic denial.
And their famous age old classic line, after the election no one will be talking about the virus. Except after the election the numbers of cases exploded and White House staff and similar others of the "it will disappear after the election" crowd, tested positive. People are "still talking about it" because these leaders failed to take proper action to contain it (like China, Singapore, S. Korea, Viet Nam etc. have reduced their number of cases). They did not act responsibly, and wanted God to take responsibility for their lack of accountability. That is not God's job.
This is all part of the overall "conservative" pattern of allowing environmental problems, including pandemics, to run their course (herd immunity) -- with little restriction because -- Jesus will fix it eventually. All these problems are going to disappear, like magic! "It will disappear soon." Maybe not? Sorry, none of these problems are going to disappear like magic. We are the designated shepherds of the planet, and it we burn it up, we are responsible for the results -- and not God. ys pd
Many people who thought they had
"God on their side"
-- didn't.
Thursday, November 26, 2020
If ISKCON GBCs and GURUS were Uttama Adhikaris (Rakshana das)
If ISKCON GBCs and GURUS were Uttama Adhikaris
These are some things that would occur if the present ISKCON GBCs, gurus, and leaders were bona-fide.1. There would not be 100% complicit silence from GBCs, gurus, and leaders regarding serious crimes and deviations in ISKCON, past and present.
2. The serious accusations by hundreds of alienated Srila Prabhupada disciples (and following generations) voiced during the past 40 years regarding the hijacking of ISKCON by unqualified usurpers would be heard and acted upon.
3. It would never be accepted to change Srila Prabhupada’s pre-78 books in any way, apart from tidying up a little grammar, some spelling, and a couple of editing/proof reading errors.
4. There would be further investigation regarding possible poisoning during the final year or more of Srila Prabhupada’s manifest pastimes.
5. There would be zero tolerance for child abuse or neglect, with criminal perpetrators removed from ISKCON premises and position permanently, and arrested for serious offences.
6. Renunciate gurus and sanyasis would not have private bank accounts, residences, businesses or property portfolios.
7. There would not be mass falldowns from the highest levels of bhakti, as seen with so many so-called gurus and sanyasis in ISKCON. Those remaining in ‘good standing’ would admit the farce.
8. There would not be a mass exodus of 95% of all Srila Prabhpada’s disciples, 95% of disciples of the magnificent 11 (1978-1986), 95% of second and third generation devotees, and the alienation of anyone else who speaks out or asks questions.
9. ISKCON temple programs, services and preaching strategies as encouraged by Srila Prabhupada would not grind to a halt, replaced by modern welfare trends, feel-good seminars and devious financial controllers.
10. All devotees could be working together under the safe and sublime shelter of Srila Prabhupada, instead of forming 100 different guru cults of fawning flatterers, foot washing and flowers.
There are dozens more points that could be made, but I thought to stop at 10 for now. If there is a genuine Uttama Adhikari in our midst, I bow to your feet and pray that I may be of service to you. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and the Vaishnava Acharyas.
Your servant,
Rakshana das
Rakshana das
[PADA: Sign me up! I agree to all the above. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, November 25, 2020
ISKCON Has Been Hijacked (PV Dasa)
PV Dasa:
In 1977, the first 11 Criminal GBC'S Swamis ..... hijacked, tortured, and poisoned the physical body of Srila Prabhupada, seizing his ISKCON Mission and all followers Worldwide, lying that he appointed them as Acaryas / Diksa Gurus!!!
They shot Sulocana Prabhu to death for stealing all the Legal Documents, killed a few others, chased out 5,500 followers, who said NO RE SET CABAL, and helped Bhavananda Swami's program rape and destroy hundreds of gurukula children!!!
The good devotees within Prabhupada's sacred ISKCON must clean up this mess !!! BUT YOU TOO NEED TO HELP !!!
The outside devotees, who were banned or left in disgust or killed (took back birth from them) ......................
Bangalore Temple, IRM , ISKM, and Independent devotees ........ MUST UNITE AND BRING A HIGH COURT CASE for Pre Meditated Fraud for hiding all Prabhupada's Legal Documents and His "Will", thereby mis leading all followers Worldwide!!!
And a conspiracy to murder the physical body of Srila Prabhupada!!! A High Court Injunction must be passed with immediate effect, THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN BE BANNED, BEATEN, SHOT, OR KILLED!!!
This will EMPOWER the Good Devotees WITHIN to take over the leadership!!!
Prabhupada's "hidden words" within His Book Purports, conversations, and the hidden " poison tapes," found 20 years after in 1997 are sufficient for Prabhupada to tell the Judge himself what happened!!!
Prabhupada ............
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Texts 48 and 50 purports !!! .......................
Translation ~~~~~~~~~
In 1977, the first 11 Criminal GBC'S Swamis ..... hijacked, tortured, and poisoned the physical body of Srila Prabhupada, seizing his ISKCON Mission and all followers Worldwide, lying that he appointed them as Acaryas / Diksa Gurus!!!
He left them as representatives, on his behalf!!!
They shot Sulocana Prabhu to death for stealing all the Legal Documents, killed a few others, chased out 5,500 followers, who said NO RE SET CABAL, and helped Bhavananda Swami's program rape and destroy hundreds of gurukula children!!!
He is back at Mayapur presently !!!
** Real prayer is to defend righteousness and defeat EVIL ** !!!
...............................................
...............................................
WARNING WARNING WARNING !!!
The good devotees within Prabhupada's sacred ISKCON must clean up this mess !!! BUT YOU TOO NEED TO HELP !!!
The outside devotees, who were banned or left in disgust or killed (took back birth from them) ......................
Bangalore Temple, IRM , ISKM, and Independent devotees ........ MUST UNITE AND BRING A HIGH COURT CASE for Pre Meditated Fraud for hiding all Prabhupada's Legal Documents and His "Will", thereby mis leading all followers Worldwide!!!
And a conspiracy to murder the physical body of Srila Prabhupada!!! A High Court Injunction must be passed with immediate effect, THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN BE BANNED, BEATEN, SHOT, OR KILLED!!!
This will EMPOWER the Good Devotees WITHIN to take over the leadership!!!
Prabhupada's "hidden words" within His Book Purports, conversations, and the hidden " poison tapes," found 20 years after in 1997 are sufficient for Prabhupada to tell the Judge himself what happened!!!
Prabhupada ............
"People will be so so surprised that so many disciples are here and I am being killed and no one is doing anything "!!!
"My final request is that you please don't torture me and put me to death " !!!
"My final request is that you please don't torture me and put me to death " !!!
Written 1969 .........
Sri Isopanisad (about false gurus and) mantra 12 purport last page!!!
Written 1974 ..........
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Texts 48 and 50 purports !!! .......................
Translation ~~~~~~~~~
Utthistha !!! Utthistha !!!
GET UP!!! GET UP!!!
Sita Ram to Sriman Narendra Modi. Please investigate the crime of the Century!!!
Good morning to President Donald Trump the leader of the free world and most powerful Nation on earth Militarily!!!
Good morning to President Donald Trump the leader of the free world and most powerful Nation on earth Militarily!!!
May at the Lord Jesus Christ blessings be with your good self and family members !!! ** Fraud is Fraud ** !!! It cannot be certified or Legitimized!!!
MARK MY WORDS ~~~~
NOT A BUILDING WILL BURN
NOT A BUILDING WILL BURN
[PADA: Did a good job of conveying the feelings of a lot of people. This is how more and more and more people are gradually understanding the post-1977 history of ISKCON, it is fraud. Unfortunately the independent "outside devotees" are not every organized, so the resistance has been pretty chaotic, to say the least.
Anyway, by Krishna's grace we are still getting more people into the Prabhupadanuga army, so we are making more progress nonetheless. This person will light up another person -- who will light up another person etc. -- and the combined light will make the GBC's cock roach acharyas scurry under the rocks being afraid of the combined light.
Really love this person's enthusiasm! ys pd]
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Srila Prabhupada's Original Books Web Site
https://sites.google.com/view/firsteditionoriginals/
[PADA: There are a growing number of "original books web sites," but not all of the books on all of these sites are actual originals. If someone is doing research on these various sites, and can tell us which sites have originals -- and which are not, we would appreciate the help.
It would also be helpful if we knew which books on these sites are original and which are not, and we had some sort of list of which are not originals for each site. Then the site owners could be alerted and update their materials. Overall, any attempt in this regard is a good effort because it alerts people to beware of changed books.
We are confident most site owners are sincere and they will try to update to originals if we help them get that organized. Any help is this regard can be sent to angel108b@yahoo.com. And we will then post the lists here on this page. ys pd]
Monday, November 23, 2020
About Krishna's Gopastami
Gopastami occurs on the eighth day of the bright fortnight in the month of Karttika. On this day, as Krsna entered the pauganda age and he was initiated as a cowherd. Normally, the pauganda age begins as a child enters his sixth year. Five years are allotted for youth (kumara), five years for boyhood (pauganda), and on the eleventh year adolescence begins (kisore).
However, Krsna, being an extraordinary child in every way, passed through these ages quickly such that by the time he was seven he had entered adolescence. Even in ordinary human society we find that some children are mature for their age, and Krsna was such that he was one and one half times as mature as his actual age. At four, he was six years in terms of maturity.
The first hint of Krsna's maturity is given in the Bhagavatam, wherein Sukadeva tells Maharaja Pariksit that Krsna began crawling very soon after Gargamuni performed the name giving ceremony for Nanda's sons, Krsna and Balarama. At this time, Krsna was only a few months old, yet he began crawling about,
"kalena vrajatalpena gokule rama kesavau janubhyam saha panibhyam ringamanau vijahratuh."
Soon thereafter he very quickly began walking. Sukadeva Goswami said,
kalenalpena rajarse ramah krsnas ca gokule aghrsta-janubhih padbhir vicakramamatur anjasa: “Within a very short time (kalenalpena) both Balarama and Krsna while still in Gokula very easily began walking on their legs without having to crawl.”
Soon after Krsna began walking, it was decided by the elders that the community of cowherds should move to Vrindavana, vanam vrndavanam nama. . .tat tatradyaiva yasyamah.
Once in Vrindavana Krsna soon developed the desire to herd the calves. Before he was initiated into cowherding, he was initiated into calf herding. This is first mentioned in the Bhagavata in connection with Krsna's killing Vatsasura,
sva kalena vatsa-palau babhuvatuh.
At this time Krsna had left his mother's breast and his curiosity increased. He was in the final portion of infancy, sesa kumara. When Nanda Maharaja would go to the forest to herd cows, Krsna would go along with him. They would play at cowherding themselves, and when this news reached Yasoda, she chastised Nanda Baba, thinking her son to be too young to be grabbing the horns of bulls and cows. Her motherly affection did not allow her to see that Krsna was actually growing literally and growing within in terms of his dharma or nature.
Sunday, November 22, 2020
Sanat / Stephen Voith / Writes About PADA
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020, 11:33:37 AM PST
Subject: Re: krishna1008: Gadai Das "Deathbed Confession"?
Subject: Re: krishna1008: Gadai Das "Deathbed Confession"?
https://www.govindagoshala.org/
What’s becoming evident is that Puranjan is somehow connected to the baseless charges of murder (against Gadai), because no one in this area was able to find and contact Gadai since he was moved clandestinely from his original care facility for the purpose of asking Gadai if he had made the bizarre confession - or IF INDEED HE WAS EVEN AWARE that the news was claiming he had made such confession before “law enfarcement authorities.”
What’s becoming evident is that Puranjan is somehow connected to the baseless charges of murder (against Gadai), because no one in this area was able to find and contact Gadai since he was moved clandestinely from his original care facility for the purpose of asking Gadai if he had made the bizarre confession - or IF INDEED HE WAS EVEN AWARE that the news was claiming he had made such confession before “law enfarcement authorities.”
[PADA: That is why I said -- IF -- this confession is true. I do not know any other details because Gadai never discussed this with me. He may have confessed or maybe not, however generally law enforcement does not just make up these type of "confessions" for no reason. Generally they rely on testimony that only the perp would know -- before identifying a clear suspect.
For starters, the police are reluctant to name the wrong person for any crime, because that means the real culprit goes free. If law enforcement said Gadai confessed, I assume that is correct, but have no way of validating this info one way or the other.
My experience with law enforcement is that they are honest people, at least for the most part. However as we see below, Sanat himself later on says he has doubts, and in fact Gadai may have "possibly" committed the murder crime -- which is what PADA said, it is possible. Nor are confessions like this bizarre. It is somewhat common for people on their death beds to admit to affairs, crimes -- or similar events -- since they want to clear off their conscience. Hence the term, death bed confession.]
SD: Why would the authorities move him to an unknown place unless there was need to keep him out of range of those concerned about him (including my wife and local Angelica friends)? (And how is it that puranjan is so much in the know about Gadai even having passed on when not one person in the county knows? Unless Puranjan is part of a conspiracy against Gadai - which is plausible considering by his own admission puranjan had made (false) statements to “the authorities” in Angelica way back when, about our family.
[PADA: Gadai said to me he was avoiding Sanat because he was causing trouble everywhere, and he did not want to be associated with Sanat. Gadai could very well have not "disclosed his location" to Sanat, to avoid the trouble he brings along. And if Gadai was now the chief suspect in a murder case, the police may have placed him in a clandestine location themselves, so they could keep track of him, also common practice with law enforcement. The police at one point wanted to move me to a clandestine location after Sulochan was murdered. It is what they do.
Gadai said Sanat was making it impossible for Krishna devotees to live in Angelica, because he was acting badly while advertising as a devotee. Gadai said this is exactly what the GBC gurus are doing -- and there is very little difference between the arrogant and crazy GBC -- and arrogant and crazy Sanat. Identical behavior, except the GBC are the bigger actors and Sanat is their wanna-be.
And in the late 1990s Sanat (Steve Voith) wrote to the New York Times, Dallas courts etc. that he wanted to have ISKCON's children "killed in a bloodbath in Dallas," and Srila Prabhupada's children need to be "killed, chopped up and fed to dogs." I was notified of his death threats to the molesting victims by some of the law enforcement authorities in Dallas, and so I simply forwarded and re-reported these threats to the Angelica police.
The Angelica police thus knew that Sanat was making these death threats against child molesting victims, and law enforcement folks in general agree that these type of threats against child molesting victims is all about -- defending the perps or the entire molesting project. Law enforcement told me these Sanat types are "the enforcers" for the child molesting cults, and it is common that children victims get Sanat style violence threats in molester cults -- again, from these molester cult "enforcers" like Sanat.
Sanat has been perhaps one of the biggest death threateners to the ISKCON molesting victims on record, telling them to be quiet so he could cover up for his child molesting guru program. Again, Sanat's type of threats to victims is very typical of child raping and molesting cults everywhere, they make death threats against the victims. Common practice.
Some of the molesting victims have told me they would like to ***** Sanat up the ***** with a *****, but hey lets just say he is not popular with a number of victims since Sanat was cheering on their suicides.
So Sanat self-evidently wanted to silence the victims with his threats, to defend his anus busting guru program, which even various law enforcement agree is the real reason victims get these threats. He is threatening the molested children to defend the perps and their regime. And then Mukunda UK / Prahlad das UK / HKC Jaipur folks / Bhakta Peter etc. joined in to defend Sanat. Of course Sanat is also doing the happy dance when the victims commit suicide, silence em' that way too!
What kind of people are doing the happy dance when children commit suicide, and die? Then we wonder why there are so many problems around ISKCON?
If people want to have molested children killed, chopped up and fed to dogs to silence them, those people are generally referred to as -- the assistant hand maidens to the molesters and perps. So the Angelica police told me, no problem, this Steve Voith guy is ALREADY well known as the town's a**hole biggest trouble maker. And we ALREADY have to keep an eye him.
Already!
We will now just double down on looking after him. So the Angelica police have to baby sit this guy who is always running around town acting like he owns the place, and they have to deal with his childish tossing tantrums. The police were not in the least surprised he was saying he wanted to have molested children chopped up and fed to dogs, and I sent the Angelica police a copy of Sanat's death threat writings -- so they probably still have it there on file (and may have given a copy to cops in his new location).]
SD: If the excuse is given (for moving Gadai into an incommunicado location) was ‘because he was too ill,’ then why was Gadai not too ill to have discussions with law enforcement ?! Anyway something is rotten in denmark here. Puranjan clearly know or knew about Gadai’s “confession” early on; therefore he is complicit in any untoward action that may have been committed to cause Gadai to die untimely.
If pada knew he died then pada knew he confessed. Then he would have found out it was made up - just to frame Gadai David Sherk for a crime that local law enforcement KNEW HAD BEEN PERPETRATED by someone else.
So puranjan is promoting a falsehood. Which he knows is false. (We don’t know even for sure WHEN Gadai passed away, because he was hidden away; so but puranjan ‘knows’ therefore puranjan is part of some strange conspiracy here. And likely being paid to promote this false narrative.
None of it adds up. Especially PADA today making his PREDICTABLE im not a thief statement: ‘Reaaly guys, I JUST TODAY FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME HERD ABOUT THIS FLOSSIE THING, honest injuns pillgrims !!!’
[PADA: Where is the proof I knew about this earlier? This is all speculation. Again, Gadai told me he was trying to stay aloof from Sanat, no surprise he did not want Sanat to know his location. And if the police thought he was their prime suspect, the police may have moved him to a clandestine location themselves, to keep tabs on him. This happens all the time with the police, they move suspects to clandestine locations, such as a prison hospital. Happens every day. I really do not read Sanat's rants -- except maybe once in a few years -- so I have no way of knowing what he is reporting or not.]
SD: Liar liar pants on fire!! Riiiiight, puranjan didn’t know this for 35 years, although every devotee in this area knew it, uh huh. I was born at night but it wasn’t last night. PADA knew all the goings on in Angelica and was aware of this as well. How is it NOT ONE person in allegany county could figure out where Gadai had been moved to, and were shocked when i informed them yesterday of padas revelation about Gadai’s passing ?!???!! But puranjan in California got inside information of this event ?!???!!?
None of it adds up. Especially PADA today making his PREDICTABLE im not a thief statement: ‘Reaaly guys, I JUST TODAY FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME HERD ABOUT THIS FLOSSIE THING, honest injuns pillgrims !!!’
[PADA: Where is the proof I knew about this earlier? This is all speculation. Again, Gadai told me he was trying to stay aloof from Sanat, no surprise he did not want Sanat to know his location. And if the police thought he was their prime suspect, the police may have moved him to a clandestine location themselves, to keep tabs on him. This happens all the time with the police, they move suspects to clandestine locations, such as a prison hospital. Happens every day. I really do not read Sanat's rants -- except maybe once in a few years -- so I have no way of knowing what he is reporting or not.]
SD: Liar liar pants on fire!! Riiiiight, puranjan didn’t know this for 35 years, although every devotee in this area knew it, uh huh. I was born at night but it wasn’t last night. PADA knew all the goings on in Angelica and was aware of this as well. How is it NOT ONE person in allegany county could figure out where Gadai had been moved to, and were shocked when i informed them yesterday of padas revelation about Gadai’s passing ?!???!! But puranjan in California got inside information of this event ?!???!!?
[PADA: Well we sometimes get fresh news, old news, wrong news, or no news. An associate of Gadai told an associate of mine of his departure, so this was all third hand, which is how a number of our stories come out. I have no control over how and when we get information. Not one Sanat crew person knew where Gadai was, that means his plan to stay aloof from Sanat was working. Or it means the police did a good job of keeping their suspect under wraps. This has nothing to do with PADA?]
SD: Very mysterious indeed !! I ain’t buying it !!! If pada is in touch with Gadai’s relatives then clearly they would have reported Gadai’s death to the news and there would be an announcement in the press, which there is not.
[PADA: I am not in touch with his relatives and have no idea who they are, or where they are. And I was barely in touch with Gadai. He would write me a few times in a year, often some very short message or something like that, he was not in regular touch with me the whole time. He did say he liked my work, other than that, I really did not know much about his situation. He was not a great communicator according to, himself. He agreed with the ritvik idea, but that does not guarantee he either is -- or is not -- a saint.]
SD: To lie that he wasn’t aware of the flossie incident is incredible. Especially because I’ve been explaining this online for two years. How did he suddenly find this out - and how’d he know about Gadai’s passing but not this, until today ?!
Pada knew our every movement in Angelica for years because he was in constant contact with Gadai and several others. He knew things before i did. This is the very definition of sinister. Sinister motives. Twisting truth for a tamasic purpose.
Defame our legitimate struggle to follow Prabhupada’s order of protecting cows at any cost; demonizing it as “criminal” while pretending his “friend” Gadai - who’d already in 1986 been incarcerated for six months for shoplifting - and his possible involvement in Flossie’s murder, was “a good devotee and friend.” Never mentioning it, but using Gadai to put road blocks at every turn to our beneficient activities.
[PADA: OK but now you are saying Gadai has a criminal record and may have been "possibly involved in the murder"? So that means you are agreeing with law enforcement, after you just said this was a conspiracy against Gadai?
SD: To lie that he wasn’t aware of the flossie incident is incredible. Especially because I’ve been explaining this online for two years. How did he suddenly find this out - and how’d he know about Gadai’s passing but not this, until today ?!
Pada knew our every movement in Angelica for years because he was in constant contact with Gadai and several others. He knew things before i did. This is the very definition of sinister. Sinister motives. Twisting truth for a tamasic purpose.
Defame our legitimate struggle to follow Prabhupada’s order of protecting cows at any cost; demonizing it as “criminal” while pretending his “friend” Gadai - who’d already in 1986 been incarcerated for six months for shoplifting - and his possible involvement in Flossie’s murder, was “a good devotee and friend.” Never mentioning it, but using Gadai to put road blocks at every turn to our beneficient activities.
[PADA: OK but now you are saying Gadai has a criminal record and may have been "possibly involved in the murder"? So that means you are agreeing with law enforcement, after you just said this was a conspiracy against Gadai?
We find out all kinds of things about all kinds of devotees, often after the fact, after some time, but we have no way of regulating how and when we will find things out. I found out for example that one of my ex-senior God brothers -- whom I had previously trusted a lot some decades ago -- had been arrested for possessing child porn, but only because by chance someone sent me a newsclip from India. Thus, I know some things sometimes, but not everything all the time, and it would be silly to assume I know everything all the time, that would make me the supersoul.]
SD: I don’t even believe Gadai was involved in the murder, though there are some doubts.
SD: I don’t even believe Gadai was involved in the murder, though there are some doubts.
[PADA: OK but you said he had a criminal record and may possibly have been involved in the murder? Now you don't believe he was involved, after just saying he may have been? You are arguing with your own shadow.
I have doubts about all sorts of things. That is what I said basically - IF he is involved. I cannot say for sure, because I am not a mind reader or mystical seer. However! It is not normal for law enforcement to target a false suspect without good cause, that covers for the real suspect and ruins their investigation.
Gadai maybe told them details of the crime that only the perp would know. And that is why they have been marking -- the case is solved. They would not say they had good cause that he is the suspect without corroborating evidence of some sort. Most likely Gadai had facts that only the culprit would know, that is generally how they decide these "admission" cases.]
SD: Pada knew all this all along but for his own political agenda of suppressing Prabhupada’s program here - mainly because of his grudge that I criticized his windle turkey project - he tried his best to destroy our Prabhupada created initiatives and used his friends towards this demonic end.
[PADA: But Windle Turley wanted to save the ISKCON children who were committing suicide, while at the same time Steve Voith wrote to me angrily "well how many are dead, huh, huh, huh?" Sanat clearly wanted MORE of the victims to die, because he complained -- not enough had died already. How many kids have we tossed into the wood chipper, well who cares -- not enough yet!
And Sanat was really infuriated that hundreds of ISKCON kids were being pulled out of GBC schools thanks to the lawsuit alerting the parents. Why does Sanat want five years old children to worship a pedophile guru cult and stay in their "guru-schools"? And he is angry, that children are not worshiping his favorite pedophile guru cults?
OK! Sanat wants children to worship pedophile guru cults, and then he claims he wants to help children? Yes, he wants to help children worship pedophiles as their gurus and he is incensed when that worship is stopped or suppressed. And then Prahlad says, he is on the side of Sanat. And Bhakta Peter says, these guys love children! Really?
The children need to worship illicit sex with men, women and children guru cults, and stay in that process? Why does Sanat want little children to worship the GBC's dead homosexual pedophiles in samadhis process -- at all? And what is the difference between Sanat and his pals and the GBC?
OK Sanat is not worried that SOME (not enough) children are dying under his army tank treads, he is just worried that his army tank is getting children's blood on it. Windle Turley does not want ANY ISKCON children to be dead, never mind asking "how many are dead" before he is going to try to help. Yep, the fire department was going to come and put out the hotel fire, but not enough are dead yet, we will come after there is a larger percent body count.
What percent of dead victims is enough? They never tell us?
And! Who thinks like that? Not enough dead children yet?
Molester club lovers, whom else?
Not enough victims are dead, let us wait until our tank treads have more dead child carcasses built up, then we will do something. And what are you Sanat guys going to do to help these kids? You are going to go to the SSI office and tell them you are crazy because you are a Hare Krishna. So you can get SSI payments, like Sanat did. How is that helping anything?
That is giving Krishna a bad name at the SSI. Being a Hare Krishna makes a person go crazy, and that is what we go and preach to people at the SSI? Like their program is doing? That is HARMING the name of Krishna, big time! And then your "best friend" Mukunda is writing the life stories of Hitler's SS officers, and that is really helping Krishna's name?
And! How many children have to die before a company recalls a faulty baby seat? Even one death is considered as too many. Any normal person is not doing "a body count" when it comes to children who are dying. "Well sure SOME are dying, but NOT TOO MANY"? And that is simply not going to work, the baby seat company will be called murderous deviants if there is not a recall after ONE untimely death.
That is also what the GBC guru program people told me all along "not too many kids are molested and dead." Swell! We have to break free of this cult idea that we can toss "only a few children" into a wood chipper and that is an acceptable amount. NO CHILDREN, not even one, should EVER be tossed into a wood chipper. EVER! NEVER!
Yes, Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das / HKC Jaipur et al., they were thinking evidently NOT TOO MANY CHILDREN are going into our nice children's wood chipper machine, so lets rev up the chipper engine and toss "a few more" kids in there! Windle Turley said NO KIDS should go into their wood chipper. At least he understands we cannot toss little children into a wood chipper, and destroy their lives thereby?]
SD: Gadai supported this unfortunate attack and now Gadai was also wrongly accused of the flossie disappearance. Krishna karma.
[PADA: You just said you do not know if he is wrongly accused? He may be wrongly accused, but if he made a confession, he accused himself? It is possible he admits to a crime he did not commit, who can say for sure. It looks like he confessed -- and there was some supporting testimony that only the perp would know -- so we have to run with what we do know.
Gadai told me that after Sanat was saying he wanted to "kick in the teeth" of Srila Prabhupada's children, he and Sanat were operating a big mechanical post hole digger. And the machine snapped up and hit Sanat in the face, crushing in his face. Gadai thought Sanat was dead.
Gadai said Sanat's head had to be surgically glued back together and have pins all over to keep his face from compacting again. Gadai told me, "Just see, Sanat wants to have Srila Prabhupada's children die in a bloodbath, be beaten, kicked in the teeth, and basically killed and chopped up, so Sanat himself gets beaten, kicked in the teeth, and chopped up in surgery. Krishna gave him the same treatment he wanted to give to Krishna's children." So yes, Gadai was telling me how he believes Krishna sorted out Sanat's karma.]
SD: Pada stated he is also soon to be departing, but perhaps not - perhaps he will get the aswattama curse and remain alive long time for his grievous offenses against Prabhupada’s ongoing cow protection program.
[PADA: Yes, the police read some of the threats I get, or that Sanat sends to children that he wants to have them chopped up and fed them to dogs, and they ask me: "How come the Hare Krishna's will not eat a cow, but they want to eat you for dinner? They are clearly blood thirsty people, they want your blood, or even children's blood baths in Dallas, and badly. They are after human's blood while crying about cow's blood. Hypocrites."
And then, how can I preach to the police after having to show them all these threats I am getting? These Sanat guys are making my preaching hard as they possibly can.
Let us not forget that Sanat's wife Linda Voith told me she was a teacher in Satsvarupa's gurukula where ALL of the kids were molested. Did they go to the police and report Satsvarupa, or ISKCON, or the perp, or anything to anyone? They told me -- nope. Sanat and his wife -- did nothing, as they told me themselves.
Same thing, they only told me years after the fact. They did not make a big show and tell to the other parents that we know of either. So they criticize I knew things -- and did not say anything, but I was an outsider and was only finding out third, fourth, fifth, tenth hand info.
They were right there in the GBC gurukula scheme at the scene of the crime. The duty of reporting the crime is primarily in the hands of the "on the scene" witnesses, not someone third or tenth hand removed like me. They should have taken down the molester messiahs program themselves, and they could have as the on the scene participants.
Nope, they waited until Windle Turley had to do something while their silence was technically and literally killing children. Now they are angry, their lack of reporting was literally killing kids by suicide, and someone had to put an end to their glorious peodphile guru loving party? So this is what we are dealing with folks, and it is a very sad day when we have to report that allowing children to get molested and die from suicide is NOT what a Krishna devotee should be doing.
Windle Turley never would have been involved if devotees like Sanat and his wife had done their job to protect these ISKCON children. They failed, and now they are blaming the people who have had to try to fix the mess they left behind. They pumped in a ton of stinking poop into the ISKCON house, then started to attack the plumbers when the plumbers were called in to fix their poopy mess.
ys pd]
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